Micro 622: Queen Mafia GAME OVER

[TellTaleHeart]

Hi everyone! I brought pizza!

Spoiler:

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DON'T FORGET

VOTE: Aristophanes

Sounds important!

VOTE: Aristophanes

Spoiler: Jury, write that down!

VOTE: Aristophanes

[TellTaleHeart]

My pizza is just fine, you little spoiled brats. You will take it and appreciate it.

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Wait, is there really THREE votes on Aristophanes this early in the game? I get its RVS but I've never seen the point in piling more than one vote on somebody in RVS. Not saying anybody there is scum but I don't think you should put somebody onto L-2 so quickly.

Unless you're in a player list full of idiots, a quickhammer isn't something to really be afraid of.

[TellTaleHeart]

In other news, my vote is now serious.

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I find it interesting that you are more worried about it than I am, IPS.

Vote him

Vote him

Because you Omgus'd him?
Or because he is displaying a newbie characteristic?

I think it's off Ari threw a little shade at IPS in post 30 but then immediately balked at voting him when Elyse asked him too. I also think noting IPS as "displaying a newbie characteristic" in a way doesn't mesh with the "interesting" note. What's interesting?

The exchange just comes off as awkward to me.

[TellTaleHeart]

What important things did TTH say exactly? Am I missing something in these three pages, TTH has basically done nothing memorable...

You must have memory loss, old man. You obviously read my post.

Spoiler:

I find it interesting that you are more worried about it than I am, IPS.

Vote him

Vote him

Because you Omgus'd him?
Or because he is displaying a newbie characteristic?

I think it's off Ari threw a little shade at IPS in post 30 but then immediately balked at voting him when Elyse asked him too. I also think noting IPS as "displaying a newbie characteristic" in a way doesn't mesh with the "interesting" note. What's interesting?

The exchange just comes off as awkward to me.

I actually am getting scum vibes of Aristophanes too....

[TellTaleHeart]

I agree with FA and duppin.

About what? :S

duppin's not even scumreading Aris as far as I can tell.

[TellTaleHeart]

I'm going to switch to
UNVOTE: GulityLion
VOTE: Elyse
as I feel that her posting has been fake.

<snip>

I don't know about all that. But do you have an opinion regarding Aristophanes?

[TellTaleHeart]

My mistake, I missed Post 47.

Short aside: mentioning post numbers without links is super annoying. Really, it's not that hard to include links.

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I assume you're referring to my post, but I saw no reason to do it seeing as it was on the same page.

Doesn't matter, it's still a pet peeve of mine (I'm a little OCD).

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Postie's read on FA seems very genuine. He's going against the grain and there are multiple avenues for him to take if he were scum going for a lynch. I don't see him going for FA out of everyone.

Not really following you here. What do you mean?

[TellTaleHeart]

You must have memory loss, old man. You obviously read my post.

I am getting to old to kill all the scum, one day i will select an heir to be the Ras Al Ghul. But today is not that day.
Why you so relaxed in your tone TTH? Do you worry about my skills at reading you (even with your calm demeanor its too calm.....)

I just got my Xanax prescription refilled. Thanks for noticing.

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I'm guessing FA is going to say I'm scum with Aris for saying that FA is looked upon favorably for the Aris wagon which is stupid since I obviously meant that he's at the forefront of the Aris push. He looks good for scumhunting and stuff. And I'm also scumreading Aris, so if you incorrectly interpreted it as me saying he'll look good because Aris is flipping scum, that's in line with my reads.

If it's something else then idk lol.

Its word choices and tone.
First off lets show case it:

. Postie's FA suspicion just doesn't seem like something scum

would do right now.

This rings of awareness of what scum is likely to do in a certain scenario and words "right now" bring attention that they could act in this way, but aren't doing it yet.

Aris is getting run up, there's some heat on me, FA is probably getting looked upon favorably because of the Aris wagon.

Hyper awareness of the situation. Scum are usually the most aware players of scenarios.

It'd be a weird time for him to switch focus onto FA under no pressure as scum. It just feels genuine.

Timing is key in this section. The idea is that they are aware of what will and won't look good for scum to do in certain scenarios at certain moments in time. Elyse is looking at the game in the perspective as a scum player. They are not looking at it from the perspective of it in the terms they are town and how scum would act, but what they would personally do. This is what I am seeing.

