Mini 1773 : Symphonic Metal Mafia (Game Over?!)

[Firebringer]

Hey guys, its middle of the night for me. So I am going to fall asleep in a bit.
When I get on ill try putting some work into this.

First thing I want to examine is the wagon from yesterday:
Killthestory (7) : Aristophanes , Dierfire , Jake from State Farm , a plain farmer , KuroiXHF , Masquerade , Maestro

Gotta be at least one scum on this.

[Firebringer]

Yeah, I didn't actually see a scum was killed.
Jake, is kind of a dick. So he is still same him. Thats cool.
Not alignment indictive but a good welcome into the game.

[Firebringer]

Masquerade, why you think I am scum?
That isn't nice ;(

I am obviously a neutral in this game.

[Firebringer]

I already told you; you're being serious.

So what's your take on all this Maestro/Snarky/farmer-business?

Why am I not allowed to be serious?

I don't know, Wisdom says vote Farmer, I haven't read anything. I will do so in a few days.

[Firebringer]

I am technically on vacation (out of town at least). I will attempt to ISO Farmer at least see if I get any vibes either way.
I probably won't be able to get everything.

[Firebringer]

UNVOTE:
Always forget to unvote when I get in a game.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: farmer

I'm done fighting for today.

Lets make love, not warcraft.

[Firebringer]

;(
Hope everything is alright Frozen!

[Firebringer]

I am sorry guys, I am traveling tomorrow (been out of town using phone), when I get home [approx 24 hrs] I will try to look into stuff in this game.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: SnarkySnowman

I was worrying that the scumread on him coming from my gut was due to his playstyle. I still think his style so far this game has been a bit anti-town, but I'm also starting to think there's scum behind it.

I don't like this post that much, maybe its the way he says "anti town playstyle, but hasn't addressed player alot. Its not a strong opinion is my biggest problem.

[Firebringer]

I can't believe I'm even having to make this argument, but if the reason behind you're vote is to have the best chance at securing a lynch, then you're still best off voting Snarky. Even though more people are on my wagon right now, more have scumread Snarky and would seem to be fine with lynching him today:

Lynch Farmer: 5 (names in italics are currently on wagon)

Wisdom

Shiro

Snarky

Masq

Jake

Lynch Snarky: 6

farmer

Jake

Shiro
Masq
kush
Maestro (based on 1007)

And this is not including FB and Jeanne. I think FB will prefer to lynch Snarky because I have faith he'll see I'm town. Jeanne too, and she seems to dislike Wisdom enough to not want to be on whatever wagon he's on.

My gut says this is a town post, strongly thinking that.
Theres a small kind of politicing going on about Wisdom near end, but yeah.

[Firebringer]

And lynching a town is playing against your win condition. I don't care about your flimsy excuses and your re-evaluating.

You said I am free to scumread you tomorrow if you're wrong, which is exactly what I will do and you will not fight it. >.>

What in the hell kind of logic is this?

[Firebringer]

Please not another

Wisdom vs jeane

Hi Shiro-chan!

On this whole, fight between Jake and Wisdom. I don't agree with Wisdom here. I looked at Farmer, nothing was strong scum pings from me. I got mild town pings if anything from him.
So if it has to be between Snarky and Farmer I am going snarky.

VOTE: Snarkysnowman

[Firebringer]

FB's chances of being farmer's buddy just skyrocketed

Go on, have your mislynch. Let's see how you'll defend yourself for this when farmer has flipped scum.

You are such a dick to players, I love it.
Then you quote one of my worst games ever.

I haven't even ISOd Snarky, I just don't find your case for farmer appealing.

[Firebringer]

Yeah, this is just a lazy death tunnel.
I think Wisdom does this pretty normally so not alignment indicative of him.

still think Farmer likely town.

[Firebringer]

Tell me why farmer is town, FB.

His posts show he has been trying to sort players.
Why are you town? No wait, I am not asking loaded questions.

Nevermind. Who else do you have as scum/town?

[Firebringer]

Want to give me reads or you going to continue on this?
Listen, ill discuss farmer with you more. Cause he is only one I explicitly ISOd. But why can't we do both?

[Firebringer]

My reads are already known. You or Maestro is the buddy.

Well I know your wrong about me.
I don't think your right about Farmer.

