Mini 1782 Game Over

[Ircher]

Vote Count - Day 1 VC #18

Titus (0) -
Mhsmith (0) -
Huntress (1) - Max
Froot (0) -
Johnny (0) -

Max (4) (L-3) - Froot, Titus, Rosh, Clumsy

FA_Q2 (0) -
Shaddow (0) -
Nos (0) -
Plain (0) -
Lowell (1) - Nos

Clumsy (4) (L-3) - Lowell, FA_Q2, Plain, Mhsmith

Rosh (1) - Huntress
No Lynch (0) -
Not Voting (2) - Johnny, Shaddow

Deadline

Day 1 will end on April 20 8:45 PM EST or in (expired on 2016-04-20 20:45:00).

Lynch Threshold

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Mod Notes

Titus V/LA til April 19.

[Roshar]

Maybe I want to like around and

figure out her people out

. You know

like what I've been doing with frozen

?

Figure her people out? What does this mean to you? Because to me, he's saying he's trying to figure out 'her people", aka scum buddies.

What do I think of you? Null leaning scummy. The more you lie about me the scummier you become.

You can point out what's wrong with someone's case

without

scum reading them. He scum read mhs, frozen and now Maverick for calling him out.

What I see in that post is Jake trying to sort out mhs's motive for attacking him.

Obviously we see different things in that post.

[Roshar]

@Huntress, any reason why you're taking your time voting Max? With less than a day left?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Oh dang there's a deadline. I won't have time to catch up somebody tell me who to vote and why.

[Roshar]

aw, man Johnny.

ISO Maxous and Clumsy (both have very little posts).

All I can do is quote where I scum read both of them (if you want)

[a plain farmer]

Looking at the situation of this game, I'm confident the town will end up with a Clumsy caucus in the coming hours. Shaddow's a former Clumsy voter, Nos townreads Max, and Max himself I'd expect will also vote Clumsy if needed in a deadline rush. So let's make it official, shall we?

I was also pinged by Jeanne's vote on Jake. I do believe her when she said she doesn't like tunnelers, but I don't think Jake had really been tunneling at the time. So one way to make sense of that post is to see it as scum pushing through a lynch using one's established preferences as cover. So of course

I also buy Max's scumread of the slot as legitimate.

(my bold)

@APF - can you explain what you mean by 'legitimate'?

I mean that it doesn't look like a read that a scum just fudged for whatever purpose. I see where he's coming from, so if he's giving that read as scum, he's at least doing it in a way that accurately emulates what a townie might be thinking.

[a plain farmer]

And Johnny, you should vote for Clumsy. Here's why:

What are the cases on the two major wagons.

I'll let someone who scumreads the Jake/Max slot explain that case. But with Clumsy, it's basically that he hasn't been trying to figure out the game (also, his posts make me feel like he doesn't have a stake in figuring out the game), and he's also been laying low. A running theme of his posts is Information Instead Of Analysis, which is probably overrated as a scumtell, but with what Clumsy's shown so far it seems a particularly appropriate tell to use.

Posts from his ISO that pinged me:

34 - Musings on PLing Kain and the number of scum we can expect in the game.

132 - Discards an easy opportunity to probe Lowell and instead just chalks it up to egotism.

305 - Says he plans to ISO Rosh and I. Admittedly, we can't know for sure that he didn't follow through.

561 - I'll give him some credit for questioning Rosh here, even though it was kind of a layup. But the rest of the post feels like he wants to be heard saying stuff.

573 - Says stuff about how Jake should play, but not really anything to discern Jake's alignment or what Jake thinks the alignments of others are.

892...910 - Premature talk about when we should hammer.

932, 935 - Advancing the position that the mod's actions are not alignment indicative (I concur with him, but he seems to be taking great pains to present IIOA).

949 - I might be reaching here, but I get a feeling of "Look at me, I'm so town!" feeling from the way he makes sure we know he's putting the interests of the town ahead of his own survival.

[mhsmith0]

Ugh...

I was feeling better about Maxous when he was the first to unvote me and give time for everything + time for me to talk, but this does make it look a bit worse... but if it's going to be between me and him, even if I were 99% sure he was town... I'm 100% sure I am. So if that's the only other wagon, then yeah.

I'd also highlight this one specifically. "I'm voting max to survive but I definitely do NOT have any kind of opinion about his alignment". If that's a town process, I really struggle to see it.

[Maxous]

unvote, vote: Clumsy

[Huntress]

Figure her people out? What does this mean to you? Because to me, he's saying he's trying to figure out 'her people", aka scum buddies.

I read that as "figure other people out." It looks like a typo or autocorrect; that and the next sentence don't make sense otherwise.

You can point out what's wrong with someone's case without scum reading them. He scum read mhs, frozen and now Maverick for calling him out.

There's nothing wrong with suspecting someone's motives if their attack on you looks off. He explained his reads and why he moved his vote from mhs to Frozen.

@Huntress, any reason why you're taking your time voting Max? With less than a day left?

There was more than a day left when I made my last post so I was quite ok with leaving the vote till today. Call it a reluctance to vote the same way as my main scum read.

[Huntress]

Ugh...

