Mini 1804: Poker Mafia (Game Over)

[farside22]

Well, it makes it so town-Fire has no reason not to shoot. So either Fire shoots and is confirmed, and the game continues even if he misses, or he doesn't and is confirmed scum.

I don't see you, fire, and whoever fire shoots all as town.

I'm willing to risk that for narrowing the lynch pool.

I mean you do realize this is what I'm talking about to clear players and find scum and unless you think Titus or myself is scum INFINITY THIS IS DIRECTED TO YOU, my idea has the most chance of confirming players and finding scum.

I'm basically sheeping you until I get data.

Is what i suggested flawed.

Fire shots math
Infinity cops shadow
Math tracks Shadow.
Shadow jk either you or me.

This forces scum to either no kill if Fire is town and math is town
Scum to shot someone that is being scum read but is town

I really don't want shadow to JK, then there's an explanation for only 1 kill.

If we annouce we're tracking him, his buddy can just do the kill

For this plan to fail is if Fire and Shadow are scum together which no one has explained that association

You will have to do some hard conviencing that smart is town because right now I don't see why scum Shadow wouldn't just fucking hammer at this point.

How about fire voting shadow for weak reasons yesterday and not touching the slot today?

There doesn't even need to be an association. Everyone else is towny enough and they're scummy enough.

[farside22]

Sorry my post got in that quote.


You will have to do some hard conviencing that smart is town because right now I don't see why scum Shadow wouldn't just fucking hammer at this point.

[farside22]

I mean you do realize this is what I'm talking about to clear players and find scum and unless you think Titus or myself is scum INFINITY THIS IS DIRECTED TO YOU, my idea has the most chance of confirming players and finding scum.

I'm basically sheeping you until I get data.

Is what i suggested flawed.

Fire shots math
Infinity cops shadow
Math tracks Shadow.
Shadow jk either you or me.

This forces scum to either no kill if Fire is town and math is town
Scum to shot someone that is being scum read but is town
For this plan to fail is if Fire and Shadow are scum together which no one has explained that association

I do not see a flaw.

Bahhh! My queen.

I see a flaw if math is town.
I see a flaw if shadow is scum.
But I'm blinded by the fact that smart has summed up a case as lol scum make lynches happen. If that is town I don't want to come back to playing mafia ever again.

By the by on a completely unrelated note, does anyone want a kitten. I would like to hurt them (not seriously) since they keep messing with my computer when I'm on it.
On a serious level here they love me and want attention.
Sigh

[Infinity 324]

You will have to do some hard conviencing that smart is town because right now I don't see why scum Shadow wouldn't just fucking hammer at this point.

Scum shadow figures if he makes one more opportunistic as fuck vote, maybe people will start thinking he's scum

Your case of "smart has no case" is almost as bad as smart's non-case itself. He hasn't been putting as much effort into the game since d1, that doesn't mean he's scum.

[farside22]

You will have to do some hard conviencing that smart is town because right now I don't see why scum Shadow wouldn't just fucking hammer at this point.

Scum shadow figures if he makes one more opportunistic as fuck vote, maybe people will start thinking he's scum

Your case of "smart has no case" is almost as bad as smart's non-case itself. He hasn't been putting as much effort into the game since d1, that doesn't mean he's scum.

I said more then that about smart.

[MathBlade]

Tracker doesn't confirm anyone if you tell scum who you're targeting...

Shadow is confirmed scum if he roleblocks me.

Yes, but unless Math tracks him, the only person who will know that is you.

Yeah your vote makes total sense.

Do you not see the reasoning behind it?

If you think Fire is scum, why wouldn't you go along with it?

Also I thought you were scumreading me for associations with Math, is that still the case?

Again that's sarcasm, which is clear based on what I presented against you.

Yes, I realize it's sarcasm. You don't see why it makes sense. Would you like me to explain why it makes sense?

And do you think Fire is scum or don't you?

@Shadow: why do you think I'm scum?

Pedit: Infinity, do you see my logic behind NL?

No lynch is horrible.

If fire is scum then they just shoot me and fire has an out of I am vig and scum shot Math or no killed to frame me.

If fire town then the same occurs but fire genuinely believes this.

If you want to no lynch the proper play is to lynch me and then go into night so fire can adjust his reads and is forced to adapt that I am town.

[MathBlade]

Titus, why the hell aren't you setup speccing?

Bullets and cops will do the trick.

Infinity has a cop.
You shoot Mathblade.

If you're both town, the game is as good as won.

@Mathblade

1) I am town
2) this is not setup spec.
3) this is a problem if infinity is scum.
4) this is a problem of when I flip town whether fire is telling the truth or not.
5) this is not setup spec this is action dictating and doesn't tell us what you think.
6) this game is not as good as won because neither is confirmed and when I die my town flip will call those two into question.
7) what are your reads?

[Infinity 324]

You said you didn't like how he was calling you scum for pushing a mislynch on RC, though I disagree it's NAI.

Everything else is basically related to the fact that he didn't do much since d1, which is also NAI.

I'm not seeing it.

