Open 627: Mexican Standoff [endgame]

[Xtoxm]

so chilled

who are we shanking

[chilledtea]

Davesaz is the cop? Yes? I am assuming so.

All right. Xtoxm (killed) almost50 last night and (roleblocked) davesaz. (Night 2)

Acryon didn't go anywhere. (Night 1)

There are roleblockers in this game in both the scum factions and a roleblocker can both kill and block different targets on the same night. So acryon is not necessarily innocent, but I only became aware of it last night. After all the scum knew there was a tracker the moment bodyguard claimed - they all had a roleblocker amongst them. So I am pretty sure both the werewolves and mafia used their roleblockers to do the kills as well a block.

This is the reason why I considered acryon innocent throughout day 2. It is possible he is simple mafia goon or werewolf.

[chilledtea]

It is also possible that it wasn't xtoxm's intention to kill almost50 - he might have targeted someone else who was BG'ed by almost50.

I am not sure how the mod handles all that.

[davesaz]

You tracked xtoxm, and got that he visited both me and Almost50? Or only that he visisted me?

[chilledtea]

He visited both you and almost50.

[davesaz]

That implies that his action was a kill, unless he's allowed to perform both actions. Most of the time the answer is no, but it's worthwhile to ask.

@mod: Can the same mafia/ww RB submit both the kill and their RB?

It matters because we're better off lynching the roleblocker than the goon. We can take our time to think that through, though if we have one for certain and don't have a strong read on who the other is, it's better to take the one we know about. I think we're best off figuring out as much as we can before ending day.

[chilledtea]

Oh, so you think almost50 targeted you. That is possible I guess.

I don't think that happened though. I think xtoxm is the roleblocker.

[chilledtea]

Also, I wanted to say one more thing - Kain Tepes has a tendency of automatically voting some person. During LYLO or even without LYLO, this may lead to "accidental" lynching especially if the scum have daychat.

[davesaz]

It should be clear already since I didn't get any strong town reads or guilties, but I was RB'd both nights.

We'll need the mod's answer on whether the same player can RB and kill in one night. I have a pretty strong opinion on what that would mean but it can wait till postgame.

[pisskop]

@mod: Can the same mafia/ww RB submit both the kill and their RB?

Yes

[KainTepes]

I WANT TO VOTE

[Xtoxm]

haha you played that cute

ok wolves listen up

we'll be killing chilled tonight

you guys take care of dave one way or another

anyone wanna discuss anything or shall we get on with it?

[chilledtea]

Admirable.

[chilledtea]

If I do get taken out, just remember that imo acryon is scum. Take special care regarding him and don't consider him confirmed town or anything because he didn't go anywhere. He could be sidekick of xtoxm.

And anen + Ranger is possibly the second team.

[Burning Crystal]

VOTE: Xtoxm

I think these last few posts speak for themselves.

[chilledtea]

Oh yeah, right.

VOTE: xtoxm

Also if you want last minute discussions, do it.

[Burning Crystal]

Chilled, can you case Acryon? I was hard town reading him and Xtoxm and Xtoxm was wrong, so I could use a little direction.

[chilledtea]

I will try. Acryon was pretty town until the end of day 1 where he gave a pretty null reason to vote for Kop. I will see what I can find.

[chilledtea]

Although town, keep an open mind. Which goes without saying.

[chilledtea]

Chilled, can you case Acryon? I was hard town reading him and Xtoxm and Xtoxm was wrong, so I could use a little direction.

If you were town reading xtoxm and acryon, that means you were scum reading Ranger?

[Burning Crystal]

Yes, by PoE when we got to 4 person setup. I was scumreading you too by the same method though so *shrug*. We know based on Xtoxm's response to you, that my reads are uber wrong.

My next steps tomorrow will be VCA and then a full on reread.

[chilledtea]

Yes, by PoE when we got to 4 person setup. I was scumreading you too by the same method though so *shrug*. We know based on Xtoxm's response to you, that my reads are uber wrong.

My next steps tomorrow will be VCA and then a full on reread.

You always knew that we are in setup 12. You always made that assumption. To you there were either 4 townies or 5 at most and you never believed that we have a PGO. So that means you should have been believing in 4 townie setup at the start of the day. Which means you should have been scum reading ranger, if you were town reading xtoxm and acryon.

[Burning Crystal]

Yes, by PoE when we got to 4 person setup. I was scumreading you too by the same method though so *shrug*. We know based on Xtoxm's response to you, that my reads are uber wrong.

My next steps tomorrow will be VCA and then a full on reread.

You always knew that we are in setup 12. You always made that assumption. To you there were either 4 townies or 5 at most and you never believed that we have a PGO. So that means you should have been believing in 4 townie setup at the start of the day. Which means you should have been scum reading ranger, if you were town reading xtoxm and acryon.

Yes, that's what I just said... *shrug* English is hard.

[pisskop]

bippity

[pisskop]

boppity