Shaman Mafia [Endgame]

Brian Skies · Mon Feb 15, 2016 6:00 pm

And Toog also got two threads apparently? So just TTH and Spiffeh get split up?

Brian Skies · Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:30 pm

Vote: TellTaleHeart

Brian Skies · Mon Feb 15, 2016 8:34 pm

Supposedly she was waiting for a smaller pool of players.

Brian Skies · Tue Feb 16, 2016 3:35 pm

I'm fine with either.

Brian Skies · Wed Feb 17, 2016 7:29 am

What do Egg and I being on different wagons have to do with you wanting to no lynch?

Also, in terms of choosing a spot to sleep, this would be the time unless you have confidence town will make the correct decision should TTH enter the game tomorrow with a fake guilty.

Brian Skies · Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:03 am

I thought AP had the peace pipe.

Brian Skies · Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:08 am

Yeah, the bubbler.

Brian Skies · Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:34 am

Peace pipe was just me making a joke. The item has nothing to do with me. To my knowledge, I was blocked in the same way UA was. I don't care about your response in 1362, it doesn't do anything for me.

Brian Skies · Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:34 am

Also, AP and I were blocked in the same night. So there's that too.

Brian Skies · Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:44 am

Well, I have knowledge you don't have. So your 'nonsense' simply doesn't concern me because it's derived from different information than I have.

Brian Skies · Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:55 am

Your logic concerning the blocks seems fine to me, otherwise I would have said something.

Brian Skies · Wed Feb 17, 2016 8:59 am

Because she's scum.

Brian Skies · Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:10 am

She has two QTs where the only difference is Spiffeh's existence. Everyone in her second QT is dead and can't verify it's existence. Everyone involved hasn't mentioned that there was a second QT or tried to figure out why they had two QTs if we're to believe Spiffeh and TTH as to what was discussed. TTH also didn't speak in the first QT with Spiffeh and we probably wouldn't have known if it weren't for everyone claiming which journey they took (she was the odd person out). It's her complete disregard for the night phase that concerns me as she's just floating through the game and I know she's better than this.

Brian Skies · Wed Feb 17, 2016 9:23 am

A) This would have been acceptable but she did not do this (and it was already claimed by Egg).
B) Would have been iffy because two players already claimed to have been blocked.
C) I would have policy lynched her for this as I claimed this as scum in that Galactica game (or whatever game that was).
D) ...She gives us two QTs, one of which can't be verified in any way.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:49 am

In post 1541, Spiffeh wrote:I received an ability after twilight for the night phase that just ended.

I had the option of copping someone or putting whoever I wanted on the ritual.

I chose to cop UrishomiyaAnge

And they are Illusion!

Did you already have one of these abilities beforehand?

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:50 am

I was in the lower world with Copper. We had a brief discussion.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 8:54 am

Why didn't you say anything?

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:01 am

My lower world only has Copper in it.

I picked mountain, he picked forest, and we talked about blocks and his ritual scumread (which didn't really make much sense to me, and I put off further discussion as I was just waiting to see what would happen after the night phase). I also told him to lynch Spiffeh if there was an extra unidentified night kill and I wasn't alive today.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:05 am

I'm not really interested in being in the ritual today.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:20 am

In post 1557, Spiffeh wrote:No

Were there any other effects? Like on following twilights/nights?

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:11 am

We have plenty of time to lynch UA.

Also, ritual.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:15 am

In post 1560, Egg wrote:I did. i was telling you what was going on in the Middle World. with toog. and about hito. and we each picked one of beach, mountain, and forest. are you telling me you had a different qt than me too?

Out of curiosity, what did we say to each other in our conversation?

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:50 am

Spiffeh, answer my question.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:51 am

I'm open to a mass claim.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:57 am

In post 1579, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 1563, Brian Skies wrote:Were there any other effects? Like on following twilights/nights?

Not that I know of?

Idk if I understand your question

I think you understand it just fine. I'm just curious because I targeted you but it doesn't seem like it did anything. Which could mean I either misunderstood what it could do or I was twilight blocked again (or both).

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:02 am

I'm okay with putting AP and Copper on the ritual if people have any reservations about Spiffeh here.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:03 am

In post 1586, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 1582, Brian Skies wrote:I think you understand it just fine. I'm just curious because I targeted you but it doesn't seem like it did anything. Which could mean I either misunderstood what it could do or I was twilight blocked again (or both).

I was not notified of being targeted by anything

Don't get snippy

Lol. I'm not being snippy. I was just saying you not having any knowledge is an answer in itself.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:06 am

In post 1593, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
In post 1590, AngryPidgeon wrote:I mean...the worst that happens is spiffeh is scum and fails the ritual? Would be pretty funny stuff. But I'd be fine with not putting him on since we are going to know more about his alignment as a result of this claim.

See this shit? This isn't from town.

"We'll know more about his alignment as the result of this claim"?

Yeah. If I'm town, he's scum. Someone knows that I'm not scum and is sitting on the fence.

He very clearly wants to lynch the guilty result, and there's nothing scummy about his mindset here.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:08 am

Spiffeh gets lynched if you're town. Also, AP has been scumreading you and Hito since you two tried to lynch him on Day 2.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:09 am

Why would he cop TTH, his scumread, over someone he claimed he didn't have a firm stance on?

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:13 am

Spoiler:

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:19 am

I would like a massclaim.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:20 am

I'm also interested in the disappearance of your one scum on and one scum off theory from yesterday.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:34 am

In post 1613, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
In post 1612, Brian Skies wrote:I'm also interested in the disappearance of your one scum on and one scum off theory from yesterday.

Well it's really easy to figure out that one player is scum WHEN THEY'RE CLAIMING A COP GUILTY ON YOU AND YOU'RE TOWN

I mean it's one of those what we call "red flags"

Seriously, I don't expect to survive this I don't care, I win when every threat to the realm is dead, and that doesn't require me to be alive at all. Lynch AP for me.

