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Post #69 (isolation #4) » Wed Jun 29, 2016 9:54 am
Postby Postie »
The interactions between Fire and BNL at the top of this page are giving me weird SvS vibes.
In post 52, Fire Assassin wrote:I really didn't like Elyse posts cause they seemed lazy excuses for the posts, but given this reaction by Bullet. I am now thinking its more town, which is by associations, which I hate.
Meh, not enough right now for reading Elyse probably.
Gun to head probably lazyish town.
Bullet thoughts on duppin?
This post in particular is just... ehghrghdfaslsdfjklf...
In post 95, Elyse wrote:I'm guessing FA is going to say I'm scum with Aris for saying that FA is looked upon favorably for the Aris wagon which is stupid since I obviously meant that he's at the forefront of the Aris push. He looks good for scumhunting and stuff. And I'm also scumreading Aris, so if you incorrectly interpreted it as me saying he'll look good because Aris is flipping scum, that's in line with my reads.
If it's something else then idk lol.
Its word choices and tone.
First off lets show case it:
. Postie's FA suspicion just doesn't seem like something scum
would do right now.
This rings of awareness of what scum is likely to do in a certain scenario and words "right now" bring attention that they could act in this way, but aren't doing it yet.
Aris is getting run up, there's some heat on me, FA is probably getting looked upon favorably because of the Aris wagon.
Hyper awareness of the situation. Scum are usually the most aware players of scenarios.
It'd be a weird time for him to switch focus onto FA under no pressure as scum. It just feels genuine.
Timing is key in this section. The idea is that they are aware of what will and won't look good for scum to do in certain scenarios at certain moments in time. Elyse is looking at the game in the perspective as a scum player. They are not looking at it from the perspective of it in the terms they are town and how scum would act, but what they would personally do. This is what I am seeing.
Wow this is so bad.
Fire, please exlpain in detail why
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Post #119 (isolation #10) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 1:43 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 118, TellTaleHeart wrote:I might agree with your premise if Postie were either very green or an exceptionally slow learner but she strikes me as neither. I feel like you're using a framework for a newbie to intermediate-level player on a lot more of an advanced player.
I don't understand what you're saying here at all, TTH.
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Post #121 (isolation #11) » Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:21 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 118, TellTaleHeart wrote:I might agree with your premise if Postie were either very green or an exceptionally slow learner but she strikes me as neither. I feel like you're using a framework for a newbie to intermediate-level player on a lot more of an advanced player.
Oh, yeah, I get that. I just wasn't following how that relates to Elyse's argument about my push being unlikely to come from scum because it isn't the kind of push people can sheep, so it's not effective at derailing the Aristo wagon.
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Post #167 (isolation #14) » Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:01 am
Postby Postie »
Well, for one, she feels like she's actually playing the game rather than lurking and occasionally throwing in a safe post that doesn't progress the game whatsoever.
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Post #173 (isolation #17) » Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:20 am
Postby Postie »
In post 171, GuiltyLion wrote:also, it's odd to me that you focused on "fake" being harsh here instead of "worthless". I feel like "worthless" should be more offensive to a town!Postie, since town knows by default that their reads aren't faked, but can get invested in their reads and defensive about their quality. "fake" just implies that your justification of the read is scummy.
I already admitted it was potentially worthless though, so not really? The accusation just came out of the blue so I was like, "well, that escalated quickly".
If my townread holds up I'll explain it at a later date. If say what he's doing right now that's making me townread him then that's an invitation for scum!Fire to keep faking said behaviour.
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Post #175 (isolation #18) » Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:35 am
Postby Postie »
In post 174, duppin wrote:You thought they were a team earlier because of the interactions between them on page 3, so I take it you like their interactions on this page?
No, it's nothing to do with how they've interacted.
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Post #177 (isolation #19) » Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:50 am
Postby Postie »
Actually yeah, I think so.
In post 139, Fire Assassin wrote:Theres actually a reason BNL might be just weird in general, so its kind of a reason I don't want to lynch him today at all.
Don't have one. I agree his opening was a bit off, but not off enough for me to consider him a scumread.
I think his wagon is largely, if not completely, town-driven. Maybe there's a scum sitting on it somewhere, but I think the people actually pushing it are likely town.
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Post #218 (isolation #22) » Sun Jul 03, 2016 12:31 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 206, Aristophanes wrote:Postie: I have a slight scum lean there. Her posting is very simplistic and I don't feel like she's putting the effort I expect into sorting people. All the one liners feel easily faked and have little actual backing stated.
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Post #223 (isolation #23) » Sun Jul 03, 2016 5:28 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 222, Aristophanes wrote:I don't want to quote wall it, but the majority of your posts are just "I like this." "I don't like this." "So and so is town." "This is scum."
