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@Titus
– why are you doing nothing this game and why shouldn’t Burden of Proficiency be aimed right at you and Ranger if you think it is a valid tell?
In post 2190, Nosferatu wrote:Team is Kill + Titus + [rach, ollie]
Or Ranger is scum.
With this outline pretty sure I'm cool no lynching.
VOTE: No Lynch
Nope. We aren’t just going to No Lynch when the pretty much all reason says any Nightkill that goes through isn’t going to resolve the “Is Ranger Scum” question leaving us in LYLO lynching her instead of MYLO. At least lynching her today gives a chance to block the kill if she isn’t scum. Tomorrow that chance immediately ends the game if we are in LYLO.
In post 2181, Imperium wrote:The point that Rach (and everyone else) is making that you were hammering when your life was in danger and that's scummy.
Stop saying this. Self-preservation is in and of itself Null. No player who is playing to their wincon should not hammer an alternate wagon they claim to be scum-reading if they think the alternative is their own lynch. That is the worst possible reason to scum read Ranger as there are literal tons of other reasons to do so this game.
In post 2152, Imperium wrote:My problem with the KTS case is less that I think that his actions make sense from a normal town perspective and more that I'm not currently willing to put my weight behind the scum case on him. I don't think that hammer on CoM to move onto better scumhunting was scummy; I didn't think that KTS as scum needed to hammer that wagon in order to get CoM lynched, and I'm not sure that he would hammer someone that he publicly thought he was town in order to get a lynch that was guaranteed anyways instead of just shutting his mouth and accepting the free town cred.
I assume in the above you mean the hammer of Snarky not CoM since CoM self-hammered. Frankly the whole “why would he do it as scum” argument leaves me cold when there is also no logical “why would he do it as Town” that isn’t answered anyway other than just bad play. Bad play isn’t alignment indicative. That and the fact that he did no scum-hunting after the fact just derped along until it was time to jump on the Masq mislynch with terrible reasoning.
In post 2163, Imperium wrote:I'd be happier if you didn't do this; I'm currently townreading both Nosferatu and RachMarie (who are in your top 2), and Ranger's responses to me haven't been at all what I expected if she was scum (granted, I'm not exactly confident that she is town but with the way this game is going I think we'd be dumb not to pretty heavily consider the possibility), and I'd like a little bit more time in order to talk this out with you.
Um were you not the person who started the day telling me that a Ranger lynch was the only logicial way today plays out when I started calling out the obv-scum quickwagon? I’m not exactly sure why you are flip-flopping around on this so much.
In post 2176, Imperium wrote:Could you explain your Ollie read in more detail?
I thought that his Day 1 looked decent, but I haven't seen anything worth a townread since then.
It mostly revolved around the way they all have handled Ranger all game.
We’ve been over why kill’s sudden flip is scummy.
Rach’s slot has done little to suspect Ranger. I briefly got Ocean onto a Ranger counter-wagon to Snarky Day 2 but he jumped off for incredibly stupid reasons and they pre-flip tried to pin me as the most obvious scum based on how the mislynch went. Either Ocean is terrible and very mistaken about his level of competence or that’s pure scum 101 play. And Rach to my memory said little about Ranger. A quick ISO of her shows the following gem -
1925. Before today’s start it was her only mention of Ranger.
Ollie’s read was most strongly based on the fact that he stayed with the Ranger wagon Day 2.
"I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
Pretty much Geriatric game restricted at this point ... unless there are players I REALLY want to play with.