The Walking Dead Season 1 Finale (GAME OVER)

[pirate mollie]

hi guyz

whats going on

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VOTE: other head

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fire why is vedith trying to imitate you

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Sheeping denotes a lack of independent thought. "I'll sheep this" means "I have an excuse to have a vote out there without having to explain myself!"

It's scummy at worst. At best, it's anti-town. Either way, sheeping is not something we should tolerate.

what is the scum to town ratio of your games so far?

[pirate mollie]

Sheeping denotes a lack of independent thought. "I'll sheep this" means "I have an excuse to have a vote out there without having to explain myself!"

It's scummy at worst. At best, it's anti-town. Either way, sheeping is not something we should tolerate.

what is the scum to town ratio of your games so far?

I haven't been keeping track.
But for all intents and purposes, assume I'm town.

yeah, no

that isn't gonna work for me.

I am asking you a question which shld take you all of 2 seconds to figure out since it is not like you have a ton of games on here.

I am asking you how many times have you rolled scum compared to how many times you have rolled town. 2 different numbers. easy.

[pirate mollie]

Sheeping denotes a lack of independent thought. "I'll sheep this" means "I have an excuse to have a vote out there without having to explain myself!"

It's scummy at worst. At best, it's anti-town. Either way, sheeping is not something we should tolerate.

what is the scum to town ratio of your games so far?

I haven't been keeping track.
But for all intents and purposes, assume I'm town.

yeah, no

that isn't gonna work for me.

I am asking you a question which shld take you all of 2 seconds to figure out since it is not like you have a ton of games on here.

I am asking you how many times have you rolled scum compared to how many times you have rolled town. 2 different numbers. easy.

I play a good number of games and I don't really feel like going through all of them right now.

The question is stupid though. If I've been scum in every single game I've been there or town every game I've been, it doesn't change the fact that I only have a ~20% chance of being scum this game.

so you can't be bothered to answer the question that I actually ask and presume to answer something that I am not?

VOTE: kuroi

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Your question is a useless question. My previous games don't affect the probability of if I'm scum this game.

If you want to find out so badly, why don't you look? It only takes two seconds, right?

I am not asking about your probablities I am asking you for numbers.

sure I can go look it up for myself, but I find infinitely interesting that you can't be bothered to answer a simple question but you CAN be bothered to continue a discussion in which you are being overly defensive about a point that I am not even making?

like that is why I am voting you. you seem like hyper-aware self-conscious scum.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: Mollie The spat between Mollie and Kuroi looks very forced and Mollies comes across as arrogant, with fluff questions that aren't doing anything to advance the game. Kuroi's reaction on the otherhand is pretty similar to how I imagine I would react and so I'm tentatively listing Kuroi as town.

I also like BBT's point about YAW, but I like my vote better on Mollie.

they aren't fluff questions.

like your interpretation is forced cos you are having to make shit up about what you THINK that I am saying instead of just asking me, "hey mollie, what was the point of that question" god I fucking hate this game sometimes.

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Well what did her posts accomplish? Her vote and case may as well be an RQS wagon but to start one now is scummy when you consider that having had ample time to reconsider her stance she carries it on pointlessly, which seems to me like she's content with simply fluffposting and not advancing the gamestate at all.

Anyone who doesn't want to advance the gamestate is, in my mind, inherently anti-town and therefore a viable lynch target.

Why is YaW a better vote than Mollie?

^ feel free to vig this

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Also Kuroi is town

nope

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before I out my role, some pple might want to save themselves the embarrassment and unvote me

[pirate mollie]

I am at p14 and i just want to get this straight.

so

magna, hebi, beeboy all have me as scum but catdog as town? catdog who is townreading me (with good reason)?

I just want to get how this works.

I am going to respond to back posts once I have caught up.\

eta: is wis still allowed to lurch by?

I can't wait

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@MOI 268

Eh, fair point, I should probably be voting Y+W right now, I may get around to that shortly, but cakes irritates me.

Kuroi’s 280 is self-conscious and straight up scum-posting he definitely goes in my scum pile

Cakes transition between 283 and 289 is terrible, feels like he is pulling reads out of his ass, and calling what I said hand-waving is either completely fucking moronic or scummy, he can take his pick. It’s just on-going game BS so I’m not going to get in to it anymore. (His weird ass note on PV here makes it likely that if cakes flips scum PV is too, and yes PV adapts his meta, he lurks a lot as scum, but he’s also a damn good player in either role, don’t rely on that shit.)

If mollie or Cakes flips scum I’m going to let the other one be town in my book for pretty much ever given the way pressure come in to being on molls during the cakes(and kind of Y&W) wagon round post 290 or so.

I like Xkyfu’s reactions with hebi and cake, he can be town.

I don’t really like the way cakes unvoted me either, though he is following MOI so I suppose I can’t be too irritated (post 315)

Current piles in no particular order look like

Towney: CatDog(UpTooLate/hiplop hydra), PeregrineV, MagnaofIllusion, Xkfyu
Scummy: SirCakez, pirate mollie, Young and Witless(Creature/Something_Smart hydra), KuroiXHF
IDGAF: The rest of you.

I am really trying hard to figure out if td is town here or not MY BRAIN IS CRANKING.

lets go with town.

[pirate mollie]

what is the scum to town ratio of your games so far?

Kuroi’s Alignment in Completed Games –

Town (14/13) – Open 643, Large Theme Mass Effect Mafia, Open 644 (Replaced Out but Town Slot), Micro 620, Micro 609 (Times two, Town on both Worlds), Mini Theme 1773 Symphonic Metal, Open 634, Micro 602, Mini Theme 1778 Buzzfeed, Open 627, Open 625, Open 630, Newbie 1671,

Scum (4 ) – Mini Theme 1795 Science UPick, Mini Theme 1794 Gunslingers, Micro 589, Large Theme A Song of Fire and Ice

3rd Party (0 ) – None

So there are the non Marathon statistics for you. The split on Town is if you consider his double Town alignment in Micor 609 as two Town slots or one. I eagerly await the scintillating output on Kuroi’s alignment this info provides from you.

before I out my role, some pple might want to save themselves the embarrassment and unvote me

Yeah after seeing this I’m very interested to see your input based on Kuroi’s games …

what wld have been really kewl is if kuroi wld have answered this in the first place.

that way it wld have given me a hint into how he organizes his thoughts.

as of rn I have no clue and it makes me think he has something to hide.

I have played 2 games with kuroi and in neither did he bitch about sheeping but then he was scum. :/

I need to know if this is a player that I can work with or if he is doing the same boring ass tired routine of trying to throw me off cos of overly defensiveness which tends to come from scum!him. application of info is my primary focus here in trying to determine his thought.

my question was not a "fluff" question, i don't normally ask those. hey mav was around the last time I had to explain it to some1. which I think was cake boy.

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magna, hebi, beeboy all have me as scum but catdog as town? catdog who is townreading me (with good reason)?

So I'd really like for you, once you get done answering back questions, to point out specifically the posts I made where I said

1. Mollie is scum.
2. Catdog is Town.

Furthermore why should I give two shakes what Catdog's read on you is anyway? That's for extra credit.

I don't really care if you scumread me or not.

I cared about 5 minutes ago but now I don't.

you win

[pirate mollie]

I am not going to go look

but was that a town!kuroi game

cos if so my original question stands

eta: I am not sure that word means what you think it means...

[pirate mollie]

I have played 2 games with kuroi and in neither did he bitch about sheeping but then he was scum. :/

Gunslingers and what else?

the pokemon game where you were scum with wisdom

[pirate mollie]

Yeah, town is allowed to be wrong on scum, doesn't mean people have to agree with their townreads.

To YAW, I don't really care if you feel I'm waving away scumroi's "Arguments"

They're bad, I shouldn't have to justify my reasoning against them.

I mean SS, you were one of the scum during the game where I replaced in and played with Kuroi, doesn't his claim to have "Respect" for me as a player seem super suspect, seeing as that was also the only game I played with you if I remember right. So just try justifying the obvious "lol she's too good for this argument" thing with that in mind.

are you saying that kuroi is scum while still voting me?

holy hell

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walk me through it

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also we are acquainted so don't act like you do not know who I am

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wats the larger picture

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wats the larger picture

he would focus on stupid wording choices instead of the overall context of the post.

what is the overall context of the post?

[pirate mollie]

okay

so why do you think he is scum?

[pirate mollie]

Why is Mollie still on Kuroi when it ended long ago? Seriously, there's newer things to comment on like the YaW wagon (which I kinda want to join but I really don't like Mollie's play more than I like the YaW wagon).

I don't like the amount of meta and half-baked faux-assertive stances in this game thus far. Trying to appeal her case as town by associating with someone who townreads her (#380) is just weak and looks like 'why me'. The fluff questions (and I shan't be letting this go, I'm very firm on this) were exactly that. Finding out how Kuroi organises his thoughts is bollocks, frankly and when you combine that with a weak link to meta that really says nothing much at all it looks very forced, like Mollie is trying to look like she's doing shit, which she ain't.

#386 looks like a forced attempt at playing into Townie Recklessness and I dislike how obtuse Mollie is being. It's like she's trying to be arrogantly tough to read, which to me just stands out as scum.

I'd really appreciate more people looking at and commenting on Mollie and Kuroi please. This and YaW ought to be the wagons today and I'm reasonably happy to see this through to completion today.

uhm

what part of I am a self-resolving issue do you not understand?

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Probably the bit where you act scummy as hell?

what you are calling scummy are not actual scumtells, they are playstyle tells.

since I am self-resolving you don't have to worry about me

in other newz I am feeling good about bbt and am watching vedith to see if I can figure him out, I really want them to be town. also liking magna.

hebi's response seemed really shallow, like she really isn't trying to sort the game, she is trying to sort a likely narrative. at least that is how it comes across to me.

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bbt, I hear you on yaw, I am not feeling ss in that hydra at all and in the last twd game I got a strong townread on him right off the bat. I don't want to rush the day tho.

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you are right, i thought they had more than that.

VOTE: young and witless

[pirate mollie]

Maverick is probably town.

Because both heads town-read SC and both heads flailed when trying to explain their town read.

Why is this scummy?
-smart

why does this sound like creature and not ss

[pirate mollie]

You're asking why is flailing scummy?

Do you think I have any trouble coming up with reasons for reads as scum?

Maverick is probably town.

Because both heads town-read SC and both heads flailed when trying to explain their town read.

