Mini 1813 - Overwatch Mafia! TOWN WINS

[vonflare]

Prodding inte.

franky has not responded to the prod and is being replaced.

[inte]

i guess i'm here but i'm gonna be limited access next couple of days because i'm moving

game moves fast

[vonflare]

i'm gonna be limited access next couple of days

noted

[inte]

Actually nevermind

This must be those rare cases that RQS isn't scummy

No point in me answering because its echoing alot of people

Genji is surprisingly town

i'd still like to know your reasoning of why rqs is scummy and why you think genji is an exception in this case

You have any reads as of yet?

You're a townread, but I read high activity as town indicative. That's a fault of mine.
Vedith seems townie from post 72.
Shadowstep is cute....Hated is a weird claim to make early, but it's not necessarily scummy. Just weird.

No scumreads at the moment. I think, for the most part, only scummy trends in play can be scum indicative, so I tend not to have scumreads early.

not rly weird, roles that affect voting directly should be claimed early cuz scum always feign ignorance later

Do you have some negative utility that needs to be gone? I am very confused on why you want to be lynched.

No comment, because I want the suspense and surprise.

And also, because I don't want stuff to potentially go horribly wrong, I'm going to hammer my own lynch. I'm pretty sure this won't really matter but just for a safe measure let me hammer myself.

role dropping like this is about as scummy as role fishing :/

That's my line!

Ok, I have a question for you Tracer, did you create your account before or after receiving your role PM?

does this matter? there is plenty to comment on right now

[Randomnamechange]

RVS isn't over until I say it is over.

VOTE: Peter

RVS is over.

I actually had a good laugh at this. I like Randomidgets attitude.

I try.

Hello all, I am going to be fairly active in this game.
Considering all thats going on here is RVS I will just throw out some random questions for you guys:

1) How do you think this game was balanced as far as numbers?
2) Do you have a negative utility to the town you want to claim now?
3) Do you believe theres a point to full claiming in this game if we are about to be lynched?

10-3
No
Always.

Okay can I ask if you ever played in a vonflare game before? At least enough to mod speculate based of what you know?

To go more indepth with question 3, do you think some roles in this game are more useful or indicate alignment versus say scum roles. As in some roles are naturally have to go to town and wouldn't make sense as scum roles?

No, no.
That isn't the point. Say, Pre-LyLo we put someone at L-1 and they claim cop with results. Wee don't lynch them that day. We give them a list of three people that they can investigate, they don't say which. Scum now either has to guess who will be investigated and try to shoot them, meaning they have to shoot someone scummy who is a potential mislynch, or shoot the cop, wasting a shot on someone who almost got lynched, or not shoot either, in which case next phase we lynch the cop if it was a town invest, or the person if it was scum, and repeat this until the cop hits town, at which point we lynch the cop and get a conf town. Manipulating the scum shot is one of the strongest tactics that town don't use.

@post 57 Genji

1) How do you think this game was balanced as far as numbers?

No clue, fam. Usually it's somewhere around 10 town to 3 scum, so I'd assume that until we have reason to believe otherwise.

2) Do you have a negative utility to the town you want to claim now?

Nope.

3) Do you believe there's a point to full claiming in this game if we are about to be lynched?

Usually there is. Some PRs are better left without claiming and just hoping they don't get lynched.

Could you give an example of this?

[Randomnamechange]

That's my line!

Ok, I have a question for you Tracer, did you create your account before or after receiving your role PM?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: springlullaby
Filler post

[Shadow_step]

That's my line!

Ok, I have a question for you Tracer, did you create your account before or after receiving your role PM?

This post is so bad, it's paranoid scum trying to look busy.

VOTE: Spring

[The Engineer]

Actually nevermind

This must be those rare cases that RQS isn't scummy

No point in me answering because its echoing alot of people

Genji is surprisingly town

Why do you think I am town now?
I kind of find it weird you scumread me alone for RQS? I have experienced some scum using it, but I have never thought of it as scum tell.

