Open 651: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[light_ganski]

Hiya everyone, don't think I've met most of you yet

VOTE: superbowl9

[light_ganski]

@light and @superbowl:

What did you discusse as a scumteam before the reroll? Which abilities did you discusse to select and why?

We chose daytalk and also to only passively look for the traitor

[light_ganski]

Yo!

VOTE: light_ganski

You were scum last time, why not again this time ?

It's not me, it's you

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How is day talk any where near as good as recruiting the traitor?

Recruiting is the most powerful upgrade for the scum. I've never been in a game or hosted 1 where scum haven't taken traitor.

Tbh we took daytalk so we could discuss strategy as we were going along

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If we got to LyLo, It's me, you and and light with the following confirmations-

We lynched Scum JOAT and Scum Role Cop (meaning that the traitor was recruited). Both me and Light are town reads of yours, and our ISO gives very little but we are voting each other in LyLo (meaning you are confirmed).
would you then have any less suspicion on Light giving what you know he originally selected?

In that situation you'd be scum, for my role PM tells me so

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@shaddowez - Pretty sure he could've just missed lilith saying you were town

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Yep they would, but at the same time I know I missed it when I first read the post and anyone could overlook one point like that

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Are you uncomfortable with my vote?

Yes. I fear that Sora is going to be lynched.

Because of an RVS vote?

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Idk about everyone else, but Vedith seems like a nice place to put my vote I think.
VOTE: Vedith

I like this

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Yep . I suugested when I came on that we recruit the traitor as well but we decided only to have daytalk to limit the number of town PRs.

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@Sir Bastion - I'm UK time as well usually, but European time (+2) for the next week

The only posts I didnt like were Kyndy101's posts here

I don't see the problem here?

I'm actually scum reading Vedith as well

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VOTE: Vedith

Back to 3 eh?

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Oh yh it's 2. Of course scum can't count

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Oh yh it's 2. Of course scum can't count

scum can't count when they're trying hard to look like they can't count. VOTE: light_ganski

Who tries hard to look like a 1st grader

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Imo lycanfire could be opportunistic scum here...

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hmm

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Town players should never answer for another town player. If you think its town vs town then:

Sorry, still not very experienced here. Won't do it again

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I'm actually scum reading Vedith as well

Why exactly is that?

55 really gets me the wrong way if you consider that just before it we were discussing how NJAC wasn't confirmable town

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Please elaborate. I don't see anything wrong with 55.

He's treating you as having town slipped when you didn't imo, and the conversation before that post was specifically about whether or not you had town slipped.

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Can't post rn because I'm just going to dinner but will make a post with reads + stuff in a couple of hours

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Ugh sorry I didn't post last night, my computer froze twice while trying to post and it was late so I needed to sleep

Anyway here's some reads:
Town - Shaddowez
Lean town - Superbowl, Sora, Kyndy
Null - Lycanfire, Sir Bastion
Lean scum - Vedith, NJAC
Haven't looked at the hydras/Raskolnikov yet

Starting with Vedith - Seems to prefer quantity over quality in his posts (67, 69, 71, 98 etc), even though he's been the most active poster he's posted way too much filler and fluff and surprisingly little content. 115 I don't get, why is he looking for his own buddies (if I'm missing something here please tell me). Already said what I disliked about 55. 142 is towny but thats about it.

Lycanfire - As I said

could

be opportunistic scum, voting Vedith because he was defensive/jumpy and then jumping onto me in 110 for questionable reasoning, but I think that contradicts the scum read on Vedith and in any case I think he's more likely over-confident town than scum. Posted lots of filler, made hardly any content - anti-town but not (I think) a scum tell here.

Superbowl, Sora - Both have posted constructive, game-advancing posts and have been clear about their positions (114, 156, 154, 177), though Sora hasn't posted much + it would be nice to see more from him. In particular I am impressed with superbowl's case on NJAC (177, 186) although I'd rather lynch Vedith today.

Kyndy - Whilst her case against Vedith (137) is a little weak I feel like it's town-motivated and it's conclusions match my reads of Vedith. Again his reads appear sound to me (167). This is a very slight town read though, not as strong as Sora/Superbowl.