Is your read on my slot predicated by farmer or is it independent?

[Firebringer]

Id say the same with your vote on farmer, but you know.
Voting doesn't equal much.

[Firebringer]

One vote doesn't equal much. Trends equal something.
And I will give you non answers all day.

[Firebringer]

Like your scumread does much lol.
You will do what your doing to farmer right now, give bs excuses for me being scum while continuing to say "lynch fire"

Good luck with that mate.

[Firebringer]

I would never vote for that, I mean what platform are they standing for?
WHAT ARE THEIR PRINCIPLES!

What legislation do they support?

[Firebringer]

Hello, I have been idly following parts of this game before I replaced in and I agree with Wisdom.

VOTE: a plain farmer

Bullshit.

I call complete bullshit.
You just joined the game. You are a scum slot now.
Congrats.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer, I think it would be appropriate if you hammered him. I doubt SnarkySnowman will be lynched today since it's now 5 v 4.

I am going with a no lynch than being strong armed into this from scum.

[Firebringer]

@Mod Did Expediance confirm his role pm before joining

I won't let people, play the game without knowing they saw their role pms. ~FA

His entrance sounded 100% prepared, and like he formed thoughts before even seeing his role pm. So his opinions is diluted without even knowing his alignment/role.
Meaning you can't even know Expediance alignment from him. Have to look at Maestro.

[Firebringer]

As far as I am concerned your slot is 100% unreadable at this point.
You read the game before reading a role pm, and thus you can make 'genuine' reads before knowing your actual alignement/teammates

So 100% ignoring you until you get reads based on interactions currenlty rather than from what happened previously.

[Firebringer]

I don't have a strong town read on him. I am just stubborn as fuck.

[Firebringer]

So if I'm "100% unreadable" and not scum trying to strongarm a lynch, why don't you hammer right now?

Look at the moonlogic here.
How is you being unreadable related to my read or vote on farmer.

[Firebringer]

Expedience, your read on farmer is can only be valid now is if you interact with him and you then get a solid read.

[Firebringer]

Those don't relate.
And why do you think I am referring to you?
Maybe I am talking about Wisdom.

[Firebringer]

Expedience, your read on farmer is can only be valid now is if you interact with him and you then get a solid read.

That's silly.

It actually isn't.

Because when you "preread" you were uninformed. And were genuinely trying to figure out the game.
This causes you to form "genuine reads", because you don't know who is or isn't scum. You then get a role pm, which could cause you to be informed, but you can post your "genuine reads".

I have seen players do it.

[Firebringer]

Are you referring to Wisdom?

I thought you were referring to me, since I told you to hammer.

I think Wisdom push is pretty scummy. I really don't have much thoughts on your slot except Wisdom thinks its scummy which doesn't mean much.

[Firebringer]

Sorry Frozen >.>

Apology Accepted

[Firebringer]

I am gonna do it. I am fed up with these antics.

Daykill: Wisdom

There, I killed him. Sorry not sorry.

I genuinely hope this is real.

[Firebringer]

Even tho, I don't think day vig is "Normal"

[Firebringer]

It could be.

I checked, at vig is listed on normal roles page.

You basically confirmed it was fake
Why do you toy with me?

[Firebringer]

You're funny, Jeanne

Masquerade, hammer this shit already

I will death tunnel you tomorrow regardless of farmers flip.

[Firebringer]

I presume you'd also rather nolynch than lynch a plain farmer, Jeanne?

Nevermind, I didn't see you were already voting him.

Wow, so you are so sure about farmer being scum when you don't even know who is voting him for what reasons.
Yeah. Nice.

[Firebringer]

I presume you'd also rather nolynch than lynch a plain farmer, Jeanne?

Nevermind, I didn't see you were already voting him.

Wow, so you are so sure about farmer being scum when you don't even know who is voting him for what reasons.
Yeah. Nice.

I also just replaced in.

But you also said you preread the game and were sure you were replacing into a town slot.

I am confused. Which is it?
Did you preread and get a good feel of the wagons before you joined. Or did you just replace in and you aren't that positive of whats going on?

[Firebringer]

You're funny, Jeanne

Masquerade, hammer this shit already

I will death tunnel you tomorrow regardless of farmers flip.

