Open 638: Friends and Enemies! (And Enemies!) - GAME OVER!

[karnos]

I'll come out with my thoughts and claim.

I am not a mason. VT all the way. I suspect Ozy and Kop are the masons, but I think charloux could also be the 3rd mason instead of kop. I was unsure about creature, but based on what he said above I don't see any chance of him being the other mason.

So from my PoV, charloux kop and creature are my choices for potential scum.

I think claims are the correct play: if we don't win today and if the scum kill a mason, the last mason loses all value if he didn't already claim & confirm today.

[Charloux]

I think Kop and Ozy are masons; Creature was a townread of mine, which leaves only Karnos as scum since i know my role

[Creature]

Let's see:

So then both claimers get lynched and you've traded a scum for a mason which is a bad trade for the scum.

In a normal game, sure. In this game, one scum faction comes out clearly ahead in such an exchange.

Maybe it's still overall good for town, but it's even better for town if the 3 masons can drive a lynch into KTS without directly coming out, isn't it?

Whatever, just forget I brought it up. I think most likely KTS is indeed what he says he is.
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Back to scum hunting, I'm truly puzzled at the "kop is town" reads. Hiding so much is more often than not a scum tactic. And if kop does it every game, that certainly isn't indicative of him being town, it's just a null indication. So far ranger and KTS are the two pushing the idea that kop is obvious town...

Between the two, I trust ranger a bit less, especially given the recent discussion on KTS' role. Gotta put my vote where my mouth is-

VOTE: ranger

Obviously subject to change if anything comes out against KTS.

This game just tuned up a notch, Is this going to be massclaim day 1? (It's a rhetorical question, don't claim based on my post please)

I'll trust KTS is being honest, since if you aren't it would be a quick end when the real masons counter claim you.

UNVOTE: ranger
VOTE: kop

I just want some discussion, I am not trying to lynch kop just yet, I am just calling BS on the whole "hiding is normal and he is town" thing. There is no reason for town to hide.

kop is also mason, please unvote

Really?

kop isnt a mason but me and ranger r

Really?

Fine.

UNVOTE: kop

VOTE: Killthestory

You story just doesn't make sense anymore. I think you are scum. If your claims are true, I'm sure ranger and kop will rush to your support and lynch me, but at this point I'll take that risk.

[Ozymandias]

We are going to have a confirmed Town in LYLO, no matter if Masons claim or they don't.

If the Mason claim gets counterclaimed, it means one VT is confirmed in LYLO, otherwise the mason is confirmed.

Having Masons claim is irrelevant.

[Ozymandias]

I think Kop and Ozy are masons; Creature was a townread of mine, which leaves only Karnos as scum since i know my role

Alright, he was a townread, but what about now?

[Ozymandias]

Also, since I don't think anyone here is dumb enough to not have figured out I am mason; yeah, I am a Mason.

No need to reveal the second.

[Ozymandias]

Kill agreed with me that it's Creature, by the way.

[Ozymandias]

Let's see:

So then both claimers get lynched and you've traded a scum for a mason which is a bad trade for the scum.

In a normal game, sure. In this game, one scum faction comes out clearly ahead in such an exchange.

Maybe it's still overall good for town, but it's even better for town if the 3 masons can drive a lynch into KTS without directly coming out, isn't it?

Whatever, just forget I brought it up. I think most likely KTS is indeed what he says he is.
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Back to scum hunting, I'm truly puzzled at the "kop is town" reads. Hiding so much is more often than not a scum tactic. And if kop does it every game, that certainly isn't indicative of him being town, it's just a null indication. So far ranger and KTS are the two pushing the idea that kop is obvious town...

Between the two, I trust ranger a bit less, especially given the recent discussion on KTS' role. Gotta put my vote where my mouth is-

VOTE: ranger

Obviously subject to change if anything comes out against KTS.

This game just tuned up a notch, Is this going to be massclaim day 1? (It's a rhetorical question, don't claim based on my post please)

I'll trust KTS is being honest, since if you aren't it would be a quick end when the real masons counter claim you.

