kuribo in Wonderland - [Game Over]

[Axelrod]

Incidentally, this is one of the parts of Godz vs. Antihero that I agree with Godz about

is zakk usually this cloyingly shitick-ish?

if you read my comments about zakk, you could probably glean from context that it's a meta-based read since i mentioned a previous game and mentioned that he put different levels of effort into being charismatic in both these games. i also have a couple reads in my back pocket that i'm holding off on even introducing to the threat yet (precisely because i can't articulate them and dont know if they're shit or not; this is why i said i have a "couple" ideas for shots).

if you asked me to elaborate on my zakk read, i could site specific posts (like Post 76 and Post 238) that pinged me. i wouldn't just say "welp, i just think he's scum." and i haven't done that.

Anti's asking about Zakk in the first post. Asking about his "meta." And then, in the second post, saying he's got a meta-based read on Zakk.

So, what's up with that? You know his meta or don't you?

[Brian Skies]

I didn't like Bro's entrance. He discredited Kats and most of the basis I've seen from him is based on some outside feud that seems to only exist for Bro. His support for fate felt mostly like pandering. I also felt that I can kinda see why other people suspect me, whereas he's mostly latched onto the idea that I've only focused on setup theory, which isn't the case as I've been looking for people's mindsets regarding the current setup, jabbed at Camn's early reads, and pressed Kats for his preferred lynches early on. I don't know if he just views me as an easy lynch or was just glazing over my posts. I also haven't really seen anything in his posting to make me think he's town.

Yeah I feel like have to address this b/c it's pretty terrible:

1) It wasn't a discredit - it's me being honest. I don't see a world where Katsuki doesn't shoot me first. If people are fine with that, they can vote for him.

2) My support for Fate has to do with who, as town, has the best relative reads day 1. Fate's really, really fucking good, especially early on.

3) I was the first person, IIRC, to bring up the "holy fuck he's literally only talked about setup theory." I've also only mentioned that at points where it was true. It's no longer true at this point.

1) I have no idea who Kats would shoot considering he's avoided talking about it at all. But I don't see why he would policy shoot anyone. And this isn't what you said when you entered the thread. You said you didn't think he could hit scum.

2) While this may be true, I feel like you're also disregarding any possibility that Fate could've been scum (you're not the only one who jumped to support him, but you were the one who helped trigger his wagon).

3) Okay, fair enough. For some reason I thought Spiffeh or someone else said it first.

[Antihero]

3) meta's part of it, but i have a sample of size of 1 so i asked. even w/o meta, zakk ingratiating himself the way he is rubs me entirely the wrong way. it just stood out to me even more b/c i didn't see it before in his town game.

[Katsuki]

Hoooo this game is starting to get real interesting.

[Katsuki]

They certainly haven't done anything to establish their townness yet. Katsuki in particular hasn't done anything at all except ask to be the King. I gather he's getting votes because people have respect for him in general. Which, fine, but I do not have that yet. And I have zero reason to trust their judgement.

With you, I at least have a read (not that I am voting you yet, but I would over either of them atm).

I'll note that I'm a site-renowned VI. That should answer your earlier question with regards to what I've done thus far (nothing in particular aside from sitting here looking pretty).

[Katsuki]

This would also be a good time to state that while I'm never going to publicly state my shot target, whoever it ends up being should not be a surprise.

[G[o]dz]

I did get something out of it.

Oh? What?

[Axelrod]

3) meta's part of it, but i have a sample of size of 1 so i asked. even w/o meta, zakk ingratiating himself the way he is rubs me entirely the wrong way. it just stood out to me even more b/c i didn't see it before in his town game.

eh, this kind of feels like a retcon. You didn't say meta was just "part of it" at the time.

[Katsuki]

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Who do you think I'm going to shoot?

Assuming you're scum, probably town player X, where X is a kill you think people will give you the least flak for when it happens. If Antihero happens to be town, I don't expect you're going to shoot him because you're worried about the backlash you might receive for it, given the divided opinions on whether he's "obviously town" or not. If he's scum, it depends on whether you think there's a benefit in shooting him.

If you were town, then I dunno. You might shoot Antihero or you might shoot someone you're more confident about.

To be honest, while I wouldn't shed a single tear at Antihero dying D1, a less controversial pick isn't necessarily the worst option. Who specifically, I would have to think about it.

Well, out of my pool thus far, there's probably only 1 shot that may draw flak should I end up being wrong. So I guess I am setting myself up pretty well as scum.

Do let me know on the "who specifically", so long it's not me.

[Brian Skies]

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dz post_id=7934616 time=1463807163 user_id=15399 post_num=272]There are four scums (don't ask me how I know this, I am psycho). I think Antihero and Kastuki could be two of them but I am not very confident in many reads yet.

If you think Kats is scummy, why haven't you moved your vote?