[MathBlade]

Farside I agree a tracker is used to confirm or condemn someone.
However if I publically agree with your theory on shadow then shadow jailkeeps me nothing is learned except shadow jailkept me. This is especially damaging if scum have a roleblocker and frame Shadowstep. (This is assuming Shadowstep is telling the truth about JK buy)

If I publically agree to track fire then fire as scum kills me. Fire as town may be killing me anyway. So confirming or denying here only forces the kill on me.

If I publically announce I am tracking infinity then this gives Fire and Infinity a free pass to not do as their claims have indicated. (E.g. Infinity cops the person who mysteriously dies...fire shoots me. In this scenario nothing is learned except my town flip.)

It isn't that I don't want to coordinate. I just can't publically agree to any of them else it is useless. I already hinted I'd probably track within those three. I am not saying I won't do it. I am just not saying j will.

You're joking right?
If you want to track Infinity I won't object but that doesn't stop the I was rb crap he could pull if he lies

^ this

Scum don't have a roleblocker. If someone is roleblocked shadow is confirmed scum. So shadow doesn't really need to be tracked for JK anyway, so math should try to catch someone making the kill.

I doubt smart is scum, but I'll hammer him to avoid a no lynch I guess.

You're concerned why again?

Tracker doesn't confirm anyone if you tell scum who you're targeting...

Shadow is confirmed scum if he roleblocks me.

Yes, but unless Math tracks him, the only person who will know that is you.

Yeah your vote makes total sense.

Do you not see the reasoning behind it?

If you think Fire is scum, why wouldn't you go along with it?

Also I thought you were scumreading me for associations with Math, is that still the case?

Again that's sarcasm, which is clear based on what I presented against you.

Yes, I realize it's sarcasm. You don't see why it makes sense. Would you like me to explain why it makes sense?

And do you think Fire is scum or don't you?

@Shadow: why do you think I'm scum?

Pedit: Infinity, do you see my logic behind NL?

No its don't see fire scum I explained that.
Your accusing fire of being scum while advocating a no lynch and clearly as I showed believing the claim from fire.

An RB person visits no one.
In a Math track infinity world (which may or may not happen) then infinity as town claims it right away. Then shadow step claims of they blocked infinity. If they did then shadow step is scum. If they didn't (or claim not to have) then I can confirm if Infinity was roleblocked if I live. If I do not live then my theory of scum have a roleblocker is right or Shadowstep is scum and we get information that way.

Any of the tracks have potential but only if I keep my mouth shut.

[MathBlade]

Sorry my post got in that quote.


You will have to do some hard conviencing that smart is town because right now I don't see why scum Shadow wouldn't just fucking hammer at this point.

1) Asumming shadow is scum, a hammer from shadow and rotating off of me takes time. Coming from nowhere and hammering smart makes it look like a bus. Similarly we are discussing mechanics. The more we talk about them instead of Titus doesn't have reads or who we think are scum and why there would be no interest in cutting off leaks to scum.

However this also points to Fire +Titus scum before. Scum IMHO can't hammer in this case.

[farside22]

You said you didn't like how he was calling you scum for pushing a mislynch on RC, though I disagree it's NAI.

Everything else is basically related to the fact that he didn't do much since d1, which is also NAI.

I'm not seeing it.

*cough BS cough*

[farside22]

♠ ♡ DAY 3 VOTECOUNT ♢ ♣

something_smart(3):

Titus, fire assassin, farside

Fire Assassin(2):

Infinity, mathblade

mathblade:

shadow step

NO LYNCH:

something_smart

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-08-13 12:30:00)

Tick rock someone better hammer before the cloak run out.

[Titus]

Titus, why the hell aren't you setup speccing?

Bullets and cops will do the trick.

Infinity has a cop.
You shoot Mathblade.

If you're both town, the game is as good as won.

@Mathblade

1) I am town
2) this is not setup spec.
3) this is a problem if infinity is scum.
4) this is a problem of when I flip town whether fire is telling the truth or not.
5) this is not setup spec this is action dictating and doesn't tell us what you think.
6) this game is not as good as won because neither is confirmed and when I die my town flip will call those two into question.
7) what are your reads?

1) The bullets can prove that
2) Yes, my point is the flips do the speccing for us.
3) Trapping scum to an argument is never a bad thing as this isn't likely lylo.
4) If there's only one kill, we can discuss it then.
5) I think the actions as Farside propose generate a good basis for gaining reads.
6) I disagree.
7) My reads are Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Farside

[Something_Smart]

You will have to do some hard conviencing that smart is town because right now I don't see why scum Shadow wouldn't just fucking hammer at this point.

Scum shadow figures if he makes one more opportunistic as fuck vote, maybe people will start thinking he's scum

Your case of "smart has no case" is almost as bad as smart's non-case itself. He hasn't been putting as much effort into the game since d1, that doesn't mean he's scum.

I said more then that about smart.

I said more than that about you.

7) My reads are Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Farside

why

[MathBlade]

♠ ♡ DAY 3 VOTECOUNT ♢ ♣

something_smart(3):

Titus, fire assassin, farside

Fire Assassin(2):

Infinity, mathblade

mathblade:

shadow step

NO LYNCH:

something_smart

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-08-13 12:30:00)

Tick rock someone better hammer before the cloak run out.