The deepest read we have from you is your TTH townread, which is based on admittedly weak meta.
In post 205, Postie wrote:I think she's town but it's more of a gut thing at the moment. I just get weird protesty vibes from her posts that feel town somehow.
51 was bad. BNL is bad a lot but that post is like scum-bad.
Just finished a marathon game where he was scum and his reasoning was similarlybad so I'm no longer willing to give him the benefit of the doubt right now.
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Post #229 (isolation #25) » Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:24 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 228, Aristophanes wrote:171 does read as pretty faked reasoning, I agree. From his other posts though, I'm getting alright vibes and like the questioning and prodding he's doing to keep conversation going. Do these effect your read at all?
No. His other posts are null to me. I'm not sure how familiar you are with his scumgame but he's more than capable of faking this kind of thing.
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Post #246 (isolation #27) » Mon Jul 04, 2016 1:39 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 245, duppin wrote:I'm honestly not sure what to think of this post. You agree that this does not seem like his townplay, so where exactly are you going with this?
In post 244, Postie wrote:I agree but I see little reason to suppose this is scum!Aristo as opposed to just different!Aristo.
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Post #267 (isolation #29) » Wed Jul 06, 2016 12:59 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 254, duppin wrote:You see little reason to suppose this is scum Aristo as opposed to just different Aristo, but for some reason it sounds like you believe that makes him more town, correct?
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Post #279 (isolation #32) » Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:01 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 248, Aristophanes wrote:I was not throwing shade at Postie, I'm refuting something I believe to be incorrect. Responding to "her scumgame is weak" with "no, she literally got Nommed for a Scummy for it" is not throwing shade.
For us to be a scumteam, I'd have to be scum. And I'm not scum. So...
In post 249, Aristophanes wrote:I didn't vote Postie because I obviously need a better footing here, as I'm missing too many things (as Elyse noted). I need to reevaluate things before proceeding.
In post 251, Aristophanes wrote:Oh.
Well, from my experience, your scum game is not weak at all. I may be tainted by that first encounter though. RC talked you up A Lot! And I respect his opinions on players quite a bit.
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Post #282 (isolation #34) » Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:05 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 278, GuiltyLion wrote:I guess I will just say that Postie's approach towards her gut townread on Aristo feels different this game than her approach in Word Sneak 2, and I thought Aristo was far townier in WS2 than he is here. In WS2 she said she thought he was probably town but still pushed him on things and asked for explanations, here she's kinda just ignoring him.
I like how you call me out on being different but then just leave those comments hanging in the air without saying anything about what you think they mean with regards to my alignment.
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Post #284 (isolation #35) » Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:08 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 281, Elyse wrote:There was an attempt to counter wagon on me and one on Bullet.
Those have had zero traction though. And the fact that the Aristo wagon has sprung up so organically and no one is being particularly forceful about it I feel rules out the possibility of scum bussing.
This is a mislynch. Unvote.
In post 281, Elyse wrote:I am townreading everyone on the wagon and strongly scumreading Aris.
a) Why are you townreading the people on the wagon?
b) Even if everyone on the wagon were town, what does that have anything to do with Aristo's alignment?
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Post #290 (isolation #38) » Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:18 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 288, GuiltyLion wrote:P-EDIT: what's the alignment-indicative difference between me explicitly saying "Postie's townread on Aristo doesn't look like the last time I played with town!her and she has a townread on Aristo,
therefore I think she's scummy
" vs omitting that last part? That feels like a semantic point from you
Because one says "here is why I'm scumreading Postie" and the other says "hey guys have you noticed this thing Postie did? isn't
totally
weird? omg guys look!".
It also leaves room for you to backtrack if people disagree and go "well I never said I was scumreading Postie; I just thought it was weird so I made a note of it".
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Post #292 (isolation #39) » Wed Jul 06, 2016 2:21 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 291, Elyse wrote:You ruled out bussing but then ask why everyone being town on the wagon has to do with Aris' alignment. Lol. Bussing this early on day 1 in a micro when Aris isn't an obvious lynch is an unlikely move for scum so a wagon with a bunch of townies on it looks good to me.
Yeah because town never wagon town amirite
In post 291, Elyse wrote:Not going through my reasons for townreading the three of them, do you disagree with any?
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Post #297 (isolation #41) » Wed Jul 06, 2016 5:05 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 296, Elyse wrote:Except both of us agreed bussing is unlikely. So what wagon composition should I be looking for?
I'm saying it's a town-led wagon on town.
In post 296, Elyse wrote:GL didn't back down or take a wishy-washy position when you questioned him which makes me think his intention was to scumread you.
