Open 634: Sharing is Caring (Game Over)

[chilledtea]

Sure. Makes sense.

[chilledtea]

If it was a move to save time, it did make sense.

[Persivul]

Also you are right that I would buy it.

You saying that means that a no lynch is effectively a Pers lynch. You two need to come to a conclusion today. A NL would be a waste of time.

[chilledtea]

You think scum-cakes would kill anen over me?

[Persivul]

Let's see...you just said that in a me-you-cakez lylo you would lynch me. Anen is at least somewhat conflicted. So, yes, cakez would now obviously kill anen.

[chilledtea]

True. I guess now anen is just as much as confirmed town as I am.

This is ultimately wifom territory though and I won't really put much into it regardless of who gets nk'd. I mean scum-pers will go through a gambit if that is the only thing he can do.

[chilledtea]

Cakes you better be here and respond to pers. Taking this game to day 6 with a no lynch will make it very, very difficult to town, just remember it. Either me or anen will die, and then the option will be again between you and pers and it won't be easy.

[chilledtea]

If cakes is scum he is played like a legend here. I am unable to find even one thing against him that is concrete - the strongest tell against him was shotty asking what's his problem.

[Persivul]

Rather, you're

unwilling to see

one thing against him. He's played a good game, but if it were legendary, it would have been over some time ago. You're not getting off the hook that easy. You should be struggling with this more. Don't act like this is some legendary scum performance and so it's not your fault if you get it wrong. That's bullshit. I'm not saying it's an easy call. As I admitted in 1068, "I had started a PBPA on Cakez, but when looking at my own ISO, most of the points on Cakez also applied to me, so I dropped it." Anen's observation was good: "My problem is. Persivul doesn't look more town than he did. SirCakez looks more scum than he did." I know I don't look all townie, but neither does cakez. You're fooling yourself to say otherwise.

Actually, if you had struggled with it more but then sided with cakez, I wouldn't have protested as much, and would probably be lynched by now. But you continually saying that there's nothing at all scummy about cakez pissed me off and renewed my interest.

Confirmation bias is a real thing. It's not just a mafia thing, it's a human thing. In order to improve in mafia you'll need to be able to recognize when you're doing it, and learn how to break out of it.

Cakez would have had a very good game (but not legendary - let's not get carried away) except for one thing - Anen and I were also both early on the shotty wagon, so in the end he doesn't get the town cred he clearly wanted from that lynch. But, they had to take out the PRs, so here we are. If either me or Anen had not been on that lynch, this would have gone much more smoothly for him.

[Persivul]

Whatver your still getting shot, and it's because you are pushing persivul with kuroi and not because you scum slipped. I can't trust scum slips from you people sometimes because VT's are always trying to work on their scum game...

Sure. You can shoot me. However, it is your responsibility ultimately, not mine.

Same thing applies here. You don't get to claim that you couldn't help but to side with cakez because he's some scum mastermind. Your vote is your responsibility.

[chilledtea]

Oh wow.

UNVOTE: persivul

Give me a reason then. I am all ears as to why cakes is scum.

Edited to use unvote tag so the vote counter picks it up.

[SirCakez]

Yo I'll be here in about two hours as I'm currently stuck on the worlds worst service.
I see Persivul has thrown out a bunch of posts so will deal with them then.

[chilledtea]

Those posts from persivul felt town. We need to take a more closer look at everything.

[chilledtea]

I re-read everything from day 2 and paid special attention to the ISO's of all of you guys. That is not struggling enough?

[Persivul]

Oh wow.

unvote : persivul

Give me a reason then. I am all ears as to why cakes is scum.

Check my ISO analysis of him. There's plenty of reasons there. You just haven't listened.

[chilledtea]

There is one hundred things that make me suspicious of you, and it isn't like cakes just coasted along, his activity throughout the game actually made sense.

Pers, if you are town you need to find something that incriminates cakes and you are in the best position to do so.

Pedit : I did see the ISO analysis, there doesn't seem to be much which incriminates him. It seems more subjective than objective.

[Persivul]

I re-read everything from day 2 and paid special attention to the ISO's of all of you guys. That is not struggling enough?

No, it's not. For example, consider that a D1 early position busser would likely push in order to get town cred. Cakez did push repeatedly, even though he had made a better case on me than he had on shotty. When I point that out, you just blow it off by saying there's different kinds of bussing. Yes, there are, but some are much more likely in certain circumstances than others. You haven't shown that you've considered that. That's not struggling with the evidence - that's ignoring the evidence that goes against your theory in hand.

[chilledtea]

Anen, I want to know whether the act of wgeurtz thinking of policy lynching the confirmed vig (if he shot wgeurtz) was suspicious to you - or non alignment indicative?

[Persivul]

There is one hundred things that make me suspicious of you, and it isn't like cakes just coasted along, his activity throughout the game actually made sense.

Now that we know that one of us bussed shotty, show me how cakez' push on shotty makes sense.

[davesaz]

Official Vote Count

SirCakez

(1): Persivul

Persivul

(1): SirCakez

Not Voting

(2): Aneninen, chilledtea

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-05-14 00:01:30)

Note: I will be on mobile and mostly away from about 3pm today to 6pm tomorrow (UTC-7).

[chilledtea]

I re-read everything from day 2 and paid special attention to the ISO's of all of you guys. That is not struggling enough?

No, it's not. For example, consider that a D1 early position busser would likely push in order to get town cred. Cakez did push repeatedly, even though he had made a better case on me than he had on shotty. When I point that out, you just blow it off by saying there's different kinds of bussing. Yes, there are, but some are much more likely in certain circumstances than others. You haven't shown that you've considered that. That's not struggling with the evidence - that's ignoring the evidence that goes against your theory in hand.

This is definitely true.

[chilledtea]

Pers's conversation with me feels town.

Cakes has been reluctant to have a conversation and do anything drastic. I really don't like that. Him not voting pers felt like he was waiting for anen to follow through as well.

This game is not easy, I think I might have said this a 100 times already.

[SirCakez]

Alternatively you just kill Chilled who is pressuring you much more then Anen and have a much easier win in 3p LyLo with Anen as Anen is questioning himself on me.

A chilled kill would be NAI for me, as it's to my benefit but also the logical play as he's the conftown.

There would be no reason for me to kill Anen.

First off Anen is confirmed town so that's false
A Chilled kill would 100% point to you. He's the one who has been focused on you consistently while Anen is reevaluating.

[SirCakez]

Anen I didn't respond to your ISO because it was mostly commentary and not faked analysis intended to misrep like Persivul's "ISO".

Whut?!

Cakes why are you not voting pers if you are town reading anen?

Good point
VOTE: Persivul

Paranoia is shared.

My problem is. Persivul doesn't look more town than he did. SirCakez looks more scum than he did.

A lot of the ISO was things like, "moving back and forth between Blade and Shotty" for example. I could go through the ISO if you think it would help.

[SirCakez]

Let's see...you just said that in a me-you-cakez lylo you would lynch me. Anen is at least somewhat conflicted. So, yes, cakez would now obviously kill anen.

And this goes back and contradicts what he just said earlier about the Chilled kill being NAI. If I would "obviously kill Anen" then a kill on Chilled would automatically point to Persivul.