Mini 1804: Poker Mafia (Game Over)

[Fire Assassin]

VOTE: The MM
This is the right lynch for the day folks. I can make a case if requested but most of their posts are very scummy in some way and have either bad reasoning or skewered priorities and they leak their knowledge that they have more information than the rest of us.

[Fire Assassin]

Also I want to add in that I think we should throw poker games tomorrow to give our strongest town read the BP and ability to buy good stuff.
That is the secondary objective we should be obviously be pursuing besides lynching the scum.

Give strongest townread BP and make sure they get the PRs so they can't die, and we will lock scum out of choosing one of their best kills.

[MagnaofIllusion]

I’m going to give myself a couple of hours to decide whether to replace out. The only reason I’m not doing it in this post is because Pers already jumped ship and I don’t want to potentially kill the Mod’s game with double replacments. That’s not really fair to him.

416 is the kind of toxic garbage I try to avoid by dodging players who spew it during the sign-up process. Lane now goes on that list of players to completely avoid in the future.

[lane0168]

Your post was the toxic garbage magna. Like I said. You couldn't just say it was an alt... You had to go your pretentious route and say someone isn't looking very hard in a place they wouldn't know to look. That's just being a jerk

[Fire Assassin]

Hey lane I would like to discuss things with you.
How are you doing btw?

[lane0168]

Good. I've had a kid since I saw you last. Gonna make grabbing that beer harder lol. Wait, stop, don't be chummy with me lol. You?

[Fire Assassin]

Naah, just set the kid down for a nap and we can get a cold one.
Thats great though, I think you said something about it in Legends of the Micro Temple. Must be hell right now with it. I hear the first years i the worst.

I am doing alright, sleep problems right now (been up all night).
Other than that not as many changes in my life as yours

[Infinity 324]

Guys, try to keep calm, it's a game. It's hard enough without people insulting each other.

The replace out itself I think is town though.

Replacing out is a NAI, but everything up to it was very more townlike i would have to say. He could have easily just not wanted to deal with me given our conflicting natures. I have gotten angry before and wanted to replace out as scum before so I should know. I actually kind of think he might be just angry in general and this burst the bubble, but that is personal speculation that has no business in a mafia game.

That, and I also think this particular replace out was town because it was driven by frustration in what he thought was restriction in his scumhunting. We'll see.

VOTE: The MM
This is the right lynch for the day folks. I can make a case if requested but most of their posts are very scummy in some way and have either bad reasoning or skewered priorities and they leak their knowledge that they have more information than the rest of us.

MM is obvnewbtown.

[Infinity 324]

I think fire assassin is town

[Fire Assassin]

MM is obvnewbtown.

You can't just leave comments like this. I have made several posts and comments on things that don't add up and are from awkward weird pov, he can't be uninformed imo.

Scumminess doesn't just go away when you add the prefix the player new.

[Infinity 324]

Of course scumminess doesn't go away when a player is new, but you have to look at things from a very different perspective. Things like awkwardness and contradictions aren't a scumtell for noobs. I have a lot of experience reading them and very rarely am I wrong.

Scumtells for noobs look more like being too careful and avoiding engagement and/or emotion. I see none of that from mm, that's why I say he is obvnewbtown.

[Fire Assassin]

Its not just awkwardness and contradictions? I think you are missing the crux of my argument that they seem INFORMED.

[MagnaofIllusion]

MOD - please replace me. Sorry - I don't have any interest in dealing with Lane and post like the below indicate it isn't going to get any better.

Your post was the toxic garbage magna. Like I said. You couldn't just say it was an alt... You had to go your pretentious route and say someone isn't looking very hard in a place they wouldn't know to look. That's just being a jerk

It was a sarcastic joke you self-righteous jack-ass. If you were not too busy getting in the way I might have gotten a proper read on Fire.

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UNVOTE: Fire Assassin

Final reads as I depart

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Fire Assassin – I am on the fence about. Lurking isn’t a scum meta for him. The entire point of the post was to see how he would react to being called out in that manner. Lane and Pers managed to make sure that the reaction was muddled. His “Oh I am machine gunning this is a different playstyle” leaves me cold. Fire usually has little problem being called scum as Town ( see post 1033 in this thread - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=66176) as an example ) but I can could see his frustration at being metaed as an Alt (which is stupid, frankly) as coming from Town.

BBT is Null – he usually pulls this sort of stupid “Imma lurk” Day 1 as Town. I’ve never seen him as scum so I can’t exactly say I can Town read given the behavior is easy to replicate if he is scum.

MM is Town – he’s gotten too much pressure too easily from too many players in an 11 player game. Scum are very unlikely to bus given it is entirely reasonable we only have two Mafia / Werewolves / whatever.