It should still hold merit when you're looking for scum #3.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:47 am

It was TTH, not Copper.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:49 pm

In post 1619, Egg wrote:Brian: Yeah, I've been to the lower world and Copper's right. I'll take Mountain
Brian: Hito and Ushiro feels easy but maybe it's just that easy.

This is a really awful impersonation of me considering:
1) I was rewarded with a meeting with an animal spirit after descending into the darkness Night 1 and would not have just called it flavor.
2) The second comment isn't one I ever see myself making.

Copper also chose forest in my QT.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 12:55 pm

Copper also didn't bold his choice in my QT and I haven't bolded anything.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 1:01 pm

In post 1628, AngryPidgeon wrote:Ya, I would not trade 1 for 1 right now as scum. Not when there are TOTALLY mislynchable people in the game. Like TTH.

I'm not voting UA unless someone verifies Spiffeh was gifted an investigative check. Also, the ritual should still happen (although Copper should probably get first pick depending on if he got anything last night). And I'd still like a mass claim.

The journeys seem to be related to a shamans typical journey (which is why I went lower world first). I'm probably going middle world next.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 1:15 pm

AP, what did you do with your peace pipe?

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 4:39 pm

I believe the game has reached a point where there's no reason not to mass claim. It creates accountability and this setup is too weird not to do so today. If you're town, we might learn something to lead us to towards the correct lynch and there are certain things in this game that should be sorted sooner rather than later.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:48 pm

Lol.

Confirm: Copper

I guess that means AP gets Water.

Brian Skies · Thu Feb 25, 2016 5:53 pm

In post 1647, copper223 wrote:Mass claiming with a guilty claim makes little sense to me although I'm not particularly against it, I don't get why town_hito in particular would want to do so though, Brian what are you claiming to have used on Spiffeh?

I used ayahuasca on TTH yesterday, that's a 1-shot NK protection ability so UA's bullet-proof claim makes me slightly uncomfortable, if UA is scum then their most likely partner is Hito.

What are your thoughts of these weird QT's once again surrounding Egg and TTH?

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:44 am

In post 1691, copper223 wrote:AP, Brian, Spiffeh, does one of you also claim to have a specific role in their tribe?

No.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:46 am

Nobody hammer until we at least settle our ritual and TTH claims. I'd like a mass claim, even more so now that UA doesn't and they seem to be wanting to expedite their exit from the game, but with TTH, we might not get that going until next week.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:48 am

In post 1714, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:WHY WOULD I LIE ABOUT THIS

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:53 am

In post 1718, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
In post 1715, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 1714, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:WHY WOULD I LIE ABOUT THIS

No seriously, what possible motive could I have to fakeclaim Saulus and ask to be lynched? I'm a goddamn Jester?

Scum will do what they can to win. You're no exception.

I think scum is in TTH/Egg (been leaning towards Egg recently). Copper thinks it's probably Hito. It's not something I'm able to freely discuss without a mass claim.

There's still the possibility it's TTH, but I won't feel confident about it until she claims.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:54 am

AP, you get Water. Please volunteer.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 6:56 am

In post 1724, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:
In post 1722, Brian Skies wrote:Scum will do what they can to win. You're no exception.

I think scum is in TTH/Egg (been leaning towards Egg recently). Copper thinks it's probably Hito. It's not something I'm able to freely discuss without a mass claim.

There's still the possibility it's TTH, but I won't feel confident about it until she claims.

What will you do when I flip town, Brian?

Because when I flip it's going to be green. I confirmed it.

"We're a Mafia Traitor."

"What will you do when we flip town?"

In the small chance that you're actually town here (and I'm doubting it since you're doing everything in your power from helping town save you and find scum if you are), I will lynch Spiffeh.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:01 am

I did read.

Based on your argument, you will flip Shaman, not aligned with the Illusion. Which makes Spiffeh scum.

Yet, even with your impending death, you're resorting to causing havoc and preventing a mass claim that would potentially help us find scum in the event that you're telling the truth.

I don't believe your claim though.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:02 am

In post 1733, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:So I ask again. When I flip town are you going to continue to be a flaming dumbass and ignore me?

The more you insult me, the more tempting it becomes.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:06 am

You sound bitter. Do you need a hug?

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:24 am

Confirm: AP

Lol. You should be doing it for Copper considering he's the one stuck in the web.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:06 am

Volunteer: Recipient

I'm half expecting to burst into flames.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 8:13 am

I don't know who Benmage is.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:10 pm

In post 1731, copper223 wrote:Brian what did you use on Spiffeh?

I had two options last twilight phase. The first was Path to Mastery, which blocks my target during the night but gradually empowers their role for the rest of the game. I didn't know enough about other players' roles to want to use it on anyone except one person, who according to my understanding had a twilight ability. Since it doesn't immediately resolve, I was told if the ability would work it would not begin resolving until the following twilight phase. I didn't feel like there was enough game left to play to bother.

The second choice was Fake-Empower, which immediately empowers my target's role in the night phase, but blocks them in the following night phase. I wanted to use it on someone that was in the ritual to see what would happen. I knew Copper was going to Lower World, so I chose to use him as a potential breadcrumb/hardclaim option. I wasn't confident in UA or AP being town based on them refusing to help me lynch my scumread and they weren't players I wanted to risk losing should Copper end up being scum. Spiffeh was on my wagon and I didn't really care if he ended up dying because of me or not.

I thought TTH may have been the person who gifted Spiffeh the ability. Since she has claimed otherwise, she goes back into my probable scum pile, along with Hito (it would be pretty lolsy if it's actually Hito considering UA wanted to lynch him yesterday over TTH). Egg is probably town based off of TTH's claim unless you feel like drinking the kool-aid of the 4-man scumteam.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:54 pm

Mod confirmed by Fate or possible QT bs?