Hmmn, perhaps. It's still giving me weird feelings though. :/
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Post #317 (isolation #42) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:20 pm
Postby Postie »
Alright so one of BNL/duppin is scum. Cool.
But in all seriousness what the fuck. If you're both town here I'm going to preface every one of my posts post-game with a sad-looking orange. Not even joking.
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Post #320 (isolation #43) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:53 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 301, duppin wrote:I'm going to ask you for the third time (or fourth?), what was the purpose of #244?
And I'm going to give you my answer for a second (or third?) time: I agree this doesn't feel like Aristo's townplay, but it also doesn't feel like his scumplay, so my 244 was me pointing out the flaw in your logic if you were scumreading him for it.
In post 301, duppin wrote:I fail to see the town motivation behind it. Basically what you said was that you agreed this wasn't his town game but just him playing differently, which honestly just implies that he could be either alignment. That is correct.
Seeing as you agree it isn't his town game, don't you think it is a good idea to pressure him to get a better read? I thought so, apparently you did not because otherwise I do not see why'd you post that.
I assumed your vote was a serious vote, not a pressure vote. It would have helped if you'd have said this earlier. Your vote wasn't accompanied by any attempts to engage Aristo, which is what I'd have expected from someone trying to put pressure on him, and so it came across more like an opportunistic jump onto his wagon and/or vote parking. Which is why I called you out on it.
In post 301, duppin wrote:I felt like you were trying to discourage me from voting on him but on the otherhand you weren't willing to commit to a townread. Seemed a bit like fencesitting.
If not having a read on a player is fencesitting then I guess I was fencesitting.
In post 301, duppin wrote:But if that is the case, please explain why you thought he was town at the time? Because the posts you brought up in #279 all came after #244, so obviously they couldn't have been part of your initial gut read on him.
I didn't. I disagreed with your vote on him because I didn't like the reasoning behind it.
In post 242, Elyse wrote:239 pings me so hard. The overjustified, apologetic unvote of Bullet, the slight shade at Postie, the ridiculous defense of Bullet at the end when you were voting him like two posts earlier.
That was such an awkward and complete backoff of Bullet for "towny toned posts that you missed". Like are you even reading the game? You've "missed" a crazy amount of posts.
I wouldn't be surprised with a Bullet/Aris scumteam.
Being apologetic and over-justifying stuff is just an Aristo thing; it isn't alignment indicative. I didn't see him throwing any shade at me at me either, only calling someone out on calling my scumgame weak; there was nothing there to imply I should be scumread because of it. Saying something isn't a good example of someone's meta is hardly a defence either, especially since he was addressing BNL and not the thread.
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Post #332 (isolation #48) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:19 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 329, Fire Assassin wrote:Now can you explain beyond wagon speed why aristo is a mislynch?
It seems a weird read, you explained away things as NAI so what exactly makes it a town mislynch if only thing is the speed?
I didn't say wagon speed. I wouldn't make a wagon speed argument I'm not that bad anymore god.
He's town because there have been no counterwagons that have gotten any traction. And scum aren't bussing or there'd be people making a bigger deal of getting Aristo lynched.
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Post #336 (isolation #49) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:23 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 330, TellTaleHeart wrote:Other than "gut" and something about ~wagon feels~, is there a reason for this insistence?
OH MY GOD
Scum aren't going to sit there and twiddle their thumbs while their partner gets lynched. They'll either push a counterwagon or start actively pushing for his lynch so they can take credit for it, and no one is doing either of those things.
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Post #356 (isolation #54) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:51 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 354, TellTaleHeart wrote:Are you saying I should have what I consider developed reads on
everyone
before voting/lynching? Because If I did that, I would never vote and Day 1s would never end.
No. I'm saying if someone can only reasonably be scum with one particular person then it makes sense to get a read on both of those people before lynching one of them.
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Post #366 (isolation #57) » Thu Jul 07, 2016 3:19 pm
Postby Postie »
In post 365, GuiltyLion wrote:Postie, what's the benefit to scum!BNL or scum!GL of hopping to your wagon here? Especially in my case, as I was already on a wagon that has a high chance of going through today.
Not only do I not immediately see the alleged scum!motivation for BNL's vote there, your reaction also seemed panicky as it was literally the second vote on you. When I think of opportunistic votes, I'm thinking middle-end of the wagon, not beginning of the wagon.
Because his jump came instantly after duppin's. He had a townread on me and then as soon as duppin made his case he
suddenly
had all these reasons to scumread me.
Although I do feel like I'm more likely to be wrong on BNL than I am you, and TTH is being pretty bad.