Why is this scummy?
-smart

why does this sound like creature and not ss

-smart

yanno

I was just sheeping bbt cos I townread him and it sounded like a good idea at the time and I wasn't sure of what else to do cos this game has thrown up what might be a lot of false positives for me so I am trying to muddle my way through that but omg you really are scum aren't you

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<snip>

edgy

[pirate mollie]

You're asking why is flailing scummy?

Do you think I have any trouble coming up with reasons for reads as scum?

Maverick is probably town.

Because both heads town-read SC and both heads flailed when trying to explain their town read.

Why is this scummy?
-smart

why does this sound like creature and not ss

-smart

yanno

I was just sheeping bbt cos I townread him and it sounded like a good idea at the time and I wasn't sure of what else to do cos this game has thrown up what might be a lot of false positives for me so I am trying to muddle my way through that but omg you really are scum aren't you

Out of all the reasons to be convinced that YAW is scum, this is what sold you?

why yes. yes it is.

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why yes. yes it is.

Ok...why?

What was it about that post that has you so convinced suddenly?

it is cos I don't get the feeling that I am talking to ss. I feel like I am talking to creature.

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why yes. yes it is.

Ok...why?

What was it about that post that has you so convinced suddenly?

it is cos I don't get the feeling that I am talking to ss. I feel like I am talking to creature.

That's the second time you've mentioned that.

To be clear, you're just saying that you think SS is playing more like Creature, and therefore you're scum reading them?

You're not saying that you believe Creature is posting, but pretending to be SS, right?

what if i am

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But to answer your question, I think that would be an absurd reason to scum read a hydra slot.

why?

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Like, show me one scenario in which that slot is caught as scum, and one of them says "Man, if only we had signed our posts backwards, we wouldn't be in this predicament."

no1 has actually said that but I can show you games where 1 hydra head pretended to be the other 1 and they turned out to be scum

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Like, show me one scenario in which that slot is caught as scum, and one of them says "Man, if only we had signed our posts backwards, we wouldn't be in this predicament."

no1 has actually said that but I can show you games where 1 hydra head pretended to be the other 1 and they turned out to be scum

First off, yes, links please. I would like to see that, if for nothing more than entertainment value.

Secondly, did they do it BECAUSE they were scum?

Because if they didn't, it can't be considered scum indicative.

here is 1 where I am pretty sure it was for tactical purposes, it was alluded in another game I forget which 1.

but it happens. my hydra partners do it to me all of the time and we do it as town, why it stands out for yaw is the content of the reply + timing

[pirate mollie]

oh! here is the game!

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58690

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I like Xkfyu for town for his interactions with PV and MOHIS.

Hebichan's interactions with Kuroi are similarly so.

What interactions and why did you like them?

For both Xk and Hebi.

For Xkfyu, I liked in 255 how he didn't back down from what he was saying despite his terminology being challenged, and I think the way he was trying to get reads out of people without caring how it makes him look reminds me of his towngame.
I already explained my reasoning on hebichan.

Like, show me one scenario in which that slot is caught as scum, and one of them says "Man, if only we had signed our posts backwards, we wouldn't be in this predicament."

no1 has actually said that but I can show you games where 1 hydra head pretended to be the other 1 and they turned out to be scum

Do you think you know me and Creature well enough to be able to tell that it's him posting and not me?
(ftr, the only time I've ever even seen that idea brought up before was by Ranger, who was scum.)

-smart

I think I know YOU well enough to tell when you are playing in a straightforward manner wrt your wc, your play rn makes me think you have a different 1 from my own. am I wrong?

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I think I know YOU well enough to tell when you are playing in a straightforward manner wrt your wc, your play rn makes me think you have a different 1 from my own. am I wrong?

What about my play in Walking Dead 5 was straightforward? I had no idea what was going on literally the whole game.
-smart

you walked through the progression of your thought processes unprompted, while here the general motivation seems to obfuscate things? and I am not understanding why. I feel like the smart I met in the last twd game is hiding behind creature's playstyle and I want to understand why.

[pirate mollie]

hello wis

[pirate mollie]

hhhmmm....

I really really 4 realz think that wis needs to be looked into.

@ creature

so okay neither of you are imitating each other. why is ss hiding, what i really loved about him in the only game that I played with him was how transparent his thought process was, like even if I disagreed I understood why we did.

I am missing that in this game, and I wld like to understand why. can you plz help me with that?

[pirate mollie]

hm

UNVOTE: KuroiXHF

@mollie: convince me on YAW?

I am not sure how I am supposed to convince you cos I am not entirely convinced! I am pressuring the ss part of the head cos I am not feeling him at all, hence the vote.

I am strongly feeling a wis lynch, he is lurking out my wagon while tossing out townreads w/o ever doing any actual scumhunting.

lynch with fire, but let me work out yaw first plz?

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Sircakes (moved from null to scum) list is awful even for him A player that barely interacts looks more townish then a player who is actively trying to figure the game out. Hell even the players that were active aren't even mentioned. I call BS on that.

Why am I in null if you moved me to scum?

Moved to scum during that point, then back to null just left my note during the read there.

Funny enough I see Kurbio twisting what Hebichan is saying many times over. Don't think it's weird at all, just meant to make hebichan look bad.

neh that's just typical kuroi being kuroi

He's typically defensive and twisting things so he looks better.....

THAT is what I was getting at with my questions. I was wondering if he had an amount (or close) of scum games/town games cos there is a thing called scum fatigue where some1 has played scum so often even their town games look scummy cos they just naturally have developed a scummy mindset. I was trying to negate a false positive line of thinking if I was reading him incorrectly. its that he refused to answer the question is what makes me wonder about him but actually that kind of makes him seem a little townish I think. mebbe. I am more concerned about wis's insta-defense of him.

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and yaye, I think far is town! I think ank might be too.

@ far - I think bbt is town. can you plz look at wis and yaw. what do you think of magna? a lot of my read on max is based off of magna and his interactions and I have magna as town. magna has been in the unsure pile.

[pirate mollie]

*max

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and yaye, I think far is town! I think ank might be too.

@ far - I think bbt is town. can you plz look at wis and yaw. what do you think of magna? a lot of my read on max is based off of magna and his interactions and I have magna as town. magna has been in the unsure pile.

I made a nice list.
It has my reads.
You want in depth reason?

yes.

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and yaye, I think far is town! I think ank might be too.

@ far - I think bbt is town. can you plz look at wis and yaw. what do you think of magna? a lot of my read on max is based off of magna and his interactions and I have magna as town. magna has been in the unsure pile.

I made a nice list.
It has my reads.
You want in depth reason?

yes.

Can you explain your town read on bbt?

it is a weak read but it is all I had to go on at the time. he said some things that resonated and I still like him for town.

are you going to make me give this read up? you are going to make me give it up aren't you

[pirate mollie]

Also I don't see why Wisdom is scum, I'd like you to explain, other then the fact that he isn't posting much what reads scummy to you.
I noted when I reread your post Mollie that some of your reasoning was meta releated in regards to YAW and Wisdom. I'm curious what your experience with DGB is?

*shuffles list a round a bit mentally*

I am not feeling wis in this game at all, that is why I am leaning scum on him. he is 1 of my favourite players and I am just not feeling it, usually when I feel like this he turns out to be scum.

I have played with dgb A LOT. we just completed a game and she got pretty nasty with me, but I am not sure if it was cos she was scum or if she decided she didn't like me for whatever reason, so I have mostly just let her be and I am waiting for vedith to give a read on her. I trust his judgment if he is town. right now they are an unsure mebbe town read for me.

[pirate mollie]

I feel like you're very non-commital this game Mollie.

Top 3 town and scum reads?

I have you, vedithfire, farside, perv, mebbe mav?, ank and magna for town. I think I am liking td for town altho I am very unsure about that. yaw and wis for scum and I am still trying to sort every1 else.

[pirate mollie]

No read on Hebi?

unsure to mebbe scum? it isn't solid yet. she is killing what I am wanting to kill rn which is yaw so

I am trying to work out if I can see them as partners

[pirate mollie]

why AREN'T you weirded out by them, far? this is weaksauce from wis, you have to know this.

[pirate mollie]

again, lack of effort means fuckall for me

if you are going to put fuckall effort in this game I am perfectly willing to lynch you.

[pirate mollie]

ty <3

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: wisdom

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why AREN'T you weirded out by them, far? this is weaksauce from wis, you have to know this.

They aren't strong and aggressive points,

but he has a point.

For example, when max ask wisdom about the scum read, he points out that max isn't even voting her.
Pointing out a weak case that someone made, none of that is weird.

Now I explained more indepth what I noted, why is that weaksauce exactly?

which point do you think he was making?

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, in your opinion, are you any good at faking frustration?

I am not good at faking it, no. my emotions are usually genuine and are not alignment dependent but I have been told I am a lot nicer as scum. so I have been trying to work on being nicer as town. but for some strange reason I keep getting scumread.

[pirate mollie]

so basic

I take it you are an alt?

your readslist is crap, so I am trying to figure out why

[pirate mollie]

I don't think it's that terrible? How many of those reads do you disagree with?
(I'd say they're pretty good, given that catching up is hard, and I imagine catching up in a large is even harder.)
-smart

well

he has bbt and I as scum.

I read the ketchup post and there is not really a clear line of logical progression from point a to point b.

I am trying to reason if they are reaction fishing with it, or if they are scum trying to blend in.

like where did the "I wonder where did dgb go" was mentioned but dropped for a scumread on bbt and I and I don't understand.

[pirate mollie]

so basic

I take it you are an alt?

your readslist is crap, so I am trying to figure out why

I had an another account years ago.
This is my main as of 2days ago.

OK. Get back to me on it.

okay

[pirate mollie]

uhm

what part of I am a self-resolving issue do you not understand?

^
mollie has committed herself to providing some kind of role-related results on the first day period.
if she's town, just let the scum deal with her.

worst case scenario, she gets lynched day 3/4 for bullshitting.
if the scum want to commit themselves like that on day 1, let them.

either way she's going to be gone before a lylo situation

thank you

can you plz explain to me why this is such a hard concept for pple to understand and how the fuck has dgb not figured this out cos it is making me want to scum read her for it.

god I hope I die during the night phase

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VOTE: kuroi

Not feeling the hebichan lynch anymore

As much as I agree with you there, I don't see anyone else seeing him as scum.
I don't see anything hebichan did that's town.

far I wld just like to point out that wis has been hard defending kuroi all game and called me scum for calling kuroi scum.

