Mini 1806 : DotA Mafia [Round 1 - SD] (Game Over ?!)

[Ircher]

Also, everyone should not visit Fire tonight.

^^^^^^

[Ircher]

@Ircher

If you roleblocked everyone who visited FA, why did you ask who they were?
When you first asked I thought you must have been some kind of Watcher, looking to catch people lying about their visits... but as a roleblocker, I don't see what you gain from knowing that.

Cuz of my twilight breadcrumb. Those who targeted you are semi-clear unless you are ascetic (and they also don't pay attn which again, is more indicative of town). On the other hand, it's not too much credit to Fire cuz as scum, he or his partner is likely to piece together what my ability is and having Fire execute the kill with that breadcrumb is silly.

[Ircher]

I am curious on why he voted me when he had blocked me and a kill still happened, I am not saying that 100% clears me, but it ensures that I didn't perform the kill so makes it less likely I am scum....

Simply because I breadcrumbed it, so mafia wouldn't have you perform the kill nor would they target you at risk of getting roleblocked or caught.

[Ircher]

I made it clear that I never visited fire.

I don't have a guilty. I was pretty sure Ircher was fake claiming one. I made it clear I never visited fire.

Kill ircher after this, I don't know what he was doing.

Kill Masq too if he quickhammers

Either Fire or me dies today.




And I don't plan on dying

That said pretty sure we're just waiting on people who haven't showed up

No I just got a sudden premonition that fire is mafia, you should sheep me

You call the last 2 quotes not a cop guilty soft-claim? I think you're backtracking now.

[Dunnstral]

Anyway, I did breadcrumb my action during twilight.

Mafia have a factional kill as well , which is counting like

other non-passive skills

with 1 cycle cooldown.

Not sure if dumbtelling or just trying to manipulate the town. It clearly says that the mafia kill is

factional

, meaning it wouldn't interfere with the use of individual abilities

[Radical Rat]

Dunnstral already said he thought you had a guilty, and tried claiming it to take the kill for you. Which sounds both plausible, and extremely pro-town.

Either this is Town vs. Town or you're the scum in Town vs. Scum.

[Ircher]

During each cycle (day--twilight--night),

you can only execute 1 non-passive skill.

Mafia have a factional kill as well , which is

counting like other non-passive skills

with 1 cycle cooldown.

Stop misinterpreting and learn to comprehend; it clearly states that players may execute only 1 active ability each cycle, and the factional kill counts as an active ability and therefore cannot be used at the same time.

[Ircher]

Dunnstral already said he thought you had a guilty, and tried claiming it to take the kill for you. Which sounds both plausible, and extremely pro-town.

Either this is Town vs. Town or you're the scum in Town vs. Scum.

Why cant Dunn be scum? Why cant Dunn be the one who is backtracking and making stuff up as he goes?

Town tend to be more careless than scum.

[Frozen Angel]

Vote Count 2.4

Dunnstral (3) : Fire Assassin , Ircher , Shiro
Ircher (2) : Dunnstral , Radical Rat

Not Voting (3) : Yume , thenewearth , Maqeurade

With 8 players alive it takes 5 votes to lynch.

Day 2 ends in (expired on 2016-07-21 12:00:00)

[Dunnstral]

During each cycle (day--twilight--night),

you can only execute 1 non-passive skill.

Mafia have a factional kill as well , which is

counting like other non-passive skills

with 1 cycle cooldown.

Stop misinterpreting and learn to comprehend; it clearly states that players may execute only 1 active ability each cycle, and the factional kill counts as an active ability and therefore cannot be used at the same time.

No...

Mafia A gets to use an active ability
Mafia B gets to use an active ability

And they both share a FACTIONAL kill ability, independent of their own abilities

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral already said he thought you had a guilty, and tried claiming it to take the kill for you. Which sounds both plausible, and extremely pro-town.

Either this is Town vs. Town or you're the scum in Town vs. Scum.