Red Coyote is maybe Town – I don’t like his early play (which was soft and focused on a soft target) but from our back and forth I can see you truly believes the point he is making no matter how badly he misuses statistics.

Pers is probably Town.

My bets right now for scum lie within Something Smart, Infinity, and Quib.

Quib is more or less only focused on MM and interacting with players solely based on MM. That speaks to scum who are having a somewhat difficult time authentically interacting with Town players.

Something Smart ISO looks to me like someone not interest in finding scum but interested in appearing as he is doing so. 280 is a prime example – he puts down lots of words but does not draw any specific conclusions. The wording of 393 specifically “his flip would provide more information than FA’s” is the kind of nebulous posts I expect from scum.

Infinity is a mostly gut read. While I agree with some of his stances (MM as Town) something in his posting gives me the feel that on issues where there may be gray areas he want to have it both ways (example my case on RC was bad but RC could still be scum) which reserves him an easy springboard in moving whichever way best suits his agenda in the future.

[Infinity 324]

What about mm's posts makes him look informed because I'm not seeing it. You pointed out a post where it looked like he knew you were town, why can't that just be him being naive?

[Fire Assassin]

What about mm's posts makes him look informed because I'm not seeing it. You pointed out a post where it looked like he knew you were town, why can't that just be him being naive?

His approach to me when I said I am probably scum.
His post after saying that "fire Assassin and then Everyone else" They weren't just awkward they seemed to be from the standpoint he knew I am not on anyones side.

[Fire Assassin]

Fire Assassin – I am on the fence about. Lurking isn’t a scum meta for him. The entire point of the post was to see how he would react to being called out in that manner. Lane and Pers managed to make sure that the reaction was muddled. His “Oh I am machine gunning this is a different playstyle” leaves me cold. Fire usually has little problem being called scum as Town ( see post 1033 in this thread - viewtopic.php?f=51&t=66176) as an example ) but I can could see his frustration at being metaed as an Alt (which is stupid, frankly) as coming from Town.

Yeah, I don't particularly care for scum reads on me. Except when they are meta reads based on a playstyle I am not even using. So they annoy me because I am not using that style and it irks me in a way.

[Infinity 324]

he knew I am not on anyones side.

And how exactly would him being scum give him extra information about how you aren't on anyone's side?

I think he was just saying that you would have more enemies if you were scum, not really good logic, but it's not really scummy.

I see what you mean about the other part but it could just as easily be naive town

[lane0168]

Ok... I missed the joke. And I still don't see it. What was the joke? Don't play it off as a joke and make me look like and call me the jack ass.

[lane0168]

And I really don't think Persivul or magna should replace out, especially now that I'm starting to side with magna on some things and Persivul was one of the actives, but I digress

[Something_Smart]

Actually I'd like to do this.
VOTE: MM
@Infinity: MM may be new to the site, but he's not naive. This was the essence of the experience debate: he's new to the way things work on this site but not to the way they work in general.

[Alchemist21]

♠ ♡ DAY 1 VOTECOUNT ♢ ♣

MM(4):

Red Coyote, Qubixes, Fire Assassin, Something_Smart

Persivul(2):

MM, FA

MagnaofIllusion(2):

Persivul

Fire Assassin:

lane

Infinity:

BBT

FA_Q2:

Infinity

Not Voting:

MagnaofIllusion

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

The current pot is $350

The amount to call is $100

Still in the hand: MagnaOfIllusion, Persivul, Fire Assassin

Fire Assassin must act.

Spoiler: Betting History

Bet orders:
Ante
Persivul bets 50
Bbt folds
Mm folds
Qubixes folds
Infinity folds
Something smart folds
Magnaofillusion raises to 100
FA_Q2 folds
RC folds
Persivul calls
Fire Assassin calls.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-07-05 12:30:00)

All replacements have been acknowledged. Hand resolvement incoming.

[Alchemist21]

Wingback replaces Persivul.

[Alchemist21]

Hand resolution:

MagnaOfIllusion
[7♣, 10♥, 10♣, 2♥, 10♠]

Wingback
[9♣, 8♦, JOKER, 8♣, 2♦]

Fire Assassin
[A♣, Q♠, 3♥, JOKER, JOKER]

Fire Assassin wins the pot with 3 Aces.

[Wingback]

Hey guys. Been following the game. I'd bet the game on Infinity and Lane being town. Other townreads are MoI, qubixes, Fire Assasin, and RedCoyote. I thought Something_Smart was town earlier but some posts made me rethink that read so I need to go through him again due to possible association with FAQ2. Conflicted on MM. Null on BBT. FAQ2 is a scumread.

VOTE: FA_Q2

[Fire Assassin]

@Mod Will we get new hands since there is still time?