[pirate mollie]

okay i am off to work, I will be back later and vote tonight.

I still do not like wis, smart, dgb, perv, hebichan altho i am uncertain cos my reasons for thinking that they are scum are entirely based on I am really not liking their play cos it doesn't make sense to me from a town POV. I will think about this later

oh yeah town!vedith read has dropped for the same reason as above.

[pirate mollie]

Well since Mollie has decided to ignore my question and apparently doesn’t want my help in pushing Wisdom I’ll just keep forging ahead with scum-hunting in other places …

if you were not swayed by what I explained to far then I doubt there is anything really compelling that I can add that wld entice you to help me. it is a feeling based read. it isn't that I ignored you I just did not know what to say. your snark doesn't make it any easier.

I am home from work so i am catching up now.

[pirate mollie]

Maxous has been going back and forth on me and YAW for most of the game. Some of the time he says my wagon looks nicer and some times he feels like YAW is the best.
It genuinely feels like he's keeping his options open for towncred.

I mean, he could just be genuinely be teetering back and forth, but why wouldn't he say that?

As for mollie not being on either wagon... Distancing? There is almost certainly scum on my wagon with the amount of votes there.

uhm

I have been pushing yaw for most of the game, I unvoted cos I want to put up a final readslist before the day ends, which I cannot do while I am at work.

this post is awful

[pirate mollie]

So the above post warrants more votes, I would say.

oh god yes.

[pirate mollie]

all caught up

I am going to organize my readslist and my thoughts and then I will vote hebi unless something earth shattering happens.

[pirate mollie]

town

magna
bbt
far
max
ank
xfkyu

if anybody needs me to explain these reads I will. I am a bit unsure on xfkyu but I am putting him in the town pile cos I do lean town on him, I am just not that confident in my ability to read him.

unsure

mav - I think mebbe town? but I am pretty unsure and he disappeared so the read has weakened but I am thinking that mav wld not be quite so confrontational with me if he were scum.
kuroi - I am wondering if mebbe he just has a super duper scummy playstyle regardless of alignment. gut wise I think he is a town lean.

cake boy - unsure. gut wise I wanna say town but I am not sure how to go about clarifying the read. he hasn't really said any outstandingly scummy things but nothing that makes me go "I love this post!" either so unsure very light townlean.

vedithfire - I am not liking vedith and it is making me sad I kind of like where fire's head is at in this game go. but unsure

td/basic - I kind of liked td for town but basic has brought down the real estate of that slot and has made me question my read. I had td as town cos of td's familiar reach out to me, when he is scum he usually avoids me like the plague.

catdog - why have neither of them reached out to me. I can't read them if they aren't active. unsure will even call it the scummy side of unsure.

perv - unsure. I need to see more.

dgb - waiting on vedith. it wld also clarify my read on vedithfire.

yaw - unsure/lean scum? I am still not getting what I want from smart hence the scumread.

wis - scumzorz!

who did I miss

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: hebichan

[pirate mollie]

kuroi - I am wondering if mebbe he just has a super duper scummy playstyle regardless of alignment. gut wise I think he is a town lean.

this feels bad

do you wanna talk about it?

[pirate mollie]

if you were not swayed by what I explained to far then I doubt there is anything really compelling that I can add that wld entice you to help me. it is a feeling based read. it isn't that I ignored you I just did not know what to say. your snark doesn't make it any easier.

Given there was no response at all I drew the only conclusion I could. Glad I was incorrect.

I mean - I'm more asking if there was some meta basis that you could point to fueling that particular gut on Wisdom. Despite what BBT says meta has its place in Mafia.

there is some meta to it, I guess I thought that I explained it. whenever I cannot feel him in a game he turns out to be scum. every. single. time. it is a feeling based meta read and I keep hoping that he will do something that will change my mind but he hasn't.

I have had a very hard time drawing the read out in a way that I cld clarify it for myself and for other pple to see it is cos he will do a 1v1 thing (he has done this in the past) and pple wind up townreading him for it, it is how he wins as scum.

[pirate mollie]

Sure

what makes you think that and hes not just scum

its called giving the benefit of the doubt. and I have played with players like this before. he isn't in my town pile why does this bother you and why are you scumreading me for it

[pirate mollie]

I have had a very hard time drawing the read out in a way that I cld clarify it for myself and for other pple to see it is cos he will do a 1v1 thing (he has done this in the past) and pple wind up townreading him for it, it is how he wins as scum.

If you have a link or two showing this and it plays out that way this game I will grind him into the dust for you.

this is the game where we were scum together:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=60046

here is 1:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=65526

he is scum with kuroi here and I was in a hydra with utl.

I have a cple of older games, if you want those

[pirate mollie]

I really don't like Catdog vote at all, with no reason at all.

who are you talking about here

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: hebichan

eh

So talk to me about your Hebi as scum read Catdog. Because a quick search of your posting this game comes up with only 1 mention of Hebi and it is this vote.

Mollie: moi pointed out here a very correct fact about catdog.

I know! I wanted to be sure who you were talking about tho.

[pirate mollie]

Let's talk about your reads Mollie.

First off, why do people have so much trouble reading me? I feel like I go through this during D1 of every game. People kinda town read me but say stuff like "he's giving off strange vibes." I don't really get it.

Secondly, I've been reading Wisdom as town, based on the transparency in Post 679, and the general ease in which he seems to be posting.

Lastly, you use a lot of meta in your reads. Have you had much success in the past using meta to this extent?

I don't know why pple have trouble reading you. half the pple on this site think that I am an easy read and the other half think that I am scum nearly every game, which is kind of funny considering I haven't played scum on this site since last year I think.

wis always has ease of posting regardless of alignment. I think he is scum in this game.

yes I use a lot of meta, just not in the same way that most pple use meta. I don't do pattern matching, instead I try to understand how the person gathers/processes/applies the information they receive from the game and see if it matched up to an alignment. I have found that type of meta to be incredibly useful and it really helps me to solve the game. as far as the success of it I played 25 town games and won 23 of them. but I recently lost a doozy of a game cos a player that I was pretty familiar with did some things that I cld not imagine her doing as town. every felt like she was obvstown cos she aTe-ed a lot but I just cld not get over some of the things that she chose to do. so meh on that.

[pirate mollie]

I’ve mulled it over on my drive this morning and don’t think I will unvote.

Hebi’s claim is … meh. It isn’t a role that can be proven one way or the other in any way that is alignment indicative as Hebi stipulates to herself. The claim itself is a perfect cover to explain why as Mafia she isn’t Nightkilled and presents Negative Utility WIFOM for a potential Town Vig. And even if she’s Town her play has rendered any potential she’d be a Nightkill target moot.

The main reason why I’m not unvoting is not the claim itself but her play surrounding it. Hebi isn’t engaging her wagon in any way or trying to parse out alignments anyone. All she does is appear to make a claim and do nothing else. She looks scum trying to minimize her links to teammates with her lynch possibly imminent and hoping that the claim bails her out for another day.

Hebi flipping scum would make we want to look more closely at Catdog, Wisdom and Xk.

Given that Maverick popped back up to say “Hey I’m here” and “Hey, I’ll get to your questions soon” following a generally unimpressive prior ISO I think he’s prime bullet material if we have a Vig.

--

IAWTP

its why I have not unvoted either but I am starting to struggle with it cos there is no hint of a cc and the role is believable cos I have had town bp in twd games twice now. so for that reason I think I might be leaning towards believing her.

who wld be your next choice?

[pirate mollie]

Ps. Mollie why didn't you just search for kuroi's stats yourself? And BTW what was the purpose? Or did I miss the reveal?

because HOW kuroi answered the question wld give a helluva lot of insight into how kuroi thinks, which I may or not be able to apply in this game. it might be something that I file away and can use for later. I play for the long game

[pirate mollie]

Ps. Mollie why didn't you just search for kuroi's stats yourself? And BTW what was the purpose? Or did I miss the reveal?

because HOW kuroi answered the question wld give a helluva lot of insight into how kuroi thinks, which I may or not be able to apply in this game. it might be something that I file away and can use for later. I play for the long game

I'm curious, Mollie.

How do I think?

I don't know, I am still in the gathering information stage of my assessment of you! sometimes it takes a few games so I just have to be patient.

[pirate mollie]

I think I had it in 1 of the first 1s. I might be confusing it with another game tho, I tend to roll bp a lot. its like some horrible curse or something cos I prefer to die early since my play deteriorate over time.

[pirate mollie]

I think I had it in 1 of the first 1s. I might be confusing it with another game tho, I tend to roll bp a lot. its like some horrible curse or something cos I prefer to die early since my play deteriorate over time.

Well I saw it only in season 5

I don't find the actions of hebichan thus far to sway me in believing her claim.

I'm also not a fan of the idea of asking for or expecting a cc of any sort there either mollie.

I am not asking for an open declaration of "OMG YOU CAN'T BE BP COS I AM" I just feel like I wld have seen something by now if there was 1. no, I do not want the bp to out themselves.

don't twist my words far

[pirate mollie]

I think I had it in 1 of the first 1s. I might be confusing it with another game tho, I tend to roll bp a lot. its like some horrible curse or something cos I prefer to die early since my play deteriorate over time.

Well I saw it only in season 5

I don't find the actions of hebichan thus far to sway me in believing her claim.

I'm also not a fan of the idea of asking for or expecting a cc of any sort there either mollie.

I am not asking for an open declaration of "OMG YOU CAN'T BE BP COS I AM" I just feel like I wld have seen something by now if there was 1. no, I do not want the bp to out themselves.

don't twist my words far

Did 3rd party in the other twd have a bp?

I think there was a lyncher? are you wanting me to go check, if so just say so and I will go look at the twd games I played. a cple of them were with hydras.

[pirate mollie]

I think there was a lyncher? are you wanting me to go check, if so just say so and I will go look at the twd games I played. a cple of them were with hydras.

If you aren't really interested I'm going to do a full inventory of his completed Walking Dead / Pokemon / other games in the AM. So that might save you some work ...

honestly if you cld do this I wld be really freaking grateful.

work has gotten stupid busy and when I come home I am wanting to do the bare minimum cos I am so fucking tired and my feet are sore. today was my sixth day in a row and my next day off is sunday. it is supposed to get better soon.

it isn't that I am not interested it is that I am tired. I really want something light hearted and stimulating. mafia can sometimes do this for me but this game isn't. so I am doing what is required and helping out with what I can.

