In post 103, podoboq wrote: In post 63, karnos wrote:Agree with the above, and...
SirCakez was scum in the original roll open 640. The *only* scum from 640 who made it into the re-roll. What are the chances that he pulled scum again?
VOTE: SirCakez
VOTE: karnos
I was waiting for something....else, but no, this is still it. There needs to be some pressure on karnos to make him actually participate, because this doesn't count.
This is a good post. We were starting to slowly pull ourselves out of RVS at that point, and here comes Karnos rolling back in with a "Hey have some RVS bishes!" post, and no help to the game at all. He tries to throw a shred of validity on it by WIFOMing "what are the odds" of back to back scum rolls. Which in a game of exactly the same setup, the odds of back to back scum roles,
are the exact same odds of any single one of us rolling scum
because each game is played in a bubble, so outside factors do not place any pressure on the pure randomness of each game.
Speaking of players trying to drag us back into RVS hand over foot, here comes shotty. He (blatantly obviously sarcastically) pretends he is a night 0 cop, based off someone else attempting it in the last game, and says pod is scum (a little foreshadowing hindsight 20/20 thing, he later unvotes pod because he's too close to a lynch, showing how even more blatantly RVS this is). And hey look he puts at the towns other biggest scumread as his likely scumbuddy. that's like coming in and going "yeah, i agree with the over-all town consensus 100%, these two are the scum team. game over". yeahno. gtfo
In post 106, MURDERCAT wrote:Maru if you are going to overreact like that to every post about you, you are going to be lynched.
So you're saying, I won't get lynched because I'm scum. I won't get lynched because I'm scumym town. I'll get lynched because you don't like my personality trait of being overtly verbose and explaining everything to minute detail? I thought the goal was to find scum, not to find people who annoy us? But then again, this is from the guy who thinks scumhunting is done in a bubble, without any group interaction and support. Not surprising your methods point you towards those that annoy you rather than scum. Shitty methods, shitty results.
So you just jumped off of your biggest scumread who you still scumread, and who is the leading wagon, onto pod. Because shotty asked you to? wtf? if this isn't wishy-washy I don't know what is.
In post 109, MURDERCAT wrote:Because the unvote was terrible, really looks like he was looking for a reason to take it off.
You then go on to explain your vote less than a minute, almsot as an afterthought like "Oh shit, you know, maybe I should provide a better reason for my vote other than just following shotty". People who care who they lynch (IE: Town, who have to lynch correctly), don't come up with reasons for their vote, post-vote, as an afterthought. They have reasons they express before or in the same post as voting. Because the vote is the most powerful tool the town have.
In post 110, podoboq wrote:OK, so first I'm accused of coaching shotty, then I'm accused of buddying Maru, because I'm trying to explain my reasoning for townreading that wall? Did I get that about right?
remember, any time you expand upon your reads, or encourage good behavior, you're scum because scumhunting is an individual effort, not a group one. Of course you shouldn't explain why you townread someone.
The following interactions between penguin and murder bring up some good relevant content from penguin about Karnos' scum/town meta. Especially since it's from a personal friend of his, who has a higher likelihood of picking up subtler cues in a player's meta. (see singersigner and glork, as they've gotten close in their personal relationship, they can no longer play mafia together because singersigner can immediately read glork's alignment no matter what.)
Not relevant in context, but as I have skimmed the following pages, this is relevant because here shotty is deliberately begging for votes on pod, because he wants a serious wagon, but when that wagon forms all the way to l-1, shotty gets scared and abandons ship. This from the same player who on page two mentioned he loved applying pressure and being a hard-player. I'm seeing inconsistencies with him here.
In post 122, Chip Butty wrote:
Sooooooo....you're saying I am like a puppy you are training? Maybe you can train me to salivate when you ring a bell.
More seriously, this does look like an overreaction to me. I mean, a whole rant about puppy training just because I pointed out an over-the-top endorsement of a point I made? Are you Cesar Millan?
Don't know who Cesar Millan is, and it's not over the top for me. Go meta any scum or town game of me, and you will see the exact same gameplay. Especially in the past 3-4 games I've played while on deployment, when I have to make wall-posts in order to stay involved
@SirCakez's 126 asking me if I make a lot of walls: Yes. Sorry, its an unfortunate requirement of my current situation in life. In about a month, if this game is still ongoing, you will see a drastic reduction in wall posts from me, as I will be home from deployment and be much more constantly-proactive in the game. As an analogy, before I got to my first ship in 90% of the games I was in, at the point of my death/endgame, I usually had by far and above the most posts in the activity log of any player in the game. I was the most articulate player and active player typically. Since getting to a point in my career where I don't have constant 24/7 internet access, I have gotten less numerous in my posts, but I have gotten no less content into the posts I do make. So to make up for the lack of being able to actively participate in every discussion as it happens, I have to catch up all at once. PS: you also make a slightly decent point about pod's unvote, until pod breaks down his reactions immediately after you make your point.