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:03 pm

It's also possible she faked a redirect to avoid giving a result on UA, especially considering Egg has at least one fake thread (I don't remember if the TTH one was fake or not).

By fake I mean possible scum influence, not non-existent.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:07 pm

Why is TTH + UA strange?

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:09 pm

A vig would make things faster.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:11 pm

I think mostly everyone has claimed so far except Hito and maybe Spiffeh.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:17 pm

In post 1819, AngryPidgeon wrote:Brian, can you clarify your action with the block?

What do you mean?

I know my action wasn't blocked because it's a twilight ability and I was able to journey (also a twilight ability). Only Spiffeh would know if he would get blocked, but considering he's a Shaman who manifests abilities as opposed to a power animal that just has abilities, it probably won't affect him and he's not on the ritual anyway.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:22 pm

In post 1820, hitogoroshi wrote:Brian, did you get any clue regarding the source of your twilight ability? Does it seem to be the same sort of thing as what Spiffeh is claiming?

The bird gave it to me after performing the air role in the ritual on Day 2. I claimed I received the ability yesterday. The bird and I only met right as Day 2 and Day 3 started.

I believe I successfully targeted Spiffeh. I don't know what my role can or cannot do as "empower role" is incredibly ambiguous. While manifesting abilities would be an interesting way to resolve my ability, I was originally under the impression he needed to have an ability beforehand.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:23 pm

In post 1822, AngryPidgeon wrote:If I'm understanding this right, you used an action on Copper last twilight phase which will block him this next night phase like a normal roleblock would?

I used it on Spiffeh. Copper was just in the same QT as me and my chosen breadcrumb/hardclaim target.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:28 pm

It actually says disable instead of block. I don't know if that makes a difference.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:35 pm

In post 1831, hitogoroshi wrote:Partly that, partly that the cop gets to drop an inno which makes final lylo that much harder.

Honestly, if she came in with anything other than a guilty, I would have lynched her, making her result moot if she's scum. A fake guilty on anyone other than UA would inevitably get her lynched, no? And I don't see how claiming a guilty on UA leads her to victory.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:39 pm

Hito, I'm also not comfortable with you not claiming today since I'd be the only person who knows your role aside from dead scum (like if you're town, scum probably know your role anyway).

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:55 pm

You told me you thought I was a likely night kill.

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:59 pm

I'm guessing you were the recipient of the peace pipe?

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:00 pm

You were also the person I wanted to use Path to Mastery on but I questioned your survivability with a mass claim (which I thought we agreed to do yesterday).

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:04 pm

Peace pipe is just the name I gave it. I believe AP just called it an item?

Brian Skies · Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:34 pm

In post 1842, Egg wrote:Which part? I can't confirm that it was the real TTH, but her coming in with the redirect makes me near positive it was her. The result was posted by "The Hound". To clarify, she submitted her action in the QT and that's how the result came back. So anyone saying she's lying about the redirect, I'm telling you now I saw it so from your PoV, that's only possible if she and I are scum together. I mean, unless she's fucking with QTs and has the ability to post as "The hound", but that feels like a stretch. or maybe it's not a stretch. i don't fucking know anymore. All I can say is I saw what appears to be the redirect she described

If scum can pretend to be other people, I don't see what would stop them from faking mod actions.

Brian Skies · Sat Feb 27, 2016 5:54 am

Vote: TTH

Brian Skies · Sat Feb 27, 2016 5:55 am

Vote: UshiromiyaAnge

Brian Skies · Sat Feb 27, 2016 6:32 am

In post 1858, hitogoroshi wrote:BS can actually validate me thinking that at the start of our QT.

Yes.

Brian Skies · Sat Feb 27, 2016 12:05 pm

In post 1860, TellTaleHeart wrote:Caught up. :3

I got pushback for my UA pushes this entire game and now that they're confirmed scum I'm suddenly bussing them. >:\

The UA defense, eh?

There isn't anything else you'd like to comment on?

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 12:53 pm

In post 1887, AngryPidgeon wrote:I was in the middle QT again last night. Sorry if we agreed on one to go to, Brian.

I was supposed to be there as well, but Hito was like 'nope.'

I'll outline our conversation in the next post.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:20 pm

I first asked Hito why he neighborized me again instead of Egg. He told me he thought I was the most likely night kill and he wanted to be sneaky about his protection so we can go back to odds again. He also didn't seem to understand why I thought Egg should have been the one protected. I told him scum could probably POE his target. He considered using this as a way to scum hunt before I told him the QT's don't tell us who has access to them.

I asked him about the peace pipe, to which he replied he was struck by lightning but didn't actually receive any item he could pass on.

I was upset with the UA flip as I thought it would be straightforward. Gray != green and I was trying to process what it meant as far as Spiffeh was concerned. I know I targeted Spiffeh, but I don't know what my ability can or cannot do. I also told him that there are some things about the UA claim that are very believable, but the game seems very difficult for town to win with a three man scumteam, a Mafia jester/Saulus thing, and a modkill. Hito told me that it's possible UA lied to us about their wincon and that it could easily be something like 'town fails all rituals.' We also seemed to agree on one single red faction and it being weird for illusion-scum to fake an illusion result there. Although Hito did mention he did not think it was possible for Spiffeh to get an illusion result there. I didn't mention it to him, but I am considering how UA claimed they started with the scumteam's alignment.