[pirate mollie]

Nothing in this Meta dive gives me enough doubt about the Hebi lynch to overcome the fact that she has stopped posting any content (which I noted earlier) and looks to be minimizing her interactions for future analysis purposes which says scum to me.

this is pretty much where I am at

and thank you magna for doing that <3

[pirate mollie]

another tip for you would be to not use multiball games for scum meta

will y'all plz lynch this fire god wis is such scum

[pirate mollie]

mollie stop claiming scum pls

you know i know you can read me better than this

lol

how many times have we had this convo and every time I die and you either flip scum or your scummate goes on to win the game. I mean i don't even try to lynch you when I think you are scum cos town will get so earth shatteringly stupid about you and try to meta you by pattern matching and you don't work like that. I even tell pple to not do that and they do it any way and the next thing I know its "GOOD SCUMGAME WIS YOU SURE HAD ME FOOLED".

I feel like cassandra, that misunderstood prophetess. *hrmph*

a scum!wis flip wld make me think xf thing. I know I had him as town before but if wis flips scum I wld pursue xf to the ends of the earth.

and actually

VOTE: wisdom

[pirate mollie]

There has been a Lyncher and Survivor in Walking Deaf games before yes

Thoughts on hebichan and others?

Fine with her being lynched, not townreading her and her claim is sketchy

Also developing a Mollie scumread

are you honestly trying to throw shade on me cos I unvoted hebi cos I am pretty fucking sure wis is scum? I am making it really fucking clear that I think this and I agree with what magna has said about her: she did not play as if she was trying to attract a nk and she is not posting any reads for us utilize. I will revote before the dead line. I just want it really clear that I think wis is scum.

if y'all don't lynch him before endgame I am going to be really pissed. cos this is how he wins as scum. every. fucking. time.

he is 1 of the few players that can actually get town!me mislynched. and he does it by doing what you pple are doing now. I srsly doubt I will be alive for that long, and I swear, if you pple do not lynch him after my flip I am flipping tables.

[pirate mollie]

I don't know if I'm more shocked about how I led the lynch on scum, or if it's because everyone is alive.

Did someone protect me? That'd be super sweet.

Um I think you get credit for voting them but I hate to say it and shatter your ego but you probably came in about 5th or 6th if we were determining who drove that wagon.

Sorry.

--

@Mollie

- so what's this about you be self-resolving and all? Do tell please.

no1 is more surprised than I am that there was no nk. I am pretty sure I shld be dead for a cple of reasons.

[pirate mollie]

@ xkfu

have a seat.



let's chat

[pirate mollie]

Wisdom might be another place I’d go given the hop off Hebi earlier.

fwiw I'm pretty sure I'd have pushed a counterwagon if I was her buddy and I decided I didn't want to bus her anymore

I swear this looks like scum distancing.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: wisdom

[pirate mollie]

^ good vote want to sheep but it would be baseless and wrong for me to do so

then what is good about the vote

[pirate mollie]

I don't like him and I hope he gets roped.

okay

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

why

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: BlueBloodedToffee

why

The way he questioned me yesterday felt way off.

I didn't think so. what do you think about wis?

[pirate mollie]

Do you have anyone you think I should ISO read though before I re read? Anyone you find sus that I can give input on.

ISO Wis!

[pirate mollie]

@ xkfu

have a seat.



let's chat

That chair looks so uncomfortable...and it's so dark.

But yes, let's. What's on your mind?

okay so we have a game that we can freely talk about! hooray!

only 1 thing happened in that game that I wanted to happen; the cupcake lynch. I don't take credit for mcnenno cos that was sheeping a guilty from dgb. you asked me about me using mpstly meta for my reads.

why did you ask me this question?

I wld like to have a good amount of dialogue with you, now that I have a reference point to use.

I am ketching up now, this is where I am at.

[pirate mollie]

no1 is more surprised than I am that there was no nk. I am pretty sure I shld be dead for a cple of reasons.

This isn’t an answer …

Given no kill occurred I’m dubious that you are that surprised.

Unless you have a better answer to my question you can absolutely kiss my support goodbye on your Wisdom crusade.

I think I like that catdog vote tho.

I am pretty sure won't be able to reach your expectations with any answer that I am able to give then.

I will say this you were my strongest townread and nothing that you have done has made me change my mind.

[pirate mollie]

Mooooooooollie...

You've had me sitting in this uncomfortable chair for hours. Where'd you go? I thought we were gonna talk?

I am here now!

[pirate mollie]

Ok, I have a bit of time while my daughter's birthday cake is in the oven.

Still pretty sure SirCakez is scum. Let's break this down.

He started off by giving a BS reason to townread MOHIS. When called out and pressured for it, he bumbled about and tried to move the focus elsewhere.

His reaction to me pressuring him was fucking terrible. Instead of trying to defend himself or talk with me or anything, he just tried to discredit me. Now, at this point, Mollie and I were already dead in Summer Mafia (which just now ended). I had been yelling for his lynch and molls and I got NKd, and it was confirmed to me he was scum. 211 and 375 where he mentioned Gumball and the mini we were in together pissed me off because he was fucking baiting me. He knew DAMN WELL I couldn't say anything about Summer yet because at the time it was ongoing.

His sudden read on BBT reads as fake. Actually, his whole "reads list" is fucking fake as hell. It took him minutes to go from not really having reads to having opinions on people.

Go look at his ISO. It's full of him asking surface level questions (and not really following up), making jabs at me, and just going through the motion of scumhunting. He avoids the hebi wagon, and look at his votes. TD vote was unexciting, he hopped on IPS when he was getting pressure, and even his vote on us was weird timing. When he voted us in 719, there were 2 major wagons happening. Hebi and YAW. He hardly says

anything

about hebi. When asked about her, he has no thoughts, until it was obvious she was getting lynched and he just made a backhanded comment about not caring if she's lynched and her claim was weak.

Go look at his play in Game of Thrones. he was a lot more engaging and had solid opinions on people. Here it feels like he's just trying to ride it out posting just enough to appear active but not doing anything to make waves or get attention to himself.

I got frustrated yesterday and stepped back from the game. I had just spend a ton of energy on trying to get scum lynched in Summer just for town to fight me on it, I didn't have it in me to do it again. When I checked back in it was obvious he wasn't getting lynched, so I talked to my other head about what we wanted to do. We both agreed that hebi was scummier than YAW and went there.

Seriously. What has Cakez done to earn a townread from anybody?

hey utl lets talk, cos you have moved into my town pile with this post.

cake boy is steady in my unsure pile. he hasn't doesn't done that thing he does where he makes a post and it goes ping! SCUMZORZ like it did in summer. you are not the only 1 who is frustrated over the summer game, as I am sure you are aware of. but I think it was d3 when you and I connected with that read, prior to that we just both had him where I have him now. he said scummy things then but I am not seeing that same mindset here yet. you are right, he isn't trying to make waves. but I am not quite seeing what you are seeing. he is a giant void inside my head tho, and that is a huge red flag.

I will look harder at cake boy, but can you plz look at wis so that we can compare notes? I liked the timing of 1123 and 1124, it looks town herd mentality happening but there are some posts that I do not like.

[pirate mollie]

If you are town here (which I highly doubt) you are being extremely confbiased and I feel like you would have recognized that by now if you were town.
In Summer Mafia where you caught me as scum you did other things then just tunneleling me, so this feels very fake.

I find it interesting that you are reciprocating the reasons for scumreading utl, cos those are the same reasons she has for scumreading you.

so lets talk about me. what is your read on me cake boy?

[pirate mollie]

You haven't even read his ISO, have you?

He posted a readslist at one point, the only prodge/catch up later post he's made is the very last one in his ISO.
This is not his scum behavior.

If you are town here (which I highly doubt) you are being extremely confbiased and I feel like you would have recognized that by now if you were town.
In Summer Mafia where you caught me as scum you did other things then just tunneleling me, so this feels very fake.

Actually, it feels like the exact opposite of fake.

VOTE: SirCakez

Yes, UTL's shitty whole-game tunnel on me without even once reconsidering her read on me despite reading me wrong multiple times before is definitely real.

gross

[pirate mollie]

I'm on kindle but was reading hebi a bit not done but I can for sure say

TR: Kuro/My other head is scum

VOTE: Sircake Early on hebi tried to do a weak vote on them said 1 more line on it and then ignored it for the rest of the game when the way Hebi was talking about the read it seemed like she was very strong on it seems like a weak attempt to distance
more when I get back

I don't know what you are saying here. can you plz explain?

[pirate mollie]

The opportunistic arguement I hear on this site is almost as bad as the wifom one it's something people say when they can't back up the case because they know it's true

I'd say instead of opportunistic I'm being...observant

You pulled a vote on me out of nowhere when a wagon started to form on me despite having expressed no signs of a scumread earlier
That's opportunistic

Me too

Then why'd you use one to try to discredit CatDog's scum read on you?

I didn't?
Your vague sarcasm was useless.

You did. You implied that because UTL has read you incorrectly in the past, it means that she is reading you incorrectly now.

???

I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

why

[pirate mollie]

I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

Why would you think that? She certainly didn't do anything of the sort last game.

Last game (I assume you mean summer mafia) she did things besides tunnel me the whole game

we were a hydra.

[pirate mollie]

I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

Why would you think that? She certainly didn't do anything of the sort last game.

Last game (I assume you mean summer mafia) she did things besides tunnel me the whole game

Yes, sorry. I mean Summer Mafia.

She didn't tunnel you the whole game, no. She did, however, tunnel you once she was sure that you were scum.

Push me? Yes.
Deathtunnel me like here? No

how is it deathtunneling on d2? when really I have missed their presence.

[pirate mollie]

I'm saying if she was town here she would have backed off or at least reconsidered her read at some point by now

Why would you think that? She certainly didn't do anything of the sort last game.

Last game (I assume you mean summer mafia) she did things besides tunnel me the whole game

Yes, sorry. I mean Summer Mafia.

She didn't tunnel you the whole game, no. She did, however, tunnel you once she was sure that you were scum.

Push me? Yes.
Deathtunnel me like here? No

Did you not read that game at all? That's exactly what she did. Her and Mollie both, actually.

I know this because the "town" that UTL was talking about earlier that defended you so hard was basically just me. We went back and forth about it forever.

oh it was defo you.

hence the chair

[pirate mollie]

Yes, UTL's shitty whole-game tunnel on me without even once reconsidering her read on me despite reading me wrong multiple times before is definitely real.

