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great.
The slot is still scum
Please lynch.BRAND NEW Get to know me http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=69243
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You know … you’ve done exactly jack to show why you think Ollie is scum. Even Kill actually tried to cobble together some posts that sort of looks like it might resemble a case.
Why is that again?
I’m not going to go into great depth because I don’t care to but the gist of it is this –In post 2451, Nosferatu wrote:@MoI: How does the MoIputer work?
I take each end of day vote count. I apply Town and Scum designations to all dead players, any confirmed via known set-up players, and myself. I then set criteria each day based on my assessment of the game state and get a numerical figure for each living player. I sum those figures and the higher the figure the more likely the player is scum on this basis.
It’s not the end-all-be-all but over the years I have found it does of good job of centering my focus. Works best with at least 3 days of gameplay and 1 flipped scum. I don’t use it when only 1 scum remaining is expected.
Most recent game where I used it is here - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=66137
After Day 3 in my Neighborhood I came to the following conclusion –
I’ve highlighted the alignments of the living players. I went on to push Lowell after reviewing his ISO carefully.Interestingly enough running MoIputer with Shea as Town gives the following suspicion groups
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Empty Space
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<KMD, Creature, Snarky>
Literally Lowell is almost an order of magnitude worse than Arist in the revised MoiPuter."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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I don't disagree with you on Titus-scum, but I am not really willing to switch from a stronger scumread with more support to a weaker scumread with less support unless you have a decent case for Ollie!town that's more complicated than "I might be biased because I'm OMGUSing". I don't disagree that there was bias strewn all in my read of him at times (particularly when we were in the middle of our wall battle), but my feelings haven't changed at all despite being decently removed from the situation. Did you ever get the chance to think about the scumtell that I posted right before night?A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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In particular, this one?
In post 2352, Imperium wrote:
I'd be happy hearing more thoughts on this, especially from Titus/Rach/KTS.In post 2275, Imperium wrote:
Magna, this is the point on Ollie I feel the strongest about. Please consider it overnight.In post 2221, Imperium wrote:
Actually, I think this post is a bit of a smoking gun if Ranger flips scum - 1010 comes immediately after HA replaced into the game and made his opening posts (which were ridiculous), when before that there wasn't a single mention of Jim. I can see scum!Ollie seeing that his partner's posts are terrible and deciding to bus, but I can't really imagine town!Ollie seeing that Jim was very obviously scum and not saying anything about it until after they are replaced and someone else starts posting. In my opinion, this also hurts the towncred he got from pushing at Ranger quite a bit - it looks like he planned a bus and I don't think that he'd go from ignoring to bussing to ignoring again after the groundwork he laid down from when HA replaced in.In post 2211, MagnaofIllusion wrote:My only problem with the ISO by the time HA replaces in is that he didn’t even look at Jim’s posting until after the fact (1010). In fact this post to Ranger (1282) gives me some unease. If Jim was “scummy as fuck” why was there no ISO mention of it until after he replaced?A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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I would like to hear more from Titus as well but looking at her overall posting on site she does not seem real active in general.
I basically have been useless for over 24 hours due to June 13th is my son's birthday. I could not even get any work done for clients at all or think rationally. It has been 10 1/2 years since he died, and most of the time I am strong, but some days are just harder than others.BRAND NEW Get to know me http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=69243
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With Ollie being replaced though, may be difficult to get his slot lynched. My experience tend to be that a replacement get some chance to redeem the slot.
MoI without resorting to a quote wall, I will try to point out my case on Ollie... again. I realize you were not here when I made it and may have missed it.BRAND NEW Get to know me http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=69243
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In a nutshell MoI
Based on associations with Ranger. Ollie always was her top town read with no real REASONS for it. Clearly she was trying to avoid busing Ollie for some reason.BRAND NEW Get to know me http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=61&t=69243
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You try having my life. Yeah I am behind. I know. Did anyone do the colored VCs?In post 2455, Imperium wrote:Titus, is there a reason why you're ignoring the game as hard as you are right now?ShowThe scum had the misfortune of Titus being absurdly accurate on day one.Really quite impressed by that.~Drixx
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you may now be directed to the post below you at this time.In post 2459, Titus wrote:
You try having my life. Yeah I am behind. I know. Did anyone do the colored VCs?In post 2455, Imperium wrote:Titus, is there a reason why you're ignoring the game as hard as you are right now?-
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@Nosfertu– why did you ask me about the MoIputer?
If feel we are on opposite ends of the same boat. I’m not convinced of your Rach-Town case and you keep pointing to a single element of my Ollie read-through which I agree with is scummy but doesn’t overwhelm the rest of my analysis of his Ranger interactions.In post 2453, Imperium wrote:I don't disagree with you on Titus-scum, but I am not really willing to switch from a stronger scumread with more support to a weaker scumread with less support unless you have a decent case for Ollie!town that's more complicated than "I might be biased because I'm OMGUSing". I don't disagree that there was bias strewn all in my read of him at times (particularly when we were in the middle of our wall battle), but my feelings haven't changed at all despite being decently removed from the situation. Did you ever get the chance to think about the scumtell that I posted right before night?