And lynching a town is playing against your win condition. I don't care about your flimsy excuses and your re-evaluating.

You said I am free to scumread you tomorrow if you're wrong, which is exactly what I will do and you will not fight it. >.>

What in the hell kind of logic is this?

My problem with Jeanne saying that was that "he could not fight it"
Not the "I can scumread you"

[Firebringer]

Also the dependency on flips.

[Firebringer]

I am not toying with you. It's real, I swear. I got fed up with his incessant tunneling, so I killed him. That's all there's to it.

p-edit: I presume you'd also rather take a chance despite the possibility of him being town? And no, I will have him lynched, but only when deadline comes around. I think he is scum with Wisdom, and since Wisdom is hard to lynch due to people listening to him, I'd rather leave an easier target for tomorrow? What's wrong with leaving farmer for tomorrow? If Wisdom flips town, any of farmer's defense will be shot to hell. Also, I just killed Wisdom so if he is town, you can lynch farmer today.

If you shot Wisdom and he flips town, I will 100% lynch farmer.
But:
1) The vig was fake.
2) He isn't going to get lynched today.

[Firebringer]

If you shot Wisdom and he flips town, I will 100% lynch farmer.

I thought you weren't lynching farmer because I was wrong, wtf is this?

I think you are wrong and you are scum pushing it.
So yeah, if you flip town I will reconsider it.

[Firebringer]

Yeah, you're scum

Why don't you swing a wagon my way then.
If you are so sure of this.

[Firebringer]

I can do a Firebringer flashwagon if people are interested and time allows, fwiw

Do it.

@Mod Since we have had 2 replacements in last few days, can we get a 24 hour extension on deadline pls?

[Firebringer]

Yeah, sorry not sorry. Look at him. The moment someone starts pressuring him more deeply, they become scum. The only reason I haven't become scum yet is because he thinks I am a VI. Yeah, that's the guy you're letting live.

And why are you voting him?

[Firebringer]

Jeanne, if you didn't allow bias to control you, you'd see FB just slipped.

You talk so much out of your ass that it becomes second nature.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Wisdom

[Firebringer]

Sure, buddy

I am a Town Doctor, what are you buddy?

[Firebringer]

Cool story

Why don't you lynch me then?
Maybe people will stop eating your garbage when they see my flip.

And if you are right about me being scum, you gain credibilty right?
You think I am scum, right?

[Firebringer]

Because we're lynching your buddy and your provoking me won't stop that

Lynch this ass tomorrow.

Not announcing my heal target for obvious reasons or maybe I am BP and that was WIFOM.

VOTE: Farmer

Like 70-80% sure that was a town llynch. But we leave it to night.

[Firebringer]

This day isn't even worth discussing:
VOTE: Wisdom

I will spam this all day if need be.
We are lynching this, no discussion

Also, lol at Mafia thinking that Jeanne was:
A) Actually Vigilante and
B) Had shots left.

[Firebringer]

Who does want to talk to me and listen and discuss and try to understand each other's pov's?

I think FB could be scum for that awful hammer. He's definitely not a doc given the JK flip, there is a chance he's BP, but it's all wifom.
I can't tell if Jake is scum. I keep wondering if this lack of brain he demonstrates in some posts can be consistently faked like this.
Expedience pushing the FB thing felt townish.
Snarky voting me is weird.
I think you and kush look town for trying to make sense of things.
Shiro has given me town vibes all around.

You openned this day calling me and Jake town.
You later said "Welp I think Jake is scum for pushimg me"
Now you say I am scum.

What in the fuck.

Can you stick to one story?
Ohh wait, no. You are scum.
Why am I arguing with yoU/

[Firebringer]

Expediance maybe lynched tomorrow.
Cause he is as ridiculous as Wisdom right now.

[Firebringer]

FB why did you hammer your townread?

Because you are insufferable.
Why are you saying I am scum when you said beginning of this day I am town?

[Firebringer]

In the beginning of the day I thought you're likely town because your claim was ballsy as scum as you could have been CCd.
Now I realize I give you too much credit and you maybe didn't think that through.
If I ignore your claim you're scummy as hell for hammering a townread without even getting a claim.

Says the person who literally pushed them all day long.
Do you even read your posts sometimes?