We are on Day 2, so I mean, yeah I've been on you the "whole game" but the game hasn't been going very long. The thing is, Cakez, you haven't done anything to make me step back and think maybe I'm wrong. I even stepped back from the game, which gave my brain a break and you some space, and you still didn't do anything noteworthy.

Seriously, the way you've responded to me is awful. You've relied soley on trying to discredit me instead of telling me

why

I'm wrong. You can call my push shit and go on about how I've misread you twice before, but I laid out my reasons for scumreading you, and you didn't address any of them. You responded by calling me confbiased instead and said it felt fake. You're not even trying.

I ~probably~ won't be on again until tomorrow, birthday things for the Princess and what not.

If I told why you're wrong you'd still call it discrediting
I could go through your case but I feel like it will have next to no impact on how you read me

okay well

I

want to hear it and I am sure I am not the only 1!

[pirate mollie]

^in simpler terms, Cakez should be understanding why UTL is scumreading him instead of dubbing it impossible and fake

FUCKING FINALLY YOU SAY SOMETHING THAT I REALLY REALLY LIKE

WAS THAT SO HARD

[pirate mollie]

mollie do something useful with your vote

I am working on it shut up

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: dgb

this combined with the above post soyeah we are lynching cake boy

give me a minute to fully ketchup

[pirate mollie]

Hi all, will catch up on game later.

Can tell you all that DGB is town so you don't need to worry about her.

No hope about it Farside, she is town.

I chose DGB because she did nothing to me that helped me read her.

It was between DGB and Pere. Also, I was a 1-shot gunsmith which means DGB is clear as even a GF shows up with a gun, no? Also means we probably have a vig who didn't shoot for false positives.

Oh I was checking out other ISOs and saw this
I buy it

then
VOTE: mollie

803/804 looks really bad with the hebi scumflip)

I dont agree, why does a hebi buddy vote then unvote? A hebi buddy reads the whole thing and calls hebi town, assuming that was the end goal

She called Hebi town in 804 then never mentioned her again though
It's irrelevant since there's apparently a clear on her anyway

AHAHAHAHAHA

AHAHAHAHA...AH.

VOTE: sir cakez

[pirate mollie]

Im glad
Now can you stop being buldermar and do useful things?

HUSH YOUR WHORE MOUTH

I think you are town. your thought progression matched my own and it wasn't just me; it was secured with your interface with
magna and xk.

town reads in a snap, gutwise, not even looking at the game globally or trying to look deeper into whatever I made notes of are:

magna
wis
xfkyu (welcome back to my town pile. I can explain how I came to this conclusion if you want)
far
bbt
dgb
catdog (fistbumping far and I wanna see more plz)

[pirate mollie]

hey ank

whats shaking

[pirate mollie]

^in simpler terms, Cakez should be understanding why UTL is scumreading him instead of dubbing it impossible and fake

FUCKING FINALLY YOU SAY SOMETHING THAT I REALLY REALLY LIKE

WAS THAT SO HARD

It's hard to only really work off one game as meta, but this really doesn't come across as town Mollie to me.

I really feel like kuroi knows he is fucked rn

[pirate mollie]

Im glad
Now can you stop being buldermar and do useful things?

HUSH YOUR WHORE MOUTH

I think you are town. your thought progression matched my own and it wasn't just me; it was secured with your interface with
magna and xk.

town reads in a snap, gutwise, not even looking at the game globally or trying to look deeper into whatever I made notes of are:

magna
wis
xfkyu (welcome back to my town pile. I can explain how I came to this conclusion if you want)
far
bbt
dgb
catdog (fistbumping far and I wanna see more plz)

Like this was a terrible post by mollie too.

~Fire

enlighten me as to what was terrible about it

[pirate mollie]

Well, her self resolving role was kind of why I wanted to leave her alone yesterday, the fact she is here and no update on that stuff makes me want to pressure her more.

Like look at that town list, it really didn't feel like a genuine thing, it was just like anyone who gets townread often or is usually strong town. It didn't feel real to me for w/e reason.

Meh. Catdog is also bugging me, and I don't think those two are together for w/e reason I can't explain.

And I definitely don't think Cakez is with either CatDog or Mollie.

Jesus I am doing so many fucking terribad preflips in my head.

~Fire

so who on my town list do you think that doesn't belong there? that list is a follow up on my reads from yesterday so how the fuck are saying that it is not real?

[pirate mollie]

okay so we have a game that we can freely talk about! hooray!

only 1 thing happened in that game that I wanted to happen; the cupcake lynch. I don't take credit for mcnenno cos that was sheeping a guilty from dgb. you asked me about me using mpstly meta for my reads.

why did you ask me this question?

I wld like to have a good amount of dialogue with you, now that I have a reference point to use.

I am ketching up now, this is where I am at.

I asked because I was curious. I used to use meta a lot, when I first started playing, until I realized that it was extremely unreliable. At least, for me.

I started noticing your extensive use of meta in Summer Mafia, and since it was a large reason you knew Cakez was scum, I was wondering if it was just a fluke, or if you have had similar success with it in the past.

I will respond to this when I get off of work

[pirate mollie]

Ok … at least I know where to proceed from at this point.

what is your read on him?

I thought his cross posting with you looked townish but wis has never misread me, the only time he thought that I was scum when I wasn't he was scum. it is 1 of the handful of times I got mislynched and it was cos he shoved my wagon through much like how he is in this gamer. he was lynched the next day round but kuroi went on to win the game. he really really feels like scum here.

[pirate mollie]

Or, you know, BBT lied. Why isn’t that possibility on your radar at all? I mean it seems less likely but shouldn’t be dismissed.

Why does BBT come out and fakeclaim that while under no pressure whatsoever?

why wld I soft claim on d1 under no pressure? especially when I am not known for fake claiming claim as scum?

your read on me feels fake as shit.

[pirate mollie]

Why does BBT come out and fakeclaim that while under no pressure whatsoever?

Why does he pre-emptively as Town come out and "clear" DGB when DGB was under no pressure whatsoever at that point either? It's a non-starter question as it makes sense as neither alignment.

how does it make sense as either alignment?

I think bbt is town.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: Mollie The spat between Mollie and Kuroi looks very forced and Mollies comes across as arrogant, with fluff questions that aren't doing anything to advance the game. Kuroi's reaction on the otherhand is pretty similar to how I imagine I would react and so I'm tentatively listing Kuroi as town.

I also like BBT's point about YAW, but I like my vote better on Mollie.

they aren't fluff questions.

like your interpretation is forced cos you are having to make shit up about what you THINK that I am saying instead of just asking me, "hey mollie, what was the point of that question" god I fucking hate this game sometimes.

Also this is awful

Much like Sircakez recently, mollie here dubs an attack on her forced because it's unthinkable that Maverick just expressed his interpretation of mollie's actions

I actually like Maverick's couple of posts here

this is fake as shit wis.

if wis flips scum maria is town cos it looks like he is trying to groom her. mav's posts were terrible.

[pirate mollie]

Also I like how mollie takes zero issue with hebi's bullshit vote on her while pushing Kuroi - compare with her reaction to Maverick voting her or Cakez voting her recently

I know mav and cake boy. I have played a few games with them both. they shld know better.

[pirate mollie]

I feel like you're very non-commital this game Mollie.

Top 3 town and scum reads?

I have you, vedithfire, farside, perv, mebbe mav?, ank and magna for town. I think I am liking td for town altho I am very unsure about that. yaw and wis for scum and I am still trying to sort every1 else.

Noting molie's absence of read on hebi here

because I hadn't sorted hebi yet.

and yeah I am back to thinking you are scum here cos no way wld town!wis wld fuck up this bad.

[pirate mollie]

Sure. Vote Maxous with us in the meanwhile.

so you think that I am scum WITH maxuous? explain that 1.

[pirate mollie]

If you think max and mollie are scum too why no push to explain those scum reads?

ding ding

are you agreeing with far here? cos thinks kuroi is scum and I thought you had him as town. explain.

[pirate mollie]

Reread finished

Maxous and mollie are scum

Peregrine prolly isn't scum given Maxous trying to paint him as a hebi buddy (also did it to Basic) - but that requires Maxous to flip scum first

Dunno who the fourth is. I need to reexamine the Cakez/CatDog thing sometime because the fourth is probably in there. Anyway not the priority

Let's hang Maxous and mollie.

oh really

[pirate mollie]

Talk to me about them, I'm in the process of rereading D1

I'm training someone at work so all I can do at this very second is to tell you who I scumread:
pirate mollie
MariaR - slightly
CatDog
Maxous
PeregrineV - slightly

Alright, I can explain a bit on my scum reads.

Pirate Mollie - It's pretty obvious. She's reaching. She reminds me nothing of the town Mollie I've played with.
Catdog - I haven't liked a damn thing that they've voted, although I feel itching to switch to someone else.
MariaR - Not even comfortable in her own clothes and she's throwing scum tells, but it could just be her. Her old slot-fill hasn't pinged me super hard.
Maxous - I'm really thrown off by his posts.
PeregrineV - All I have is that his silence seems to be something he's consistently done as scum, so I'm actually quite suspicious.

point out the posts where you think that I am reaching

[pirate mollie]

why wld I soft claim on d1 under no pressure?

You didn't claim like BBT did, it's different. Also you were under pressure.

wait so first dgb says that I was scum cos I claimed when I wasn't under pressure and you are scumreading me cos you think me getting 2 votes is pressure?

[pirate mollie]

you're funny though, when you think I might be close to townreading you you say I'm town, and when you see I am still scumreading you you're back to scumreading me

cos I wld expect town!wis to come to his senses and somehow you are not doing that. I don't want you to be scum cos I hate it when you are scum. you KNOW that it is easy for pple to misread me and usually it takes another stronger player to defend me before pple leave me alone. you know I flail as town and know that it is not that hard to get pple to scumread me. the only reason I am not mislynched more often is cos I am pretty good when town and town tends to lose when I get mislynched.

I think your read on max is baseless, your posts are really fucking shallow and your scumread on me is atrocious. cos YOU shld know better. and you do. it is because you know me so well that scum!you is able to get me lynched. you know how I will react, and scum!you knows how to take advantage of this to the fullest. this is what feels like you are doing right now and the fact that you are still scumreading me makes me think that is what you are doing here.

[pirate mollie]

Sure. Vote Maxous with us in the meanwhile.

so you think that I am scum WITH maxuous? explain that 1.