Why cant Dunn be scum? Why cant Dunn be the one who is backtracking and making stuff up as he goes?

Town tend to be more careless than scum.

So tell me again - why am I scum? Because I claimed a guilty and you say it would have been roleblocked?

[Masquerade]

Okay I went to check if factional kill counts as the only ability that scum can do:

Mafia have a factional kill as well , which is counting like other non-passive skills with 1 cycle cooldown.

So its possible for that theory to be true and if someone tried to do some sort of check on me would fail due to Ircher blocking me.
I guess thats +1 to you guys for that theory.

That makes that impossible.

If I visited Fire to roleblock him (assuming Fire and I are scum), then I cannot perform the factional kill, as all active abilities are exclusive of each other. And Fire couldn't execute the kill cuz the kill would be blocked.

So no, occam's razor suggests that scum!Ircher + scum!Fire team is almost impossible.

Nope. First of all there are abilities that block or evade a roleblock. Second, there are abilities that make you able to perform 2 abilities in one night. So even IF scum can perform their factional kill while also performing an ability doesn't matter.

Ircher, you didn't answer this earlier but why did you target Fire?

[Ircher]

During each cycle (day--twilight--night),

you can only execute 1 non-passive skill.

Mafia have a factional kill as well , which is

counting like other non-passive skills

with 1 cycle cooldown.

Stop misinterpreting and learn to comprehend; it clearly states that players may execute only 1 active ability each cycle, and the factional kill counts as an active ability and therefore cannot be used at the same time.

No...

Mafia A gets to use an active ability
Mafia B gets to use an active ability

And they both share a FACTIONAL kill ability, independent of their own abilities

Do you not understand the meaning of factional kill? In every game I played, even though it's called a factional kill, that doesn't mean they all perform it at once; they designate a target to execute it. Therefore, the factional kill DOES count as an active ability that cannot be executed at the same time as another active ability performed by the same player.

Regarding ascetic/commuter type roles -- That would make my ability be useless to use as the ability is basically blocked by being untargetable.

[Ircher]

Okay I went to check if factional kill counts as the only ability that scum can do:

Mafia have a factional kill as well , which is counting like other non-passive skills with 1 cycle cooldown.

So its possible for that theory to be true and if someone tried to do some sort of check on me would fail due to Ircher blocking me.
I guess thats +1 to you guys for that theory.

That makes that impossible.

If I visited Fire to roleblock him (assuming Fire and I are scum), then I cannot perform the factional kill, as all active abilities are exclusive of each other. And Fire couldn't execute the kill cuz the kill would be blocked.

So no, occam's razor suggests that scum!Ircher + scum!Fire team is almost impossible.

Nope. First of all there are abilities that block or evade a roleblock. Second, there are abilities that make you able to perform 2 abilities in one night. So even IF scum can perform their factional kill while also performing an ability doesn't matter.

Ircher, you didn't answer this earlier but why did you target Fire?

Reasons. I thought Radical was survivor; I townread Vedith. Shiro and Yume are... just out there. And Fire was being fairly suspicious as it was.

Dunnstral already said he thought you had a guilty, and tried claiming it to take the kill for you. Which sounds both plausible, and extremely pro-town.

Either this is Town vs. Town or you're the scum in Town vs. Scum.

Why cant Dunn be scum? Why cant Dunn be the one who is backtracking and making stuff up as he goes?

Town tend to be more careless than scum.

So tell me again - why am I scum? Because I claimed a guilty and you say it would have been roleblocked?

You are avoiding my point which is you are implicitly implying it is impossible for you to be scum, which clearly isn't the case.

[Radical Rat]

I don't know why we're sitting here arguing over game mechanics instead of just doing this...

@Mod
Can a single player perform the Mafia's kill and an active ability in the same night?

[Radical Rat]

As for why Dunn can't be scum, it's because a scum player would have to be completely off their rocker to think they could get away with a fake guilty like that. The only reason anyone would fake a guilty like that, is for the very reason Dunnstral stated: Protecting the real cop.