NJAC -

Really

don't like 178 - kyndy's reads look okay to me. Disagree with 162 with regard to Sora as well. I can't fault Superbowl's case against him. Not as strong a read as vedith but getting stronger.

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@NJAC - why did you scumread Superbowl in 163

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@ HighHopes - could you elaborate your read on Kyndy please

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Can we have one from Lycanfire too?

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Vedith, if you're not fake claiming and you scum read me I request that you investigate me tonight.

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Oh please

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I disagree. Will roleclaim if I have to and if the other town players request it.

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^^^

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Honestly can't see him fakeclaiming here. After all if he gets to D3 alive we pretty much know he's lying

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Because scum would NK you??

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Because scum would NK you??

Disregard this, forgot town could have a bodyguard. But town have at least 3 PRs that aren't so thats unlikely.

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Because scum would NK you??

Would they?
There's no proof to my claim (Although I know there is no CC) in no way does my claim put scum at risk, even more so if they have taken roles.

Possible if they are all goons!

Ugh this makes me want to think you're fakeclaiming tbh

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Gonna break down your read on me just so we're clear:

Now, second scum I feel is Light ("Oh no, you think 2 people voting you are scum?!"). The reason being 202 - This post is basically a copy of what's already in the game. What pinged me so hard about it?
"142 is townie" - After the discussion of my 142 post had already happened. I'm 100% sure that if I didn't question 146, he would have called that town. I want to know here what makes it town, I mean I know what makes it a town but, but does he? He is saying what has already been said, and making his opinion, while he actually has none.

142 is towny because it explains why you think Lycanfire's questionable vote on me isn't a potential townread when I though it could be - if you were scum and lycanfire were town you'd have no reason to protect him from me scum reading him as it would make another potential mislynch available to you. You also stated the obvious that a decent scum player can respond to a reaction test in a way that looks towny.

Why would I call 146 town you basically say the same quote twice with slightly different phrasing.

His comment about Superbowl is basically - "Yeah, we got our mis lynch tomorrow"

Please, do tell me how agreeing with a townread makes me scum. Not much of a case huh?

[light_ganski]

I'm here now people. Not going to be very active until I get home on tuesday evening I'm afraid but I'll try to keep up.

Ugh anyway my reads are all scrambled and there's a nice growing wagon on my head. Lovely

Definitely scum reading lycanfire now. Still not sure what to think of the cop claim but not scum reading it. Gonna read some ISOs now and get back to you.

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UNVOTE: Vedith

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VOTE: NJAC

L-3 seems like a good place to put this for now but I'm equally happy with a lycan lynch since they're both scum

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You really think so? Vote me then

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But if not, stop taking every chance to bait me with your crappy reads

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VOTE: Vedith

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Ugh UNVOTE: Vedith. Still looks like gambiting scum to me but whatever. V/LA till tomorrow evening.

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@light reads?

(reads are from strong > weak)

Town: Shaddowez, Sir Bastion, Raskolnikov, Sora, Superbowl
Neutral/Hard to read: Kyndy, Hebee
Scum: Lycanfire, NJAC, HighHopes

Confused: Vedith (tbh I've likely got tunnel vision here so stop me if you think I'm being stupid)

@light_ganski: humour me, what is the advantage of such a gambit?

If he thought he might be going down, pre-emptively claiming might get him out of a lynch as it would be more likely read as a poor town move than a scum move, and as scum know who's town it would allow him to ride to LyLo on faked innocent results. He would also be aware that town would be uneasy with lynching a claimed PR even if they were scumread.
I increasingly feel like I'm deep in a tunnel here though so stop me if I'm being stupid.

On a side note @Light sorry for getting your gender mixed up earlier, I got you mixed up with Sora in terms of gender identification below your avatar and defaulted to male

No worries, it's just an honest mistake

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VOTE: Lycanfire

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What changed your kyndy town read to neutral/hard to read?
If Hebee is hard to read, why is 396 the only time you mention them, instead of interacting and trying to form reads?