I also told him I still find TTH's claim sketchy, as her flavor is different from Fox and Bear, and how I wish we had Egg's flavor as well. I also said her mechanic were shady. He told me he distrust her claim as she's continually dodged explaining the mechanics of her role. He also didn't understand how The Hound posted in the QT as he thought she was The Hound, saying how he was The Bear and not just friends with The Bear. He also didn't like the whole thing about her ability resolving in the middle of a night phase. I would also personally like to add Egg was the subject of fake QT's, which Copper and I confirmed to him, so it's possible the whole business with the hound was faked as well.

Also, as far as Spiffeh not being able to journey or take night actions, I did tell you all he would be disabled.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:25 pm

The ritual also does not resolve until after the Twilight phase. So it's possible for UA to sabotage our ritual as a twilight action rather than what they claimed.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:35 pm

In post 1904, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 1903, Brian Skies wrote:The ritual also does not resolve until after the Twilight phase. So it's possible for UA to sabotage our ritual as a twilight action rather than what they claimed.

But they weren't on the ritual?

That's what I'm saying. They claimed they had to be on the ritual. I'm saying it's possible that they could sabotage it without being on it.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:37 pm

I really don't understand how anyone can possibly townread TTH at this point. But I've also been scumreading her since Day 1. So... /shrug

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:38 pm

In post 1907, AngryPidgeon wrote:Ya, its possible. That seems unlikely though since they tried so hard to be on all of them. Unless you think they had a 1-shot ability to do it.

Well they did claim some random stuff about needing town to fail three rituals. A 1-Shot could have been some kind of reward.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:55 pm

In post 1699, UshiromiyaAnge wrote:We are a conditional traitor

We are aligned with the mafia. We are indeed contrarians - we want the town to lose.

This was what I was referring to Copper.

@AP: I don't believe UA's wincon is to the benefit of town when they claim their job this game was to continuously sabotage us. Especially since my wincon said to eliminate all threats. Even if they were able to win with town now, they don't have a right to complain about whether we win this game for them. I also don't understand why you care about what they want since they want us all to lynch you.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 1:56 pm

Spiffeh is at best scum #3. Egg is probably at best scum #3. We're still looking for scum #2. Scum #2 is most likely TTH.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:34 pm

Spiffeh v UA complicates things.

My Copper scumread has always been dependant on TTH being scum. I don't think he's been very scummy outside of that. Why do you want to lynch Copper over TTH?

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:38 pm

From your perspective, sure. I don't see why I would have been excluded from that assumption.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:38 pm

Talk to me about TTH's claim. Why do you think it might be a real claim?

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:41 pm

I have very little interest lynching someone based on the ritual when we can just no lynch and do it again.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:44 pm

You're reminding me of Tales of You AP right now when I hard CC'ed your buddy. :/

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:48 pm

I think the way she claimed it and the way she's handled both her 'role' and claim are scummy. There's a really good DGB claim about it only taking seconds to refer to a PM, but it taking a lifetime to make a good fakeclaim. Her mechanics are shady. You're telling me she's able to check someone in the middle of the night? Or how her flavor is completely different from what's flipped and it looks like it was crafted to fit her claim? I also don't think her play this game has been particularly townish at all either. You ignoring 'what she claimed' bothers me too since that should be pretty damn important. And it's almost as bad as that hilarious cop role you claimed in Tales of You.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:50 pm

In post 1929, AngryPidgeon wrote:Which one was that? I honestly can't even remember who had what role in that game. You guys were a ... role copier? I don't remember how that all shook down.

I tried to copy you but got roleblocked by Mara. Kats hard Cc'ed you, died, and no one looked your direction again. I assumed you were confirmed scum so I copied that Fox and Hound hydra. I got nothing but they claimed to have taken an action. You were like 'why would they lie about that.' It was the day before lylo but the rest of town imploded and Despbros thought they were a secret Mafia Traitor or something.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:05 pm

My issue with her is that she claimed she was hoping to wait for a smaller pool of players to use it on, which rubbed me the wrong way as it can easily backfire on her without towncred.

The QT's are a major issue for me because she's shown a major lack of interest in anything except whatever QT she claimed to have with Egg. Considering there are fake QT's going around and there are times she's unaccounted for in the night phase, it's a major red flag that she's even claiming to be able to make one of these. Not to mention the same night Egg used whatever his ability is, he got a fake lower world (which Copper and I confirmed was fake to him) as well as whatever QT he had with TTH, so it's possible they were both given to him by TTH. The whole 'Hound' interaction is shady as well and I don't believe it's something that couldn't have been faked.

The issue I have with her claim as far as DGB's quote goes is how tiresome it is to get her full claim out. She's continuously avoided explaining her mechanics and she has still failed to do so now.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:10 pm

In post 1936, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 1932, Brian Skies wrote:You were like 'why would they lie about that.'

I probably did say that. So you think me saying that about Spiffeh is scummy. Im not ruling out Spiffeh being scum here. Obviously there is something up with his claim but Im really not sure what and UA claimed a million things yesterday so its all kind of a circus from my perspective.

Do you think Spiffeh is scum and faked a guilty on UA and got lucky they were 3rd party? Because if not that the only thing I see is that Spiffeh had reason to think they were 3rd party and decided to just go for a gambit. In that situation it really doesn't make sense to rope yourself into a blatant lie when the whole point of the gambit is to get a 3p lynched and not out yourself in the process.

That was just me referencing what happened with my hard CC that game. Your inability to comprehend why Fox was scummy there is closer to your interaction with TTH's claim here. But it's still not why I referenced that line.

I don't believe it's possible for Spiffeh to be scum unless there are two scum left. This is based on me disabling him and there being a nightkill. I also don't think he's scum anyway, and I'm only considering it because of what's been claimed and flipped.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:33 pm

In post 1939, copper223 wrote:@Brian
There are two scum players left or this game is not balanced, 10 vs 2 vs 1 even if you assume the 1 is a Saulus that needs to be NK'd to switch sides, a claim I still have problems with, is not viable for the scum-team.