Yeah, I shouldn't have hammered. I just wanted day phase over with.
You and Expediance need more pressure on both of you for pressuring me to vote them, then being hypocrites and calling me scum for doing what you asked of me.

[Firebringer]

@FB why did you fake claim doc and BP?

I wanted to protect the PR.
I am not dying now.

[Firebringer]

Me and Expedience had a scumread on farmer.
You had a townread.
And you hammered your townread without caring if you're lynching a PR.

You make no sense.

You need to be lynched.

[Firebringer]

In the beginning of the day I thought you're likely town because your claim was ballsy as scum as you could have been CCd.
Now I realize I give you too much credit and you maybe didn't think that through.
If I ignore your claim you're scummy as hell for hammering a townread without even getting a claim.

Says the person who literally pushed them all day long.
Do you even read your posts sometimes?

Yeah, I shouldn't have hammered. I just wanted day phase over with.
You and Expediance need more pressure on both of you for pressuring me to vote them, then being hypocrites and calling me scum for doing what you asked of me.

No, I'm not responsible for you being scum.

What kind of shit posts is this?

[Firebringer]

Not announcing my heal target for obvious reasons or maybe I am BP and that was WIFOM.

This is just the explanation for why he wouldn't get NKed. I'm sure Firebringer knows not to fakeclaim as town.

This is 100% a scum post.

[Firebringer]

Is this a new playstyle where you just call posts scum and hope people don't call your bullshit?

I call it the RadiantCowbells style, what you think?
I am adopting it temporarily.

Next I am going to start insulting your play and call you a worthless player.

[Firebringer]

I think your carefree attitude confirms you likely fakeclaimed without thinking it through and then quickhammered to avoid a flashwagon on you

I think you don't know how I play at all and you're talking out of your ass.

Which isn't new.

[Firebringer]

Sorry for inactivity people. I will be with you soonish.

Gotta say though. Wisdom wagon is bad.

Wisdom is this:
A) Anti town town
B) Scum.

See this is what I suggest. We remove him now, or say I am in LYLO with him, and I will 100% vote him regardless.

[Firebringer]

How am I anti town town again?

Youre not, you are scum.

[Firebringer]

I get that and I am sayin this is more likely to come from town fire than scum.

P.edit

Fire. Don't you trust me : (

I think you are town Shiro, why does that mean Wisdom is?

[Firebringer]

We've had two quickhammers without claims from two different people, in both cases without a scumread driving it

.

YOU CANNOT

I REPEAT


CANNOT USE THIS AGAINST ANYONE WHEN YOU DEMANDED PLAYERS TO FRICKING HAMMER YESTERDAY YOU FRICKING LIAR

[Firebringer]

Me wanting a hammer on my scumread has still nothing to do with what you did.

Summary: I can be wrong and bad, but if you call it right but still follow my bad advice. You are the scum and or bad.

Thats you.

[Firebringer]

You supposedly scumread me and townread farmer. "I hammered because Wisdom told me" is just no.

No, I hammered to end the day, and I said so earlier. But I still technically did what you wanted me to do. Which it pains me to even say.

[Firebringer]

Shiro I'm not buying FB is incapable of understanding how his argument is terribad, sorry. He's just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.

Eat a lynch.

[Firebringer]

He once fought to death about survivors being protown and then fought after death with the mod and another person.

Yes,yes he would

Survivors can totally be protown. Nobody plays it right except me and the meta revolved around it is retarded.

#SideTracked

[Firebringer]

Fire, want to lynch expe with me?


Wisdom would you entertain the thought of joining?

I would lynch Expediance, but I am coming back to Wisdom tomorrow, 100%.

[Firebringer]

He once fought to death about survivors being protown and then fought after death with the mod and another person.

Yes,yes he would

Survivors can totally be protown. Nobody plays it right except me and the meta revolved around it is retarded.

#SideTracked

Thanks Shiro.
At least you can brighten my mood on this game.

So frustrating.

[Firebringer]

orod dodge.

Lynch Wisdom.

[Firebringer]

Like you did yesterday?
Solid.

[Firebringer]

I did what?

All you did was tunnel and basically refused to discuss.

[Firebringer]

Also, Frozen Angel I missed this avi of yours and glad it is back

~FA

[Firebringer]

Fire pwease : (

Vote snarky with me *sniff sniff*

I am sorry Shiro, but Wisdom is scum.

