Micro 615: The Walking Dead: Episode 5 (GAME OVER)

ISO · Post Post #675 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:55 pm

I know I shouldn't have but it was really irritating me
sorry qq

pirate mollie · Post Post #676 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:57 pm

In post 675, SirCakez wrote:I know I shouldn't have but it was really irritating me
sorry qq

why is it irritating you?

ISO · Post Post #677 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:58 pm

Because it was a question that had a really obvious answer
And I also wanted to post something but I didn't see anything to respond to

WhiteLight · Post Post #678 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:05 pm

So we where heavily scum reading GuiltyLion all of yesterday so I don't know why this comes as a surprise. I actually think he is more likely to be scum then Shotty but I am not 100% sure who Suzune thought was more likely to be scum but we agreed that the scum team is probably Shotty/GL.

The night action was my idea and we discussed it for roughly 2 messages on Skype as we didn't even think it would resolve. Also for our investigative action to work scum must not have a way to interact with our cop ability. That means that scum would be very eager to get us lynched yesterday. Who was eager to lynch us yesterday? GL. That was my reasoning for choosing GL.

WhiteLight · Post Post #679 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:06 pm

^ ~Bee

GuiltyLion · Post Post #680 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:06 pm

Well my vote today is obvious

VOTE: WhiteLight

Lynch me if you must, but my flip will confirm that I was exactly right d1.

SirCakez is a possible partner with how he jumped on without doubting WL at all, despite suggesting that cop/rolecop in a micro was possible yesterday.

Also like, seriously, cop and role cop AND Mollie claiming protective in a micro? WL investigated the one person pushing them? I think it should be kinda obvious that I'm town tbh

pirate mollie · Post Post #681 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:08 pm

In post 677, SirCakez wrote:Because it was a question that had a really obvious answer
And I also wanted to post something but I didn't see anything to respond to

the answer wasn't obvs to me. if I have an investigative I either use it to clear a strong player that I think wld be good for town or I use it on scumread that I think will be really hard to get lynched.

pple's reasons for why they use their investigative varies and I was looking for insight as to how both players think/process/apply the information that they receive. I usually file away these insights and pull them out for when I want to get a read on a player for future games. I take the longview approach.

eta: kk, ty bee, can you point me to the posts where you were sus of gl?
eta: hi guilty! lets talk

ISO · Post Post #682 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:08 pm

When someone claims a guilty on my top scumread, I usually don't start immediately doubting them
P-edit:

ok mollie that's more complex then I thought

WhiteLight · Post Post #683 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:08 pm

GL why are you obviously town?

~Bee

pirate mollie · Post Post #684 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:10 pm

also gl I don't think its obvs that you are town!

but what is bugging me is that I am bodyguard and a role cop wld confirm my alignment since a bodyguard is a town role.

WhiteLight · Post Post #685 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:12 pm

In post 617, WhiteLight wrote:I think that GuiltyLion is scum.
He said it is scummy that we stopped scum hunting once we claimed cop. (which isn't true)
But he said it was towny that JavaJoe did the same thing.
Either he is hard defending a buddy or he really wants to get the alignment cop off the table.

In post 494, WhiteLight wrote:Listen, I have never played in a walking dead game before. I do not even know the flavour. Therefore, I find all the posts where you guys reference the past games to be kind of busy work. I am glad you bothered to look them up, however, I think that any host worth their salt knows we are going to backlook them and takes that into consideration. Keeping ideas fresh and players on their toes is his job. So I tend to look at this game from just a micro perspective.

I have to agree with SS that there really is no reason to check each other. What is there to be gained form that. So he learns we are a cop. That is great and all but it does nothing for the game but prove one exists. Likewise, checking to see if their town or not does not aid the game either. In a micro game I do not think there is any reason to have both a role cop and a cop on the town side. It sounds like something the mafia would use to up their chances.

The most concering part of this whole thing is hard to pinpoint.
1. The most bizarre leaps on the Mav
2. The way guilty is able to hop around, backs his opinions terribly and then no one thinks it is odd.
3. The fact that Java does not scum read us, but is so casual about being lynched. Almost reads like throwing in the towel. It also looks like he intends to wait it out until people get bored or choose to fight amoungst themselves.
4. The fact that shotty uses so much math and has the whole game planned out...

We are looking for Java lynch. It is a position that we are supporting. The fact that he is so sure he will get a town read if we search him alarms me.

-in randomness-
I like BBT's signature.