That... was not the criticism I had in mind. :S

[TellTaleHeart]

{TellTaleHeart, Fire Assassin}
{duppin}
{Aristophanes, Iprobablysuck, GuiltyLion}
{Postie}
{Elyse}

Alright-y.
Is there going to be any explanation on how the middle tier was constructed? Or even what it means?

I don't really get how Ari and IPS/GuiltyLion are occupying the same space.

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I like Postie a lot less after the last couple posts.

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Short, crappy answer: Yes.

Long(er) answer: Post 109 is simplistic and strawman-y regarding Fire's points and a tad heavy handed on the defense. Personally, I thought your Postie read outlined in Post 88 was a

little

bit of a bizarre position to have in the context of your Ari scum read (why

wouldn't

Postie, as scum, push an alternate wagon that she felt like she would be able to justify?). So declaring you town and taking your side here with Fire Assassin is coming on a little strong and, yes, like "buddying." That is, if you're into buzzwords that only approximate my thoughts on the matter.

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I might agree with your premise if Postie were either very green or an exceptionally slow learner but she strikes me as neither. I feel like you're using a framework for a newbie to intermediate-level player on a lot more of an advanced player.

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OK, I'll put it more bluntly and less nicely: any scum player worth half a shit could've easily made the post you did. "Having trouble articulating" a read can be gamed by even the most elementary scum players. (I have a pathetic scum game and I do that. It gets town reads, likely because "uncertainty" is pretty closely associated with "uninformed." But now I'm sort of getting off on a tangent. @_@)

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It doesn't and I wasn't really speaking to that point (but I don't think it's a compelling point regardless).

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Mod

: I will have limited access starting yesterday and going to July 5th. I will try to keep up with the thread but, for the most part, I will be otherwise occupied with holiday activities.

[TellTaleHeart]

I got prodded for some reason. o.O
But I'm back today anyway! ^_^

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Alright-y, I'm about to go to sleep but I am all caught up on reading the thread.
Quick thoughts: I like GuiltyLion for town and I still like my vote on Ari. I would be good with that or a Postie lynch.

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Alright-y, I'm about to go to sleep but I am all caught up on reading the thread.
Quick thoughts: I like GuiltyLion for town and I still like my vote on Ari. I would be good with that or a Postie lynch.

Why do you say that you like your vote on Ari even though he was at L-1?

What's the relevance of him being at L-1 to how much I like the vote?
In Post 206, the cobbled-together, loaded-word filled ("backtracking" "flipflopping") BNL read doesn't give much of an indication that the BNL read is solid or legitimate.

[TellTaleHeart]

Spoiler: Yes

Alright-y, I'm about to go to sleep but I am all caught up on reading the thread.
Quick thoughts: I like GuiltyLion for town and I still like my vote on Ari. I would be good with that or a Postie lynch.

Alright-y, I'm about to go to sleep but I am all caught up on reading the thread.
Quick thoughts: I like GuiltyLion for town and I still like my vote on Ari. I would be good with that or a Postie lynch.

Why do you say that you like your vote on Ari even though he was at L-1?

What's the relevance of him being at L-1 to how much I like the vote?
In Post 206, the cobbled-together, loaded-word filled ("backtracking" "flipflopping") BNL read doesn't give much of an indication that the BNL read is solid or legitimate.

[TellTaleHeart]

Now I'd like to hear why that's even a question for you because the only thing you've done with me this game is give me these weird potshots.

[TellTaleHeart]

So yeah. Aristo's still a mislynch.

Other than "gut" and something about ~wagon feels~, is there a reason for this insistence?

[TellTaleHeart]

Spoiler: Context, your only two previous interactions with me

What important things did TTH say exactly? Am I missing something in these three pages, TTH has basically done nothing memorable...

You must have memory loss, old man. You obviously read my post.

I am getting to old to kill all the scum, one day i will select an heir to be the Ras Al Ghul. But today is not that day.
Why you so relaxed in your tone TTH? Do you worry about my skills at reading you (even with your calm demeanor its too calm.....)

[TellTaleHeart]

TTH you want to talk with me because I have been taking "potshots" at you?

Sure, as long as you don't ask me things that I literally

just

talked about. :3

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I didn't say wagon speed. I wouldn't make a wagon speed argument I'm not that bad anymore god.
He's town because there have been no counterwagons that have gotten any traction. And scum aren't bussing or there'd be people making a bigger deal of getting Aristo lynched.

