Okay, if it was warning L-3 or L-2, I could see that. If it was warning L-1 soon after a vote count, maybe. But marking L-1 when vote counts are sparse and multiple people are rereading rather than following along? Really?
Even when about to be lynched, when you have your last chance to contribute to town, you're still so cautious!In post 586, karnos wrote:Of course, by saying this I might just push him to quickhammer me. I honestly hope I am wrong, I hope an actual town player is on my side here, but knowing I might get lynched in the near future I'd rather out this theory now rather than wait.
Do you believe Karnos would expect that your defense would be able to get the lynch off of him? If yes, why? If no, then why would he care whether you defended him or not?In post 597, Wingback wrote: Scum rarely push back against one of the only people defending them when almost everyone else is against them. They'd be ecstatic about having an ally.
I think that's up in the air. Maybe I succeed. Maybe I fail. But I'm still his last hope and burning that bridge isn't something scum would want to do but does make a lot of sense if he's town.In post 601, MechaGoomba wrote:Do you believe Karnos would expect that your defense would be able to get the lynch off of him? If yes, why? If no, then why would he care whether you defended him or not?
I thought that I'd telegraphed my vote on karnos--since my question in 393 (responding to his 382) I have been suspicious of the way that karnos seemed to be looking at a very superficial level for things that could be characterized as suspicious rather than trying to determine whether those things actually come from a Mafia mindset. At the very least, I think that my 492 and 557 should have given an indication of where I was going, and should weigh against your characterization of my vote.In post 569, Wingback wrote:@Dierfire, what made you abandon the push on Kappy and vote Karnos? Qubixes's case was there for a very long time. Why did you only now decide to verify Karnos's meta and put down a vote?
More than Dierfire's vote, I'm far more interested in what Mathblade thought was so awesome about Dier's Post 558. "It seems spot on. Looks like they are trying to figure out the game and analyze things" is an odd way to describe a post where Dierfire agrees with qubixes and sheeps him.
I disagree with your assessment of 510 by karnos (in your 542). I don't believe that his action (asking other players to speculate about which other players would be Mafia if he is) is particularly unlikely to come from a Mafia player for the reasons that I listed.In post 593, Masquerade wrote:@Dierfire: What exactly in my post are you not agreeing with?
Still rereading the thread but the more I thing about it Wingback is almost certainly derp town. Still don't like Masquerade and don't like Dierfire either now or the species/Magnos slot.In post 475, karnos wrote:I'm not going to keep banging my head into the wall to make a point, if you want to lynch me go ahead. As long as the scum who started this wagon on me get lynch in the following days, I'll consider it a fair trade.
This. So much this.In post 612, MathBlade wrote: He voted a fucking town read who the hell does that as town? Like what?
I know this question isn't for me, but I feel that if karnos is scum, he has done a good job avoiding implicating his scum partner. I have no idea who it might be.In post 614, MathBlade wrote:@Mecha -- Assuming Karnos is scum, who do you think is scum with him?
WTF dude. Being at L-1 doesn't grant super-cop capability to detect all the scum. What I know comes from the reads I have made in the thread. 586 is my best guesses. If I just wanted to live, maybe I could stomach lying like you think I should and say X is obviously scum lynch them tomorrow, but I have to be honest. I don't know who is definite scum, best I can give are my reads and opinions. I don't want to be lynched, but I'm not going to insist on a lynch of someone I am not 100% sure about. Read 586- pick one of the suspected scum talk about it and lynch the right one. I can't tell you who is absolutely scum because I don't know.In post 601, MechaGoomba wrote: Even when about to be lynched, when you have your last chance to contribute to town, you're still so cautious!
You're not saying "These people are the scum, lynch them tomorrow." You're saying "OK, you asked for reads? Here are reads."
Above all, that's what I really don't like. When you have a chance to contribute, you equivocate, but you are willing to reiterate your flimsy defences as much as you need to.
Really? I find it really strange that you would say this.In post 613, MechaGoomba wrote:This. So much this.In post 612, MathBlade wrote: He voted a fucking town read who the hell does that as town? Like what?
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I mean, "I voted the guy I was townreading as a reaction test" is up there with "Yeah I fakeclaimed a cop guilty, but I was really sure the guy was mafia."
Is that really an argument? I was pretty sure you would double-down after my read of you as scum, but "actual town" is a scum tell?In post 612, MathBlade wrote: Who retreats after someone says "actual town"? Not ready for claims/lynches on your top scum read is bullshit. If they aren't your top scumread anymore say so and who is. If you are unsure of who your top scumread is say that. But this is fucking sketch.
Combining that with the prior defeatist posts puts a big FoS on Dierfire especially the one quoted.
I believe we have caught scum in Karnos and now scum are scrambling to find any sort of lynch and revitalize it. Do not let that happen. We should be lynching Karnos today.
"You're still being too cautious and this doesn't fit your townplay." "But how can I know for certain anyone is 100% sure to be scum!"karnos wrote: WTF dude. Being at L-1 doesn't grant super-cop capability to detect all the scum. [...] I don't know who is definite scum, best I can give are my reads and opinions. [...] I'm not going to insist on a lynch of someone I am not 100% sure about. [...] I can't tell you who is absolutely scum because I don't know.
In post 618, karnos wrote:In 300 you indicated that deception, voting, & reaction testing is all kosher and well known town strategy.
Most of that applies to Persivul as well.In post 547, MechaGoomba wrote: Look at how I was dealing with Chumba if you want an example of a proper reaction test.
Differences: I applied actual pressure, I finished the assessment quickly rather than letting it drag on, I explained what I was doing as soon as I finished testing, Ididn't lie(I was actually scumreading Chumba at the time, just changed my read after the reaction), and I was doing it during the early stages of the game where it would actually be useful (because once the early stages are over, discussion is much better at getting information than reaction testing).
You see that there are a bunch of people that seem to be buddying me, ignoring my "contradictory BS" and pushing my wagons. Their goal seems to be to get you lynched, and since (assuming you're town) you know you're town, this would be a mislynch.In post 618, karnos wrote:It's obvious what I missed, and I'm sorry to out you, but you are obviously a mason. There is no other way you could spew so much contrary BS without being scum-read by more players than me.
Did you see this Mecha?In post 614, MathBlade wrote:@Mecha -- Assuming Karnos is scum, who do you think is scum with him?
I have the entire nightphase to figure such things out and so really don't want to waste time with preflip associatives, but if I absolutely had to pick someone, I'd go with either Kappy or maybe Dierfire.In post 614, MathBlade wrote:@Mecha -- Assuming Karnos is scum, who do you think is scum with him?