[Firebringer]

Like "Firebringer is scum, he did this and this"

Instead of "guys am I crazy for thinking FB's actions were confscum? Why isn't he being wagoned?"

It had a town vibe to it

lol.

[Firebringer]

UNVOTE:

[Firebringer]

This game is literally ridiculous.

[Firebringer]

Even ignoring his claim, Firebringer's whiteknighting of farmer is still scummy as fuck.

White Knight terminology really really needs to die.
Its not a thing morons.

Town should defend town reads.
Does that mean that scum don't defend town? No, but its not inherenlty scummy to defend town, its actually town to defend town.

Jesus. I don't even know why people keep using a phrase that literally contains zero scum behavior to call someone scum.

[Firebringer]

Fire please

Do what is rifht and vote snarky

I am honestly out of the game Shiro.
If Wisdom is really town, this game doesn't feel worth winning.

[Firebringer]

Ill try to review Snarky ISO tomorrow or something. I am just blown away at this game.

[Firebringer]

Your townread on farmer was opportunistic, poorly justified, and intended to make you look town in the same way that Jeanne, Jake and Maestro looked town. It also gave you more ammunition with which to accuse Wisdom.

Thats not how townreads work you idiot.
You can call me scum, I don't care.

Their is no god damn such thing as a White Knight. Get that through your skull.

[Firebringer]

Also, you're not claiming because the ambiguity helps you to survive. You had no qualms claiming under very little pressure for no purpose.

At this point, I am not claiming just because you are annoying.

[Firebringer]

Shall I remind you I'm the only source of dead scum so far?

Yes, I know I'm being a dick, but I'm getting fed up with this behavior against me as if I've commited crimes this game.

As far as I am concerned right now, you got lucky with the night kill on scum.
The rest is bad play, especially blaming me for the lynch on farmer.

you are being a dick, I am being a dick. I am sick of this game and you are part of that reason.

[Firebringer]

Can you explain why snarky is scum at all right now?
Cause I don't want a repeat at all of Farmer.

And yes, me lynching farmer was bad, my hammer is also bad.

[Firebringer]

Then do your own fucking scumhunting instead of whining about whether my reads are good or bad.

Alright then.

[Firebringer]

I am done insulting/arguing with you Wisdom. Okay man.
We can be civil for rest of the game.

/truce

[Firebringer]

No.

[Firebringer]

I don't get why Expediance wants me to claim directly before he hammers a No Lynch.....
That sounds scummy as shit btw.

[Firebringer]

so Expediance, you going to hammer or really want to stick with this claim thing.

[Firebringer]

I don't feel like discussing anymore (not like we were).
Ill see you guys tomorrow:

VOTE: No Lynch

Jake is most likely to die though.

[Firebringer]

Oh look, what a surprise. They killed the one guy I was strongly townreading.

Should I just get it over with and vote Firebringer?

I mean you can....this is a free country.
Well, america is. Mafia scum isn't a country

[Firebringer]

Cool, I await for town to misvote on me.

[Firebringer]

Fire can you claim?

I am townreading you but it can clear stuff now so we lynch scum.

I am honestly PoE this to expe/kush at this point.

We should honestly mass claim tbh

I am a Vanilla Townie.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer isn't crossvoting because he doesn't really think I'm scum.

I am leaving enough room for you to be moronic townie. I don't want to be the one to fuck up in LYLO, so I am just waiting for someone else to fuck up.

[Firebringer]

He isn't voting me even though I directly counterclaimed him because he knows I'm town.

You are counter claiming Vanilla Townie....

Are you fricking high?

[Firebringer]

Shiro, what you claim?

[Firebringer]

Shocking, unbelievably unbelievable.

Who do you think is scum other than me, Firebringer?

Probably nnn_thekushmountains.

[Firebringer]

Why not just claim power role Shiro?

[Firebringer]

Why not just claim power role Shiro?

Huh ?

Why didn't you just say:

"I am a power role"

[Firebringer]

Whatever Shiro,
who do you think it is.

you think I am town. so that leaves Jake, nm, and Expediance.

[Firebringer]

Okay Shiro, want to vote Kush?
I am fine lynching that.