"Counterwagon" arguments are about on the same level as "wagon speed" arguments.

Both of which are garbage.

[TellTaleHeart]

Other than "gut" and something about ~wagon feels~, is there a reason for this insistence?

OH MY GOD
Scum aren't going to sit there and twiddle their thumbs while their partner gets lynched. They'll either push a counterwagon or start actively pushing for his lynch so they can take credit for it, and no one is doing either of those things.

Thought experiment: what if the partner is relatively inactive?

That's precisely why those arguments are garbage. It's reducing something with a million variables into an overly simplistic model.

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I am always interested in your opinions though since I consider you a quality player.

Seriously?

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Okay your scum team is in a group of four players, when their is nine players total in the game. You have just slightly below 50% of the player base in your group of possible scum.

I really think that is horrible on every level.

Having 4 townreads is "horrible on every level"?

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Thought experiment: what if the partner is relatively inactive?

That's precisely why those arguments are garbage. It's reducing something with a million variables into an overly simplistic model.

Okay so he could

possibly

be scum in a world where Iprobablysuck/Wingback is scum.
Is Iprobablysuck/Wingback scum?

Distinct possibility. I'm not townreading the slot.

[TellTaleHeart]

Are you saying I should have what I consider developed reads on

everyone

before voting/lynching? Because If I did that, I would never vote and Day 1s would never end.

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Not sure where you're getting that I think he could only reasonably be scum with Wingback.

If you're talking about our conversation just then, that was just

one

of the things wrong with your reasoning that I just thought of off-hand.

[TellTaleHeart]

Okay then explain the other things.

• You could be scum with Ari.
  
• Someone could be bussing.
  
• The partner is simply avoiding the wagon, possibly thinking Ari can handle the pressure or the wagon will die down on its own.

There's some more things I could list off the top of my head, but the theme that unites them is: I'm not an all-knowing goddess or a mind reader and I'm not smart enough to be able to predict with any sort of precision how scum will treat their partner in this situation.

This is why I don't base scumhunting on Day 1 off of associatives. It's an exercise in futility.

[TellTaleHeart]

Although I do feel like I'm more likely to be wrong on BNL than I am you, and TTH is being pretty bad.

Oh fuck no.

I'm not arrogant enough to buy into your claptrap so now that makes me scum?

VOTE: Postie

[TellTaleHeart]

If I die, you lynch in GL/TTH. No exceptions.

That

is

an excellent nightkill pool.

[TellTaleHeart]

Anyone have some TTH town games they can link me?

You were there for JK9++.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=66008

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Spoiler: Yes

Alright-y, I'm about to go to sleep but I am all caught up on reading the thread.
Quick thoughts: I like GuiltyLion for town and I still like my vote on Ari. I would be good with that or a Postie lynch.

Alright-y, I'm about to go to sleep but I am all caught up on reading the thread.
Quick thoughts: I like GuiltyLion for town and I still like my vote on Ari. I would be good with that or a Postie lynch.

Why do you say that you like your vote on Ari even though he was at L-1?

What's the relevance of him being at L-1 to how much I like the vote?
In Post 206, the cobbled-together, loaded-word filled ("backtracking" "flipflopping") BNL read doesn't give much of an indication that the BNL read is solid or legitimate.

I find it weird that you didn't call Fire out or even mention that he didn't read the post above the one where he asked the question.

Now I'd like to hear why that's even a question for you

because the only thing you've done with me this game is give me these weird potshots.

[TellTaleHeart]

Though, I must say that I am worried about the Postie wagon. I think almost everyone has basically agreed to her lynch, and there has been zero resistance to the wagon. This leaves Wingback as Postie's only possible partner.

What the fuck...

[TellTaleHeart]

Though, I must say that I am worried about the Postie wagon. I think almost everyone has basically agreed to her lynch, and there has been zero resistance to the wagon. This leaves Wingback as Postie's only possible partner.

Please give a link to a game where you were able to identify an entire scum team on Day 1 based on associatives.

I'll wait.

[TellTaleHeart]

Though, I must say that I am worried about the Postie wagon. I think almost everyone has basically agreed to her lynch, and there has been zero resistance to the wagon. This leaves Wingback as Postie's only possible partner.

Please give a link to a game where you were able to identify an entire scum team on Day 1 based on associatives.

I'll wait.

What's your point?

