New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[Nero Cain]

Yeah it was. The interaction was like:
Fire says some weird stuff
Fragger says "oh fire must be jester lol"

Like given the quality of Fragger's play this game I could actually see him doing this to try to cover up for his partner's stupidity (which wasn't even stupid, it's just Fire being Fire).

Yeah, this is your scum game.
This looks so similar to a Fire and Ice game where you were scum its not even funny.

Again why are you not voting this slot?

[RachMarie]

Because he wants to flash lynch a slot where someone has replaced in but not talked yet.

[hebichan]

I am not liking fires recent vote

TBF, I don't like Fire at all. He's super fluffy. At the same time he's made a big song and dance (in the past) about his personal meta being effort=scum useless=town. Does he switch it up here to throw off his meta and avoid a trust tell? Maybe. This is p much why my RVS/policy lynch vote is going to sit on him until I want to kill something more.

I feel like I'm the last town left alive

Again, you being town completely blows my mind.

So why are you not voting that?

I'll elaborate: Drip, KAAG's post saying you were town based on your scum list you posted, is weird logic. It makes me uneasy, thinking he's protecting a possible scum buddy.

That or he's setting you up for some future mislynch.

Even if I was in another slot (and thus did not know I was town) I'd consider this pretty reachy and makes me a little uneasy about you.

Like its pretty common for players town read/scum read others based on their reads

Man, i like you a lot more than KAAG at this point. You're pretty much saying everything I was yesterday.

[hebichan]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Fire Act dos.

I want to see where this leads a day later.

[Firebringer]

Again, totally cool with my own lynch.
I stopped caring when the mod error happened.
And maybe even slightly before.

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: TheDominator37

The Firebringer wagon is HERESY

The replacement is already lurking

[Something_Smart]

Man I'm not sure why I thought it was a good idea to sign up for this game.
I think Fire is town now.
VOTE: hebichan this is probably my most confident scumread tbh (and it's not even that confident)

Also @Nero: KTS is conftown, and at the time that Fire said that he WAS voting me.

Pedit: I agree about Fire but what made you scumread that slot again? just the replacement?

[Nero Cain]

KTS is conftown, and at the time that Fire said that he WAS voting me.

Yes, KTS is p much town. He's a claimed 2 shot vig and has killed a mafia, thus he's not mafia. Thought there were 3 kills night 3, so mafia shot, sk dhot and the vig kill?

However my point was that instead of voting KTS (who he believed was scum) he switched his vote to Dom instead.

Fire rolling over makes me not care if that dies but I'd still like to finish reading before we hang someone.

[Firebringer]

Fire rolling over makes me not care if that dies but I'd still like to finish reading before we hang someone.

Yeah, I don't care much if I die either. The only reason I don't replace out is because this game has had a billion replace outs.

But I kind of consider this game a non game at this point.
I have several scumreads, and could do with a lot of lynching right now, but if i got mislynched I wouldn't shed a tear.

[Slandaar]

KAAG read progression is a little suspect. KAAG/Rev makes sense. Might elaborate later but you can check it yourselves.

Are you saying you will finally join me against KAAG? I've pushed for his death since d4 but no one was having it. I've went over my scumread on him too.
His consistent avoidance of me in this game overall, has been suspect as well - it's like he knows something's going on. I can't pinpoint what exactly.

Maybe.

Because he wants to flash lynch a slot where someone has replaced in but not talked yet.

The replacement is already lurking

Must be scum.

VOTE: Dominator

Also just for you Performer:

2. Ozgin - scum-aligned
11. Firebringer - scum-aligned
19. KickAssAndGiggle - scum-aligned
20. Fraggernaut - scum-aligned

iraonavp changing vote on a whim is interesting: am I not scummy any more? Frag is likely scum, but you only vote him now because?

Of course you're still scum-aligned. The quoted post is a great example of this with the "interesting".

Isn't it obvious why I'm now voting Fraggernaut?

No, it isn't. I never find it obvious why people vote one way in their first post of the day (with no reason given), then change in the second with the word "Finally" being their only explanation.

