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Whats your towncase on Ira?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Map Wolf Goon
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That is true, but i really doubt you thought the wagon would gain votes with such a post.In post 807, MariaR wrote:
If I "knew the wagon wouldn't start anyway" as you say I did I would have no reason to even say that I wanted you lynched in the first placeIn post 806, Map Wolf wrote:
Yes, and that is what i find scummy about the post. You knew that the wagon would not gain terrain without any reason for the wagon.In post 804, MariaR wrote:
Little to no reason??? Map you've been my biggest sr the whole game that's my reason after ross claimed pr I went to my next biggest sr (you)In post 801, Map Wolf wrote:
The way you wanted to revive the wagon with little to no reason.In post 789, MariaR wrote:So please tell me what "way I did it" that was so scummy compared to everyone else“The biggest defeat is to not lose”-MapWolf-
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Comparing Realities Goon
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So you townread her?[/quote]In post 830, BlackStar wrote:[quote="In post 829, Comparing RealitiesNone of this has anything to do with this game, but knowing how to beat this problem should be a huge boon to one's town play in general.
Yes, I do.
To be honest, I don't think this can be done. Map just lacks a general sort of scumminess. Take their readslist, for example:In post 841, Elyse wrote:Nero please explain to me why Wolf is town without using the resistance argument.
I fail to see how they reached these conclusions, but, and I know this will drive you insane, butIn post 777, Map Wolf wrote:So i really don't know where we go from here. I think i will go through with my thoughts.
BYFis null. 309 "agreed" as a followed by a vote seems scum in tone. Some other posts seem scum in tone, but i do like his replies to Ira whose alignment he seems to flip on.Doesn't mention "fellow townie" which is a bigger deal than "agreed".
BlackStari townread. His posts are genuine to me.Wasn't Black trying to defend Map for awhile?
Comparinglean-town for me. His long posts seem town.How so?
DWi think is lean-town. Lots of short posts, but i do agree about Ira...Agreeing with someone does not make them town.
Elyesi think is lean-scum. Too many of her posts are trying to create a wagon(on me).I agree.
gerryoatis lean-town the vast majority off his posts are pro-town to me. Like myself he hasn't made "big" posts, so that is about it....
Iraoni think is lean-scum. I am not going to make a case on him, but he flip-flops a ton from who he votes, and has made a case on really unimportant posts.
Mariai null read. 562 sounds like a scummy attempt to make another wagon on me.Last time you scumread Maria in your last readslist, but now she's done more of the same stuff you previously scumread her for and now she's null?
Neroi think is lean-town. He has useful posts, and i agree with his cases on some players.Some players such as Elyse.
Rosskeis null. The question is whether he is "town" who just got some slightly unfortunate posts or scum trying to get the wagon off. I can't make a conclusion on that.
Skoldi think is null. I need for posts from him to be certain of anything.
Zapsposts doesn't seem like something a scum would post. I town read them.
I am going to VOTE: Iraonavp due to his inconsistensies.This will bring him to L-1scum doesn't act that way, not now and not ever.I cannot envision a world where scum who just survived a major wagon scumreads you and null reads Maria even though you're both doing exactly the same things.
I am breaking every rule by saying this, but despite all logic,Map simply cannot be scum because even scum doesn't do what Map does.I have little hope for democracy as an effective means of government, but I admire the poetry of how it makes its victims complicit in their own destruction.-
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Fair enough did I want the wagon to start from my post? Yes. Was it unlikely? Most likely. Was it worth a shot? Hell yeahIn post 851, Map Wolf wrote:
That is true, but i really doubt you thought the wagon would gain votes with such a post.In post 807, MariaR wrote:
If I "knew the wagon wouldn't start anyway" as you say I did I would have no reason to even say that I wanted you lynched in the first placeIn post 806, Map Wolf wrote:
Yes, and that is what i find scummy about the post. You knew that the wagon would not gain terrain without any reason for the wagon.In post 804, MariaR wrote:
Little to no reason??? Map you've been my biggest sr the whole game that's my reason after ross claimed pr I went to my next biggest sr (you)In post 801, Map Wolf wrote:
The way you wanted to revive the wagon with little to no reason.In post 789, MariaR wrote:So please tell me what "way I did it" that was so scummy compared to everyone else-
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I honestly need to stop now that I am taking a look at myself my whole last 2 days have been fighting with map and that's honestly not okay so for that I ask for forgiveness but I want to ask CR you're legit you're using to defend map is the same logic I'm using to defened Ira do you see how were at a impasse-
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If you're talking to me, I have no town case on him. But, I also have no scum case on him. So I'd rather vote someone I think is scummy instead.In post 850, Nero Cain wrote:Whats your towncase on Ira?-
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thats well and good but at some point you'll have to stop voting a vanity wagon and consolidate.In post 857, gerryoat wrote:
If you're talking to me, I have no town case on him. But, I also have no scum case on him. So I'd rather vote someone I think is scummy instead.In post 850, Nero Cain wrote:Whats your towncase on Ira?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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that doesn't necessarily make him scum either.In post 856, Elyse wrote:I think Map's play is just terrible. He has no idea what he's doing. But that doesn't mean he's town.
I sorta feel like after the Map and Rosske wagons died we landed on scum and Elyse/Maria/Gerry won't bus their buddy.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Map Wolf Goon
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Marked some "replies" in red - colour of my country!In post 852, Comparing Realities wrote:BYFis null. 309 "agreed" as a followed by a vote seems scum in tone. Some other posts seem scum in tone, but i do like his replies to Ira whose alignment he seems to flip on.Doesn't mention "fellow townie" which is a bigger deal than "agreed".I missed that post when i went through his ISO. Anyway i thought that post might've been "if you are town why would you suspect me" way of saying thing, and even then i agree it was a scummy post that i forgot about.