RQS is scummy as fuck really

Its an easy way of saying "Hey guys I'm doing stuff" and gets instantly townread

Its like saying tobjourn deserves play of the game (He totally does )

[The Engineer]

Actually nevermind

This must be those rare cases that RQS isn't scummy

No point in me answering because its echoing alot of people

Genji is surprisingly town

i'd still like to know your reasoning of why rqs is scummy and why you think genji is an exception in this case

On the other hand though, Genji's RQS wasn't really an RQS

It was a not-R-but-it-would-probably-help-me-get-reads-and-stuff-and-it-effectively-pushes-everyone-out-of-RQS-and-I'm-doing-follow-up-questions-and-reactions-QS

[Randomnamechange]

That's my line!

Ok, I have a question for you Tracer, did you create your account before or after receiving your role PM?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: springlullaby
Filler post

That's my line!

Ok, I have a question for you Tracer, did you create your account before or after receiving your role PM?

This post is so bad, it's paranoid scum trying to look busy.

VOTE: Spring

Great minds think alike?

Actually nevermind

This must be those rare cases that RQS isn't scummy

No point in me answering because its echoing alot of people

Genji is surprisingly town

Why do you think I am town now?
I kind of find it weird you scumread me alone for RQS? I have experienced some scum using it, but I have never thought of it as scum tell.

RQS is scummy as fuck really

Its an easy way of saying "Hey guys I'm doing stuff" and gets instantly townread

Its like saying tobjourn deserves play of the game (He totally does )

It depends on the questions. These actually stimulate discussion and therefore benefit town

[podoboq]

@post 57 Genji

1) How do you think this game was balanced as far as numbers?

No clue, fam. Usually it's somewhere around 10 town to 3 scum, so I'd assume that until we have reason to believe otherwise.

2) Do you have a negative utility to the town you want to claim now?

Nope.

3) Do you believe there's a point to full claiming in this game if we are about to be lynched?

Usually there is. Some PRs are better left without claiming and just hoping they don't get lynched.

Could you give an example of this?

I'm gonna go ahead and quote Justice Potter Stewart on obscenity here: "I know it when I see it"

In Musical Mafia, we had a Jekyll and a Hyde, doctor and vigilante, who enabled eachother. When I suspected the doctor, he could have claimed Jekyll, and Hyde could have defended him, but he kept his mouth shut, because outing Hyde would have lost us a vig. There was more nuance to it at the time, but that was the gist of it. Jekyll ended up getting night killed, if I remember correctly.

Full claiming is sometimes, maybe even often, correct. But if the goal is to stave off your own lynch, sometimes you can accomplish that with a partial reveal, and give less information to scum.

[Tracer]

That's my line!

Ok, I have a question for you Tracer, did you create your account before or after receiving your role PM?

This post is so bad, it's paranoid scum trying to look busy.

VOTE: Spring

Paranoid scum?

[Randomnamechange]

Yeah, not sure on the paranoid, butdefinitely the scum trying to look busy part

[inte]

That's my line!

Ok, I have a question for you Tracer, did you create your account before or after receiving your role PM?

This post is so bad, it's paranoid scum trying to look busy.

VOTE: Spring

Paranoid scum?

do you actually think that, or are you just suggesting?

[Randomnamechange]

@post 57 Genji

1) How do you think this game was balanced as far as numbers?

No clue, fam. Usually it's somewhere around 10 town to 3 scum, so I'd assume that until we have reason to believe otherwise.

2) Do you have a negative utility to the town you want to claim now?

Nope.

3) Do you believe there's a point to full claiming in this game if we are about to be lynched?

Usually there is. Some PRs are better left without claiming and just hoping they don't get lynched.

Could you give an example of this?

