Mini 1806 : DotA Mafia [Round 1 - SD] (Game Over ?!)

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 1.2

Fire Assassin (2) : Dunnstral , Nosferatu
Shiro (1) : Ircher
Radical Rat (1) : Fire Assassin

Not Voting (6) : Shiro , Snarky Snowman , Yume , thenewearth , Masquerade , Radical Rat

With 10 players alive it takes 6 votes to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2016-07-09 05:30:00)

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[Ircher]

Survivor can win with mafia. Therefore I don't even consider it a mislynch

It can win with town too, and mafia gain more from lynching the survivor than town does.

[Ircher]

Really, @Frozen's Future Reference, I think the Survivor is rather broken as it's almost bound to get in LyLo, be kingmaker, and have an almost guaranteed win.

Mafia could fakeclaim, but it isn't worth it in the long run esp. since the survivor can win with them.

Town lynching the Survivor is an utterly stupid idea that is worse than No Lynch since you're 1) Lynching someone confirmed to be not against you and 2) You're giving mafia a free kill basically.

[Masquerade]

As far as I'm concerned survivor is a neutral semi-IC this game and shouldn't claim without a good reason.

Survivor can win with mafia. Therefore I don't even consider it a mislynch

I sort of get what you're saying but he shouldn't count towards scum majority so it's actually worse for town than for scum to lynch him.

I'm pretty sure rn that Fire is town. Thenewearth and Ircher are weak townreads. Radical Rat a weak scumlean, but since the rest is null I'll go here for now.

VOTE: Radical Rat

[Fire Assassin]

Really, @Frozen's Future Reference, I think the Survivor is rather broken as it's almost bound to get in LyLo, be kingmaker, and have an almost guaranteed win.

Mafia could fakeclaim, but it isn't worth it in the long run esp. since the survivor can win with them.

Town lynching the Survivor is an utterly stupid idea that is worse than No Lynch since you're 1) Lynching someone confirmed to be not against you and 2) You're giving mafia a free kill basically.

We aren't going to put into a huge argument or spend anymore of this day on talking about whether to lynch survivors because its 1) Policy talk 2) Not scummhunting.

So I am leaving that talk about this.
Now about the setup thing you complain about. This setup has been in development for several months. Before it was in signups and before then the division of numbers of scum-survivor-town were already implemented. To complain about it now seems absurd to me. To complain at all, and say "Just so you know". It just irks me. As a setup developer who has put out games as semi-open when people only complain about the game during the game. Its the most annoying thing in the world.

[Fire Assassin]

Going to end that tirade.
Dire team has been the most quiet besides ircher. Shiro I want to hear more from you.

[Frozen Angel]

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[Nosferatu]

I'm in too many games

replace out

replacing out now so my replacement doesn't have too much to catch up on

[Frozen Angel]

Searching a replacement for Nosferatu.

[Frozen Angel]

Vedith replaces Nosferatu effective immediately.

[Vedith]

VOTE: Shiro
I'll just leave that there while I catch up!

[Dunnstral]

Is there a reason to vote Shiro based on the Dire chat?

[Vedith]

This can be pro town or pro scum.
If survivor claims that is one less town that can die at night.
Survivor should not claim.

I don't see this as pro town at all.
Can you advise what the benefit would be to ask this? (On a town view, of course.)

[Vedith]

Is there a reason to vote Shiro based on the Dire chat?

No, I'm just voting Shiro, because it's Shiro!
Nothing unusual from our dire chat, it's a little quiet there.

[Vedith]

And I still think the same way.

Who cares? I made my pick based on character preference, Character pick and discards have no bearing on alignemnt imo

Although that's the case, what need is there to provide scum with any sort of information?
Even more so when it's a solo claim.

[Vedith]

Survivor can win with mafia. Therefore I don't even consider it a mislynch

Considering that this was a even a debate , this is the exact attitude to take.
The fact that Ircher doesn't like the idea of pushing a lynch on a claimed Survivor instead of letting them live to LyLo is crazy.

