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[Ircher]

Vote Count - Day 1 VC #16

Titus (0) -
Mhsmith (0) -
Huntress (1) - Max
Froot (0) -
Johnny (0) -
Max (2) - Froot, Titus
FA_Q2 (0) -
Shaddow (0) -
Nos (1) - Rosh
Plain (0) -
Lowell (1) - Nos
Clumsy (5) - Lowell, FA_Q2, Plain, Mhsmith, Shaddow
Rosh (1) - Huntress
No Lynch (0) -
Not Voting (2) - Clumsy, Johnny

Deadline

Day 1 will end on April 20 8:45 PM EST or in (expired on 2016-04-20 20:45:00).

Lynch Threshold

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Mod Notes

Clumsy will be V/LA til April 17.
Titus V/LA til April 19.
Shaddowez Weekend V/LA.
Deadline is at April 20, 2016 8:45 PM EST

[Nosferatu]

this is stagnant.

[Roshar]

Indeed.

@

Nosferatu,

(mhs and APF too if you can) what's your read on Max and him advocating Huntress for the lynch in 1077 (her only post with game content at the time of the scum read was 971 and Jeanne's 857 and 863) and then his subsequent vote on her a couple pages later? Last I remember you were giving Jake a town read (and he gave you a town read as well). I should add Max found Jeane suspicious in 939.


Just realized his post 1077 he didn't bother voting for either lynch candidates. Much conviction.


Back to this.


VOTE: Maxous

@Max, what happened to your APF scum read in 937? (I'm calling it a scum read ofc, b/c you advocated his lynch earlier).


Guys, deadline is nearing, let's reach common ground on this.

[Froot Loop]

I'm on my phone so I can't quote.

I think there's evidence that that inactivity was legitimate, rather than scum avoiding saying anything in the thread. Voting for clumsy for inactivity is now illegitimate for me.

Is that the only reasoning behind the wagon on clumsy? That would seem rather odd considering they seem to be the only wagon at this point.

Here are what I think are the posts with the main reasons for voting clumsy:

Lowell - post 674
Maverick/FA_Q2 - post 962
APF - post 964
mhsmith - post 977
Shaddowez - post 1003

There's more, particularly Lowell talking about clumsy's (lack of) scumreads and maverick has a previous vote on clumsy, but that's what I've got from seeing where they talked about clumsy in their ISOs.

There's a few reasons but I think a lot of them can be explained by his inactivity, which I think is genuine.

@mhsmith - ok. I've been thinking about how Max plays in general and had a quick look at some of his previous games yesterday. He's a little more quiet in this game and less definitive I think. I also haven't seen a scum game yet. All I need to do is find a game where he's replaced into a scum-slot under a decent amount of pressure and with some questionable play and it'll be fine :/

[Roshar]

I am thinking Max is scum here based on wagon jumping. The clumsy wagon remained static while people jumped off Max. If Clumsy is scum, there are hard core bussers there.

Who do you think out of the Clumsy wagon may be hardcore bussing and why?

[JohnnyFarrar]

this is stagnant.

You're stagnant.

Anybody wanna humor me with the short version of this game?

[a plain farmer]

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Nosferatu,

(mhs and APF too if you can) what's your read on Max and him advocating Huntress for the lynch in 1077 (her only post with game content at the time of the scum read was 971 and Jeanne's 857 and 863) and then his subsequent vote on her a couple pages later? Last I remember you were giving Jake a town read (and he gave you a town read as well). I should add Max found Jeane suspicious in 939.


Just realized his post 1077 he didn't bother voting for either lynch candidates. Much conviction.

I was also pinged by Jeanne's vote on Jake. I do believe her when she said she doesn't like tunnelers, but I don't think Jake had really been tunneling at the time. So one way to make sense of that post is to see it as scum pushing through a lynch using one's established preferences as cover. So of course I also buy Max's scumread of the slot as legitimate.

Anybody wanna humor me with the short version of this game?

In the beginning, there was an extended pregame in which there was some horseplay and I think Rosh was the most prevalent scumread.

Then the game started, and activity revolved around these 1v1s for a while:
Mhsmith vs Nos
Mhsmith vs Jake (now Max)
Maverick (now FA_Q2) vs Jake
Jake vs FA (now you)

That last one got toxic and a bunch of people were replaced and the activity has slowed down. Jake was the first big wagon, and now the second is Clumsy. For more on Clumsy's scumminess, look at the posts Froot linked to in 1153, especially 964.

[Maxous]

Huntress took a week to briefly explain one read and pop up with zero town-reads.

That's why i'm voting her

[JohnnyFarrar]

So you think that makes her scummier than all the shit farmboy presumably just linked me about Clumsy?

[Maxous]

yeah, I think Clumsy just over-committed to games and got lazy/unmotivated

[JohnnyFarrar]

Is that an assumption or have you looked into it?

[Maxous]

He was talking about it earlier in the thread and I felt it was genuine.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Gotcha. So if Huntress comes in and says the same? Both of them seem to be variations of "I'm voting this person for not posting."

[Maxous]

Gotcha. So if Huntress comes in and says the same?

well that would depend on wheter or not Huntress DOES say the same, for her defence.