Please do explain, and also please elaborate on your scum hunting method that assigns scum reads due to the use of the word "interesting", because that is very interesting to me.

You're an interesting chap.

I voted Fraggernaut because other people were also voting him.

"interesting" is just an awkward and suspicious way of saying "scum-aligned". There's no other thing that could mean.

KAAG argument here is terrible.

@KAAG

Here's the issue I have with your argument.

Something_Smart, Ozgin, Slandaar = town
iraonavp, killthestory, Performer = prob!town
Guy/Replace, Yume, Kuroi, ilikebugs, DGB = unclear
Aristo, Frag = scummy
Drixx, FB = scum

Those are your most updated reads from your 1935

In the world where you think I'm mafia, alongside Drixx & Fire means you believe I as mafia would hard defend my partner Drixx throughout day one, day two & day three openly. It also means you believe I would hard defend Fire late day two, call him a PR which I read him as & then continue to express my belief that Fire is a PR & defend them into day three. Which is implausible & extremely dumb if I was actually mafia, which I'm not.

What Fraggernaut is telling us here is that we should not lynch either of Drixx or Firebringer after he flips scum-aligned.

Somewhat agree.

Meh, I held off voting him:

I've played with scum Drixx (that single Newbie defeat he alluded to...I inflicted it), and he was far more conciliatory as scum. His ISO here is terrible, but it's nothing like the Drixx in that game. I've ummed and ahhd about it, but for now I'm waiting on his promised reads before reconsidering him.

Regarding Guy, 18 posts total, 10 of which are unarguably fluff. Flying under the radar is an understatement: he's a stealth bomber! I agree that he is hard to read: if he won't correct that by himself then we can encourage him.

When my in-laws drive away I hope to find myself not lynched already, because I totally actually have some notes and investment in the game already. If you all could restrain yourselves for a day and a half and wait and see, that would be pretty cool. If not; that's life. (Or death, as it were).

We've restrained ourselves. So...where is it?

He promised his notes and investment 5 days ago:

When my in-laws drive away I hope to find myself not lynched already, because I totally actually have some notes and investment in the game already. If you all could restrain yourselves for a day and a half and wait and see, that would be pretty cool. If not; that's life. (Or death, as it were).

So I'm certain he's my preferred lynch today, but only as certain as any D2 read. Feels like the best vote at the moment for sure.

Weak reasoning on Drixx.

Read the top quoted post in that post.

Contradiction argument with Iraon and Drixx is pretty awful also from KAAG.

Sorry NC.

[Performer]

Haven't fully caught up with posts I missed since I was last here, but I skimmed the last few pages. I'll have to take some time to more fully address some things.

One of the weird things going on, is that 1 of 2 replacements has been lurking since the replace in, which is atypical since people normally start posting as they replace in. But it should be a null tell. Fire's abrupt vote on that slot is shocking.
After reviewing my case on KAAG slot and Fire's recent posts, I think it's better to do this. VOTE: Fire

@Nero were you speaking of the themed game with Fire, BBT as Town 2-shot Bp , Titus; and GL, Thor, and massive scum? (I may not be fully recalling the details correctly but I'm curious of the meta you spoke of for Fire)

[Performer]

6-24-16 is d5 deadline & the most recent vc is below:
Killthestory -
Performer - Killthestory
hebichan - SS
Firebringer - hebi, rach, nero, performer
Rachmarie -
Slandaar -
yume/reverie/Dominator37 - fire, Drip, Slandaar
DrippingGoofball (0)-
nero/KickAssAndGiggle -
Something_Smart

Not Voting - dominator

With 10 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

@mod isn't it supposed to be 6 to lynch? Why is the recent vc stating 7?

[Performer]

KTS is conftown, and at the time that Fire said that he WAS voting me.

Yes, KTS is p much town. He's a claimed 2 shot vig and has killed a mafia, thus he's not mafia. Thought there were 3 kills night 3, so mafia shot, sk dhot and the vig kill?

