Mini 1804: Poker Mafia (Game Over)

[lane0168]

@magna, please link to one game where this satisfies fire assassins scum meta

[Alchemist21]

^ shit - wrong thread. Can you take car of that MOD?

~Done.

Why did faq2 accidentally post here... But never... Post here?

It was a post clearly meant for another game so I deleted it.

[Alchemist21]

♠ ♡ DAY 1 VOTECOUNT ♢ ♣

MM(2):

Red Coyote, Qubixes

Persivul(2):

MM, FA

FA_Q2(2):

Infinity, lane

MagnaofIllusion(2):

Persivul, Something Smart

Fire Assassin:

Magna

Infinity:

BBT

Not Voting:

Fire Assassin

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

The current pot is $250

The amount to call is $100

Still in the hand: MagnaOfIllusion, Persivul, Fire Assassin

Fire Assassin must act.

Spoiler: Betting History

Bet orders:
Ante
Persivul bets 50
Bbt folds
Mm folds
Qubixes folds
Infinity folds
Something smart folds
Magnaofillusion raises to 100
FA_Q2 folds
RC folds
Persivul calls

Day ends in (expired on 2016-07-05 12:30:00)

[lane0168]

^ shit - wrong thread. Can you take car of that MOD?

~Done.

Why did faq2 accidentally post here... But never... Post here?

It was a post clearly meant for another game so I deleted it.

Yeah I know, I just wish he would've said something meant for this game

[Infinity 324]

Those are all good points on faq2

It feels like both moi and fa_q2 would do anything not to vote the mm. And I don't like that

And I also don't get this logic.

@MoI and faq2, why is lane scummy for going all in if his partner isn't mm? No one other than mm called him.

Scum is in {faq2, bbt, fire} with an off chance of rc, persivul, or qubixes

[Fire Assassin]

Lets see what this does:
VOTE: FA_Q2

[lane0168]

I feel so dumb. I just figured out what fa_q2 means

[Persivul]

Lets see what this does:
VOTE: FA_Q2

Would you please make your poker action?

[Persivul]

I can't find another scum game for him.

If you can't find a scum game in here you are not looking very hard -

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... &sr=topics

Maybe I could, but what's the point? What is that search?

I clicked on FIre Assassin, then on "view their topics," and got this:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... &sr=topics

I found the one scum game that I mentioned.

If you have others in which he lurked, please name them so we can check them.

[Persivul]

I feel so dumb. I just figured out what fa_q2 means

I haven't. Enlighten me.

[Infinity 324]

^^ lol yeah I don't know either

Fire Assassin is an alt of firebringer I believe so that's where the other games are coming from

[Persivul]

If that's the case, with as many games as FB has played there's probably some where he's lurked as scum, but probably a bunch where he's had high post counts as scum too. But Magna is willing to spend an hour going back four years over a minor comment, so I would think he could prove the meta charge if it's accurate.

[lane0168]

I feel so dumb. I just figured out what fa_q2 means

I haven't. Enlighten me.

^^ lol yeah I don't know either

Fire Assassin is an alt of firebringer I believe so that's where the other games are coming from

Fay queue 2. Fake U2!

[lane0168]

I'm not sure fire assassin is firebringer alt. Sources?

[Infinity 324]

Got that impression from here

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p7938080

[Something_Smart]

also there's this so yeah he definitely is.
I wasn't going to reveal it, but now that it's outed, I'll say that my gut always tells me to scumread Firebringer (at least when he's town) so reading him will be tough but I thought his "probably" line was characteristic of his towngame (though nothing he couldn't fake if he wanted to).

[lane0168]

I can't find another scum game for him.

If you can't find a scum game in here you are not looking very hard -

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... &sr=topics

What a [redacted]. This makes me mad. What was so hard about simply saying oh he's a firebringer alt, probably why you can't find more, instead of being such a [redacted] about it and expecting everyone to know its an alt. [redacted]

[lane0168]

Lying in bed something struck me as I was thinking about fire. so I came here to iso something_smart. I think I'll be voting there tomorrow. We'll see. Tomorrow as in June 29th. Gonna be a busy day though.

[Infinity 324]

I looked at persivul's iso and it contains a lot of votes changing around without a lot of explanations or reads. Don't think his vote on faq2 is a bus though.

@persivul, what are your reads atm

[FA_Q2]

s_s, a lot of things in that post seem to suggest I'm scum, why do you think I'm town?

About mm, I think he's been less careful (the inconsistencies people mention are an example of this) than noob scum would be, especially because he seems more of a careful person to me. I feel like he started off posting carefully, but once he got put under pressure he panicked and tried to over-explain, whereas as scum he would have good explanations prepared for his actions. He also seems quite willing to engage.

PEdit: I don't agree with that at all faq2, and honestly that reasoning seems pretty fabricated. Lane has definitely been trying to scumhunt, the "character attacks" are NAI, and I think most of his changes in reads so far have had a good reason for them.

PEdit 2: Oh I didn't realize that part of your quote about persivul was about the rolefishing. Were you unsure about it from the beginning?

Why do you think persivul is scum for using something you don't think is a scumtell?

It is not necessity a scum tell in this case (as there are already some knowns about the abilities themselves). I do not like the response though.

He does not engage directly with the charge - rather he tries to attack me with a BS meta charge. The timing there is extremely suspect (didn't have any problem with my activity before then), he does not actually go into my meta at all, uses activity as a meta tell which is asinine to start with and ultimately sidesteps the original issue to begin with using that charge. He also tried to cover his fishing with the statement that his choices were obvious not even giving credence to the fact that outing the decisions made tells scum exactly what powers he has and how much money he has remaining. For instance, should he say he was going to purchase the first ability then he does not present any real threat to scum but if he saves that cash for the last one there is a chance that they may want to take him out to prevent that purchase. IOW, rather than get into why his query was toxic to town he attacks immediately and brushes off the fact that town gains no useful information with the question but scum gains tons. If he were town then he would have been genuinely concerned with why I thought such information would be a bad idea to share. There was zero of that.

The more I think about it the more I want a Persivul lynch before a Lane lynch.
VOTE: Persivul

Lane can wait till tomorrow.

What I don't like about the Persivul case, is he says the role fishing is blatant, and also not a tell. Yet here he talks about Persivul trying to cover his role fishing. It was obvious. True, but what's to cover? I feel like he's just trying to pad the case with whatever he can.

Literally no one cared about the role fishing because what was said was true, scum know who the most powerful person is, there's nothing to hide. And yet hes after Persivul about it. When nobody in the game cares? I don't see anything wrong with Persivul's reaction.

So because no one seems to agree with my case that makes it scummy? That is a pathetically weak argument.

Pers is scum - I do not see his actions coming from a town mindset. I was not 'padding' the case either - it is a good case in my opinion and if you don't like it oh well.

[FA_Q2]

I feel so dumb. I just figured out what fa_q2 means

I haven't. Enlighten me.

It is the phonetic spelling of fuck you too from way back in the BBS days.

[Persivul]

I looked at persivul's iso and it contains a lot of votes changing around without a lot of explanations or reads. Don't think his vote on faq2 is a bus though.

I've had 4 votes, 1 in RVS.

I checked your ISO. You've had 4 votes, 1 in RVS.

Why do you characterize my ISO as having "a lot of votes changing around"?

[Persivul]

WTF, if firebringer doesn't act soon I'm replacing. This is bullshit.

[Fire Assassin]

What action?

[Fire Assassin]

I call $100