I was feeling better about Maxous when he was the first to unvote me and give time for everything + time for me to talk, but this does make it look a bit worse... but if it's going to be between me and him, even if I were 99% sure he was town... I'm 100% sure I am. So if that's the only other wagon, then yeah.

I'd also highlight this one specifically. "I'm voting max to survive but I definitely do NOT have any kind of opinion about his alignment". If that's a town process, I really struggle to see it.

That's a bit of a misrep there. Clumsy has given his opinion on that slot a few times.


Anyone up for a flashwagon on Roshar? Or even Lowell? I'd really prefer to lynch them to either of the current wagons.

[Clumsy]

Ugh...

I was feeling better about Maxous when he was the first to unvote me and give time for everything + time for me to talk, but this does make it look a bit worse... but if it's going to be between me and him, even if I were 99% sure he was town... I'm 100% sure I am. So if that's the only other wagon, then yeah.

I'd also highlight this one specifically. "I'm voting max to survive but I definitely do NOT have any kind of opinion about his alignment". If that's a town process, I really struggle to see it.

This is a serious misrep. I explain how I feel directly in the post you quoted. I don't have NO opinion on Maxous. I was town reading Maxous originally. Recent events (that YOU pointed out) are starting to make me doubt that read. I know I'm town. I -THOUGHT- he was town. If I let myself die, that's 100% a town death. If we vote him, that's less than 100% a town death. The odds of a good outcome are better if I hang him than let myself get hung, because I know my alignment and I don't know his.

I don't know if it's normal for your games to have townies throwing themselves onto the campfire willingly, but trying to survive is not a scumtell in my book.

You're starting to worry my Mhs.

[Clumsy]

Ugh...

I was feeling better about Maxous when he was the first to unvote me and give time for everything + time for me to talk, but this does make it look a bit worse... but if it's going to be between me and him, even if I were 99% sure he was town... I'm 100% sure I am. So if that's the only other wagon, then yeah.

I'd also highlight this one specifically. "I'm voting max to survive but I definitely do NOT have any kind of opinion about his alignment". If that's a town process, I really struggle to see it.

That's a bit of a misrep there. Clumsy has given his opinion on that slot a few times.


Anyone up for a flashwagon on Roshar? Or even Lowell? I'd really prefer to lynch them to either of the current wagons.

More than a bit, but meh. About the flashwagon: I would definitely be okay with Lowell. I'm in the middle with Roshar. HOWEVER. We only have 11 hours. There's no guarantee that they would be on in those 11 hours, and if we don't get a claim, I would rather not lynch them. Without a claim called, I would rather be the one hung. (That said, that's a possible out for them so... XP)

[Ircher]

Prodding Shaddowez (2d 0h)

[Roshar]

Looking at the situation of this game, I'm confident the town will end up with a Clumsy caucus in the coming hours. Shaddow's a former Clumsy voter, Nos townreads Max, and Max himself I'd expect will also vote Clumsy if needed in a deadline rush. So let's make it official, shall we?

I was also pinged by Jeanne's vote on Jake. I do believe her when she said she doesn't like tunnelers, but I don't think Jake had really been tunneling at the time. So one way to make sense of that post is to see it as scum pushing through a lynch using one's established preferences as cover. So of course

I also buy Max's scumread of the slot as legitimate.

(my bold)

@APF - can you explain what you mean by 'legitimate'?

I mean that it doesn't look like a read that a scum just fudged for whatever purpose. I see where he's coming from, so if he's giving that read as scum, he's at least doing it in a way that accurately emulates what a townie might be thinking.

Shaddow found Clumsy's recent posts townish and expressed finding something off about Maxous. Nos, found the Clumsy wagon off. And Huntress also expressed more interest in Maxous.

[Roshar]

Clumsy, can you post a reads list on who you find scummy to town?

[Roshar]

@Huntress, any reason why you're taking your time voting Max? With less than a day left?

There was more than a day left when I made my last post so I was quite ok with leaving the vote till today. Call it a reluctance to vote the same way as my main scum read.

Yes, and now there's 10 hrs left.

[Clumsy]

{Johnny (Pisskop, FA),}
{Froot}
{FA_Q2 (Mav), Maxous (Jake), Nos, Shaddow}
{Titus (RC), Huntress (Kain, Jeanne), Roshar, Smith}
{APF, Lowell}

[Froot Loop]

Damn, I didn't realise that. I'm not sure I'll be on again before the deadline (it'll be around 7am my time.)

I think Max is the best lynch today (I've said it a few time :S) and I think there's enough support that I don't need to move it now.

[Nosferatu]

is there anyone here who thinks that lowell is town?

[Clumsy]

That's a good question actually.

[Roshar]

He's a town lean from me, why?

[Nosferatu]

why is he a town lean.

[Roshar]

{Johnny (Pisskop, FA),}
{Froot}
{FA_Q2 (Mav), Maxous (Jake), Nos, Shaddow}
{Titus (RC), Huntress (Kain, Jeanne), Roshar, Smith}
{APF, Lowell}

Can you explain why your reads on me and froot changed? Last I remember froot was coasting?

[Roshar]

B/c he plays similarly in his metas.