Doesn't mean that either Fire or Dunnstral get town credit for thinking this way, as scum will always be happy to lynch a claimed survivor over the risk of themselves.
This just really goes against Ircher imo.

[Vedith]

Mafia could fakeclaim, but it isn't worth it in the long run esp. since the survivor can win with them.

Hi risk, hi reward.

I'm pretty sure rn that Fire is town.

Howcome?

Lol.

I thought you thought TNE was mafia? Why'd you rvs vote Yume...?

Can we discuss this further. Was this only to the fact of revealing discards etc?

[Ircher]

Survivor can win with mafia. Therefore I don't even consider it a mislynch

Considering that this was a even a debate , this is the exact attitude to take.
The fact that Ircher doesn't like the idea of pushing a lynch on a claimed Survivor instead of letting them live to LyLo is crazy.

Doesn't mean that either Fire or Dunnstral get town credit for thinking this way, as scum will always be happy to lynch a claimed survivor over the risk of themselves.
This just really goes against Ircher imo.

They can win with town too. Why would you give mafia an extra night to kill townies?

[Dunnstral]

Fire said something to the effect of "I think TNE is mafia already in pre-game"

I later mentioned that we should all come out voting FA, and he came out rvs voting someone not in our radiant chat

[Vedith]

But that's the whole argument... As town, we want additional targets for scum to kill.
If they take that away from us, they are only hurting us.

The fact that they can side with scum is why they shouldn't make it to Lylo. Would you prefer to lynch them closer to the time when it's more desperate, or straight of the bat?

[Vedith]

Fire said something to the effect of "I think TNE is mafia already in pre-game"

I later mentioned that we should all come out voting FA, and he came out rvs voting someone not in our radiant chat

So there was no backing to it? Possible humor comment?

Also - 94 was at 92, to clarify.

[Ircher]

Really, @Frozen's Future Reference, I think the Survivor is rather broken as it's almost bound to get in LyLo, be kingmaker, and have an almost guaranteed win.

Mafia could fakeclaim, but it isn't worth it in the long run esp. since the survivor can win with them.

Town lynching the Survivor is an utterly stupid idea that is worse than No Lynch since you're 1) Lynching someone confirmed to be not against you and 2) You're giving mafia a free kill basically.

We aren't going to put into a huge argument or spend anymore of this day on talking about whether to lynch survivors because its 1) Policy talk 2) Not scummhunting.

So I am leaving that talk about this.
Now about the setup thing you complain about. This setup has been in development for several months. Before it was in signups and before then the division of numbers of scum-survivor-town were already implemented. To complain about it now seems absurd to me. To complain at all, and say "Just so you know". It just irks me. As a setup developer who has put out games as semi-open when people only complain about the game during the game. Its the most annoying thing in the world.

1) I knew about the setup thread, but I never really looked closely til recently (when I decided to join)
2) It may be annoying, but 90% of it is how you view it.
3) There's a reason this is an experiment/test run.

So, while you have some basis, I think you took the comment way over-the-top.

[Masquerade]

@Vedith: I'm townreading Fire because he's actively trying to get discussion going, he's taking clear stances and shows he's willing to listen to others which tells me he wants to work together. That's something I think comes from town sooner than scum. I won't deny it's also a small part pre-flip association from my scumread on Rat.
I get you regarding the survivor, if we end up in lylo it's easy for survivor to just follow any lynch and not care about who it is because they win anyway. That does make him a liability for us later on. I don't want to talk about this anymore. We can't force the survivor to do anything, he should play to his own wincon and make up his own mind. To me it's more important we do well in finding scum, that way the survivor will have no reason to side with them.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Yume

I can clearly tell you've been elsewhere on the site.Why are you avoiding this thread?

[Radical Rat]

Vedith, you're putting this against Ircher, yet I was the one who suggested the Survivor claim and I'm the one saying I'll be opposing a Survivor lynch.

Normally, I don't like saying things like "I should be a scumread," but in this case your logic doesn't line up with not at least mentioning me, and I worry that you might be trying to fake an association.

VOTE: Vedith