[Firebringer]

I mean, I have doubts on Expediance, but I think Kush is in this regardless.

I mean...would Expediance be this dumb to say a VT was a CC to my claim? I.....don't know.
I hosted a game before with him in it, he replaced in as scum and did a scum slip.

[Firebringer]

Firebringer and I can't both be town, I

highly

doubt the mod would put two of the same role in the setup.

Firebringer is afraid to 1v1 me because he knows he'll lose.

Dude, you are throwing.

[Firebringer]

Part of me says that Mafia is Shiro and has a role cop so knew Jake was a rolecop.

[Firebringer]

I want Expediance to vote one of you so I can prove I am conf town.

[Firebringer]

We

didn't claim rolecop though fire

@Expe

I don't think I did no.

P.edit

Lol Jake xD

Shiro.....lol

[Firebringer]

Part of me says that Mafia is Shiro and has a role cop so knew Jake was a rolecop.

You mean BP

Yes, I meant BP.

Mafia had a Rolecop so knew you were BP, so they would claim fast.
I don't know, hysteria on my part probably.

[Firebringer]

Mafia had a Rolecop

And you know that how?

I am a role cop! And I found the role cop!

Its you!

[Firebringer]

Wth? I am most definitely not a Rolecop.

Don't tell me you are his fucking partner fire >.>

lol, come on you know me better than this Shiro.

[Firebringer]

My feelings are officially hurt if Shiro is scum in this.

[Firebringer]

Shiro, you were going to try manipulate me to quickly lynch someone. That is so evil of you. Why didn't you just kil lme? That would be more merciful ;(

[Firebringer]

I never claimed BP...I softed it. Didn't I?

[Firebringer]

Shiro.....no you didn't lol.

[Firebringer]

Shiro don't lie to me, you weren't trying to pretended you investigated Wisdom.
Don't take me for a fool lol.

[Firebringer]

I remember in ika greater idea I was ww watcher and was trying to soft my result on scum I had.

After a bit TSO was lije

Shiro you did your best but even rocks have realised what you are softing so just say it

You are using your scum game to support your play in this game?
Uhhh lol?

[Firebringer]

You know what would be funny
If you both were actually BPs.

[Firebringer]

When the hell is Kush due for a prod on here?
Shiro, I am really really leaning on lynching you. Which I don't want to do, because I have been wrong on you a few too many times for my liking.

>.>

Also you are my friend. It hurts to lynch a friend >.>

No prods will be outed in first 48 hours of a day phase. He will be prodded if he doesn't post in 1 day and 3 hours. ~FA

[Firebringer]

We get it fire. You don't want to bus shiro in lylo. Enough with the dramatics.

lol, why you keep saying I am scum?
If you are town and so sure I am scum we are going to lose anyways.

Its still LYLO tomorrow if we succeed today.

[Firebringer]

I don't care at this point. Wisdom pissed me off, Jake is pisisng me off.
I have half a mind to vote one of you at random and call this a day.

[Firebringer]

Determining vote by RNG is banned anyways.

[Firebringer]

Frozen, can you just tell me who it is!
I promise not to use it to affect the game

[Firebringer]

Shiro I have some questions on why you townread me so hard.
Okay, you said "This seems like fires town game of I don't care what anyone thinks", and that you have read me right like 90% of the time.

I don't know if some of that is true right now. Or if it was just buddying.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Shiro

Gonna hate myself for a long time on this, but so many things are pointing to Shiro.
Shiro, I am sorry, really either way.

[Firebringer]

UNVOTE:

No, I am not ready for this yet.

[Firebringer]

What is pointing at me exactly? Like seriously don't fall for his AtE

Well, you saying that you were crumbing to be a investigative just doesn't seem right with me at all.
Also, Jake slipped his role (presumably) a bit with the BP comment about me.

Also your interactions with a few players incriminate you a bit. Like it seems you know peoples alignments easily to buddy them, like with Wisdom and me.

Then you have things like Masquerade kill, which I just went through her ISO.
I actually think that HEAVILY incriminates Jake though...so I don't know what to say on that...

[Firebringer]

Why would a masq kill incriminate me? That makes no sense

Masq had said quite a few times one of you and Wisdom was scum.
And was heavily questioning you throughout the game.

