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karnos Mafia Scum
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I'll come out with my thoughts and claim.
I am not a mason. VT all the way. I suspect Ozy and Kop are the masons, but I think charloux could also be the 3rd mason instead of kop. I was unsure about creature, but based on what he said above I don't see any chance of him being the other mason.
So from my PoV, charloux kop and creature are my choices for potential scum.
I think claims are the correct play: if we don't win today and if the scum kill a mason, the last mason loses all value if he didn't already claim & confirm today.-
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Let's see:In post 297, karnos wrote:
In a normal game, sure. In this game, one scum faction comes out clearly ahead in such an exchange.In post 295, Kasumeat wrote:So then both claimers get lynched and you've traded a scum for a mason which is a bad trade for the scum.
Maybe it's still overall good for town, but it's even better for town if the 3 masons can drive a lynch into KTS without directly coming out, isn't it?
Whatever, just forget I brought it up. I think most likely KTS is indeed what he says he is.
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Back to scum hunting, I'm truly puzzled at the "kop is town" reads. Hiding so much is more often than not a scum tactic. And if kop does it every game, that certainly isn't indicative of him being town, it's just a null indication. So far ranger and KTS are the two pushing the idea that kop is obvious town...
Between the two, I trust ranger a bit less, especially given the recent discussion on KTS' role. Gotta put my vote where my mouth is-
VOTE: ranger
Obviously subject to change if anything comes out against KTS.In post 310, karnos wrote:This game just tuned up a notch, Is this going to be massclaim day 1? (It's a rhetorical question, don't claim based on my post please)
I'll trust KTS is being honest, since if you aren't it would be a quick end when the real masons counter claim you.
UNVOTE: ranger
VOTE: kop
I just want some discussion, I am not trying to lynch kop just yet, I am just calling BS on the whole "hiding is normal and he is town" thing. There is no reason for town to hide.In post 316, karnos wrote:
Really?In post 311, Killthestory wrote:kop is also mason, please unvote
In post 307, Killthestory wrote:kop isnt a mason but me and ranger r
Really?
Fine.
UNVOTE: kop
VOTE: Killthestory
You story just doesn't make sense anymore. I think you are scum. If your claims are true, I'm sure ranger and kop will rush to your support and lynch me, but at this point I'll take that risk.-
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Ozymandias Goon
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Alright, he was a townread, but what about now?In post 876, Charloux wrote:I think Kop and Ozy are masons; Creature was a townread of mine, which leaves only Karnos as scum since i know my role-
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And what is scummy about those posts?In post 877, Creature wrote:Let's see:In post 297, karnos wrote:
In a normal game, sure. In this game, one scum faction comes out clearly ahead in such an exchange.In post 295, Kasumeat wrote:So then both claimers get lynched and you've traded a scum for a mason which is a bad trade for the scum.
Maybe it's still overall good for town, but it's even better for town if the 3 masons can drive a lynch into KTS without directly coming out, isn't it?
Whatever, just forget I brought it up. I think most likely KTS is indeed what he says he is.
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Back to scum hunting, I'm truly puzzled at the "kop is town" reads. Hiding so much is more often than not a scum tactic. And if kop does it every game, that certainly isn't indicative of him being town, it's just a null indication. So far ranger and KTS are the two pushing the idea that kop is obvious town...
Between the two, I trust ranger a bit less, especially given the recent discussion on KTS' role. Gotta put my vote where my mouth is-
VOTE: ranger
Obviously subject to change if anything comes out against KTS.In post 310, karnos wrote:This game just tuned up a notch, Is this going to be massclaim day 1? (It's a rhetorical question, don't claim based on my post please)
I'll trust KTS is being honest, since if you aren't it would be a quick end when the real masons counter claim you.
UNVOTE: ranger
VOTE: kop
I just want some discussion, I am not trying to lynch kop just yet, I am just calling BS on the whole "hiding is normal and he is town" thing. There is no reason for town to hide.In post 316, karnos wrote:
Really?In post 311, Killthestory wrote:kop is also mason, please unvote
In post 307, Killthestory wrote:kop isnt a mason but me and ranger r
Really?
Fine.
UNVOTE: kop
VOTE: Killthestory
You story just doesn't make sense anymore. I think you are scum. If your claims are true, I'm sure ranger and kop will rush to your support and lynch me, but at this point I'll take that risk.-
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When did you suspect I was a Mason?In post 875, karnos wrote:I'll come out with my thoughts and claim.
I am not a mason. VT all the way. I suspect Ozy and Kop are the masons, but I think charloux could also be the 3rd mason instead of kop. I was unsure about creature, but based on what he said above I don't see any chance of him being the other mason.
So from my PoV, charloux kop and creature are my choices for potential scum.
I think claims are the correct play: if we don't win today and if the scum kill a mason, the last mason loses all value if he didn't already claim & confirm today.-
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Well i like him enough that i'd lynch Karnos over him, but i would vote for creature in lylo so i don't really care who is lynched first.In post 879, Ozymandias wrote:
Alright, he was a townread, but what about now?In post 876, Charloux wrote:I think Kop and Ozy are masons; Creature was a townread of mine, which leaves only Karnos as scum since i know my role-
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Ozymandias
In the first post he just said he trusted Ranger less, but also stated he was subject to change.
In the second post he believes KTS and changes his vote to Kop, but this time with a reasoning (even if it looks weak). He didn't look to be wanting to change.
In the third post he distrusted KTS when he said Kop was also a mason.-
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He has the same approach to the Ranger vote as he has with the Kop vote and him and Kop can't be both scum. He has that overly cautious playstyle which throws me off a bit, but it's not alignment indicative for him.In post 885, Creature wrote:Ozymandias
In the first post he just said he trusted Ranger less, but also stated he was subject to change.
In the second post he believes KTS and changes his vote to Kop, but this time with a reasoning (even if it looks weak). He didn't look to be wanting to change.
In the third post he distrusted KTS when he said Kop was also a mason.
Obviously he believes KTS, why would he not believe someone claiming Mason D1? It would be suicide for scum.
Last point is actually townie, he gave good reason to distrust KTS. Or do you think they were not good reasons?-
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I don't see any reason. I just see him reacting with "Really?" and saying Ranger and Kop must support KTS and lynch him.In post 886, Ozymandias wrote:Last point is actually townie, he gave good reason to distrust KTS. Or do you think they were not good reasons?-
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Creature gets always lynched here, whether today or tomorrow. I would rather get this out of the way today and see how it goes. Plus, if he flips Town, we will have his opinion as well on who the last scum is.
All Masons agreed he is the first choice.
You don't consider this post a good explanation to doubt Kill claiming Kop is Mason?In post 307, Killthestory wrote:kop isnt a mason but me and ranger r-
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