However my point was that instead of voting KTS (who he believed was scum) he switched his vote to Dom instead.

Fire rolling over makes me not care if that dies but I'd still like to finish reading before we hang someone.

Wait a sec. KTS how come you mentioned you shot Aris but you never mentioned anything about the other night where 2 scum died?

[Axl_Rose]

VC 5.02

Killthestory (0)-

Performer (1)-

Killthestory

hebichan (1)-

Something_Smart

Firebringer (4)-

Rachmarie, Nero Cain, hebichan, Performer

(L-2)

Rachmarie (0)-

Slandaar (0)-

Dominator37 (3)-

Firebringer, DrippingGoofball, Slandaar

DrippingGoofball (0)-

Nero Cain (0)-

Something_Smart (0)-

Not Voting (1)-

Dominator37

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in (expired on 2016-06-24 20:00:00) - Jun 24th 19:00 GMT

[Axl_Rose]

@mod isn't it supposed to be 6 to lynch? Why is the recent vc stating 7?

I don't know what you mean

[Performer]

K. Slandaar's 2734 has made me rethink Fire. UNVOTE: Fire
I still don't like the situation right now, something just doesn't sit right.

I'm prepared to offer my plan now, the one I was trying to breadcrumb in earlier days and even today, but clearly no one looked like they knew what I was trying to hint at.

I am proposing a mass claim in the form of popcorn, starting with KAAG slot. I will claim last.

[Performer]

@mod isn't it supposed to be 6 to lynch? Why is the recent vc stating 7?

I don't know what you mean

Because you just fixed it after noticing your mistake!

[Performer]

K. Slandaar's 2734 has made me rethink Fire. UNVOTE: Fire
I still don't like the situation right now, something just doesn't sit right.

I'm prepared to offer my plan now, the one I was trying to breadcrumb in earlier days and even today, but clearly no one looked like they knew what I was trying to hint at.

I am proposing a mass claim in the form of popcorn, starting with KAAG slot. I will claim last.

During this phase, I also have spent time thinking of an alternative and similarly risky idea but it might work - a no lynch for this phase, in place of the mass claim popcorn.

Because of my particular role, I understand there exists a particular X factor , so my thought process is this - if we end up with no lynch, then overnight the factor goes to work, and tomorrow we get closer to catching scum by POE.

[Killthestory]

KTS is conftown, and at the time that Fire said that he WAS voting me.

Yes, KTS is p much town. He's a claimed 2 shot vig and has killed a mafia, thus he's not mafia. Thought there were 3 kills night 3, so mafia shot, sk dhot and the vig kill?

However my point was that instead of voting KTS (who he believed was scum) he switched his vote to Dom instead.

Fire rolling over makes me not care if that dies but I'd still like to finish reading before we hang someone.

Wait a sec. KTS how come you mentioned you shot Aris but you never mentioned anything about the other night where 2 scum died?

i did

[Performer]

KTS is conftown, and at the time that Fire said that he WAS voting me.

Yes, KTS is p much town. He's a claimed 2 shot vig and has killed a mafia, thus he's not mafia. Thought there were 3 kills night 3, so mafia shot, sk dhot and the vig kill?

However my point was that instead of voting KTS (who he believed was scum) he switched his vote to Dom instead.

Fire rolling over makes me not care if that dies but I'd still like to finish reading before we hang someone.

Wait a sec. KTS how come you mentioned you shot Aris but you never mentioned anything about the other night where 2 scum died?

i did

ok.

Btw, thanks for ignoring not just 1, but both ideas. I see why Fire has said at least twice that he's appalled that you're town in this game.

[Performer]

The least you could do is offer your two cents on them and why. Or ask questions. Or tell us of your opinion on Dominator and Nero, the two replacements.

[Killthestory]

shut up you carrot im thinking

[Firebringer]

There's so many slots I want to see dead, why wasn't I given a gun?

[Killthestory]

There's so many slots I want to see dead, why wasn't I given a gun?

because youre a carrot that sucks at this game

[Firebringer]

At least I have bigger carrot than you.