Mini 1804: Poker Mafia (Game Over)

[lane0168]

Where the ducks kappy? Where the ducks faq2? He hasn't posted in 65 hours. Where's red coyote? Where's bbt?

[lane0168]

Oh yeah. Bbt can stay away. Worthless anyways

[FA_Q2]

Same for FAQ unfortunately.

Give me time - been a busy week.

[FA_Q2]

MM, if you end up with your current cash at end of phase, what will you do with it, and why?

This is rather blatant role fishing. There is no town reason to tell scum what you are going to do with the money gained - it jsut tells them who they need to eliminate and/or what potential a particular slot may have.

@the mm, why are you letting people think you're a noobie, when you're not

I don't have a definite plan in head, so I'm open to suggestions. The Tracker shot is tempting me as the most obviously townie ability of choice, then again I don't know who I'd track. The Tracker shot has the advantage of being refunded if the target does nothing.

And you should not be discussing those plans anyway.

[FA_Q2]

So Lane, you had garbage, and went all in when there wasn't much to win, but significant number of people left to call. Why? Again, I could get that if you pleaded ignorance about poker, but you then acted as if you're pretty knowledgeable about poker.

MM's call with a straight is of course reasonable. If the chip dumping theory has merit, it has to be based on lane's action alone. Although as noted lane claims poker knowledge but made a bad play, he does goof off at times, and its not like this is for real money.

No. If this was a gambit then MM being the scum that lane was ceding the money to makes sense. His actions are just as important to analyzing the hand flips as lane's actions are. I still do not buy lane's excuse for making such a colossal poker error while, at the same time, accusing others of not understanding poker. It just does not add up.

VOTE: lane

[FA_Q2]

And I forgot -

Fold

[Infinity 324]

You have any other reads? Why vote lane over persivul?

[The MM]

15 games played and 3 games hosted. And a read through your first game, tells me you really shouldn't be hiding behind a noobie tag. But it's a pretty convenient way out that people suggest you're a newbie and you do nothing to explain even that you've played 14 games and hosted 3 elsewhere, regardless of the quality of those games

I feel like you're trying to make me snap at you. i've already explained that most of these games taught me nothing about serious play like in here. This is entirely different. I will be holding that newbie tag until I prove I'm competent. Is that even true yet? I doubt it.

You have any other reads? Why vote lane over persivul?

Why not? Persivul looks kinda shady and wildcard-ish to me, but I understand the vote against lane.

As for FAQ telling me not to tell anything, I wonder if he's keeping me safe or trying to sow distrust. If I consider FAQ as help, that casts extra shade on Persivul...

ISOing Persivul gives me: Threats to get the winner lynched regardless of alignment, pursuing me instead of lane for the chip-dumping theory (I'm sure lane's lynch would prove a lot more than mine, but then again it's consistent with his attempt at grabbing money), asking for my plans (a bad experience from my first game here is starting to tell me that this benefits scum far too much more than town, actually). No town ping and some really shady pings.
VOTE: Persivul

[Persivul]

Same for FAQ unfortunately.

Give me time - been a busy week.

No. Last time I saw you lurk like this you were scum.

VOTE: FAQ2

[Persivul]

This is rather blatant role fishing. There is no town reason to tell scum what you are going to do with the money gained - it jsut tells them who they need to eliminate and/or what potential a particular slot may have.

The best choices are really fucking obvious. The point was to see his frame of mind.

[lane0168]

How is it so hard to wrap your heads around me not thinking of the jokers? I've played exactly zero poker games in my life with jokers wild. Zero five card draw hands where you don't get to draw. How is it this hard to believe?

Jokers wild isn't normal. Bluffing is pretty normal.

And fa_q2 why would you vote me over the mm? That makes no sense

[lane0168]

Lol role fishing. Well we have one person who has won a pot. Hopefully scum doesn't notice. Fucking god dammit Persivul, scum will know who to kill now!

[Something_Smart]

FA, answer my questions. Lane, stop defending your bluff and start scumhunting.

[lane0168]

I will. As soon as people stop using "oh he talks about knowing poker but made such a stupid play must be scum" until people can understand the difference, I won't stop.

And I've been scum hunting the whole time on top of that.

[Infinity 324]

Lane is moving up to pretty strong town for being open with all his thoughts.

I don't like faq's entrance but I'll wait for him to answer my questions before I move my vote off of RC.

[FA_Q2]

You have any other reads? Why vote lane over persivul?

Why vote persivul?

I am not sure if it is just a dumb idea he is pushing or if it is scum.

[FA_Q2]

Same for FAQ unfortunately.

Give me time - been a busy week.

No. Last time I saw you lurk like this you were scum.

VOTE: FAQ2

You have no idea about my meta at all.

Pathetic vote.

[FA_Q2]

FA, why is lane bullshitting to cover his bad play scummy? We're playing two games here, he screwed up in one game in a way that only slightly affected the other. Do you think lane's play makes sense as scum if MM isn't his partner?

Because the only real reasoning behind his bad play is that scum wants to combine money pools. It does make a lot more sense with MM as his partner. When lane flips scum MM is the obvious lynch the next day.

[lane0168]

I feel like if you actually thought we could be partners you'd lynch the one with money that I dumped into. So they couldn't buy abilities

[lane0168]

If I was scum and had day talk... And I planned a scum money dump, how do you think that would actually go? What would be the actual plan?

First of all I wouldn't do the plan if we didn't have better than a pair. And I would've been aware of jokers so a pair doesn't mean much. You can figure this out by saying I have a bad, meh, good, very good, probably unbeatable hand.

2 options to start. Either the one with the good hand goes all in, and the shit hand calls. Or the bad hand goes all in and the good hand calls.

To me, it makes sense for the good hand to go all in first. Then if town calls and there's a chance they have a better hand, the bad hand can save its money. That obviously didn't happen.

So now if the bad hand goes all in, and even if a town calls, the good hand would still go all in, because it would've been decided its a very good hand that probably wouldn't get beat.

Considering there was only one call, the only option here is me and mm.

That's no way we would do that plan unless we were very confident we wouldn't be throwing money away. Cause that'd be dumber than town going all in on a bluff.

So faq2, why aren't you voting the mm?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Oh yeah. Bbt can stay away. Worthless anyways

Cheeky cunt.

[lane0168]

Lol

[lane0168]

I meant you're being worthless so far. Not that you Are worthless.

Like I never call my gf a bitch. But sometimes she's a little bitchy. Lol

[RedCoyote]

Fold

. More to come, but I want to keep the game portion going.

[Kappy]

@Mod: Request to be replaced. Too much went on when I was VLA, and the game is too confusing.