I have already

explain again.

also I am going to post what you are responding to cos it looks like you are trying to bury the game with pithy posts that are not connected in your iso which is a very scum!you trait. and I want this shit documented. AND REMEMBERED.

[pirate mollie]

If you think max and mollie are scum too why no push to explain those scum reads?

ding ding

are you agreeing with far here? cos thinks kuroi is scum and I thought you had him as town. explain.

Yes i agree
Hebi had you and maxous as scumreads yet didnt care to push you or make you appear scummy unlike her other scunreads (yaw and kuroi)

to me when I checked back it looked like she was talking to kuroi, not hebi

[pirate mollie]

Not why im scumreading you. Youre stretching again

so why are you scumreading me?

and I am pointing out the disparity of what you are saying. you are trying to capitalize on my inability to explain things which is scum!you all over so that you can exploit them.

[pirate mollie]

are you fucking kidding me

[pirate mollie]

I wld like reasons ty

[pirate mollie]

I dont think so

Firstly i agree with magna that scum wouldnt bus their ninja willingly

And then it probably looks weird to you because of kuroi's weird posting style

Im pretty sure Kuroi is town here

wis you are busser and you wld bus your scummate in a fucking heartbeat regardless of their role. you tried to bus kuroi in pokemon.

god wis is so fucking bullshitting you pple and you guys are gobbling it up like candy. exact same thing happened in summer

I have no fucking faith in town these days. like zero.

[pirate mollie]

zzz

Explain why Maxous is town with a non "because Wisdom says hes scum" argument

cos he is town. wanting to keep a special alive until d3 seems town to me. I have liked his pushes and I have liked what he has said. I know I am town and the timing of his posts and votes made sense to me at the time that he did them.

diid you ever answer why you are scumreading me cos I forget

[pirate mollie]

Because Maxous is scummier

Not really seeing that with the stuff Mollie is vomiting

plz don't be a dick to me. thanks.

[pirate mollie]

I have liked his pushes and I have liked what he has said.

Such as? His awful YAW case? His manipulation on BBT? His desperate attempts to get YAW lynched over hebi while claiming hes scumreading hebi? What have you liked exactly?

awful case /= scummy

and you fucking know this

@ magna

plz plz plz plz look at this game:

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

I can also link at least 10 games where wis and I played together (pretty sure we have played together at least 20), I really really think he is scum here.

[pirate mollie]

wanting to keep a special alive until d3 seems town to me.

Thats not town. Thats just sheeping what everyone is saying.

who other than max, is saying this?

[pirate mollie]

[quote="In post 1424, Wisdom"][/quote]



you were making pre-hebi associations too, wis

[pirate mollie]

That didnt answer what you liked from him

Because you dont actually like anything he posted, youre just antagonizing me

yes. it did.

I am not trying to antagonize you. you are trying to get me emotionally wound up cos dummies always think it is scummy. you shld go chat with dgb she just did this in a game.

I fucking hate playing against you when I am town and you are scum it goes like a fucking script and nobody else sees it and am sick of it.

[pirate mollie]

I am not trying to antagonize you. you are trying to get me emotionally wound up cos dummies always think it is scummy.

Take a step back and realize im telling people to vote Max over you. Is that in the script?

I can see you changing the script since I just posted a link of what the script is.

[pirate mollie]

I'm back to thinking mollie is town here.
Interaction aside I recall she busses her buddies and fights more raging with them as scum.
I remember the Harry Potter game with a mixture of hate and frustration though.
Cakez involved in that push keeps me at arm lengths as well.

what

I am very very town here but not for these reasons. cos that is NOT how I play as scum.

[pirate mollie]

wagoning mollie is a waste of time.

look,we'll just have her fullclaim on day 3 or 4 depending on the game situation.

Rings major Mollie scum buddy bells

umm what?
mollie literally said "my role is self-resolving" to get people to stop wagoning her.
if mollie's role is anything less than "self-resolving" she is auto-lynched.
i genuinely don't understand why so many people are confused by this.
mollie is probably town ANYWAY, but like this is common sense procedure.
If scum want to commit themselves to roles that they can't back up..let them. she can't turn around and say it was a lie at this point.

this is why I think that you are town. THIS POST RIGHT HERE.

cos that is how you handle claims like that. even if I was scum there is a trail of my reads to work off of for associations. this is like basic mafia 101 strategy.

[pirate mollie]

wagoning mollie is a waste of time.

look,we'll just have her fullclaim on day 3 or 4 depending on the game situation.

Rings major Mollie scum buddy bells

umm what?
mollie literally said "my role is self-resolving" to get people to stop wagoning her.
if mollie's role is anything less than "self-resolving" she is auto-lynched.
i genuinely don't understand why so many people are confused by this.
mollie is probably town ANYWAY, but like this is common sense procedure.
If scum want to commit themselves to roles that they can't back up..let them. she can't turn around and say it was a lie at this point.

Her role didn't resolve anything night 1, did it?
That's what makes me doubt it.

NO1 DIED. THIS IS NOT THAT HARD.

[pirate mollie]

hey BBT, wanna vote scum instead of their counterwagons today?

you just had cake boy as scum as of yesterday so wait now you are townreading him? why? cos I do not see a reason to do so from the posts that he has made since the last time you fosed him.

[pirate mollie]

wagoning mollie is a waste of time.

look,we'll just have her fullclaim on day 3 or 4 depending on the game situation.

Rings major Mollie scum buddy bells

umm what?
mollie literally said "my role is self-resolving" to get people to stop wagoning her.
if mollie's role is anything less than "self-resolving" she is auto-lynched.
i genuinely don't understand why so many people are confused by this.
mollie is probably town ANYWAY, but like this is common sense procedure.
If scum want to commit themselves to roles that they can't back up..let them. she can't turn around and say it was a lie at this point.

Her role didn't resolve anything night 1, did it?
That's what makes me doubt it.

How do you know that Mollie wasn't the attempted NK?

I didn't forget about you or your post! I just wld like to talk to you when you are around sometime but it seems like we have a schedule conflict.

I just didn't know if you wanted me to explain to how I approach the game or not or if it was even necessary.

[pirate mollie]

I'd rather lynch Basic but I don't think that's happening so meh.

can you give me a readslist bbt plz? I wanna see if we are even remotely on the same page.

[pirate mollie]

I think she is surprised she isn't dead.

I am.

I think wis and cakez are role fishing and that is why they are pushing me. cos wis is smarter than this and I understand how you are missing this, far.

[pirate mollie]

What am I misunderstanding? Cakez said nothing resolved and mollie said "no1 died, it's not that hard" as if assuming that was what resolved

I'm assuming that mollies action will resolve when a player dies.

something like that. I never said nor implied that it was self-resolving on n1. I said it was self-resolving.

[pirate mollie]

I thought his cross posting with you looked townish but wis has never misread me, the only time he thought that I was scum when I wasn't he was scum. it is 1 of the handful of times I got mislynched and it was cos he shoved my wagon through much like how he is in this gamer. he was lynched the next day round but kuroi went on to win the game. he really really feels like scum here.

I have him in my “Meh, probably Town” pile. Your personal interactions aside I like where his head has been Day 2 so far. He might be agreeing with me and trying to pocket me as scum but that’s not anything I’m not aware of so I don’t find it a big issue at this point.

kk. I defo think he is centering his game around you. I can give a more in depth read if you wld like it. I really really really think he is scum.

how does it make sense as either alignment?

Did you misread my post? I said his claim made sense as

neither

alignment.

I think so. I took it as "neither alignment" as it cld mean either/or. am i wrong?

I think your read on max is baseless,

Here’s where you lose me Mollie. Have you ignored my posts on Maxous today? Because I was the first one to actively start pressuring him. So you are basically shitting on my thoughts indirectly and while I think your Wisdom read might be emotionally tainted I really want you to look at Maxous’s play Day 1 and tell me honestly you don’t see soft distancing going on from that slot. Look at the weak ways he acknowledges Hebi is scummy but does nothing to further that read or even interact with Hebi. Notice how he sits on the YAW wagon (which if Maxous is scum makes me more assured on BBT as Town given I think he was trying to draft in BBT’s wake) and doesn’t really push it either.

I think we have very different approaches to the game and I think it is going to cause conflict when I feel really good about you being town. for instance I think bbt is town who is claiming an inno on dgb. I believe him, I have thought that he was town since d1.

I don't think max is scum for pushing a stronger scumread and not voting for a lesser scumread, cos I did this myself and I know that I am town, and I have enough experience to know that is not necessarily a scumtell. I voted wis cos I wanted it very very very clear who i thought was scum in case I died. I was not going to let the day end with a no lynch and said as much. there was zero chance of another wagon happening or a no lynch unless some1 else unvoted and then I was prepared to revote I just wanted it really fucking clear who I thought town shld look at next.

I also think your Townread on Maxous as stated in 1476 is trivially easy for scum to implement and is a pocket attempt on you.

we even use the term "pocket scum" differently. and actually it is really freaking strange that you are using that term, cos I have never, ever, in all of my mafia career have come across a person who uses that term. when I say, "pocket scum", I refer to town!me trying to pocket scum in order to get them to bus. like srsly, sometimes the only way to get scum lynched is to try to get scum to bus their scummates or to sheep them if they actually do bus them, so sometimes I will drop a townread on a player I think is scum or I am unsure on. hebi looked to me like she was being bussed so I am wondering why you are so interested in looking at the non-bussers.

The other thing I’m wondering about you are so worked up about Wisdom mislynching if you have that sefl-resolving role you claimed. You are sort of hinting that you’ll get Mod cleared and I’m not sure why Wisdom’s scum read would have meaning to you since that clearage would make him look bad.

does he look bad to you now? he doesn't does he, unless I fucking push it with my last dying breath. its how it always is.

@ magna

plz plz plz plz look at this game:

I have skimmed it before. I’ll look at it in more detail maybe over the weekend.

You aren’t getting lynched today given your help lynching Hebi so I wouldn’t worry about Wisdom’s read too much if I were you.

I am not so worried about his read cos even when he got me mislynched I laid a trail that pointed directly back to him. that is what I am doing now. I really think he is scum, so far he has not answered my question about cakez and I got the feeling with his posts and the way/what he was posting is that he was trying to bury the thread. it is the scum tool that he and nacho used most effectively in the capscom game where we were scum together.

but like I said, I can pull up where we were both town and you can do a comparison. cos so far what you have said about a town!wis scenario is that you liked his posting on d2 and I dunno, I was hoping for fireworks or something. like was your d1 read was you really wanting to push him? cos today you are kind of lackluster and are somehow townreading him. yes, I know you 2 kismet in xposting but is that all? cos 1 thing that worries me is that scum!wis is 1 of the very few players who can anticipate town herd mentality effectively, LIKE 1 OF THE SACRED FEW.