~Suzune

In post 241, WhiteLight wrote:This is where we are standing right now on the game.

Town: Maverick, SS
Slight Town: Mollie
Town-Null: BBT
True Null: Shotty
Null-Scum: Sir Cakez
Scum Lean
Scum: Guilty, Java

These are our combined reads.

~Suz

I thought I spoke about this more but he was clearly our top scum read...

GuiltyLion · Post Post #686 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:12 pm

Hi Mollie! I'm actually about to go to EDC tonight so I can't talk long, what's up

WL - because I correctly called you as scum, ofc. And there's literally no way that town has a BG/rolecop/cop in a game

WhiteLight · Post Post #687 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:15 pm

There was a setup with a Gunsmith, Watcher, and 3x town neighborhood (this is incredibly pro town as there is information going around the scum can't see)
A loved and hated townie. Arguably given the gunsmith and watcher the hated was conf town as giving scum negative utility after all that is pretty crazy.

~Bee

pirate mollie · Post Post #688 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:25 pm

In post 687, WhiteLight wrote:There was a setup with a Gunsmith, Watcher, and 3x town neighborhood (this is incredibly pro town as there is information going around the scum can't see)
A loved and hated townie. Arguably given the gunsmith and watcher the hated was conf town as giving scum negative utility after all that is pretty crazy.

~Bee

was this a micros game that radja modded?

WhiteLight · Post Post #689 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:33 pm

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=65696

Scum was given a ninja to counter the watcher.

WhiteLight · Post Post #690 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:33 pm

I mislynched day 1 because my flavor and soft claim didn't make sense :'(

pirate mollie · Post Post #691 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 4:38 pm

okay

I will lynch guilty but I wanna hear from mav first

pirate mollie · Post Post #692 (ISO) » Fri Jun 17, 2016 7:40 pm

who am I kidding I think it is guilty and shotty too lol

VOTE: guilty lion

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #693 (ISO) » Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:16 am

VOTE: WL
ok caught up, Look I have to say GL is right about one thing even a cop/body guard combo would be a fairly combo.

I believe mollies claim over WLs for sure, and from what I can see scum!WLs best move here is to fake a guilty and live one more day but ensure his partner gets to lylo.

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #694 (ISO) » Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:20 am

see this is why we should have let them check each other and lynched elsewhere yesterday! Now we have no way of anyone backing up anyone else's story, we have two dead town and we are looking at probably a 50/50 shot at lylo tomorrow. We are between a rock and a hard place here. Also why is math scummy, I'm still now getting this. I am, to a large extent, a mathematician. I tutor calculus, and right programming algorithms, my first thought usually is math, btw math helps a lot with games and possible role especially if you assume EV between at least 40/60 to 60/40. I'm not saying it is sure fire but most mods want balance, and math helps us draw lines to be able to fill in the sketch.

ISO · Post Post #695 (ISO) » Sat Jun 18, 2016 3:56 am

So you're GL's scum buddy right?

@Radja - V/LA until July 4

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #696 (ISO) » Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:02 am

Lol no he dies tomorrow, look at my reads list.

ELSE IF town!java
town to scum:
cakes
ss
mollie
bbt
mav
gl
wl

drmyshottyizsik · Post Post #697 (ISO) » Sat Jun 18, 2016 4:04 am

I think if anyone is GLs partner it is WL. Look at how GL stayed tunneled on WL the whole time. WL fucked up and GL tried to bus, hard and alone all day.

ISO · Post Post #698 (ISO) » Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:11 am

I could see WL bussing here maybe
But if they are GL is a good lynch anyway

WhiteLight · Post Post #699 (ISO) » Sat Jun 18, 2016 5:22 am

In post 694, drmyshottyizsik wrote:see this is why we should have let them check each other and lynched elsewhere yesterday! Now we have no way of anyone backing up anyone else's story, we have two dead town and we are looking at probably a 50/50 shot at lylo tomorrow. We are between a rock and a hard place here. Also why is math scummy, I'm still now getting this. I am, to a large extent, a mathematician. I tutor calculus, and right programming algorithms, my first thought usually is math, btw math helps a lot with games and possible role especially if you assume EV between at least 40/60 to 60/40. I'm not saying it is sure fire but most mods want balance, and math helps us draw lines to be able to fill in the sketch.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... dard_Tells

Also I shouldn't have to explain how voting outside the cop and the cop guilty is incredibly scummy play. Like Mollie spent all of yesterday explaining how quickly you can lose a game by waiting to sort stuff like that.

~Bee