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[JohnnyFarrar]

Advocating Max's NKA. "There was no reason for Nos to be NK'd tbh " is just wrong. Maybe Nod crumbed or slipped. Maybe they had some power that revealed Nos's role. Maybe Nos seemed just a little too smart to let live (Nos has beat me before, I can attest). Maybe scum was comfortable so they just rolled some dice. You don't

know

(unless you're scum) so trying to make it seem like that kill tells you anything and then trying to push a lynch because of it is just stupid.

Scum do not have a N0/Dawn (pre-game) ability.
~Ircher

[Roshar]

Where did I try to push a lynch because of it?

My stance has always been it's stupid to try to get anything out of the NK (despite the fact that I can see how someone can reach that conclusion). Doesn't change the fact that it surprised me and made me wonder why they went for Nos.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I actually think this is a pretty decent explanation to why he voted Lowell.

So this is a decent explanation, but not a decent reason?

[Roshar]

Nos was a scum read from myself and frozen (earlier) and RC. So, that is why I'm mainly surprised. If they hadn't Nk'd her, I'd have probably continued my scum read on her.

Edit: Yes. I don't agree with it, but I can see how someone can view it that way.

[Lowell]

No but seriously if I were scum I definitely would have killed Nos. So yeah she's right about that.

But anyway, I'm not, and didn't, and actually the fact that she thought about this in this way says more about her scumminess than mine.

[Titus]

No but seriously if I were scum I definitely would have killed Nos. So yeah she's right about that.

But anyway, I'm not, and didn't, and actually the fact that she thought about this in this way says more about her scumminess than mine.

Why though? According to what you are saying if I unstand is scum!Lowell makes that kill, but you're scumreading Roshar for the possibility?

Also which posts were you referencing earlier?

[Roshar]

The confbias has begun.

Tunnel away Lowell.

[Roshar]

No but seriously if I were scum I definitely would have killed Nos.

So yeah she's right about that

.

Where did I say this?

[Ircher]

Vote Count - Day 2 VC #5

Titus (0) -
Mhsmith (0) -
Huntress (0) -
Froot (0) -
Johnny (1) - FA_Q2
Max (1) - Titus
FA_Q2 (0) -
Shaddow (0) -
Plain (0) -
Lowell (2) - Max, Plain
Rosh (2) - Huntress, Lowell
No Lynch (0) -
Not Voting (5) - Shaddow, Froot, Mhsmith, Johnny, Rosh

Deadline

Day 2 will end on May 2 5:30 PM EST or in (expired on 2016-05-02 17:30:00).

Lynch Threshold

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Mod Notes

Shaddowez requested replacement.

[Roshar]

@Johnny, where did I say, "there was no reason for Nos to be NK'd tbh"?

Please be more accurate next time.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I saw you respond once to the idea when I posited it here, but that was hardly a defense from the accusation.

Don't worry about it.
I was tired and being a bit snippy.
Maybe I wasn't clear before but I think it's scummy because she has struggled to come up with content to give. I don't think it's case where she's just lurking, I think suspect she

can't

come up with much which would indicate a scum struggling with the game.

i'll vote lowell though because i'm really not inclined to just ignore the nos night-kill.
People will argue WIFOM but nos was not an obvious kill nor a universal strong town-read so i'm inclined to think there was a particular reason for it.
Not like Lowell has been a shining beacon of town play regardless

vote: lowell

I actually think this is a pretty decent explanation to why he voted Lowell.

There was no reason for Nos to be NK'd tbh

(unless I missed a crumb) and while Max and I clearly disagree on if this implicates Lowell or not, I can see how someone can reach that conclusion.

Titus, you then posted this:

@Maxous, I don't see how.

Why are you voting Lowell out if wifom and not Huntress who you have a scumread on based on play?

For someone who was avidly trying to sort Max, how did you miss this:

I would say the nosferatu kill would implicate Lowell the most to be honest.
He was the only person nos was really against.

I'm with this thinking, and I take the blame.

VOTE: max

^
This was a pretty poor vote anyway.
sheeping titus and "taking blame" for a mislynch he didn't actually hard-push sounds off.

[Ircher]

FA_Q2 was prodded (2d 0h)

[Roshar]

Maybe scum was comfortable so they just rolled some dice.

To NK someone who had multiple scum reads and who turns out to be a PR. I think this was a more intelligent kill.

Edit:Whoops, my bad.

[Titus]

@Johnny, who is that to?

[Roshar]

myself. I was asking where I said that particular quote

[Roshar]

You don't know (unless you're scum) so trying to make it seem like that kill tells you anything and then trying to push a lynch because of it is just stupid.

You're going to have to explain where exactly I did those two things.

Maybe Nod crumbed or slipped.

Have you even read my previous posts? That was my main suspicion.

[JohnnyFarrar]

You're saying it's understandable and even OK that Max is doing exactly that. It's why I led with you are "advocating Max"

[Roshar]

The fact that I can see why he'd jump to that reason does not equal 1) me agreeing to it (as I have clarified multiple times) 2) I'm trying to push a Lowell lynch.

[JohnnyFarrar]

So then what's the point of saying "I understand why you did this dumb thing?" Either you think Max is town and want him to do better or you think he's scum and you call him out on it, treating his dumb thing like a zoo exhibit is really only telling him "Hey I see what you're doing and I don't have a problem with it"

[Roshar]

Because some people do try to analyze NK's. Again, the Nos kill came out of nowhere. The first knee jerk reaction may be to look at who Nos voted/scum read before they died. A lot of town votes are stupid and I don't agree with them. My concern was not with Max reaching a 'dumb' conclusion, it's with people's over-reaction to his every post. That is what's making my rethink my Max read.

[Ircher]

Leaving a note that mhsmith is due a prod in about 30mins (1d 23h)

[Huntress]

you have literally only elaborated on one read.

I'm only pushing one read at the moment. The others are sitting on the back burner because I want to reread some stuff in context first and then update my reads. I should be able to do some of that tomorrow.

[mhsmith0]

Yes, I'm here. Not really what to think of Roshar's stuff lately. Need to re-read her ISO.

on a related note, given that we're talking about Nos (sort of), does anyone want to claim being her neighbor? It's obvious that someone was her neighbor; I haven't played much with neighbor mechanics before, so I don't know if it does or doesn't make sense for anyone to step forward on that front. If you presume she was an SPK, then it seems reasonable that she may have said something interesting or useful in neighbor chat that's worth sharing with the board.

PS I'll admit that I'm having some trouble making reads in this game. Partially because I don't want to slog through the prolonged mess portion of the game, partially because some other stuff has been higher priority lately. I'll re-read this evening and try to have something useful to say, hopefully tonight, MAYBE tomorrow night.

[JohnnyFarrar]

DO NOT

Absolutely no reason reason to claim neighbor and paint a target on your back.

[Titus]

DO NOT

Absolutely no reason reason to claim neighbor and paint a target on your back.

Why are you supposing the neighbor or neighbors is/are town?