[Firebringer]

Yeah, Shiro cases are usually lackluster always. Thats kind of not indicative of anything.

[Firebringer]

Man this is seriously going to be longest game of Little Italy games I have played.

[Firebringer]

I think you put too much into a box of what town should do rather than what town does do.
But w/e.

[Firebringer]

Man this is seriously going to be longest game of Little Italy games I have played.

If you are town, prove me wrong here and put some effort into it. You aren't doing jack shit right now but messing around

The last person who pushed my buttons like this was Radiant Cowbells, i will never play in a game with him because of how he mentally abused me to get me to vote with him.

You push anymore, I will vote you and say "Fuck it"

[Firebringer]

i will never play in a game with him because of how he mentally abused me to get me to vote with him.

This isn't fair to say about Radiant >.>
But yeah, I felt really hurt by a lot of the shit he said.

Which I shouldn't have taken serious, it was just his typical AtE bs.

[Firebringer]

I don't care if you vote me. If you are town your play right now is atrocious

Okay:
VOTE: Jake from State Farm

[Firebringer]

And if you turn out to be town you just admitted to game throwing

I told you to stop using AtE on me and said I would vote you if you did it.
Have fun with calling it gamethrowing.

[Firebringer]

Lets assume you are town right now for sake of argument?

What do you gain by calling me bad?
What do you gain by saying that anyone calling you scum is terribad?

I mean you could be town, but this kind of mental manipulation is something I usually see from scum as of late, I think its a meta change.

I used to think only dicks were town, now, not so sure.

[Firebringer]

Well, you think me and Shiro are scum partners anyways, correct?
So why does it matter I am voting you?

Why do you want to convince 'scum' to vote scum?

You are just ridiculous.

[Firebringer]

Everyone alive at this point could easily be scum. None of you all have even put in half the effort trying to find scum. Sure I was wrong but my reasonings weren't. Kts deserved his lynch, snarky did too and wisdom should have been lynch also.

Too many people dumbing down their town games so they can be better scum players (this one is directed at wisdom)
You can write it off as AtE if you want but everything I'm saying is how I honestly feel.

And this is scummy.

You won't commit to a groupings. Or least likely pairings.
Its just EVERYONE IS POSSIBLE GUYS!

its protecting your teammate.

[Firebringer]

Like if you were town and Shiro was 100% scum you could say this:

Shiro/Firebringer
Shiro/Expediance
Shiro/Kush

Which is least likely? hmmmm not sure. Anyone can be scum.

[Firebringer]

Like right now, if Shiro is scum.
I think its Shiro/Kush over Shiro/Expediance.
Just my thoughts, but Expeidance seems to be simply too....w/e to be scum this game.

Like ridiculous.

[Firebringer]

At least Wisdom confidence and words came from the fact that he killed scum night 1.

You on the other hand has done nothing to justify such bs.

Yes I used my own scum hunting ability to justify actions. You didn't do any scum hunting at all so what's your excuse?

What scum hunting ability?

[Firebringer]

Everyone alive at this point could easily be scum. None of you all have even put in half the effort trying to find scum. Sure I was wrong but my reasonings weren't. Kts deserved his lynch, snarky did too and wisdom should have been lynch also.

Too many people dumbing down their town games so they can be better scum players (this one is directed at wisdom)
You can write it off as AtE if you want but everything I'm saying is how I honestly feel.

And this is scummy.

You won't commit to a groupings. Or least likely pairings.
Its just EVERYONE IS POSSIBLE GUYS!

its protecting your teammate.

I've already committed to a pairing. It's you and shiro.

Final answer!?!?!?!?!?

[Firebringer]

I think you confusing attacking peoples play for scumhunting.

Common misunderstanding.

[Firebringer]

OMG Frozen. This music......its really bringing me down.

[Firebringer]

But I can't stop listening either.....

[Firebringer]

It hasn't?
Feels like eternity.

I guess thats what a bad game will feel like anyways.
At least Shiro is making this game fun.

[Firebringer]

[Firebringer]

[Firebringer]

Fire, what was the point of claiming role cop after you already claimed VT?

And if he comes back and doesn't hammer. @expedience if you were scum reading fire why would you ask him to tell you who
Is scum?

It was a joke.