Spiffeh does not make the kill yesterday after being disabled (and in this format he knows he has been disabled since he can't travel), so you blocking him doesn't say much about his alignment.

Why did Spiffeh fake claim a check on UA and why did he say he did not receive your fake empower? How do you explain the night there were no kills?

Considering we have to eliminate all threats, 9v3v1 seems pretty heavy for town to win considering we'd only have two mislynches to play with and we lost one to a modkill. I'm not saying it can't be 9v3v1, just that it'd be really difficult to win, especially with the 1 trying to fuck over the 9 at every turn (but I'm not Fate, so who knows?).

Spiffeh could be scum. But we know he wasn't the one who made the kill unless you think I'm scum (which is understandable even though I was jailkept so it can't be Spiffeh/Brian, but it's not verifiable so whatever).

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:36 pm

In post 1939, copper223 wrote:Why did Spiffeh fake claim a check on UA and why did he say he did not receive your fake empower? How do you explain the night there were no kills?

Why would he know I empowered him? My role doesn't say anything about notifying my target that I targeted them, just that I would empower them.

Copper + TTH is still on the table. It's also possible the jesters were indeed conditionally bulletproof and were shot in the face that night. The latter is something I can easily see considering they're 3rd party.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:40 pm

In post 1939, copper223 wrote:why did he say he did not receive your fake empower?

Also, he did not claim this?

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:49 pm

In post 1943, copper223 wrote:We don't even know if UA was Saulus or a conditional BP to begin with, 9 v 3 v 1 seems pretty balanced if the 1 can win with both factions.

Because unless your empower did nothing it would be noticed when he got a different result from what was expected.

9v3v1 isn't balanced for town since the 1 can easily just side with the scumteam and endgame us on Day 3. But who cares? We're still looking for scum #2 anyway.

I don't know what my ability can do. But what he claimed seems believable to me and it was in a similar format to the abilities I received from the bird. He also seemed to have no idea what I was talking about as far as being blocked until today.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:51 pm

In post 1944, copper223 wrote:You asked him (twice I think) if he noticed any difference compared to the ability he said he used and he answered that he did not.

I asked him whether he had either ability beforehand or if he received any future effects, both of which he replied no.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 3:53 pm

No. It only says two things. His role becomes empowered and he becomes disabled the following night. I think it's possible UA defaulted to the scum alignment on investigations since they claimed to have started with that alignment.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:04 pm

In post 1949, copper223 wrote:The balanced number of scum players in a vanilla game is the square root of the pool, for 12 that's 3.5.

Is this a vanilla game?

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:06 pm

In post 1950, copper223 wrote:
In post 1948, Brian Skies wrote:I think it's possible UA defaulted to the scum alignment on investigations since they claimed to have started with that alignment.

This would be terrible modding, Spiffeh specifically said UA was of the Illusion, not scum.

So? We don't know what the scum's alignment is.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:13 pm

In post 1953, copper223 wrote:That's a baseline, I have seen no compelling evidence that the power ratio of the roles is stacked in a way to justify missing a scum player, if anything it makes me believe 4 scum is possible in this setup.

Okay, well Spiffeh can still only be scum #3. I will only vote for scum #2.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:14 pm

In post 1954, copper223 wrote:We do know that UA's alignment was different from Yakko's, so if the check determines the alignment (as was claimed) the mod reports the alignment in case of a success, not what is possible in the future or what is relevant for a player's win-con.

I'm basing it upon the possibility of what UA claimed.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:17 pm

Also, Fate has not once flipped a player's alignment outside of colors.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:23 pm

Does anyone really think there are at least 5 non-town flipped players?

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:31 pm

Perhaps.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:32 pm

I'm going to think on some things.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:33 pm

In post 1960, copper223 wrote:I hope not given we know there are 2 non town flips (from 2 different factions), what do you mean?

It was a 'no duh' response from me to Fate.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 6:58 pm

Would anyone be opposed to sticking Spiffeh and me on the ritual and no lynching?

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 04, 2016 11:24 pm

Actually, nevermind. Spiffeh is probably scum.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:23 am

In post 1966, Egg wrote:Or why TTH's role and Spiff's gift can't both exist as town?

We could go down the rabbit hole and assume the redirect on you was real and Spiffeh's result was because of a redirect as well, which would make the interaction akin to a bus driver. But that would make you scum, no? As far as there being two separate redirections, I'm going to go ahead and veto that based on unlikelihood.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:24 am

In post 1970, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 1966, Egg wrote:Or why TTH's role and Spiff's gift can't both exist as town?

We could go down the rabbit hole and assume the redirect on you was real and Spiffeh's result was because of a redirect as well, which would make the interaction akin to a bus driver. But that would make you scum, no? As far as there being two separate redirections, I'm going to go ahead and veto that based on unlikelihood.

Either way it wouldn't make sense because we received an inno and an illusion result, not Chaos + Illusion.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 05, 2016 8:37 am

In post 1972, copper223 wrote:@Brian
I agree but that's based on the results of the checks, the roles alone are not mutually exclusive as far as I can tell and that's what Spiffeh claimed when scumreading TTH today.

I was talking to Egg. You can have at it with Spiffeh.

What are your thoughts on a possible TTH + Spiffeh scumteam?

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 05, 2016 10:20 am

In post 1893, copper223 wrote:If the ritual is a red herring, then TTH saying she was redirected yesterday may be how Spiffeh plans to get away with his fake check today, if TTH comes up with a guilty on UA and they don't flip scum, it's a given she gets lynched the next day, if Spiffeh does it then he has a shot at getting away with it and he opened up today by scum-reading her again, if he is scum he doesn't want any association with his teammates at this point.

I think it would be pretty funny if this was some sort of masterplan for the two of them and it backfired.