BlackStari townread. His posts are genuine to me.Wasn't Black trying to defend Map for awhile?Pretty sure he was.
Comparinglean-town for me. His long posts seem town.How so?Long posts doesn't mean much. I think your (long) posts are logically sound, and seem town-minded.
DWi think is lean-town. Lots of short posts, but i do agree about Ira...Agreeing with someone does not make them town.Me agreeing with their logic in their posts would be more accurate.
Elyesi think is lean-scum. Too many of her posts are trying to create a wagon(on me).I agree.
gerryoatis lean-town the vast majority off his posts are pro-town to me. Like myself he hasn't made "big" posts, so that is about it....
Iraoni think is lean-scum. I am not going to make a case on him, but he flip-flops a ton from who he votes, and has made a case on really unimportant posts.
Mariai null read. 562 sounds like a scummy attempt to make another wagon on me.Last time you scumread Maria in your last readslist, but now she's done more of the same stuff you previously scumread her for and now she's null?I only changed my conclusion. Scumreading simply because of one post is a little extreme too.
Neroi think is lean-town. He has useful posts, and i agree with his cases on some players.Some players such as Elyse.
Rosskeis null. The question is whether he is "town" who just got some slightly unfortunate posts or scum trying to get the wagon off. I can't make a conclusion on that.
Skoldi think is null. I need for posts from him to be certain of anything.
Zapsposts doesn't seem like something a scum would post. I town read them.
I am going to VOTE: Iraonavp due to his inconsistensies.This will bring him to L-1
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To touch on Nero i am pretty sure that at least one of Elyse/Maria/Iraon is scum.
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I thought Maria overreacted over me finding one post from her scummy, but she did also say she was wrong for that, so i will put that aside for now.“The biggest defeat is to not lose”-MapWolf-
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I know it doesn't make him scum. I'm not saying he's scum cause he's bad.In post 862, Nero Cain wrote:
that doesn't necessarily make him scum either.In post 856, Elyse wrote:I think Map's play is just terrible. He has no idea what he's doing. But that doesn't mean he's town.
I sorta feel like after the Map and Rosske wagons died we landed on scum and Elyse/Maria/Gerry won't bus their buddy.
Also I would bus the ever living FUCK out of Ira if I was scum with him for the sole reason that I hate his posts and everything about how he plays.-
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Like him coming in and making posts about things that haven't happened so he can look busy is town play.
Remind me, are you not voting Ira 'cause you think he's super duper town or that you just think Ma is scummier?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I think ira is town.
I still find his back off of BYF very town and a lot of his earlier posts. The way he reasons some things out seem unlikely to come from a scum PoV.
His recent posts are nonsense I agree. I'm not going to be devastated if he's gone but I think he's town and I'm not going to contribute to his lynch when Map is still kicking.-
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So you'd no lynch over an ira lynch?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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iraonavp Mafia Scum
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I find this suspicious, I shouldn't have put you in town-aligned and I would swap your place to slightly scum-aligned now.In post 852, Comparing Realities wrote:
I fail to see how they reached these conclusions, but, and I know this will drive you insane, butIn post 777, Map Wolf wrote:So i really don't know where we go from here. I think i will go through with my thoughts.
BYFis null. 309 "agreed" as a followed by a vote seems scum in tone. Some other posts seem scum in tone, but i do like his replies to Ira whose alignment he seems to flip on.Doesn't mention "fellow townie" which is a bigger deal than "agreed".
BlackStari townread. His posts are genuine to me.Wasn't Black trying to defend Map for awhile?
Comparinglean-town for me. His long posts seem town.How so?
DWi think is lean-town. Lots of short posts, but i do agree about Ira...Agreeing with someone does not make them town.
Elyesi think is lean-scum. Too many of her posts are trying to create a wagon(on me).I agree.
gerryoatis lean-town the vast majority off his posts are pro-town to me. Like myself he hasn't made "big" posts, so that is about it....
Iraoni think is lean-scum. I am not going to make a case on him, but he flip-flops a ton from who he votes, and has made a case on really unimportant posts.
Mariai null read. 562 sounds like a scummy attempt to make another wagon on me.Last time you scumread Maria in your last readslist, but now she's done more of the same stuff you previously scumread her for and now she's null?
Neroi think is lean-town. He has useful posts, and i agree with his cases on some players.Some players such as Elyse.
Rosskeis null. The question is whether he is "town" who just got some slightly unfortunate posts or scum trying to get the wagon off. I can't make a conclusion on that.
Skoldi think is null. I need for posts from him to be certain of anything.
Zapsposts doesn't seem like something a scum would post. I town read them.
I am going to VOTE: Iraonavp due to his inconsistensies.This will bring him to L-1scum doesn't act that way, not now and not ever.I cannot envision a world where scum who just survived a major wagon scumreads you and null reads Maria even though you're both doing exactly the same things.
I am breaking every rule by saying this, but despite all logic,Map simply cannot be scum because even scum doesn't do what Map does.
Your confidence sounds like you know that you are right because you're scum-aligned and that's why you are so insistent. This is really weak evidence otherwise and I don't think you would believe what you were saying if you were town-aligned. Also, you are basically just voting me and you don't really think I'm scum-aligned or interested in sorting me, just post a vote and leave.
I checked your previous games and I saw that you post a lot of content even if you are scum-aligned, that was why I thought you could be town-aligned initially because I didn't really read your posts.-
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Meanwhile, NeroCain is just skirting the edges of the conversation and trying to mislynch me...In post 850, Nero Cain wrote:Whats your towncase on Ira?
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