ROLE MADNESS: Dead Thread

[Wake1]

All three Masons were outed...?

[mhsmith0]

Really?

I may have to try that sometime, but honestly I feel multiball is pretty much ALWAYS good for Town.

Yeah. My point was that even if it wasn't multi ball, the distribution at least possibly favors town. Multi ball just made it very town favored IMO.

[mhsmith0]

All three Masons were outed...?

Basically a big by the masons (or one of them anyway).

[Equinox]

All three Masons were outed...?

RachMarie accidentally outed herself in the neighborhood, which led to Egg calling her out in the game thread. People had already suspected RachMarie at that point, so she came out as a mason and claimed with (I think it was) Klingoncelt, who also had some people suspect her. amalgam confirmed.

[Wake1]

I see.

[Wake1]

So, like, who is HC's main?

[TellTaleHeart]

I may have to try that sometime, but honestly I feel multiball is pretty much ALWAYS good for Town.

That's assuming they're aiming for other scum.

If they have

other

targets, say outed Masons or Innocent Children or good town scumhunters, to go after that's not going to be the case.

[Wake1]

Good point.

If at 45 players with Town vs 1 Scumteam, what's a good ratio?

35:10?

[Wake1]

Chamber said in chat that he joined my game. Maybe he's HC?

[TellTaleHeart]

Good point.

If at 45 players with Town vs 1 Scumteam, what's a good ratio?

35:10?

I would imagine a

lot

fewer scum than that.

Maybe 5?

[mhsmith0]

It depends on the roles. W few PRs, 6/7 wolves probably fine. In Role madness,unless the wolf roles legitimately counter town power (here they really don't) you need higher numbers.

[TellTaleHeart]

This EV calculator can only handle 36 players. A 30:6 has a town EV of around 10%. 35:10 can only be worse.

[TellTaleHeart]

Are you from another site, smith?

[Infinity 324]

Oh man these townreads on elitism

[mhsmith0]

I started on play dip, also play on MU.

Fwiw, even a +10% modifier brings town EV to like 35%. And I'd think town should be +10% or more over a LONG game even without PRs. And in a pr heavy game, town gets vigs, docs, watches, jks etc, all of which pay off substantially.

[Wake1]

I hope the Friendly Neighbor doesn't die.

First time including that role in a game.

[SirCakez]

Really don't think chamber is HC

[Elbirn]

I'll confess I'm rooting for the one

I hope the one is varsoon, he always rolls 3p in our games. And a sk win in a game this size would be like damn

@hot chocolate: in case you're a newbie and arent really sure what happened and why, I'd suggest trying out the newbie queue. People (I think) read your tone as fake and a way to try and avoid scum-hunting. If you want more advice, there are a lot of good and/or experienced players here, free to ask around and see how next game can go better potentially.

I agree. As much as I'm trolling in here, don't let what happened to you here turn you off to the site just yet, HC. I had to wade through a few mislynches as a newbie. It happens.

Unless you're me, then you never get mislynched no matter how bad you play and you never get night killed no matter how good you are.

Unless RadiantCowbells is an innocent child and I'm town, then my mislynch will be pushed by him every time.

[mhsmith0]

We gave a lot of power to the SK, but he/she/it/they will really need it. 41 opponents, and no one as an ally to provide advice, deflect criticism/momentum, etc. Hell of a hard road to hoe.

[mhsmith0]

Fortunately the SK seems happy w the rand. We gave the SK a personal diary PT. We'll see how that goes.

[mhsmith0]

Looking at EV calculator, if you have 10/3, with town at +10%, you get town win rate of 40%. And in a large game with a bunch of PR's, including ivestigative, killing, blocking, protecting, I'd think the votechance should be solidly north of 10%.

So if I use 24 v 6 at +15% (I think highly reasonable given the role madness structure whether the best roles are town roles), you get town win of 40%. Adding 8 town (to 32) and 4 wolves (to 10) probably scum-sides it compared to 24v6, but you also get multiple more days of voting and posting data and chances for the wolves to self out in the process. So yeah 32/10 is probably too scum-sided, even in the role madness structure, but I 'd submit not by all that much. Something like 33/9 with these roles/neighborhoods/etc is I think pretty reasonable for a town v scum setup. Then again I'm probably more or less on the far end of the philosophical balancing scale lol

PS on a shorter note... "reviewed by mhsmith0" is probably a good sign you have little risk of being in a severely town-sided structure

[pieguyn]

Unless you're me, then you never get mislynched no matter how bad you play and you never get night killed no matter how good you are.

Unless RadiantCowbells is an innocent child and I'm town, then my mislynch will be pushed by him every time.

/stares directly into your eyes and smiles innocently

[Elbirn]

Pieguyn you don't even know, this happened A SECOND TIME

Like

FUCK

Okay so Steven Universe mafia 2, rc was an innocent child AGAIN and after death tunneling obvtown RR and getting him quicklynched (he was town) he spent the rest of the game trying to lynch me while I just frowned.

[Ircher]

Looking at EV calculator, if you have 10/3, with town at +10%, you get town win rate of 40%. And in a large game with a bunch of PR's, including ivestigative, killing, blocking, protecting, I'd think the votechance should be solidly north of 10%.

So if I use 24 v 6 at +15% (I think highly reasonable given the role madness structure whether the best roles are town roles), you get town win of 40%. Adding 8 town (to 32) and 4 wolves (to 10) probably scum-sides it compared to 24v6, but you also get multiple more days of voting and posting data and chances for the wolves to self out in the process. So yeah 32/10 is probably too scum-sided, even in the role madness structure, but I 'd submit not by all that much. Something like 33/9 with these roles/neighborhoods/etc is I think pretty reasonable for a town v scum setup. Then again I'm probably more or less on the far end of the philosophical balancing scale lol

PS on a shorter note... "reviewed by mhsmith0" is probably a good sign you have little risk of being in a severely town-sided structure

It's more likely severely scum-sided imo.

[pieguyn]

Pieguyn you don't even know, this happened A SECOND TIME

Like

FUCK

Okay so Steven Universe mafia 2, rc was an innocent child AGAIN and after death tunneling obvtown RR and getting him quicklynched (he was town) he spent the rest of the game trying to lynch me while I just frowned.

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#RCshenanigans