Also, I read this but you pretty much said we were all possible scum so I conveniently ignored it.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 06, 2016 7:39 am

In post 1976, Egg wrote:
In post 1970, Brian Skies wrote:
In post 1966, Egg wrote:Or why TTH's role and Spiff's gift can't both exist as town?

We could go down the rabbit hole and assume the redirect on you was real and Spiffeh's result was because of a redirect as well, which would make the interaction akin to a bus driver. But that would make you scum, no? As far as there being two separate redirections, I'm going go ahead and veto that based on unlikelihood.

How would a scum redirector's existence implicate any one specific player? The only thing it would do is clear TTH and to a lesser extent maybe Spiff. Also justrealized that Spiff's result coming across as "illusion" is weird when TTH's was all flavorlike so maybe there actually is something to this idea that one of TTH/Spiff has to be scum.

I was saying the only way for both of their results to come from town is if something negatively interacted with Spiffeh's action. I don't believe scum had access to two redirections. I was thinking a bus driver on you and UA (which would implicate you as scum if TTH and Spiffeh were both town), except we received Inno+Illusion results instead of Illusion+Chaos results, so it's not a bus driver.

Brian Skies · Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:39 am

In post 1983, AngryPidgeon wrote:Ok....could you explain it to me like I'm five then?

I was just reminding you what happened in that game. Fox choosing to lie about their action was funny because I don't think I would have had any ground to stand on if they just told the truth about forgetting to send in their action that night. I still thought they were scum for other reasons though.

Brian Skies · Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:42 am

In post 1989, AngryPidgeon wrote:I'm certainly not lynching her today when one of Brian/Copper are scum for failing the ritual. People are free to believe that I could have failed it; I know I didn't. With Spiffeh and Egg having at least pseudo-clears on them, it means we lynch in the ritual. And I don't see why we no lynch when Egg probably dies for having an innocent result on him.

We don't know what caused the ritual to fail. UA could have caused it to fail. Spiffeh could be scum who really had a Feng Shui ability, but used it to cause us to fail the ritual. Either way, I'm unwilling to lynch from the ritual when we can no lynch and do the ritual again.

Brian Skies · Mon Mar 07, 2016 11:48 am

He was also third party and I don't trust what he says. Besides, Spiffeh claimed a Feng Shui ability that could interact with the ritual. Why aren't you considering that he could've used it towards a scum agenda?

Brian Skies · Mon Mar 07, 2016 1:36 pm

Spoiler:

Brian Skies · Mon Mar 07, 2016 2:46 pm

I would like to be in the ritual. It wouldn't bother me if I wasn't.

Brian Skies · Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:02 pm

Volunteer: Yin

Brian Skies · Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:11 pm

Yang is associated with fire. I thought you'd be all about that.

Brian Skies · Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:15 pm

I was reading some symbolism associated with it on wikipedia.

Brian Skies · Mon Mar 07, 2016 8:21 pm

I don't care who volunteers between you and AP.

Brian Skies · Tue Mar 08, 2016 6:42 am

Egg, what's your flavor?

Brian Skies · Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:35 pm

In post 2055, AngryPidgeon wrote:
In post 2021, Brian Skies wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 1541, Spiffeh wrote:I received an ability after twilight for the night phase that just ended.

I had the option of copping someone or putting whoever I wanted on the ritual.

I chose to cop UrishomiyaAnge

And they are Illusion!

In post 1551, Spiffeh wrote:Fuck I should have waited for TTH to give her results before outing mine

Oh well

I randomly got it when Twilight was over and night was announced

In post 1586, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 1582, Brian Skies wrote:I think you understand it just fine. I'm just curious because I targeted you but it doesn't seem like it did anything. Which could mean I either misunderstood what it could do or I was twilight blocked again (or both).

I was not notified of being targeted by anything

Don't get snippy

In post 1634, Spiffeh wrote:The title of the ritual ability is called Feng Shui

It allows me to re-arrange the layout of the ritual the next day, making sure it succeeds

The title of the cop ability is Divination

In post 1658, Spiffeh wrote:I have claimed everything

I was notified that I had new abilities.

I could either cop someone or change the layout of the ritual to ensure its success.

I chose to cop you and you came back as Illusion. Red text and all!

Dude, Spiffeh has claimed no interference with the ritual whatsoever. He claimed that he had the -option- to interfere and did not. That isn't a valid point. Either scum messed with the ritual while not being on it (borderline bullshit mechanic) or scum was on it. I can't entirely rule out scum having a role to fail the ritual, but the alternative is more likely.

This makes no sense to me if you're still considering the possibility Spiffeh is scum lying about a cop result.

Brian Skies · Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:48 pm

In post 2056, AngryPidgeon wrote:Why? Because I'm trying to draw meaning from the ritual failure? The thing I've been doing since the very beginning of Day 2 suddenly makes me scum? Ya you and Brian keep ignoring the failed ritual for GOD KNOWS WHY, citing entirely irrelevant Spiffeh quotes and a DEAD player. You two bozos want to lynch TTH and Spiffeh? Spare me. A couple game days ago you both wouldn't shut up about how scum the other was. Now that you are on a FAILED RITUAL with each other suddenly Spiffeh is scum because TTH and his claims aren't "mutually exclusive as far as I can tell". But you both keep pushing back at me for having perfectly legitimate paranoia about the ritual and some evidence to back up why I should.

There is no hard reason to believe that Spiffeh was even redirected and he isn't claiming that he was. Yet you make broad assumptions about his role not existing with TTH's and that the Mafia team knew what his role did? How about considering Egg's claimed nonsense and the fact that roles have made borderline zero sense in this game so far?

First of all, I don't think you even understand why the two of us tried to lynch each other on Day 2. I was calling him TTH's buddy and I was pissed off he kept diffusing whatever pressure I tried to put on her. I'm not sure what his issue was, but it's probably related to me calling him scum and saying he wasn't even considering she could be scum.