I'm gonna go ahead and quote Justice Potter Stewart on obscenity here: "I know it when I see it"

In Musical Mafia, we had a Jekyll and a Hyde, doctor and vigilante, who enabled eachother. When I suspected the doctor, he could have claimed Jekyll, and Hyde could have defended him, but he kept his mouth shut, because outing Hyde would have lost us a vig. There was more nuance to it at the time, but that was the gist of it. Jekyll ended up getting night killed, if I remember correctly.

Full claiming is sometimes, maybe even often, correct. But if the goal is to stave off your own lynch, sometimes you can accomplish that with a partial reveal, and give less information to scum.

The correct play here is to claim the doc part, say that you can't claim flavour due to it giving important info to scum (unless the part about enabling Hyde was in the role card, in which case they should claim everything apart from Hyde's identity)

[Randomnamechange]

That's my line!

Ok, I have a question for you Tracer, did you create your account before or after receiving your role PM?

This post is so bad, it's paranoid scum trying to look busy.

VOTE: Spring

Paranoid scum?

do you actually think that, or are you just suggesting?

They are questioning Shadow's use of paranoid scum, not calling Shadow paranoid scum.

[Randomnamechange]

I'm the only player with more posts than Genji. A replacement. Shame on all of you.

[inte]

That's my line!

Ok, I have a question for you Tracer, did you create your account before or after receiving your role PM?

This post is so bad, it's paranoid scum trying to look busy.

VOTE: Spring

Paranoid scum?

do you actually think that, or are you just suggesting?

They are questioning Shadow's use of paranoid scum, not calling Shadow paranoid scum.

shit i should prolly not read while i'm rushing at work

[inte]

also, you should prolly let them defend themselves, even if i was mistaken

[Genji]

I am going to bring back this for discussion purposes:

Since we don't have a lot of to talk about, I am just going to out, I do have a sort of negative utility.
I can't vote for someone who shares a very specific passive trait that I have. This makes me think that the person(s) who have this are either town or some neutral role. Otherwise it can cause many issues in a LYLO situation where someone is against the town and I cannot vote them.

[Genji]

Actually nevermind

This must be those rare cases that RQS isn't scummy

No point in me answering because its echoing alot of people

Genji is surprisingly town

Why do you think I am town now?
I kind of find it weird you scumread me alone for RQS? I have experienced some scum using it, but I have never thought of it as scum tell.

RQS is scummy as fuck really

Its an easy way of saying "Hey guys I'm doing stuff" and gets instantly townread

Its like saying tobjourn deserves play of the game (He totally does )

I haven't seen RQS be used to really get townread. It usually gets players scumread or nulled, because in my experience players find it more annoying than RVS. This is kind of besides the point, "Hey guys I'm doing stuff" is usually something scum want to be seen doing in later stages, not the early stages. Most players are usually very disengaged from games in the beginning. I find it is because their is so little to actually talk about.

[Randomnamechange]

also, you should prolly let them defend themselves, even if i was mistaken

I was going to, but as it was a simple misunderstanding I decided it probs wouldn't matter

I am going to bring back this for discussion purposes:

Since we don't have a lot of to talk about, I am just going to out, I do have a sort of negative utility.
I can't vote for someone who shares a very specific passive trait that I have. This makes me think that the person(s) who have this are either town or some neutral role. Otherwise it can cause many issues in a LYLO situation where someone is against the town and I cannot vote them.

Interesting. I have a few questions. Are you willing to divulge more info?

[Genji]

Yeah, not sure on the paranoid, butdefinitely the scum trying to look busy part

I don't think that question had any point, maybe pointless curiosity? Or maybe flavor hunting as well. Its an easy check able fact that tracer signed before getting a role.

[Genji]

Interesting. I have a few questions. Are you willing to divulge more info?

Possibly. I am unsure of how much I want to say at this time.

[Randomnamechange]

Yeah, not sure on the paranoid, butdefinitely the scum trying to look busy part

I don't think that question had any point, maybe pointless curiosity? Or maybe flavor hunting as well. Its an easy check able fact that tracer signed before getting a role.

That is what I'm saying. Asking questions without a point is scummy.