[shaddowez]

UNVOTE:

Clumsy's reaction to L-1 seemed very town motivated. There's no reason for scum to attempt to give more information before they're lynched like that. That being said, he could just be trying to stall and clutter the thread so I'll wait to see what else he offers when he's back.

Huntress and Titus are both on my radar for their random "Here I am with some useless posts and no reasoning"

I have to re-read to see what I think about the current Maxous wagon. I don't remember exactly what right now, but something pinged me when I was going through it I didn't like.

[Lowell]

Lot of new people. Oof, it's like starting over. I'll get to this hopefully later today.

[Nosferatu]

@

Nosferatu,

(mhs and APF too if you can) what's your read on Max and him advocating Huntress for the lynch in 1077 (her only post with game content at the time of the scum read was 971 and Jeanne's 857 and 863) and then his subsequent vote on her a couple pages later? Last I remember you were giving Jake a town read (and he gave you a town read as well). I should add Max found Jeane suspicious in 939.

I still find the slot town, but I haven't reviewed my last game with max to look at tone yet.

[Clumsy]

I'm back from vacation, but working all day long today. I might be able to catch up and post tonight if I don't just go to sleep after work. If not, expect something from me tomorrow night.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Gotcha. So if Huntress comes in and says the same?

well that would depend on wheter or not Huntress DOES say the same, for her defence.

I mean my point here is 47 pages in and you're basically lurker lynching which seems weak to me.

Lot of new people. Oof, it's like starting over. I'll get to this hopefully later today.

Lowell baby don't get flaky on me

Rosh's 1152 looks like he's talking himself into something more than anything else

[Lowell]

Eh it's going to take more than a 47-page, go-nowhere first day to get me to flake, bub. At some point I'll be here to kill it. Just maybe not right now.

[Ircher]

Vote Count - Day 1 VC #17

Titus (0) -
Mhsmith (0) -
Huntress (1) - Max
Froot (0) -
Johnny (0) -
Max (3) - Froot, Titus, Rosh
FA_Q2 (0) -
Shaddow (0) -
Nos (0) -
Plain (0) -
Lowell (1) - Nos
Clumsy (4) - Lowell, FA_Q2, Plain, Mhsmith
Rosh (1) - Huntress
No Lynch (0) -
Not Voting (3) - Clumsy, Johnny, Shaddow

Deadline

Day 1 will end on April 20 8:45 PM EST or in (expired on 2016-04-20 20:45:00).

Lynch Threshold

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Mod Notes

Titus V/LA til April 19.

[Huntress]

In terms of 1033. Town would not analyze discussion like that. I don't read a discussion between a bunch of players and think, "this is a towny discussion". The lack of individual assortment reflects a scum state of mind. As scum you'd know everyone is town and looking for individual alignments isn't what you're doing.

That read more like a summary of his thoughts rather than an analysis to me. He gave the analysis later.

What parts of 891 and why?

Your comments on Jake's 521, 574 and 615 for a start. Compare them with his posts. It looks very much like you just don't like the way he plays and are calling him scummy for it.

B/c there's virtually nothing on the Kain Tepes slot, and your posts (whenever they come) have very little in them. A gut read at this point is giving us nothing. We can't analyze your slot nor hold you accountable to things you've said.

Gut reads are sometimes just a response to the tone of a player's posts. In your case I feel like you are looking to find fault rather than looking to find scum. I need to do a meta read on you to see how you usually play.

Also, no strong town reads? Not even one player? How do you view mhs or frozen? I find it really really hard to believe you don't have one decent town read.

I didn't say I had no town reads, just not strong ones. I'm reserving judgement on Frozen (and her successors) as she can look pretty townish as scum, but I haven't seen anything there to bother me yet, and mhs is one I'm still mulling over.

Huntress took a week to briefly explain one read and pop up with zero town-reads.

So taking the time to read the thread and giving my scums reads (plural, not just one) is scummy is it? Please explain that one for me. And why are you so concerned about my town reads?

[FA_Q2]

I am thinking Max is scum here based on wagon jumping. The clumsy wagon remained static while people jumped off Max. If Clumsy is scum, there are hard core bussers there.

Explain?

I do not see 'wagon jumping' at all. I barely see any voting at all. He voted once and gave a reason for it. Do you feel that reason is a lie? Why?

[Nosferatu]

I am thinking Max is scum here based on wagon jumping. The clumsy wagon remained static while people jumped off Max. If Clumsy is scum, there are hard core bussers there.

Explain?

I do not see 'wagon jumping' at all. I barely see any voting at all. He voted once and gave a reason for it. Do you feel that reason is a lie? Why?

I don't think she meant max was jumping, but people were jumping on and off max.

[FA_Q2]

I am thinking Max is scum here based on wagon jumping. The clumsy wagon remained static while people jumped off Max. If Clumsy is scum, there are hard core bussers there.

Explain?

I do not see 'wagon jumping' at all. I barely see any voting at all. He voted once and gave a reason for it. Do you feel that reason is a lie? Why?

I don't think she meant max was jumping, but people were jumping on and off max.

I see. That makes more sense though I think is a weaker argument against him. Going to have to look into that.