Secondly, I am trying to figure out why the ritual failed. But when UA flips third party and they can't even keep their claim straight (like claiming they would flip green when they clearly didn't), then I'm going to have a hard time trusting what they say, if I can trust anything at all. Add in Spiffeh's strange guilty claim and the high number of required Shaman for the ritual in Day 3, then yeah, I'm going to be pretty leery of the results of last night's ritual. I don't understand why you're so afraid of testing the ritual again or why you refuse to volunteer yourself. And it's not like it's the first time you actively refused to help with the ritual mechanic when you refused to confirm me for the ritual on Day 2 or 3 despite townreading me.

Egg's claim is strange. It's as sketchy as TTH's claim is and it bothers me that Egg continuously thinks the Hound mechanic is genuine when it's probably bullshit. If he had an ability to visit all world's that night and scum had the ability to give him a fake QT, then it's highly probably they gave him multiple fake QT's in conjunction with his Multidimensional ability. Yet he's like, 'nah man, it has to be real.'

The only problem is that I can't see him being scum without TTH.

Volunteer for the ritual AP.

Brian Skies · Tue Mar 08, 2016 12:58 pm

In post 2043, copper223 wrote:monkey

Was it a specific type of monkey, or just a monkey?

Brian Skies · Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:14 pm

Yeah, but you going 'how could you possibly suspect Spiffeh of lying about not using that option' seems so disingenuous if you still think he could be scum.

Brian Skies · Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:18 pm

I don't know if you're just being deliberately obtuse here, but how can you not see how we have reservations of lynching someone from the ritual today?

Brian Skies · Wed Mar 09, 2016 10:04 pm

@Egg: I dunno man. I think I'm just trippin' after everything that's happened this game. /shrug

VOTE: AP

I'm taking your resistance to volunteering for the ritual to be a scum claim. Volunteer or die.

Brian Skies · Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:26 pm

If AP doesn't volunteer within the next 24 hours (since deadline is so close), we're lynching him and putting Spiffeh on the ritual. If they both refuse, we're lynching both of them.

Brian Skies · Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:30 pm

Spiffeh can go ahead and volunteer as we wait to see if AP will volunteer or not. That way we can use him as a backup confirmation in case we need it.

Brian Skies · Fri Mar 11, 2016 8:47 pm

Confirm: Spiffeh

Volunteer: Yang

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 12, 2016 7:07 am

At the very least, you should confirm Spiffeh and me for the ritual.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:34 am

I hope people realize that the deadline is today.

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 12, 2016 11:05 am

We need one more Brian and Spiffeh confirmation, I believe.

UNVOTE: AP

Brian Skies · Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:02 pm

In post 2091, Egg wrote:
Confirm Spiff

Already confirmed Brian

You have to confirm me again because Spiffeh went for the same one I already had.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:07 am

I was right. ):

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 6:24 am

I'll take the highest post count as my consolation prize.

Fun game, Fate. Even if I didn't agree with some of your actions.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:22 am

In post 2166, Katsuki wrote:MY READS WERE FUCKING SPOT ON AND EVERYONE WANTS TO IGNORE ME AS USUAL FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF-

At least you were dead. I had to deal with them while being alive and trying to lynch scum for 5 Days.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:24 am

But yeah. I could tell your reads were spot on Night 1. I had Yakko and Espy on Day 1. And I got Copper on Night 1 when he was the only person who made sense as scum. It's a shame no one listened to me.

I want to hydra with you again in the future.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:27 am

I was happy with the QT's I had with Hito. He was a good neighborhood partner.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 7:28 am

In post 2173, Katsuki wrote:
In post 2171, Brian Skies wrote:But yeah. I could tell your reads were spot on Night 1. I had Yakko and Espy on Day 1. And I got Copper on Night 1 when he was the only person who made sense as scum. It's a shame no one listened to me.

I want to hydra with you again in the future.

ya we should

properly lol

I still managed to make sure we only gave toppings to town that game! Too bad the SK was OP as shit that game.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 8:31 am

Finally reaches beginning of Mafia QT > Sees wolf given as fakeclaim >

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:14 am

In post 2191, GreyICE wrote:Wait, so we lost because Spiffeh copped a random player and hit TTH?

What the actual fuck

It hit Copper actually. Apparently Copper thought I was crumbing hider.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:33 am

@Copper: I laughed at you complaining about the ritual succeeding and it compromising the integrity of the game. Yes, it benefitted town. But I don't think it was something that shouldn't have resolved itself on its own anyway. As far as integrity goes, Nacho getting mod killed and not TTH was far worse (and yes, I saw that post Fate deleted). I do think you played well. I don't think the mod made actions to only compromise the outcome for one side.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:36 am

Also, the ritual succeeding pretty much won you the game. :/

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:45 am

In post 2201, copper223 wrote:Fate did not specify that we could not talk during the second twilight and left the thread open, whereas he explicitly sent us a PM about being forbidden from doing so during the first twilight. I also sent Fate a message asking him if we could post (without talking to TTH about it), you can argue that Nacho's penalty for actually posting was too harsh (up to Fate) but the two are in no way equal.

My whole strategy during that day was for the ritual to fail due to lack of confirmation, I also PM'd Fate about locking the thread (24 hours before he actually did), so yes it totally screwed with scum's strategy.

It's not that they were equal, and your reasoning was the same I had for not mentioning it to the mod. However, Fate clearly chose to punish town and ignore scum for the same thing (granted, you probably would have lost if TTH was modkilled there anyway). This was a one-sided decision that Fate seems to agree with since he told you.