What's

your

point? Saying there's "no resistance" is meaningless.

9:12 there was no "resistance" to the wagon because the buddy was inactive.
DoA there was little "resistance" to the wagon because scum were being bussed.

Unless you

are

scum, you're not going to be able to accurately predict scumteam dynamics.

That's what I'm asking you. Tell me a time you could accurately assess what the scumteam's strategy was in the game thread as it was ongoing.

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Though, I must say that I am worried about the Postie wagon. I think almost everyone has basically agreed to her lynch, and there has been zero resistance to the wagon. This leaves Wingback as Postie's only possible partner.

Alternatively, an explanation for why Ari couldn't be scum with Postie would be good.

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If you legitimately think a really tame and mild conversation "definitely doesn't look like scum/scum interactions" then "gullible" doesn't even come close to describing my opinion of you.

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~Saturday post~

RC

: I'm usually otherwise occupied on weekends so please consider me V/LA then.

I'm writing up my reads list post, hopefully I can get that out tonight but that's probably ambitious. Tomorrow's more realistic.

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FA kill is odd to me, makes me think there's scum in the neighborhood or scum is very commonly townread. I'm probably game for a BNL lynch today, if that doesn't end it I'm happy to hear opinions on who I should shoot. Wingback felt very town to me in twilight and everyone else pushed on Aristophanes in a mostly convincing manner. If TTH or Elyse is scum then we're in for a rough go

Then I have excellent news. Both TTH

and

Elyse are town.

[TellTaleHeart]

Also, I'm townreading BnL though I'm unsure if the reason I'm doing it is really justified. :S

Right off the bat, Wingback's SK obsession is pretty awful.

[TellTaleHeart]

I suspected as much. The claim and summary of PT events reinforce the read.

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There isn't.

I was going to slow dance this, but I can't keep it in my pants. I'm a one-shot neapolitan.

I crumbed it in my first post and in the course of doing so, learned that there is a "neapolitan pizza."

I can confirm that Elyse is town. She's not getting lynched. Ever.

VOTE: Wingback

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Just to be clear - you get results as VT or not VT, correct?

Correct.

Why did you want to hide this?

I...didn't really?
I thought Post 586 might've been heavy handed enough to make it clear I had an investigative result, but when I saw Wingback casing Elyse I decided to just nip that in bud.

There isn't.

I was going to slow dance this, but I can't keep it in my pants. I'm a one-shot neapolitan.

I crumbed it in my first post and in the course of doing so, learned that there is a "neapolitan pizza."

I can confirm that Elyse is town. She's not getting lynched. Ever.

VOTE: Wingback

Why did you check her?

Took a smidgen of a risk, but I was townreading her.

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Town feels a little OP but yeah let's lynch Wingback and then I'll shoot BNL tonight if Wingback flips town. If somehow that doesn't end it then it'll be a LYLO decision between duppin/TTH, hopefully I would get killed so it would be Elyse that has to deal with it

You could be right, depending on what specials scum have, but I would wager that the Normal Review Group does not agree with you.

That's actually the reason I think BnL is town. Two town neighbors would further narrow the pool of people I could possibly confirm and nerf the utility of my role. (This is all with the caveat that setup speculation is not really my thing.)

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UNVOTE:

I'd like the conftown slot to get filled and that person to speak before today ends. More eyes on the thread are better.

I still think it's more likely Wingback than BnL.

[TellTaleHeart]

I'm still alive (barely).

I'm doing

one

thing, I promise I won't hold you up!

[TellTaleHeart]

Alright-y, I was going over Wingback and BnL's posting when it occurred to me "Why am I doing this? All I need to do is be 100% sure in my duppin read and it's autowin."

So I went back over

duppin's

posting to double check myself on that read and I am confident he is town.

The important thing that makes me think so is the Aristophanes vote on Day 1 (Post 237). I know the Wiki lore is that the "middle of the wagon is prime bussing real estate," but I think that's not applicable in this case. At the time, there were two other burgeoning wagons:

Votecount 1.10:

Elyse (2): Fire Assassin, BulletNLynchproof
Aristophanes (2): GuiltyLion, TellTaleHeart
BulletNLynchproof (2): Elyse, Aristophanes
Fire Assassin (1): Wingback
Postie (1): duppin
GuiltyLion (1): Postie
TellTaleHeart (0):
Wingback (0):
duppin (0):

A bus is generally suboptimal for scum on Day 1 unless the slot's doomed anyway. Taking a pair of defibrillator paddles to the Aristophanes wagon is not an optimal move for scum!duppin in this situation.