I wld really appreciate if you looked at the game but I kinda feel like you need a comparison to clarify, which is why if you are in the spirit of looking up other games I wld really like for you to look up other games.

[pirate mollie]

wagoning mollie is a waste of time.

look,we'll just have her fullclaim on day 3 or 4 depending on the game situation.

Rings major Mollie scum buddy bells

umm what?
mollie literally said "my role is self-resolving" to get people to stop wagoning her.
if mollie's role is anything less than "self-resolving" she is auto-lynched.
i genuinely don't understand why so many people are confused by this.
mollie is probably town ANYWAY, but like this is common sense procedure.
If scum want to commit themselves to roles that they can't back up..let them. she can't turn around and say it was a lie at this point.

Her role didn't resolve anything night 1, did it?
That's what makes me doubt it.

How do you know that Mollie wasn't the attempted NK?

I don't, but she said she was surprised there was no death night 1 so I assumed it wasn't her

wagoning mollie is a waste of time.

look,we'll just have her fullclaim on day 3 or 4 depending on the game situation.

Rings major Mollie scum buddy bells

umm what?
mollie literally said "my role is self-resolving" to get people to stop wagoning her.
if mollie's role is anything less than "self-resolving" she is auto-lynched.
i genuinely don't understand why so many people are confused by this.
mollie is probably town ANYWAY, but like this is common sense procedure.
If scum want to commit themselves to roles that they can't back up..let them. she can't turn around and say it was a lie at this point.

Her role didn't resolve anything night 1, did it?
That's what makes me doubt it.

NO1 DIED. THIS IS NOT THAT HARD.

So this conflicts with what you said earlier about being surprised about the no death
I am confuzzled

What am I misunderstanding? Cakez said nothing resolved and mollie said "no1 died, it's not that hard" as if assuming that was what resolved

Cakez is trying to spin the fact that Mollie didn't die (and thus, her role didn't resolve) as a way to throw shade on Mollie. But since no one died, that's not valid, since Mollie could have very well been targeted for the NK, and it was blocked somehow. Hence my question to Cakez earlier.

Wtf is this?

Mollie mentioned literally nothing about being behind the no death until after I made the comment about her role not resolving.
This is outright misrep.

okay. me saying to magna, "no1 is more surprised than I am that there was no nk" is me mentioning something about there not being a nk. so no misrep happened.

[pirate mollie]

I think she is surprised she isn't dead.

I am.

I think wis and cakez are role fishing and that is why they are pushing me. cos wis is smarter than this and I understand how you are missing this, far.

If you can't auto clear yourself by tomorrow I am prob gonna be auto lynching you...or at least trying to cause you seem to be getting more tr's then sr's but I can try!

I never know how to respond to posts like these. are you trying to bait me?

[] yes
[] no

I feel like we need to break some things down here.

[pirate mollie]

Also in retrospect herbi could have joined that YAW wagon long ago.
I half wonder now if they are both scum.

So all 3 major wagons early on were on scum? That seems hard to believe

I assume you still feel better about a cake lynch then a YAW lynch then.

Not that I plan on voting either because I need Max to flip to help me get a read on Wisdom.

I'm not confident in my ability to read YAW.
I played with smart in 2 games.
Both times I scum read him and once he was town.
This play of his reminds me more of his town play then scum play.
I'm in that icky stage with him currently and would rather lynch sc.

@mollie: I think sc is riding wis coattails on the subject.

well that is what wis thought. then he switched to cake boy as town as soon as bbt voted him by saying, "you cld vote not scum" AFTER he had already hard fosed cake boy with no progression as to why he suddenly started reading townreading cake boy.

ugh. he freaking does this as town too sort of but there is just something wrong here.

[pirate mollie]

I dislike how Mollie won't say when or how there action clears them it gives scum room to stay alive/fake it call it a role fish if you will but I can't be the only one who is getting rubbed the wrong way by this

This is bad.
If some dies night 2 and nothing happens, then and only then will I push mollie

okay.

[pirate mollie]

I dislike how Mollie won't say when or how there action clears them it gives scum room to stay alive/fake it call it a role fish if you will but I can't be the only one who is getting rubbed the wrong way by this

This is bad.
If some dies night 2 and nothing happens, then and only then will I push mollie

I'm not pushing a Mollie lynch in fact in the post before this I said I was going to tomorrow but not today. I've seen scum do what Mollie does all the time so it worries me. Hell I'd prob do it to

so where have you seen scum do this all of the time?

[pirate mollie]

okay. me saying to magna, "no1 is more surprised than I am that there was no nk" is me mentioning something about there not being a nk. so no misrep happened.

But you never claimed to be behind the no nk until now?

role fishing

[pirate mollie]

[x] yes
[] no
I'm not trying to bait you but I haven't really got a good read on you and I feel like you had no reason to claim and it's like "Give me a day guys I can clear myself!" And it goes on and on

if you are not, in your own words, trying to bait me then what was it you were trying to accomplish in that post?

[pirate mollie]

I dislike how Mollie won't say when or how there action clears them it gives scum room to stay alive/fake it call it a role fish if you will but I can't be the only one who is getting rubbed the wrong way by this

This is bad.
If some dies night 2 and nothing happens, then and only then will I push mollie

I'm not pushing a Mollie lynch in fact in the post before this I said I was going to tomorrow but not today. I've seen scum do what Mollie does all the time so it worries me. Hell I'd prob do it to

so where have you seen scum do this all of the time?

It happens on the site I play from scum do it a lot to not get lynched I don't know if that's "not normal" here but it is where I play.

what site do you come from?

[pirate mollie]

okay. me saying to magna, "no1 is more surprised than I am that there was no nk" is me mentioning something about there not being a nk. so no misrep happened.

But you never claimed to be behind the no nk until now?

this is an example of a loaded question.

I mean like this is a textbook version.

any answer to this is gonna be loaded for interpretation, since the intent of the question is to derive either an exact view or a view based on what is implied.

[pirate mollie]

Thats not a loaded question at all

I think it is

[pirate mollie]

Mollie and Maria if we could just claim all girl Mason in thread and table this conversation I'd be happy.
Let's not fight and let those not posting as much skate by.
Thanks

okay

who are you voting for again?

[pirate mollie]

Thats not a loaded question at all

explain

[pirate mollie]

Spoiler:

@something smart

: is there a specific reason you keep asking questions that you don't care what the answer is or if it's answered at all?

i don't see you doing in this previous town games. I actually checked

Oh! Me! Me! Me! I got the answer!

hey look, yet another instance of BBT getting manipulated by Maxous

young & witless might be scum white knighting SirCakez

I just realized it was Maxous that got this shit in BBT's head and it's making me dislike him

I would say the way wis is selling the scum read on max with those I quoted, bugged me the most.
There was the on again and off again attack on mollie that wis did as well I didn't get.

At some point wis voted kuroi on day 1 and I don't know what happened with scum read.

mebbe you shld ask him

[pirate mollie]

Stop trying to make me happen.
I am not going to happen.

posturing btw

[pirate mollie]

mollie.

In 1042 you claimed you had nothing to do with the lack of nightkill.

In 1477 you seem to imply you *did* have something to do with it.

I can buy theres a misunderstanding somewhere but whats for sure is that the two of those looked like you were changing your story. Therefore you cant blame cakez for seeing it that way.

have you answered my sir cakez question

cos I have asked twice

VOTE: wisdom

[pirate mollie]

Something confirmable as town
I;e bodyguard, vig, etc

And how would anything like that resolve without any NKs?

[pirate mollie]

magna I will do so when I get home

[pirate mollie]

Something confirmable as town
I;e bodyguard, vig, etc

And how would anything like that resolve without any NKs?

Vig doesn't need another nk to resolve
BG needs to be lucky to be proved really

Besides mollies claim, what is tour issue with her?

Read my iso
Her claim isn't even the biggest part of my issues with her

your iso is full of a bullshit, backpedaling and saying shit that was not actually taking place.

I wld think a town!you wld listen to magna and back off at this point while a scum!you wld feel obligated to the commitment of the scumread.

are you hoping to do to me what you did to glork in the summer game? at 1 point it was nearly all scum voting him and he got lynched cos he got ran over by a metaphorical truck IRL, and I thought "yeah I don't want him to have to fight this and no1 is fucking listening to me when I am trying to tell them that glork is likely town". he is a IRL friend and I hated our hammer on him. I knew he was likely town.

cos that is what it feels like.

your iso wrt me is garbage.

[pirate mollie]

From Max: I would like from you instead of defense thoughts about the players in the game, who is scum and why.

alright, i'll take a look at the playerlist

BBT - town. has a clear on DGB anyway
SC - ehh probably town even if he tries patience sometimes
Ank - ank's not really doing anything and is low content. needs to be sorted
Kuroi - probably town honestly. don't think he run such a buss on hebi and hebi's reactions to him didn't seem like partners.
mollie - probably town.
farside - probably town
MariaR - eh, i'd lynch her. Maverick wasn't great and maria is doing nothing despite tons of posting.
DGB - cleared by BBT
MOHIS - 98% town
PV - quite possible scum. went AWOL recently but needs to be sorted.
YAW - still scum. I think it's pretty transparent what they're doing with their votes on Day 2
Magna - I would guess town. would he power-bus hebi? maybe. but it's not something i would worry about unless he's still alive near endgame.
basic - i would lean town but not overly sure. seems genuine enough i guess but would like to hear more
CatDog - probably town. frustration and tunnel on SC feels real.
xkfyu - yeah seems fine. don't have any issue with his posting
wisdom - town, maybe. hard-tunnel makes it hard to have an unbiased assessment.

this is your readslist max. so what I looking at is you think yaw is scum, possibly perv and you are okay with lynching maria.

and every1 else is town. is this a correct assessment?

[pirate mollie]

i'll put it this way

i believe YAW is scum

you can bet a mortgage at least one

{peregrineV, ankamius, basic}

is scum. I think it's PV but honestly all 3 should probably be dealt with in whatever way.

idk about maria she's all over the place and COULD be hiding behind her playstyle or maybe she's just like that...up for ya'll to decide really.

sure, there's possibly somebody i'm town-reading that's scum (probably actually) but w/e

mebbe 1 of them is scum. they are the low activity posters.

who else other than low activity posters do you think are scum?

