Open 633: Near Vanilla-GAME OVER

[Nosferatu]

Yeah, I had never seen Ranger bus in any game before and she frequently talked about how she refused it, so in my mind I just had a concrete rule "Ranger doesn't bus".

[Imperium]

Is there anything else that you're waiting to get out of this day?

[Imperium]

With Ollie being replaced though, may be difficult to get his slot lynched. My experience tend to be that a replacement get some chance to redeem the slot.

I'm having trouble seeing scum posting something like this about a town player they are in the process of mislynching in the open thread.
I don't see Falcon's play as scum or anywhere close to scum.

[Imperium]

I spent some time reviewing Nosferatu's scumgame; I found Denmark Mafia, and I looked at Red Neighborhood; both are incredibly underwhelming compared to the game that Nosferatu played here. I can't for the life of me imagine scum not bussing Ranger after she quickhammered and Nosferatu just sort of went for No Lynch and never really defended Ranger and pushing against the grain in that way made it seem more like they were operating alone.

I think that both Ollie's and Titus's pushes on me were laughable, half-assed; Ollie attacked me for "lurking out of the game", then, when I asked him how that was alignment indicative, he accused me of cherry picking since I didn't respond to his latest wall (even though I responded to everything else in full while he hadn't responded to everything that I've talked about). I found his push on Titus to be utterly, utterly horrible, and I find the circumstances of it suspicious: he attacked Titus, became more and more sure that she was scum, then he dropped it. She attacked back, became more and more sure that he was scum, and then dropped it. I don't think that townies stop arguing for no reason; it looks like they dropped the fight because it was a terrible time to bus.

I don't believe that Titus gets paranoid of us as scum then does nothing to push it; "Burden of Proficiency" is a lazy argument and doesn't make sense in a circumstance where the stronger players in the playerlist haven't been shot at all game and when the scumteam has made a series of utterly horrible kills. I don't like that she's posting everywhere but here at a time where the scumteam that I think that she's a part of is utterly fucked.

[Imperium]

At this point, I don't see a point in holding off the hammer; is there a chance that we're wrong and Ollie is town? Sure! But I don't think that Ollie is town with a scum Titus, which means that my two strongest townreads are scum together, which seems like a long shot based on their play before this point. I don't think that we're going to get any new revelations from a replacement; game's a hundred pages, it's been going on for a really long time, there's enough to read based on Ollie's play in the slot alone. The only reason that I would argue to hold off on a hammer is so MoI could do more reading, but that's seems incredibly unnecessary; even if the worst comes to worst and we mislynch here, MoI flips a coin whether to jail a suspect or jail KTS and we have a 50% chance at blocking the kill and getting another chance to lynch scum and end the game without it being any form of real LyLo.

It just feels like everyone's dragging their feet and waiting for something to happen when the waiting isn't necessary; I've done my due diligence and unless anyone has a compelling reason why something that I've done is wrong so far, I think it's time to move forward.

[RachMarie]

MoI does not seem on board, so not sure how we are going to get the hammer?

[Imperium]

Nosferatu isn't voting Ollie. I haven't given up hope on MoI.

[Nosferatu]

Is there anything else that you're waiting to get out of this day?

Not particularly.

[Imperium]

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[Nosferatu]

I really hate to backtrack on something I literally just said buuut

Titus, is there a reason why you're ignoring the game as hard as you are right now?

You try having my life. Yeah I am behind. I know. Did anyone do the colored VCs?

Do something with the VCs I coloured before I hammer. If you don't do it by around 5pm est tomorrow, I'm going to hammer and you will be scum immortalized in my mind.

[MagnaofIllusion]

So I’ve been holding off on Ollie for three reasons.

1. To see if either Nos or Titus would hammer with me stating I wasn’t going to. Neither did so far but Nos has been the more likely of the two.
2. To see if Titus would do anything with VCA. I don't see that forthcoming given her health situation.
3. To actively see Imperium would advocate that neither Nos or Titus are scum if Ollie flips Town.

The last part is the main reason. I’ve had some paranoia today regarding a possible scum Team of Imperium and Rach. It would explain the hard defense Imperium has been throwing up on the Rach slot since yesterday. And as Imperium has already stipulated to – if the scum team is Nos / Titus given my push on Titus it makes sense that one of them would already have hammered Ollie.

So the only way I can see Ollie flipping Town is if both scum are already on the wagon – which has to be Imperium / Rach given that kill is now Doctor confirmed.

VOTE: Ollie

If Ollie flips scum I can easily put that paranoia to rest. If he flips Town on the other hand I want Imperium’s head on a platter tomorrow if I don’t survive the Night.

[Imperium]

Let's just hope that doesn't happen.

killthestory - Please don't forget to send in a heal on magna tonight.

[Titus]

/surrender

There's about a zero percent chance of winning here. I needed Ollie to CC and that's when he had IRL.

There's little point in drawing this out wit Ollie hammered.

[MagnaofIllusion]

/surrender

There's about a zero percent chance of winning here. I needed Ollie to CC and that's when he had IRL.

There's little point in drawing this out wit Ollie hammered.

Well given a scum Ollie flip meant you were getting Jailed I can understand this post.

Now we just wait for the Mod I guess ...

[Imperium]

Yay! Well that was nice and easy...This last part anyway. I still don't understand those night kills.

I don't know what happened with F16 after I left but I do know I snowed him pretty badly in one of his early games here. Not sure if that played into his game-play or not.

Maybe, but probably not. He harassed me so terribly in a game and through pms that it resulted in his getting modkilled and permanently banned. I'm just hoping if he circumvents his ban though another alt, he doesn't sign up for games with me in them again.

[Imperium]

I was just having a moment of paranoia that it was Titus and Nosferatu after all and that's why Titus made that kinda weak push on Nos that ended up going nowhere and getting dropped.

[Titus]

Yeah kill being the doctor meant I couldn't leverage anything in thread. If I was feeling better I might have come up with something. The best move was to lynch kts, kill Magna, burn Ollie, kill Imperium, and then hope for the best there.

Magna's reads were bad but maybe I could have swung Each in lylo.

[Titus]

I knew I would not be able to hold Tammy off forever.

[RachMarie]

I am surprised you did not try harder to get me mislynched, after all I was an easy lynch for a while there.

[Killthestory]

i was hoping more people would push me so i could counterclaim when needed and push the scummiest of those pushing my lynch. then look for associations.

still, that was fun.

[Titus]

I am surprised you did not try harder to get me mislynched, after all I was an easy lynch for a while there.

As scum, forcing lynches is bad terrible play IMO. I had enough options there.

If kill flipped, I would have gone after you or Nos. Now was easier. My push there went nowhere mainly due to IRL.

[Imperium]

i was hoping more people would push me so i could counterclaim when needed and push the scummiest of those pushing my lynch. then look for associations.

still, that was fun.

i enjoyed the hype reading session quite a bit

[MagnaofIllusion]

Kill was never getting flipped without a counter-claim. No matter how suspect his play was.

[Titus]

Yeah, I saw. That's why I told Ollie to counter in main thread. He never made a post. Sometimes I can pull that off. Maybe get people to think I soft CCed and said no...you read it wrong.

I thought about CCing myself but there's zero chance Ollie goes to endgame.

[Killthestory]

i was hoping more people would push me so i could counterclaim when needed and push the scummiest of those pushing my lynch. then look for associations.

still, that was fun.

i enjoyed the hype reading session quite a bit

lmao that was afun