Open 651: Stack the Deck (Game Over)

[lilith2013]

Votecount 1.013

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kyndy101 [1]

HighHopes

light_ganski [3]

Lycanfire, shaddowez, Raskolnikov

SoraAdvent [2]

NJAC, Vedith

NJAC [3]

superbowl9, SoraAdvent, Hebee Inc

Not Voting [3]

kyndy101, light_ganski, Sir Bastion

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2016-08-22 01:30:00)

pagetop count: Lilith 3 | Vedith 3 | HighHopes 2 | NJAC 2 | light_ganski 2 | Hebee Inc 1 | shaddowez 1 | kyndy101 1

Edited to reflect Sir Bastion's unvote

[Sir Bastion]

FTR I don't mind lynching HH if we get to it.

who is this for?

[Raskolnikov]

Highhopes catchup is so-so, there's no problems apparent but it does happen to 100% support the status quo. Shaddowez scumread is pretty wifom after already being mentioned and the rest is too basic to read into much. Need something more in depth.

will you be doing a catch up of your own or are you happy where you are chasing light?

How do you feel about the light wagon?

WRT catchup; I've made a case and went into my scumreads. I guess you're casting shade on me for not doing an "official" catchup beyond that but like ehh?

[NJAC]

FTR I don't mind lynching HH if we get to it.

who is this for?

Nobody in particular, just pointing this out in light of 370 and 371.

[Sir Bastion]

Highhopes catchup is so-so, there's no problems apparent but it does happen to 100% support the status quo. Shaddowez scumread is pretty wifom after already being mentioned and the rest is too basic to read into much. Need something more in depth.

will you be doing a catch up of your own or are you happy where you are chasing light?

How do you feel about the light wagon?

Light's wagon is surprisingly light, he's made some really stupid posts with one particular standing out (which I already highlighted) but I am going to have to be unpopular and say he's town and I will oppose any move to lynch him today.

WRT catchup; I've made a case and went into my scumreads. I guess you're casting shade on me for not doing an "official" catchup beyond that but like ehh?

Never said anything about casting shade on you not doing a catchup, actually I like the gusto of standing your ground on your case. Even if its case you seem to be second guessing in your own posts.

[Sir Bastion]

FTR I don't mind lynching HH if we get to it.

who is this for?

Nobody in particular, just pointing this out in light of 370 and 371.

if you didnt like 370 and 371 you could call him out on it.

I mean what is your actual case on Sora?

[Raskolnikov]

Light's wagon is surprisingly light, he's made some really stupid posts with one particular standing out (which I already highlighted) but I am going to have to be unpopular and say he's town and I will oppose any move to lynch him today.

But why though?

[NJAC]

I mean what is your actual case on Sora?

I'm in the process of rereading and maybe reevaluating.

[Raskolnikov]

Actually SB who are you scumreading now? Given the sora unvote.

[Sir Bastion]

Actually SB who are you scumreading now? Given the sora unvote.

that's an excellent question. I discovered I had actually made a major error yesterday so my read of the game was off. So I am actually back prodding and pocking and rereading. Hopefully though even an error may turn around to prove to be an effective tool. But I need new content first.

problem is if I spend another day sitting back and reading this game will go nowhere so I am mostly poking at those who are currently active and leaving questions for those who are not.

Which reminds me

@Highhopes: Do you feel like you've caught up?




On a side note @Light sorry for getting your gender mixed up earlier, I got you mixed up with Sora in terms of gender identification below your avatar and defaulted to male

[HighHopes]

VOTE: Hebee

[Lycanfire]

can we take a moment to appreciate the fact we have two people that can't bother to put their votes down with people at L-4.

I am going to have to be unpopular and say he's town and I will oppose any move to lynch him today.

you can follow him to hell after flip.

[superbowl9]

VOTE: Hebee

Oooh, just what we needed. A naked vote on someone who has no votes and hasn't posted in two days while there are currently three wagons. I'm sure this will get things moving.

[SoraAdvent]

Gonna respond to a few things here before I post thoughts on kyndy and light hopefully within the next two/three days or so. In the mean time I'll respond to Bastion here.