My original kyndy read was weak and based more on my gut feelings than anything else. In 357, she does two things I don't like: first says HH's playstyle is townie before saying she doesn't like HH's style of simply summarising reads - I don't see the need for her to effectively contradict himself here. Why exactly is she bothered with Sora's 342?
Overall I don't feel like I've been given much reasoning in her posts to town read or scum read her. If you put a gun to my head and asked town or scum I'd say town but only on pure gut feelings I've had all game.

Hebee hasn't said enough IMO. Their 193 would make me lean town if they'd said more but he hasn't. Would like to see if any of those 'unreadables' have changed for them.

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VOTE: Lycanfire

Okay with <5 days till deadline you should probably either be convincing us really well and really fast to wagon Lycan or just voting one of the people being wagoned that you most want to lynch (NJAC based on your 396 reads)

I think I've said I'm fine with lynching NJAC if it comes down to it but my gut scum read on Lycanfire is much stronger. Will jot up a few thoughts here:

Lycan's first post is 86 where he comes in and RVS votes Vedith, at a stage where we're already out of RVS in my opinion. He makes a couple of jokey posts before switching to superbowl in what seems to be

another

random vote at a very late stage. In 99 + 101 he then switches onto me for rather questionable reasoning. This was the point at which I first suggested he could be opportunistic scum, but he then didn't post for some time and I sort of forgot about him which is evident in the fact I put him as neutral in my first reads post.

In my other reads post I said he was playing antitown but didn't feel as if I could place him down as town or scum at the tie (being that he was a bit of an afterthought to my reads as he hadn't posted in some time, to which he responds in 266 practically instructing me to town or scum read him. At the time I made that reads post I was struggling to build a read out of the small number of posts he'd made but an overall look at his ISO doesn't impress me.

He later says 266 was his jokepost which looks bad if he's not being sarcastic and I don't think he is, that post consists of the majority of the content he has made.

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I think I've said I'm fine with lynching NJAC if it comes down to it but my gut scum read on Lycanfire is much stronger.

What I'm saying is that time is now. This is how no lynches happen. The deadline comes a lot faster than you expect and the last thing we want as town is to have no decisive wagon on the same day as deadline. You trying to start a wagon on someone very few people are scumreading with this little time left (when you have a scumread with a wagon on them already) is not helping town unless you have some sort of big bombshell that would convince everyone to wagon lycan.

Okay, I'm prepared to rejoin the NJAC wagon since we only have 3 days left

VOTE: NJAC, that's L-3 I think

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but if i'm such a good lynch and a scumfucker why are you ignoring your gut read and sheeping njac's wagon?

is it because you have no incentive to solve the game?

No, it's because being town, unlike yourself, I have an incentive to ensure that the lynch is

on scum

, and whilst I would very much rather the noose were round your arrogant neck, I am quite prepared to vote for one of your teammates rather than let the decisive wagon fall on a townie, especially considering that there seems very little chance that your scummy butt is dying today. It doesn't particularly matter which order we lynch scum, as long as we lynch all of you so we can win. Playing to my win condition and all that, just like you are.

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@light: you townread Sora, what is it that you like in her posts? And humour me by pointing to a specific one.

Of course. 220 - him calling out vedith on being anti-town, and actually trying to encourage him to contribute more constructively than the crap he'd put in before that post, rather than just scum reading him and leaving it at that. If Sora was scum, I simply can't see what her incentive would be in trying to stop vedith playing anti-town (as he has been doing all bloody day).

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I know. I'm just adding it to try to gain supporters. I just want to move light's wagon and see what happens.

This is what happens. I'm tracker. Cue more "opportunist" bullshit from Vedith. Didn't wanna have both investigatives outed today but heh. Claiming now so I don't come online and find myself quickhammered like in my last game.

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Oh

UNVOTE: Light

Why haven't you added more in the game, if this is true? I don't like how fluffy and non-serious your posts are

I'm sorry about this, it's a fault of my play that needs improving and I'm working on

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Is all the night actions up somewhere. I want to know what light did night 1

tracked hebee