[pirate mollie]

Huh?
Mollie has been deathtunneling Wisdom the whole game, with some side jumps to Hebi and I
My reads were pretty bad day 1 and early today but they have evolved since then

Mollie is still stuck on the same people
So I don't get the comparison

where have they evolved? I mean you are still saying that I am scum and I am your major push.

[pirate mollie]

I'm feeling a bit crazy at the moment.

Vote: wisdom

This is more in regards to the push I saw on max and the vote switch off hebi that I'm having issues getting over.

/subscribe

[pirate mollie]

I'm feeling a bit crazy at the moment.

Vote: wisdom

This is more in regards to the push I saw on max and the vote switch off hebi that I'm having issues getting over.

Why did you think voting would be a good idea when you feel crazy?

^ scum

[pirate mollie]

I'm feeling a bit crazy at the moment.

Vote: wisdom

This is more in regards to the push I saw on max and the vote switch off hebi that I'm having issues getting over.

Why did you think voting would be a good idea when you feel crazy?

^ scum

These unexplained accusations are part of the reason why no one town reads you.

I'm feeling a bit crazy at the moment.

Vote: wisdom

This is more in regards to the push I saw on max and the vote switch off hebi that I'm having issues getting over.

Why did you think voting would be a good idea when you feel crazy?

Pointless question.

Next.

You're not still crazy, are you?

^ scum

[pirate mollie]

Because meta and gut

And i explained to you why i voted him, idc if you get it or not

I am STILL waiting for you to answer my question on cake boy

[pirate mollie]

farside will you marry me

[pirate mollie]

^scumposting

that isn't scum posting the bullshit that you are spewing is scumposting and pple are letting you get away with it.

[pirate mollie]

mollie dont whine about me not answering when you dont tell me what question

mebbe if I make it in large font you will remember this time. at 1 point you said you thought max was scum with cake boy. then bbt voted cake boy and you told bbt to stop voting town when cake boy had not posted anything to make you suddenly townread him. so what made you change your mind on cake boy?

[pirate mollie]

farside will you marry me

I knew this day would come one day!

I know my hubby would say lets go for it.

I don't mind sharing

srsly I am starting to develop a cassandra complex

oh yeah I need to dig for games for magna

[pirate mollie]

People don't think scum can be the two leading wagons.

Which is bad.

I don't think that is what magna is saying. he is saying that why wld scum not push yaw harder in order to save hebi when hebi had a powerful role for scum. he also doesn't think that all 3 leading wagons on d1 are all scum. it makes sense only if you assume that scum are playing strategically, which not all players do.

are we srsly gonna let wis get way w/o answering my question that I have asked 4 fucking times? GODDAMN YOU PPLE SUCK.

[pirate mollie]

We can lynch Wisdom tomorrow. I mean, I think YAW was pushed pretty hard so I'm not sure I agree with that.

Come help with YAW Mollie.

HE IS IGNORING ME AND YOU LETTING HIM GET AWAY WITH IT BBT. NO. NOT UNTIL YOU DO SOMETHING TO HELP ME OUT HERE.

[pirate mollie]

far he is scum. why won't you trust me on this

[pirate mollie]

Yeah he was
Also hebichans bullshit push on him

what is this post in response to?

[pirate mollie]

Yeah he was
Also hebichans bullshit push on him

what is this post in response to?

I thought it was Anka.
I mean seriously hebi accused max of being scum too so WTF is the difference.
Do we just sit down and think everyone she called scum with weak reason is town or do you do a full read over the players game play.
Am I doing this wrong?

can you plz let the person whom I ask the question of answer? cos I just finished YOUR game where scum!pie kept nipping every single scumhunting attempt that was tried by answering when some1 tried to go after her scummates. I cld really do w/o the paranoia rn.

there is not much I can say cos no1 is listening to me...AGAIN. but with the little that I can will you plz not interfere with it? ty

[pirate mollie]

Kuroi is probably town.

ank

you said that I was a player that you cld work with

so why aren't you

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: ank

[pirate mollie]

I can be convinced on Wisdom or MariaR. Kuroi would take a bit more work since I have my own reasons for townreading him.

what can I say to convince you more to vote wis other than what I have already said?

you are being strangely stilted

[pirate mollie]

Maxous is town

VOTE: Ankamius

Nope.

Ank is not being lynched today because he helped lynch scum which is more than I can say for most of the people trying to get that wagon started.

"Waa waa waa bussing" you cry. I don't give two shits about your bussing theories. I'll lynch anyone off the wagon Day 1 when we are in Day 2 over someone whose vote helped get a powerful scum role lynched.

BBT and DGB I'll lynch one of today over Ank. Both haven't contributed anything today that warrants being alive. BBT's weak claim isn't a shield for quasi incompetence and DGB's content is just barely above the Mendoza line.

I'm drawing a line in the sand - if you aren't with me on this Maxous lynch you are lining up for rope behind him.

I'm tired of watching this solid wagon on scum just falter as people play "I'd rather lynch people who make NO sense being lynched today given they helped lynch scum" for reasons that border on ludicrous.

It would not be this hard to get Maxous lynched as Town. Scum are not bussing and it is completely obvious.

I am not going to be bullied into voting some1 who I think is town. sorry.

[pirate mollie]

I'm still waiting on MoI to realize that max was on the wagon for hebi.
If your going off the wagon pick someone off the wagon.
I'm thinking scum bussed.

Maybe MoIi is scum

the thought has crossed my mind but I thought that I was being paranoid. I don't get his push on you and bbt at all. I still lean town on him tho. I think.

@ ank

you know that I do not work that way. I really feel like he is scum, and I am not discounting these feelings for a reason.

[pirate mollie]

eta: what I wld like to know is why are you not working with me on this. or at the very least give me a better option. its that you say 1 thing and do another confuses me and it makes me wonder if you are scum. I liked your original reach out to me but then it seems like you are doing nothing with it.

[pirate mollie]

I'm still waiting on MoI to realize that max was on the wagon for hebi.
If your going off the wagon pick someone off the wagon.
I'm thinking scum bussed.

Maybe MoIi is scum

the thought has crossed my mind but I thought that I was being paranoid. I don't get his push on you and bbt at all. I still lean town on him tho. I think.

@ ank

you know that I do not work that way. I really feel like he is scum, and I am not discounting these feelings for a reason.

Do you remember roughly when that feeling started? That's a good enough point to reference from.

I felt it towards the end of d1 the most strongly. he was self-meta-ing as to why he cldn't be hebi's scum partner cos he wld be pushing a cw or some crap like that right before hebi flipped scum. to me it reads like cheeky scum!wis distancing.

[pirate mollie]

The reason is because I've been really detached from the game as a whole, less about anything specifically inside it.

I'll read through that tomorrow (or the day after depending; work has been killing me lately).

okay well until you can engage with me in a meaningful way my vote is going to stay on you.

[pirate mollie]

When did I act like Hebichan and I have all this great history together? This is beginning to seem like a you-thing, and not a me one.

is this your scum calling card or something cos I have seen you say this exact same thing twice now and you were scum both times. this is exactly what you said to me when I called you scum.

VOTE: kuroi

I really really do not like magna's play rn. his insistence of hunting off the wagon cos he doesn't think that scum are bussing of the stunt that pie just pulled in badass females.

@ far

after playing in your game I defo think there are scum pushing on the claimed players. like I believe this 100%. I am sure some of them are derp town but holy fuck, players who shld know better are buying this crap. wis is scum and I feel like I shld have earned some trust from you by now and that you shld trust my read on him.

@ ank

I understand the not feeling engaged part cos I am really not either the most interesting thing in this game has been talking with xftyu. but why do you feel so very awkward to me?

[pirate mollie]

I refuse to read those walls

I really really wld like to play just 1 game where I don't have to wade through some1's shitposts. just 1.

[pirate mollie]

Oh shit. You're right. I thought I voted Max.

And I also seemed to have missed her soft claim. When was that?

You really want me to believe that whole time you were scum reading hebi you never saw that interaction between mollie and her?

I'm saying I don't remember Mollie saying that and I can't find it through her ISO.

what I said was that my role was self-resolving.

you shld be able to find THAT in your iso.

[pirate mollie]

I'm not following players who think mollie is scum.
Sc: what motive does scum mollie have, when she says her ability self resolves when a playerror dies?

that is not what I am saying. nowhere did I say that.

are you going to respond to my post? cos what is happening here is exactly what pie did in YOUR game, I am telling you there are scum who are pushing the players who have claimed. the town players who were pushing me were beeboy (who is genuinely fucking awful) and lld who hates playing town. there is no1 here like that..

not to mention that the hard push/deathtunneling on max is textbook to what a cw looks like, I shld know since I spent the entire game in summer watching cw after cw spring up against cake boy. like that is what happening here. I just can't figure out if it is kuroi or cake boy or fuck mebbe it is both.

I don't even feel like playing anymore. town is going to lose why cos wis is scum and no1 cares. and this happens in every game where he is scum. EVERY SINGLE 1.

kuroi's whole scum agenda is to paint the person who is calling him scum as either crazy or mentally deficient. he does this specifically to female players and I don't understand how he gets away with it.

I am sorry, I don't mean to be a debby downer but this is fucking depressing.

[pirate mollie]

I asked Farside if she was crazy because she called herself crazy.

I do appreciate you implying I'm a misogynist. It's definitely something different to add to my otherwise mundane Tuesday.

oh I am not saying that I think you are a misogynist, I am just wondering if it is a very specific scumtell you have.

[pirate mollie]

not to mention that the hard push/deathtunneling on max is textbook to what a cw looks like,

what
Counterwagon to who?

I think that max is a counter to scum!kuroi

[pirate mollie]

I asked Farside if she was crazy because she called herself crazy.

I do appreciate you implying I'm a misogynist. It's definitely something different to add to my otherwise mundane Tuesday.

oh I am not saying that I think you are a misogynist, I am just wondering if it is a very specific scumtell you have.

You said that for me too in a game and you were scum

you mean the game where we were scum together?

it is a scumtell that I have been trying to unravel for the past year and a half. I have no conclusive results. usually scum like to be nice and to not make waves but I know that you have no problem with pissing pple off, if anything it gets you townread and kuroi is shaping up to have a similar playstyle.