@Sir Bastion: My case on Vedith was based on his lack of action despite his activity, like how he was arguing with me on kyndy without pushing a single scumread of his own, which led me to believe that he was playing rather in a rather reactionary way (which was supported by his other posts). Meanwhile, my case on NJAC was based on his 'buddying', so to speak, on Vedith, based on how he treats Vedith as town without too much explanation and his attackson those who treat Vedith as scum (primarily myself and superbowl). I wouldn't mind a defense of Vedith by any means, but the fact that he was so adamant on defending him without much explanation before the claim leads me to believe that something's definitely up.

Regardless, let's get to the topic of Hebee. While it could be because they're a hydra and need to confer with each other, I definitely think Hebee's coasting to a certain degree. This is because of relatively naked reasoning on most votes and a relative lack of activity, and also his flip-flopping on certain votes just screams insecurity. Still think NJAC's probably scummier until I hear his response but would be OK with a Hebee lynch today pending further reading on light and kyndy. If you need me to provide more reasoning I'll do a quick scan, but Hebee's not my top scumread right now.

[superbowl9]

@sora who are you not okay with lynching today?

[HighHopes]

VOTE: Hebee

Oooh, just what we needed. A naked vote on someone who has no votes and hasn't posted in two days while there are currently three wagons. I'm sure this will get things moving.

So you didn't bother on reading any of my other posts? I assume that's what you're insinuating with your ignorance here.

[superbowl9]

VOTE: Hebee

Oooh, just what we needed. A naked vote on someone who has no votes and hasn't posted in two days while there are currently three wagons. I'm sure this will get things moving.

So you didn't bother on reading any of my other posts? I assume that's what you're insinuating with your ignorance here.

What do your other posts have to do with a vote on someone without a wagon without reasoning while there are ongoing wagons? (btw the only thing I can find that even looks like it could possibly be a rationale as to why we should lynch hebi besides "obvscum" is this: "Hebee does more content. Nothing notable.") Sure you say you wanted to lynch hebi 3 posts ago, but I'm not sure why that makes my post ignorant, or my points invalid. Makes me wonder whether you understood my post. Need me to clarify?

[SoraAdvent]

@sora who are you not okay with lynching today?

Right now? In no particular order:

Superbowl9, Lycanfire, Vedith, HighHopes, Raskolnikov, shadowezz, Sir Bastion

Which leaves (again in no order except for NJAC)

NJAC, Hebee Inc, light_ganski, kyndy101

Obviously all this is subject to change especially as I reread kyndy so

[NJAC]

Why exactly aren't you ok with lynching HH?

[SoraAdvent]

Why exactly aren't you ok with lynching HH?

General contributions are good, seem to be actually concerned with pushing the game along in providing reads, makes a ton of sense. Even when reads aren't necessarily explained they help to generate discussion. Again, there are far scummier targets than HH right now.

Can you answer my question now: why do you want a lynch on HH? You seem to have implied it in your post. Also, when can you respond to my post suspecting you?

[Lycanfire]

i want to lynch everyone equally but some people are more equal than others

[light_ganski]

@light reads?

(reads are from strong > weak)

Town: Shaddowez, Sir Bastion, Raskolnikov, Sora, Superbowl
Neutral/Hard to read: Kyndy, Hebee
Scum: Lycanfire, NJAC, HighHopes

Confused: Vedith (tbh I've likely got tunnel vision here so stop me if you think I'm being stupid)

@light_ganski: humour me, what is the advantage of such a gambit?

If he thought he might be going down, pre-emptively claiming might get him out of a lynch as it would be more likely read as a poor town move than a scum move, and as scum know who's town it would allow him to ride to LyLo on faked innocent results. He would also be aware that town would be uneasy with lynching a claimed PR even if they were scumread.
I increasingly feel like I'm deep in a tunnel here though so stop me if I'm being stupid.

On a side note @Light sorry for getting your gender mixed up earlier, I got you mixed up with Sora in terms of gender identification below your avatar and defaulted to male

No worries, it's just an honest mistake

[light_ganski]

VOTE: Lycanfire

[shaddowez]

Neutral/Hard to read: Kyndy, Hebee

What changed your kyndy town read to neutral/hard to read?
If Hebee is hard to read, why is 396 the only time you mention them, instead of interacting and trying to form reads?

[superbowl9]

VOTE: Lycanfire

Okay with <5 days till deadline you should probably either be convincing us really well and really fast to wagon Lycan or just voting one of the people being wagoned that you most want to lynch (NJAC based on your 396 reads)