UNVOTE: ranger
VOTE: kop

I just want some discussion, I am not trying to lynch kop just yet, I am just calling BS on the whole "hiding is normal and he is town" thing. There is no reason for town to hide.

kop is also mason, please unvote

Really?

kop isnt a mason but me and ranger r

Really?

Fine.

UNVOTE: kop

VOTE: Killthestory

You story just doesn't make sense anymore. I think you are scum. If your claims are true, I'm sure ranger and kop will rush to your support and lynch me, but at this point I'll take that risk.

And what is scummy about those posts?

[Ozymandias]

I'll come out with my thoughts and claim.

I am not a mason. VT all the way. I suspect Ozy and Kop are the masons, but I think charloux could also be the 3rd mason instead of kop. I was unsure about creature, but based on what he said above I don't see any chance of him being the other mason.

So from my PoV, charloux kop and creature are my choices for potential scum.

I think claims are the correct play: if we don't win today and if the scum kill a mason, the last mason loses all value if he didn't already claim & confirm today.

When did you suspect I was a Mason?

[Charloux]

I think Kop and Ozy are masons; Creature was a townread of mine, which leaves only Karnos as scum since i know my role

Alright, he was a townread, but what about now?

Well i like him enough that i'd lynch Karnos over him, but i would vote for creature in lylo so i don't really care who is lynched first.

[Creature]

Ozymandias

In the first post he just said he trusted Ranger less, but also stated he was subject to change.

In the second post he believes KTS and changes his vote to Kop, but this time with a reasoning (even if it looks weak). He didn't look to be wanting to change.

In the third post he distrusted KTS when he said Kop was also a mason.

[Ozymandias]

Ozymandias

In the first post he just said he trusted Ranger less, but also stated he was subject to change.

In the second post he believes KTS and changes his vote to Kop, but this time with a reasoning (even if it looks weak). He didn't look to be wanting to change.

In the third post he distrusted KTS when he said Kop was also a mason.

He has the same approach to the Ranger vote as he has with the Kop vote and him and Kop can't be both scum. He has that overly cautious playstyle which throws me off a bit, but it's not alignment indicative for him.

Obviously he believes KTS, why would he not believe someone claiming Mason D1? It would be suicide for scum.

Last point is actually townie, he gave good reason to distrust KTS. Or do you think they were not good reasons?

[Ozymandias]

reasons*

[Ozymandias]

UNVOTE: Creature

Could you put your vote down on Creature, Charloux?

[Charloux]

Yeah sure *puts his vote on creature*, now what?

[Creature]

Last point is actually townie, he gave good reason to distrust KTS. Or do you think they were not good reasons?

I don't see any reason. I just see him reacting with "Really?" and saying Ranger and Kop must support KTS and lynch him.

[Ozymandias]

Creature gets always lynched here, whether today or tomorrow. I would rather get this out of the way today and see how it goes. Plus, if he flips Town, we will have his opinion as well on who the last scum is.

All Masons agreed he is the first choice.

kop isnt a mason but me and ranger r

You don't consider this post a good explanation to doubt Kill claiming Kop is Mason?

[Creature]

VOTE: Creature

Then vote karnos in LyLo

[Creature]

Geez, I'll have to wait 3-4 more days because Ozy doesn't want to lynch the real scum and the real scum will want a 48 hours night for breath.

[Ozymandias]

VOTE: Creature

Geez, I'll have to wait 3-4 more days because Ozy doesn't want to lynch the real scum and the real scum will want a 48 hours night for breath.

Or you are the real scum and game ends here. I wonder which one is true.

[Charloux]

VOTE: Creature
Still think it's Karnos but YOLO

[Creature]

lol I believe I am hammered

[Creature]

I never talk this freely as scum though

[Ozymandias]

So, were you scum, Creature?

[Ozymandias]

Honestly, whoever of you three is scum played a pretty good game.