[Firebringer]

At least you proved your town.
That gives me a little ease.

That makes it so its either:
Kush/Jake
Kush/Shiro

[Firebringer]

We should lynch Kush.
UNVOTE:

[Firebringer]

Hmmm...That is true. You could be aligned with Jake and didn't hammer.

[Firebringer]

Well it rules out the possibilty you are aligned with Shiro.

[Firebringer]

We definitely shouldn't lynch Kush.

It's 1 / 3 rather than 1 / 2.

That?
you are saying theres only 2 scum total in this game?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Jake

[Firebringer]

Thanks for confirming what I already suspected

Thanks for being understanding.

[Firebringer]

It says it in Dier role that they have day talk?
Wow, I really thought you just slipped...

[Firebringer]

gg everyone!
Thanks for modding Frozen Angel.

I told Expediance that we should have voted Kush, but he was being stupid in these last game days.

Jake really didn't deserve his win, that AtE bullshit pissed me off, and was almost 80% of the reason I voted him over Shiro.

Shiro, I had a good feeling you were scum, but at least you weren't a dick.

[Firebringer]

Thanks for the game, FA.

Townies, reflect on your mistakes. Scum didn't win this because they played extraordinarily well, they won because we handed the win to them.

gg

Alot of truth in this.

Scum definitely didn't play amazing in this. We just fought each other too much to get anything done.

Shiro MVP for this game!

[Firebringer]

there was no ate bullshit though. Everything I said was the truth as I see it. You single handily cost town the game because you don't like to be called out for your bad play and that's unacceptable.

If you can't handle people telling you the truth in here, you are going to have a hard time in the real world.

p.edit - I think fire deserves scum mvp personally

I told you EXPLICITLY what I would do if you continue to insult me.
You continued anyway.

I really don't care if you saw at as truth. It was unnecessary, and I asked you to stop. You didn't anyway. I can accept people telling me truth in the real world, what I am not taking anymore is people just throwing insults at me to manipulate me in a fucking mafia game.

I can be insulted all day, IDGAF. I am done being manipulated like this by players.

I can show you a game of me breaking down post game because of manipulation like that. You are a asshole. You lost, learn from it like the rest of us and move on.

[Firebringer]

I must say thank you to FireBringer and Expediance who replaced into the game and filled the empty slots.

and I must apologize again from maestro for his earlier replacing. I prodded everyone but him in time. He got prodded 17 hours late and as i was in trip I miscalculated the time passed after his prod and simply replaced him out based on the Activity Overview not the actual time after I prodded him.

Thank you Frozen, you did a excellent job modding this game!
Any thoughts for my own improvement?

Don't let anyone tell you, that you were bad mod! You are great <3

[Firebringer]

I think you are deluding yourself here a bit.

You called me and Shiro scum team way before I even voted you.
If anything, I played better than you. I said it was probably Shiro/Kush. I only turned it over when you started doing AtE on me.

I highly suspected Expediance was town (though it was based of probably bad premises)

I can go back and pull a quote of you basically planning my lynch next day after Shiro.
We would have lost anyway.

[Firebringer]

FB other than your shitty hammer on farmer your play was not bad. Your claim WIFOM was pretty good; if it had succeeded I'd have caught scum killing you while we would have only lost a VT. The reason it didn't was said shitty hammer, of course. Scum weren't going to not keep you around after that. And then, don't vote people because of dislike, especially in lylo. Like, Jake was a dick, but he was obviously town if you looked hard enough. I know it's hard to take such bullshit and do nothing, but it's doable.

I have a problem that I get impatient with games and make bad decisions in the heat of the moment. Its something I have hard time fixing too because of how slow games are.

I am a person who is used to playing a game fast pace and making risky plays in just seconds. Its hard to translate that to forum mafia even given all my experience playing games (which is at a 100+)

[Firebringer]

Really upset you kept me alive Shiro.

[Firebringer]

So wait, was my theory about a mafia role cop, right?

[Firebringer]

nnn was a Mafia Joat ( 1 shot strongman - 1 shot neighborizer)
Shiro was Mafia 1 shot BP

lol, so Shiro wasn't lying

Theres a silver lining here

[Firebringer]

Shiro you are evil as scum. I thought we were friends ;(

[Firebringer]

Toothless now walks away.