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Post Post #2250 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:42 pm

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In post 2248, DiamondSentinel wrote:
In post 2246, Brian Skies wrote:I'm not playing LG.

Lawful Good is great if A. You have people (coughkarlcoughnotwocough) who make your LG life hell or B. Helpless people to protect.

It's not really worth being LG unless your party is like minded. I find Hana to be a godsend in this respect, but Who and Conman are very problematic.
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Post Post #2251 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:45 pm

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Screw BAB, DS. You get to use the wizard spell list if you go sorcerer (or wizard).
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Post Post #2252 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:48 pm

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In post 2251, FakeGod wrote:Screw BAB, DS. You get to use the wizard spell list if you go sorcerer (or wizard).

But then what's the point in swiftblade?
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If I were just going for the spell list, I'd say screw swiftblade, and use haste to pump out 2 spells per turn.
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Post Post #2254 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 2:50 pm

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ugh I dunno man

just play whatever I guess
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I'm sorry I'm a picky customer. :P
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Post Post #2256 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:08 pm

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In post 2253, DiamondSentinel wrote:If I were just going for the spell list, I'd say screw swiftblade, and use haste to pump out 2 spells per turn.

You can't, that's 3.0.
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Post Post #2257 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:10 pm

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Brian, if you are going wizard, which school are you going to specialize and ban? (or are you going generalist?)
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Post Post #2258 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:10 pm

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In post 2256, Who wrote:
In post 2253, DiamondSentinel wrote:If I were just going for the spell list, I'd say screw swiftblade, and use haste to pump out 2 spells per turn.

You can't, that's 3.0.

If it's a casting time of 1 standard action, I should be able to...
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Post Post #2259 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:11 pm

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In post 2257, FakeGod wrote:Brian, if you are going wizard, which school are you going to specialize and ban? (or are you going generalist?)

I haven't thought about it since I literally only considered Wizard/Sorcerer after seeing the new party composition.
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Post Post #2260 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:14 pm

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In post 2259, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2257, FakeGod wrote:Brian, if you are going wizard, which school are you going to specialize and ban? (or are you going generalist?)

I haven't thought about it since I literally only considered Wizard/Sorcerer after seeing the new party composition.

Transmutation honestly seems like the best to specialize in, even if you are using different school mainly, or possibly conjugation/abjuration. Support spells, teleport, or shield spells seem like the ones you'd need extra slots for, but I don't see a point in knowing tons of conjugation/abjuration spells, and there are so many transmutation ones to know.
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Post Post #2261 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:14 pm

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If Hana is serious about Warmage, I'd probably ban Evocation and one or two of Necromancy/Enchantment. Abjurant Champion also seems pretty cool, but has high requirements.
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Post Post #2262 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:15 pm

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Why enchantment? Its not worth specializing in, but it's useful at higher levels when you can force people to fight amongst themselves.
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Post Post #2264 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:17 pm

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DS, haste doesn't let you cast two standard action spells in one turn.

But, if you have 9 levels in swiftblade, you get
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Post Post #2265 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:17 pm

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I don't know much about enchantment. But I think it's pros and cons are similar to those of a beguiler (albeit much less exaggerated). I haven't really looked at the spell lists, so it's hard for me to make that decision.
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Post Post #2266 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:19 pm

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In post 2260, DiamondSentinel wrote:Transmutation honestly seems like the best to specialize in, even if you are using different school mainly

I like the idea of Transmutation, but I feel like it's something a Cleric can do (and Clerics get full plate armor).
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Post Post #2267 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:21 pm

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In post 2258, DiamondSentinel wrote:
In post 2256, Who wrote:
In post 2253, DiamondSentinel wrote:If I were just going for the spell list, I'd say screw swiftblade, and use haste to pump out 2 spells per turn.

You can't, that's 3.0.

If it's a casting time of 1 standard action, I should be able to...

Haste doesn't give you an extra action. It does if you go into swiftblade, at like 8th level or something, but ordinarily all it does is give you an extra attack if you full attack.
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Post Post #2268 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:24 pm

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In post 2264, FakeGod wrote:DS, haste doesn't let you cast two standard action spells in one turn.

But, if you have 9 levels in swiftblade, you get
perpetual options
if you're under haste, which actually grants you an additional standard action if you wish, which you could use to cast a second standard action spell.


Ah, ok. Neat. Still 9 levels before I get use out of it for spell casting.

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In post 2260, DiamondSentinel wrote:Transmutation honestly seems like the best to specialize in, even if you are using different school mainly

I like the idea of Transmutation, but I feel like it's something a Cleric can do (and Clerics get full plate armor).


I prefer to leave clerics for healing and abjuration. Although, I am used to 5e where transmuters got awesome perks if they were wizards.

PEdit: Ok yeah, now I see. I've only thought about haste for swiftblade so I forgot that it was perpetual options that did that instead of just haste itself.
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Post Post #2269 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:25 pm

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Cause I remember seeing that and being like "Aww hell yeah that is amazing"

And then spring attack as a bonus feat is cool.

SCREW YOU DUSKBLADE FOR NO HASTE SPELL

Is there any way I can learn spells of another class? Maybe I could get a bunch of haste scrolls... I dunno.
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Post Post #2270 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:26 pm

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In post 2266, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 2260, DiamondSentinel wrote:Transmutation honestly seems like the best to specialize in, even if you are using different school mainly

I like the idea of Transmutation, but I feel like it's something a Cleric can do (and Clerics get full plate armor).

Clerics don't get the good buffs. They don't get haste, they don't get enlarge person, they don't get the good stuff.
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In post 2257, FakeGod wrote:Brian, if you are going wizard, which school are you going to specialize and ban? (or are you going generalist?)

I haven't thought about it since I literally only considered Wizard/Sorcerer after seeing the new party composition.

Transmutation honestly seems like the best to specialize in, even if you are using different school mainly, or possibly conjugation/abjuration. Support spells, teleport, or shield spells seem like the ones you'd need extra slots for, but I don't see a point in knowing tons of conjugation/abjuration spells, and there are so many transmutation ones to know.

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Post Post #2271 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:28 pm

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If I could get a few assorted spells from transmutation, that'd be great. Regular fly, Enlarge/Reduce, Haste, etc.

PEdit: That was the only one I could think of, besides maybe dimdoor.
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Post Post #2272 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:33 pm

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Abrupt jaunt is a class feature only available to conjurers. I think it's good enough to merit a specialization in conjuration.
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Post Post #2273 (ISO) » Sat Mar 26, 2016 3:39 pm

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In post 2270, Who wrote:Clerics don't get the good buffs. They don't get haste, they don't get enlarge person, they don't get the good stuff.

They won't get haste in FG's campaign, but getting Magic Domain allows them to cast Wizard spells at half their Cleric level.
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What do the other class features available?
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