Then there's the

way

duppin voted Ari. Here's the post:

VOTE: Aristophanes

This doesn't feel like your town play.

VOTE: Aristophanes

This doesn't feel like your town play.

How do you figure?

Honestly it's a mostly a character read. I'm not getting any townvibes from you, which I usually do when your town. I will admit it is possible some of it has to do with you going V/LA so yeah.

In any case, why isn't your vote on Postie?

VOTE: Aristophanes

This doesn't feel like your town play.

Does it feel like his scumplay? Because I agree but I see little reason to suppose this is scum!Aristo as opposed to just different!Aristo.

Perhaps, not sure. However this does not feel like his town game so I see no reason not to apply pressure.
I'm honestly not sure what to think of this post. You agree that this does not seem like his townplay, so where exactly are you going with this?

The push isn't overdone. There's not a

ton

of reasons heaped on even though Aristophanes does have a number of posts up to this point. It's also not lazily tossed on just for the sake of participating in the wagon. In short, it doesn't fit the profile of a bus vote.

There's also the matter of the Fire Assassin kill. Given the couple of shots duppin took at him in his Day 1 activity (Post 144, Post 172, and Post 548) and Fire Assassin's stated intentions to not go after duppin the next day (Post 505), I don't think a Fire Assassin kill makes much sense from a scum!duppin POV.

tl;dr: duppin is town. Let's get on with it.

VOTE: Wingback

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Well I suck. I thought I was being smart and I managed to fuck that up.

VOTE: duppin

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@TTH: do you have a history of crumbing your role as a town PR? What about as scum?

I crumbed my role as town JK before and I'm pretty proud of this crumb.
That's the only one I have, but I don't have an extensive history rolling specials.

Also, why did you target my slot, and not someone you were scumreading?

That defeats the purpose of the neapolitan role.
The "Not Vanilla Townie" result isn't definitive, that doesn't mean that whoever I got the result on is scum. But the "Vanilla Townie" result

is

indisputable evidence of my target being town. The idea behind neapolitan isn't to catch scum. It's to confirm town.

And with that in mind:

Town feels a little OP but yeah let's lynch Wingback and then I'll shoot BNL tonight if Wingback flips town. If somehow that doesn't end it then it'll be a LYLO decision between duppin/TTH, hopefully I would get killed so it would be Elyse that has to deal with it

You could be right, depending on what specials scum have, but I would wager that the Normal Review Group does not agree with you.

That's actually the reason I think BnL is town. Two town neighbors would further narrow the pool of people I could possibly confirm and nerf the utility of my role. (This is all with the caveat that setup speculation is not really my thing.)

Explain how this link suggests doc+vig+neighbours+1-shot neap is balanced in a 2:7.

Simply because a town neighbor gives one fewer "vanilla town" slot to confirm. Neapolitan is a role that becomes

less

powerful as it's surrounded with more non-VTs.

I have this nagging voice in my head telling me that the neap is a twist on rolecop and the neighbours are decoys. I guess scum have daytalk, so it's possible they have no PR. Giving them 1 BP is not fun, and there's no indication of a different PR.

I don't really know how to answer this other than to give my opinion, which is that I think scum have an investigative perk like tracker or watcher. Watcher is my pick here because it can nab all the specials including the vig through the ascetic modifier. Jailkeeper is another possibility, albeit a little less elegant.

Regardless, you are correct that the all-town neighborhood is a "decoy." In theory they give zero net power, but in practice they tend to be slightly negative utility given that players tend to assume neighborhoods always have at least one scum.

[TellTaleHeart]

I'm the one who steps from the shadows,
all trenchcoat and cigarette and arrogance,
ready to deal with the madness.

VOTE: lane

Could you briefly explain this game to me, please? Was that a post by you as scum?

This was from the DC UPick. That was two games in one. The mechanic was that there were two separate "Earths" where each player had two separate roles on each "Earth" that the game toggled between upon a mislynch. I happened to be a VT on Earth One (when I made the post you quoted) and a scum rolecop on Earth Two (which I didn't know until the first night when the game moved to Earth Two after the first mislynch).

The post was from when I was town. I was John Constantine and in my first post I used a John Constantine quote, so I "crumbed" my flavor there but not my role.