Indeed.

This isn't an answer.

[Axelrod]

They certainly haven't done anything to establish their townness yet. Katsuki in particular hasn't done anything at all except ask to be the King. I gather he's getting votes because people have respect for him in general. Which, fine, but I do not have that yet. And I have zero reason to trust their judgement.

With you, I at least have a read (not that I am voting you yet, but I would over either of them atm).

I'll note that I'm a site-renowned VI. That should answer your earlier question with regards to what I've done thus far (nothing in particular aside from sitting here looking pretty).

Remind me what "VI" is.

This would also be a good time to state that while I'm never going to publicly state my shot target, whoever it ends up being should not be a surprise.

Then you are pretty much never getting my vote. Why does it need to be secret?

[Katsuki]

Please do something to show you deserve to be our king, Katsuki?

SHOULD I BECOME SUPREME OVERLORD
I SHALL BESTOW UPON MY LOYAL FOLLOWERS URANIUM RAIDING FLEETS
AND HOOKERS FOR ALL

[Axelrod]

Thing is, Katsuki, if you're scum, you are going to pretty much

always

be able to justify a shot on a townie. There's always plenty of (incorrect) suspicions running around.

[Katsuki]

They certainly haven't done anything to establish their townness yet. Katsuki in particular hasn't done anything at all except ask to be the King. I gather he's getting votes because people have respect for him in general. Which, fine, but I do not have that yet. And I have zero reason to trust their judgement.

With you, I at least have a read (not that I am voting you yet, but I would over either of them atm).

I'll note that I'm a site-renowned VI. That should answer your earlier question with regards to what I've done thus far (nothing in particular aside from sitting here looking pretty).

Remind me what "VI" is.

This would also be a good time to state that while I'm never going to publicly state my shot target, whoever it ends up being should not be a surprise.

Then you are pretty much never getting my vote. Why does it need to be secret?

VI = Village Idiot aka Bad@Mafia

and that's ok you don't seem like the type of player who'd vote me anyways.

[Axelrod]

Really?

Why are we voting for a well known bad-at-mafia player?

I assumed it was out of respect for your awesome scum-hunting abilities or something.

[Katsuki]

Thing is, Katsuki, if you're scum, you are going to pretty much

always

be able to justify a shot on a townie. There's always plenty of (incorrect) suspicions running around.

Ok.

This is pretty much a "what if" discussion, which I find particularly boring. It's essentially something I'd probably be doing as either alignment so unless you're trying to go somewhere with this, there's not really any value in wasting words over it.

Not to mention, day's not even ending yet so there's absolutely no read for me to state anything at this point even if I were going to state anything.

[G[o]dz]

I'll note that I'm a site-renowned VI.

You're a VI? I would never have been able to tell from your well-written posts and like of cupcakes, Kastuki.

[Axelrod]

Also, you didn't answer why you won't publicly state your shot? Seems like that gives you an awful lot of leeway to be wrong.

[Katsuki]

Really?

Why are we voting for a well known bad-at-mafia player?

I assumed it was out of respect for your awesome scum-hunting abilities or something.

I'm quite charming I must say.

[Antihero]

Well, out of my pool thus far, there's probably only 1 shot that may draw flak should I end up being wrong. So I guess I am setting myself up pretty well as scum.

go ahead, i'm not really having any fun

[Katsuki]

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I'll note that I'm a site-renowned VI.

You're a VI? I would never have been able to tell from your well-written posts and like of cupcakes, Kastuki.

Perhaps the cupcakes are the key attraction of this platform.

[Katsuki]

Also, you didn't answer why you won't publicly state your shot? Seems like that gives you an awful lot of leeway to be wrong.

I did answer. Why do you think it's imperative for me to state it now, at this particular moment in time?

[Katsuki]

Well, out of my pool thus far, there's probably only 1 shot that may draw flak should I end up being wrong. So I guess I am setting myself up pretty well as scum.

go ahead, i'm not really having any fun

Well granted that I do have more than enough reason for shooting you for spurning me, but that aside, I don't think I'd draw much flak if I were to shoot you (sorry anti!)

[Axelrod]

Also, you didn't answer why you won't publicly state your shot? Seems like that gives you an awful lot of leeway to be wrong.

I did answer. Why do you think it's imperative for me to state it now, at this particular moment in time?

You did answer what?

I'm not asking you to say who you would shoot right now. I am asking you why you said that you will "never" say who you will shoot ahead of time. Like as a policy.

This would also be a good time to state that while I'm never going to publicly state my shot target, whoever it ends up being should not be a surprise.

Did you answer that?

[camn]

dz post_id=7939132 time=1463972624 user_id=15399 post_num=741]You're a VI? I would never have been able to tell from your well-written posts and like of cupcakes, Kastuki.

I know - its been lucid-Katsuki this game. I love it.