This loosk sketchy as fuck, so I ISO'd you, and your previous posts made it look no less sketchy as fuck. A lot has happened since your last post, not the least of which being my giant wallpost (that some called overreacting), and pod's analysis of how my wallpost affected him directly. Is this vote saying yo udisagree with his analysis, and think we're both still scummy? Is this vote just a blind sheeping of SirCakez? WTF? (I see later, you point out yourself that your vote is sketchy, but that doesn't make it look less sketchy. Your reaction to me, as a player/playerslot would be helpful, as it was a major point for a lot of the back and forth in the 2-3 pages directly following my post yesterday.
In post 129, karnos wrote:- I'm playing in 3 other games at the same time. When we played previously, it was only ever one game at a time, so it had my full time devoted to a single game.
I want to vote you just because your posts are hard to read. Can you try to be a little more concise?
And weirdly, reading podobog defend you while analyzing your last posts makes me like your posts even less.
I really don't like your point 3 in
98: votes are free, and a vote or even a couple votes at this point isn't going to kill anyone. If nothing else, they provide useful pressure and can drive discussion.
Dividing your post into 4 points I want to address.
1. This is a shitty reason to give any less than your all to any game. If you can't play to your normal standards in any game because of the number of other games, you need to get the fuck out of some of those games. A SELF-INDUCED workload of games is NOT a valid excuse to not play your best game possible in any given game at any given time. Fix yourself.
2. Voting for someone based on a playstyle, and because you don't like their posts is fucking stupid. Deal with it, or ignore me and live with the fact you can't read my playerslot due to your ignoring of me. I can't be any more concise and get the points i want to make across. I can only make 1 sometimes 2 posts a day, and you guys are averaging 100 posts a day for me to react to. I will react to everything that happens in the game. I will not skim, I will not hold back, I will not provide any less content due to my limited posting schedule. I will provide the same content I would provide if I could post every 30 minutes. It just happens to all be in one post. I can't help that, I'm sorry it bugs you. Deal with it, or don't. It's not a good reason for lynching someone. Unless you're scum, then any reason to lynch not scum is a good reason.
3. I apologize that someone else's personal reactions to my post, makes you dislike my post? Thats really weird, and nothing I can do to change other people's personal reactions, so I don't know why you made this point.
4. Votes are free. They are also the most powerful weapon any town player has in any given game. When I can only apply one vote in a 24 hour period, why do you want me to waste it on anything less than someone I am 100% willing to be rid of, before I get a chance to check back in 24 hours later? You saw how fast the wagon on pod built. he went from no votes to L-1 in the span of my Sleep Time/Work Day. If I had voted him, that could easily have been a quicklynch while I was without internet access. Why would I want that? I will be sparing with my votes, and only place it where I WANT to lynch someone, and that is my personal choice, and it is not a bad choice.
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's #132, pod seems to be confused by your weird form of listing names that was posted three times consecutively on page 3, that I also addressed as being confused by. Can you please expand on this, and provide more detail as to what these lists are/mean/how you achieve them (especially for page 1 which had so little content, and some of the players on your list had totally not even posted) This is the second time and I am the second person who has asked you to expand.
In post 138, Smithereens wrote:My vote looks sketchy~~
I had an irresistible urge to just lynch a fucker, I'm not gonna lie to you :3 I'm awful.
There's still time to unvote him and lynch someone else though...
WTF is this? First, you point out how sketchy your vote was (it was very sketchy), then you DON'T EXPLAIN IT or make it any less sketchy, you then say you just want to lynch a fucker but don't care who (as in, you could care less if you think they are scum or not!) and continue on to suggesting we move the lynch onto someone else, without moving your vote. WTF is this even. you seriously need to explain this bro.
In post 139, drmyshottyizsik wrote:UNVOTE:
woah, l-1 legit on page 6? No no no, I'm not saying podo isn't scum but it seems more likely that this is a scum driven wagon. Could be both.
p-edit,
that post looked worse than your vote
More shotty. -.- sigh. Aight, so back to our earlier posts of you saying you like applying pressure. But you keep shying away from it? Then you fence sit like a mutherfucker "he MIGHT be scum still! BUT this might be a scum-motivated wagon, WHO KNOWS FOR SURE EH?". this looks really bad on you. THEN you continue on with "OR HEY HE IS SCUM
SCUM ARE PUSHING HIS LYNCH!". Like, is that even a real thing you think is going on right now? less than 10 pages into day one, less than a week into the game, you think scum are hard-bussing their buddy?
In post 157, Transcend wrote:i'm really not super keen about his defense on Maruchan.
pedit: right now i'm thinking karnos/shotty is tvt and they need to get the fuck over themselves.
I'm confused about this sequence of posts. you say smithereens looks suspicious, then mention a player defending me, which smithereens has yet to do. it was pod who was "defending" me. and by defending, i mean he was pointing out how he liked my reactions.
Also agree with smithereens' #116. transcend is my best townread at the moment.
Transcend's #116, is the "punishing the dog for peeing inside" of my example. He discourages us from posting or town reads, because he perceives it as buddying. Sharing your reads, both town/scum, is a good thing. it keeps for consistency. if you're always talking about your reads, it's easier to catch you out in being inconsistent with your reads.
Shotty's #169 is horrible and he is my biggest scumread at the moment, but I'd also be happy with a smithereens vote.
VOTE: drmyshottyizsik