T

he

r

e

a

re no breadcrumbs

i

n

t

his p

o

st to be found. Move

r

ight along.

VOTE: RC

And what's up with this.

Looks to me like you've been toying with crumbing/fake-crumbing as either faction.

That was silliness. I was scum there, but the game featured a scum traitor (which I wasn't) so the joke was that I was making a ham fisted "traitor" crumb, I wasn't making a serious attempt at crumbing.

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Well I just realised something, TTH yesterday you claimed you were townreading BNL but you weren't sure the reason you were scumreading him was justified (#587) and in #633 you claimed the reason you were townreading him was because of his role.

BNL claimed in #588, which was after you claimed to have a townread on him. While I honestly don't really care about your answer, I'd still like to hear it. For what reason were you townreading him in 587 and why weren't unsure about it being justified?

I'm curious as to if you actually have a reason or if you're just going to pull a weird read out of nowhere now.

Going through Fire Assassin's posting, it didn't take me long to figure out who the other neighbor was.

Theres actually a reason BNL might be just weird in general, so its kind of a reason I don't want to lynch him today at all.
Elsye, why wouldn't scum tag team together based on the reasoning nobody would suspect them? You are using a preflip associaiton when you should be looking at players motivations, then analyzing each individually.

Unlesss you can do good preflip associations, they are usually not good in my experience.

But what associations? It sounded to me like you thought Elyse was suddenly town because Bullet pushed on her. I assumed that meant you thought that Bullet was scum, but that doesn't really line up your follow up posts.

Yes, I am not liking bullet so my read on elsye was predicated on that and I said it was bad, and since scrapped.

Or well you called him "meh", but you didn't push or vote on him after, which I thought was rather odd since you seemed to imply he was scum (and that Elyse was town for thar reason), unless I misunderstood your post in which case I'd like you to explain exactly what you meant.

I have very good reasons not to push Bullet.

[TellTaleHeart]

@duppin: how do you explain scum!TTH choosing to clear Elyse?

@duppin: how do you explain scum!TTH choosing to clear Elyse?

As in what I make of her outing her result? I don't think it had anything to do with her wanting to clear Elyse as much as it had to do with her wanting to claim her role. I just assume she checked your slot n1, since she knew you were a VT, which means she outed her check when claiming. Maybe she did it to make her claim seem more believable or maybe she was attempting to buddy her. Elyse had called me out a couple of times, so seeing as it was rather obvious from TTH's PoV that it would most likely end up with a last of three with her, Elyse and me, so perhaps she was just trying to get Elyse over to her side. I don't really know what her motivation was for doing so, I personally just think she outed n1 to make her claim seem more trustworthy but it is a possibility she was planning ahead.

For what it's worth, if I were scum here I wouldn't have crumbed an investigative special without having any idea of what the rest of the setup looked like. As scum, I play conservatively (vanilla claims and minimal to no bussing) because that's the style that wins scum games. Whenever I

do

take a risk (like my vig fakeclaim in the DC Universe game you quoted), it's a calculated risk based on knowledge I already have (I was a rolecop there and about halfway through a massclaim, so I already knew the whole setup by the time I made my claim).

I know that's a self-assessment and probably not worth that much to you, but that's my $0.02.

[TellTaleHeart]

My "If I Did It" was better. :\

[TellTaleHeart]

The difference is that you're scum though.

Witty retorts don't make a red card black, hon.

[TellTaleHeart]

Anyway serra, what do you make of the FA kill?

Oooooo, one of the things I used in my post.
Good move.

[TellTaleHeart]

I don't randomly spam pictures of food. (Pointless grabassery is in line with my scum meta.)

[TellTaleHeart]

A really attentive/good TTH at this point could have anticipated this LyLo at that point in the game, and expected Elyse to vote for you. Except then Elyse got replaced.

You are giving me far too much credit and confidence that I could pull off something that suboptimal.

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I think I currently find Wingback's posts about TTH being scum most convincing, including how TTH happened to post elsewhere shortly after the thread locked for D1, as TTH somewhat avoided hammer + twilight.

"Shortly" here is 3 hours between Monday morning and Monday afternoon and it's a consequence of me having work to do. I'm not here round the clock.

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TTH! <3

You are da best! =D

<3

Thanks for the game RC and UTL. I'm OK with the scum PT being released.

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I'm curious, why did Elyse need to be replaced?