You could join me on Fire. We have a day. Again what is up with deadline pushes so far from deadline?

@Titus sheeping farside is not reads...Where is Tunnely speak her mind Titus? This is weird.

[farside22]

♠ ♡ DAY 3 VOTECOUNT ♢ ♣

something_smart(3):

Titus, fire assassin, farside

Fire Assassin(2):

Infinity, mathblade

mathblade:

shadow step

NO LYNCH:

something_smart

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-08-13 12:30:00)

Tick rock someone better hammer before the cloak run out.

You could join me on Fire. We have a day. Again what is up with deadline pushes so far from deadline?

@Titus sheeping farside is not reads...Where is Tunnely speak her mind Titus? This is weird.

I'm not voting fire.
The case sucks ass.
I'm sure scum are more scared of him.

Nothing so far has been said to convince me fire is scum.

[farside22]

♠ ♡ DAY 3 VOTECOUNT ♢ ♣

something_smart(3):

Titus, fire assassin, farside

Fire Assassin(2):

Infinity, mathblade

mathblade:

shadow step

NO LYNCH:

something_smart

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-08-13 12:30:00)

Tick rock someone better hammer before the cloak run out.

You could join me on Fire. We have a day. Again what is up with deadline pushes so far from deadline?

@Titus sheeping farside is not reads...Where is Tunnely speak her mind Titus? This is weird.

I'm expecting scum won't hammer there scum buddy at this point.
So I'll throw that clock up to remind players of how much time is left so no excuse can be made about not hammering.

Why do you want to drag the day out?

[MathBlade]

Because the "case" against smart is non existent.
I have seen one point that isn't "smart is lurking let's policy lynch"
On the other hand I have demonstrated where multiple theories emerge.

I will hammer at end of day to prevent no lynch but IMHO Fire or Titus are better lynch candidates.

Whatever is going on with Titus is not normal Titus.

[MathBlade]

But I seriously HATE the fact Titus and Fire are on the wagon together it gives me the heebie jeebies.

[Something_Smart]

ftr Infinity is leaning slightly more town and Fire slightly more scum.
My reads are something like:
TOWN -- Mathblade -- Titus -- Shadow_step -- Fire Assassin -- Infinity 324 -- farside22 -- SCUM
But they're not that strong so feel free to make this one of the games where everyone ignores my reads after I am lynched. (Usually they're terrible anyway.)

[Titus]

♠ ♡ DAY 3 VOTECOUNT ♢ ♣

something_smart(3):

Titus, fire assassin, farside

Fire Assassin(2):

Infinity, mathblade

mathblade:

shadow step

NO LYNCH:

something_smart

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-08-13 12:30:00)

Tick rock someone better hammer before the cloak run out.

You could join me on Fire. We have a day. Again what is up with deadline pushes so far from deadline?

@Titus sheeping farside is not reads...Where is Tunnely speak her mind Titus? This is weird.

Let the bullets resolve it is town.
Refuse to let the bullets resolve it is scum.
I am tunnelling refuse to let the bullets resolve it. (A)

[Something_Smart]

I am voting no lynch, in order to let the bullets resolve it WITHOUT potentially ending the game.

[Alchemist21]

♠ ♡ DAY 3 VOTECOUNT ♢ ♣

something_smart(3):

Titus, fire assassin, farside

Fire Assassin(2):

Infinity, mathblade

infinity:

shadow step

NO LYNCH:

something_smart

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2016-08-13 12:30:00)

[MathBlade]

No lynch is stupid. All it does is end in my death and then day starts over again tomorrow and people have to figure out if Fire is truth telling or not.

Infinity - If you believe I am town please cop Farside tonight. Their reads are terribad and without reason and leaves open the possibility of Farside/smart especially with the scum won't hammer post. If Farside is confirmed town having them decide the game IMO is best. If they are confirmed scum can duke it out.

Farside -- Same thing here. Smart's reads sketch me out on one of the two of you or Infinity being scum. This feels like 1800 something is very very wrong.

@Titus -- Correction. Using brain is town. Letting chips fall where they may is bad. How can you not see this?

[Something_Smart]

No lynch is stupid. All it does is end in my death and then day starts over again tomorrow and people have to figure out if Fire is truth telling or not.

What if Shadow were to JK you?

Infinity - If you believe I am town please cop Farside tonight. Their reads are terribad and without reason and leaves open the possibility of Farside/smart especially with the scum won't hammer post. If Farside is confirmed town having them decide the game IMO is best. If they are confirmed scum can duke it out.

True, except that Infinity inno'ing his partner is plausible here, whereas it wasn't before.

Farside -- Same thing here. Smart's reads sketch me out on one of the two of you or Infinity being scum. This feels like 1800 something is very very wrong.

Huh? My reads are farside and one of <Fire, Infinity> are scum.

@Titus -- Correction. Using brain is town. Letting chips fall where they may is bad. How can you not see this?

This is true, but sometimes using your brain is counterproductive. This may be one of those times.