Ollie even as scum can be lynched without me or being bussed so I’m not inclined to vote there right now even with the mislynch cushion last night gave us.
And your slot is exactly in the same position. Frankly the two slots I feel have the worst feeling about re:Ranger’s reads are your slot and Titus.In post 2458, RachMarie wrote:In a nutshell MoI
Based on associations with Ranger. Ollie always was her top town read with no real REASONS for it. Clearly she was trying to avoid busing Ollie for some reason.
She gives elaboration on Nosferatu and Ollie’s position in the readslists. Now the reasons may be crappy but there is something to chew on in thread. 1156 and 1406 are examples for Nos. Likewise 1308 is an example for Ollie.
But looking at your slot and Titus – never a mention as to why Ocean was such a strong Townread or why Titus’s slot was such a scum-read to null read. Not an ounce. In fact we have posts like the start of 1950 where you notice he addresses how his Town read on Kill is changing but dodges even mentioning your slot."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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Saying that the reason why you've been avoiding making any catch up effort whatsoever is because of RL feels disingenuous when you've been posting elsewhere.In post 2459, Titus wrote:
You try having my life. Yeah I am behind. I know. Did anyone do the colored VCs?In post 2455, Imperium wrote:Titus, is there a reason why you're ignoring the game as hard as you are right now?A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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Magna: If Titus is scum and Ollie is town, I see no reason why she hasn't hammered him yet; scum lose if we lynch scum today and there's a very real chance of the wagon swinging back into her; why would she hesitate in hammering after your vote on her, especially when she was calling Ollie obvscum yesterday and thus could probably get away with it without scumclaiming?A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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I just think that you're assigning Ollie far too many town points for a push on a partner that wasn't in the greatest of positions in the first place. Ollie didn't push Ranger when it mattered and the only other thing that he did that you thought you looked town for doing was mentioning everyone in his earliest readslist.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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First I would like you to explain the bolded in very clear detail.In post 2464, Imperium wrote:Magna: If Titus is scum and Ollie is town, I see no reason why she hasn't hammered him yet;scum lose if we lynch scum todayand there's a very real chance of the wagon swinging back into her; why would she hesitate in hammering after your vote on her, especially when she was calling Ollie obvscum yesterday and thus could probably get away with it without scumclaiming?
Second I agree - Titus scum and Ollie Town probably plays out like you said. What about Ollie Town with Titus Town? Because that is a possible (unlikely I think but possible) scenario that could be at play here."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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When did the push on Ranger matter in your view then?In post 2465, Imperium wrote:I just think that you're assigning Ollie far too many town points for a push on a partner that wasn't in the greatest of positions in the first place. Ollie didn't push Ranger when it mattered and the only other thing that he did that you thought you looked town for doing was mentioning everyone in his earliest readslist."I am a leaf on the wind ... watch how I soar!"
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@MoI: I was curious on how your VCA method worked since the method I usually use doesn't work as well in smaller games.
@Imperium: PoE. Ranger tried to argue Titus is scum and Ranger doesn't bus. I town read you and MoI/kill are conf town. Pretty sure I had another reason but I can't remember it now, it was about OW.-
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?In post 2469, Nosferatu wrote:Ranger doesn't bus.
Subject: MAFIACEPTION GAME OVER! Flawless Victory!
Ranger bussed Porochaz, who was her scumpartner.Ranger wrote:
Well, I said it before: I think it's based around what peopleperceiveas the slip. If there's a wagon, town.
If not...scum.
And so far...I'm not seeing a wagon.
Soooooooooooooooooooooooo...
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There are currently 7 alive.In post 2467, MagnaofIllusion wrote:First I would like you to explain the bolded in very clear detail.
If scum is lynched, then there are 6 alive: Jailkeeper, Doctor, 3 VTs, 1 Mafia.
Worst case scenario, you target a VT, scum kills doctor. VT is confirmed as town.
The next day, there will be 5 alive: 2 unconfirmed VTs, 1 confirmed VT, Jailkeeper, Mafia.
Worst case, we lynch a VT, you target another VT (target is announced beforehand), mafia kills you.
The next day, there will be 3 alive: 2 confirmed VTs, 1 mafia. VTs lynch the mafia.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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The only way Ollie/Titus is TvT is if Nosfertu and Rach are both scum. It seems weird to me that Rach would be constantly ragging for an Ollie mislynch unless she discussed it with her partner beforehand, and Nosferatu's delay only makes sense if they're trying to appeal to you. If we were looking at a Nos/Rach scumteam, they would also be in a much better position than an Ollie/Titus one, and I'd expect that Nosferatu as scum would have found a reason to hammer before that position changed considerably; I also don't understand the option to agree on lynching Ollie but also distance with each other as suspect #2; it only increases their respective chances of getting lynched while Titus is still a completely viable mislynch.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!-
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That's more accurate.In post 2473, Nosferatu wrote:*Ranger doesn't bus often(?)
Clearing a player from Ranger pushing them with less than 48 hours left out of a two week deadline when there was no chance in hell that said player was getting lynched (and was her second choice for a push that she was practically forced into calling scum based on how the votes went down) seems pretty unreasonable to me.A hydra of Nacho and Tammy!
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