[Frozen Angel]

I don't know why we're sitting here arguing over game mechanics instead of just doing this...

@Mod
Can a single player perform the Mafia's kill and an active ability in the same night?

A faction kill is exactly like another active abilty that any player may learn trough game leveling function with one cycle cooldown . The word factional means only one of the players joined in that faction can cast it during the same cycle. in all other cases its exactly similar to normal abilities.

this being said unless under effect of other abilities no mafia member can perform the factional kill and cast another active ability in the same cycle.

edit : if im not making sense just ask me again . Im dizzy and i dont have laptop or anything.

[Ircher]

TL;DR

Ircher is lying, trying to bus his teammate
FA is trying not to acknowledge this and trying so hard to ignore ircher for some god awful reason

SHIRO IS STILL VI, GOD DAMMIT SHIRO DUNN WAS BEING SARCASTIC WITH THE GUILTY CLAIM, love you though <3

P.S.

Why hasn't anyone noticed that Masquerade is only here for the L-1'ing and the Hammering?

This is sketchy imo.

I will take Dunn at his word for now, but I never did state I had a Cop guilty (and probably would've been more direct if I did...)

VOTE: Earth

The first problem I have is Earth is only here to hammer; the exact same thing Earth accuses Masq in this post. Calls Shiro a VI because..... Shiro conceded that I had a point? What else....

Knows

I am lying and bussing and

knows

that Fire is playing along and trying to ignore me? What the heck even! Occam's razor applies here which is Dunn misinterpreted what I said as a Cop guilty crumb and was trying to take the bullet, I sheeped Dunn cuz I thought he claimed a Cop guilty, and the entire encounter is TvT. Not that this is some crazy gambit being played by scum, etc.

This is just an attempt to cast suspicion everywhere possible.

[Dunnstral]

I am currently townreading TNE though, and scumreading you. I don't like how you're suddenly trying to play it off as "tvt" when suspicion falls onto you.

Also looks like from that explanation, you're saying if you really had roleblocked fire, then he "couldn't have made the kill"

1. You can lie about who you targetted
2. From skimming, the only character in this game with 2 passives is an agility type.

Your hero also has 1 of the following traits:

Strength : It takes 1 extra vote to lynch you
Agility : On odd/Even cycles (randomly chosen) ,

Your action or vote can't be canceled if only foiled (role blocked, etc..) by one ability

. It takes 2 or more abilities to foils your action/vote to cancel it.
Intelligence : Originally, each player starts at level 1, but you starts at level 2.

So in a scenario where you're town, fire STILL could have been mafia who made the nightkill regardless, and you two can still be mafia together as well (it takes TWO to roleblock him, but since you roleblock other people who visit fire.....? Not sure how that gets resolved)

[Radical Rat]

Honestly, I think Earth is too angry to be scum.

In my, admittedly limited, experience, Scum players don't start getting themselves pissed off until AFTER they're caught. Whereas Earth has been angry all game, and feels more like frustrated Town to me.

[Dunnstral]

She's "angry" ?

[Radical Rat]

Lots of yelling and swearing.

Idk, came across as angry to me.

[thenewearth]

Lmao ircher is desperate

[thenewearth]

The first problem I have is Earth is only here to hammer; the exact same thing Earth accuses Masq in this post. Calls Shiro a VI because..... Shiro conceded that I had a point? What else.... Knows I am lying and bussing and knows that Fire is playing along and trying to ignore me? What the heck even! Occam's razor applies here which is Dunn misinterpreted what I said as a Cop guilty crumb and was trying to take the bullet, I sheeped Dunn cuz I thought he claimed a Cop guilty, and the entire encounter is TvT. Not that this is some crazy gambit being played by scum, etc.

TFW Complete misrep


I'll let you try to figure our what you're misreping

[Ircher]

Not a misrep; regarding the Fire lynch, you were only here to hammer and nothing more. You are barely doing anything except sheeping the biggest wagon.