As far as the ritual goes. I don't mind that Fate chose to remove the next days ritual as recompense. However, it's something I feel the town should have been able to do just fine if they weren't a bunch of apathetic fucks. And you saying it compromised the game is laughable since while it does affect how town perceives the ritual, choosing to allow it after the deadline has been reached is at the mod's discretion similar to how a mod may allow actions submitted after a deadline.

You're acting like the game was completely turned against you, when really, you got a free modkill and something that barely splintered your strategy.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:49 am

Nacho said he didn't read the PM. And yes, they were clearly different and I assumed the possibility Fate let her off since she was a replacement. However, modkilling town and not scum was clearly a decision Fate made that unilaterally worked in your teams favor.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:53 am

I don't mind your reaction to the ritual succeeding. My issue is you complaining about the integrity of the game and threatening to report him to the listmods for it.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:53 am

You pretty much strong-armed him into compensating your team.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 9:59 am

Anyhow, moderator bullshit aside, I'm disappointed he was allowed to run this game without a Co-Mod or Backup Mod.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:07 am

In post 2216, copper223 wrote:at the time it did compromise the game.

In your favor, since AP looked like walking scum to everyone left alive.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:09 pm

In post 2225, Fate wrote:Brian I understand your frustration but the compensation was not equal. Skipping the chance at a ritual at LyLo did not outweigh ensuring Egg's triple journey and all the power that was received by town.

Yes I did allow copper's frustration to affect my decision to compensate him, but that's only because I've been in situations like his and can empathize

I don't really care about this to be honest. It's pretty miniscule compared to you stripping town of a mislynch.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:10 pm

To be fair, I did abuse the even numbers, but it's still pretty shitty.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:19 pm

Also, if I'm reading the Mafia PT and final mod thoughts correctly, Fate was helping the scumteam confuse the town. Even though I understand what the mechanic is supposed to do, the amount of mod intervention there is unacceptable.

Not to mention the Heyoka role (while interesting), was implemented poorly considering the scumteam had safeclaims given to them and they Heyoka flavor couldn't have even been real-claimed. It's pretty much there just to fuck over the town. Not to mention our win conditions indicated we would have had to lynch Heyoka anyway, with only two mislynches to do it. And you took one of our mislynched away when you modkilled Nacho (for another role that was very clearly only there as a trap role since only Camntsuki could talk during twilight).

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:26 pm

In post 2226, GreyICE wrote:Yeah our win was literally stripped by random.org.

I don't think this mattered since if Copper could have chosen the target, he would have chosen himself. It would have been the same result either way.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:33 pm

I think Copper played really well too. He put his team on his back and carried them to victory. He deserves this win, in my opinion.

I'm a fan of the flavor and the setup, for the most part. The moderation was just subpar.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:34 pm

I'm not blaming Fate that town lost, because I think this game was very winnable for town. But some of his decisions were very questionable (for all teams).

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:38 pm

In post 2240, Katsuki wrote:
In post 2235, Brian Skies wrote:I think Copper played really well too. He put his team on his back and carried them to victory. He deserves this win, in my opinion.

I'm a fan of the flavor and the setup, for the most part. The moderation was just subpar.

COPPER CLAIMED SCUM THO AND Y'ALL WERE JUST TOO BLIND TO SEE HOW OBVSCUM HIS INTERACTIONS AND STANCES ON YAKKO WERE D:

Everyone except me. >:[

I even pointed it out.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:47 pm

In post 2243, Katsuki wrote:YOU WERE THE LAST SALVATION
BUT WITH THE DEATH OF CAMNTSUKI
TOWN WAS FORSAKEN

God damn Tales of You repeat.

If only you were given another day.

I also may have been inspired to play better this game after you defended me Day 1.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 1:56 pm

It's okay. I don't tend to get mislynched early unless I'm playing really fucking horribly. Usually my goal is to win or die before lylo.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:03 pm

In post 2246, copper223 wrote:My interactions with my teammates have always been one of the best ways to figure out my alignment when I am scum, alternatively I'm sure TTH has a manual on how to read copper by now, although that may start with: copper is always scum , but nobody has yet managed to actually lynch me for it, give me an incentive to switch up my game and I'll try bussing, I still think it's retarded 90% of the time and one of the main reasons scum loses games.

I think you were very scummy when it came to your stances around Yakko and TTH. In my opinion, bussing is a very poor strategy that helps town win games. I think this was a game that ended up benefitting you in the long run, but I knew you and TTH were scum on N1, and Day 2 confirmed it for me. You just weren't lynchable, despite you slipping on Day 1, and that's kudos to you and partly due to poor town play. If I was given a vig or cop at any point in this game, I was going to use it on you. But it didn't happen and I'm just one person.

I do think you may have snowed this town if you had better teammates, but RNG is part of the game (at least as far as team composition goes).

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:14 pm

In post 2249, copper223 wrote:Didn't I put a tiny bit of doubt in you d2/d4 that I might have actually been town?

I didn't doubt my read on you until Day 3. But it had more to do with AP and UA irritating me than you 'towning it up.'

I still thought TTH was obvscum. And I still thought it was you/TTH up until AP refused to join the ritual (I still thought Spiffeh was town, and it's why I was adamant about not lynching him). If TTH ever flipped scum, you would still have been my preferred lynch.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:17 pm

In post 2249, copper223 wrote:I thought if I started to go ham on you after you posted your copper/TTH scumread you might have had flashbacks of the game where we were scum-reading each other for ages as 2 townies (that's why I explicitly brought it up).

This actually made me want to lynch you more.

Brian Skies · Sun Mar 27, 2016 2:28 pm

I don't think you could ever have convinced me you were town because I perceived you as scum slipping on Day 1 and I thought you were full of shit on Day 2. I don't know how to copy and paste from my phone, but I called your interactions with TTH fake in my first QT with Hito. You can ask him for those when he checks the thread.