Micro 639: Noughts and Crosses Blitz [Game Over]

[Wingback]

@Dunnstral, here's a graph with all the win possibilities:



In your scenario, let's say they kill Lane after we lynch you. We lynch me or Luna. Say we lynch Luna, they are forced to kill Umlaut N2. D3, lynch me. If any combination of GuiltyLion, Java, and Alpaca are both scum, they win. Hmm, maybe it's not autowin. But lynching the IC isn't very likely to get us into auto-win scenarios either.

But you are suggesting that you want me and Luna dead and haven't even glanced at Java and Alpaca so from your POV, this argument doesn't really flow from where your head's at suspicion-wise.

It seems like you are just coming up with arguments to dodge your lynch but not any methods of getting rid of your scumreads. In the scenario where one or both of me and Luna are scum, lynching you is a pretty clear way to eliminate us but none of your plans are suggesting the obvious. It can't be because you know you are town. You'd go so far as to lynch the IC who you also know is town, but not yourself.

[Dunnstral]

I wantg java dead too tbh

No opinion on alpaca

I'd be willing to lynch in a way that luna/java joe both die

[Luna Fox]

Yeah wingback explained it better than me
Basically any non center kill, if they kill someone within the same row or column, lynch in the other (if they kill row lynch column and viceversa), if they lynch the opposite corner then the same trick but we choose.

[Wingback]

I'd be willing to lynch in a way that luna/java joe both die

I thought you wanted me and Luna to both die. What happened to that? Why are you scumreading Luna in the first place anyways?

[AlpacaAlpaca]

And if scum don't nightkill mcmenno?

That's an auto-loss of the Tic Tac Toe game. We'd only need to hit one scum in four lynches to win.

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As long as scum have their first nk as a corner pretty sure they can force a draw no matter what which basically leads me to think that we really need to consider more of who to lynch than tic tac toe strats since in the end it will most likely come down to amount of town v scum left and not who wins the game
UNVOTE:
I am pretty sure Luna and Wing are town so are guilty and mcmenno
@Dunn - Are you still for lynching mcmenno?

[AlpacaAlpaca]

Wait nevermind I am not good at tic tac toe nor did I fully process Wings picture ignore my tic tac to strats

[lane0168]

Umm, why the fuck would you put your second x on the side?

Pedit. Ok

[Ümläüt]

@Umlaut, can you explain why you were voting Luna and my slot? The only reason you gave was that my slot was far away from you that shows a very survivalistic mindset which is the same thing you are accusing Java of.

Yeah, that was pretty much it. I don't especially mind not being alive but I do know I'm town whereas I only think Lion and Lane are town.

I do think there's a difference between copping to a survivalistic vote made for lack of a better reason, and hiding it behind other reasons like Java did, which is why I'm so wary of his behavior.

VOTE: Luna Fox

This vote is as good as Dunn on general Tic-Tac-Toe merits while also being adjacent to Java. Admittedly forcing a Java kill would mean lynching Lake which is not so great, but since I'm townreading Lake and Wing about equally this isn't actually a reason to prefer Dunn.

[Ümläüt]

Wait, you also asked why I voted Luna before. It was because her 43 pinged me and she hadn't done anything that looked like gamesolving to me yet, making her somewhat scummier than the not-really-scummy-at-all Dunnstral.

[Luna Fox]

Wait, you also asked why I voted Luna before. It was because her 43 pinged me and she hadn't done anything that looked like gamesolving to me yet, making her somewhat scummier than the not-really-scummy-at-all Dunnstral.

So you're voting me now for this same reason or do you have a different reason now

[Ümläüt]

I don't have an updated read on you now, I'm voting you because you're standing next to Java.

[Luna Fox]

If that post pinged you what did you think of 46 and 48

[Javajoe24]

@Umlaut, can you explain why you were voting Luna and my slot? The only reason you gave was that my slot was far away from you that shows a very survivalistic mindset which is the same thing you are accusing Java of.

Yeah, that was pretty much it. I don't especially mind not being alive but I do know I'm town whereas I only think Lion and Lane are town.

I do think there's a difference between copping to a survivalistic vote made for lack of a better reason, and hiding it behind other reasons like Java did, which is why I'm so wary of his behavior.

VOTE: Luna Fox

This vote is as good as Dunn on general Tic-Tac-Toe merits while also being adjacent to Java. Admittedly forcing a Java kill would mean lynching Lake which is not so great, but since I'm townreading Lake and Wing about equally this isn't actually a reason to prefer Dunn.

How am I hiding behind my vote? I technically never even voted, but intended to before he got to L-1. And if I did vote, how would it have been "survivalistic"? I am in no danger of being killed.... so your accusation makes no sense to me.

[Javajoe24]

You want to vote Luna to get at me? Fine. I don't mind being killed, as long as we win.

[GuiltyLion]

I'm calling a Luna+Alpaca scumteam tbh. I'm drunk rn but I'll be back for actual play tomorrow

Also mod I unvoted Lane but it doesn't matter so here's another
UNVOTE:

[Wingback]

I am pretty sure Luna and Wing are town so are guilty and mcmenno

I find the exclusion of Lane conspicuous as he was a universal townread. Is there a reason you have reservations about him?

I'm calling a Luna+Alpaca scumteam tbh. I'm drunk rn but I'll be back for actual play tomorrow

When you are back, I'm interested in talking about the Luna scumread.

[Firebringer]

Tic Tac Toe Board

1	2	3
Wingback	GuiltyLion	Lane0168
AlpacaAlpaca	Mcmenno	Javajoe24
Dunnstral	Ümläüt	Luna Fox

Mcmenno is the Town Innocent Child

Vote Count 1.05

Ümläüt (L-5)
Luna Fox (L-3) Dunnstral, Ümläüt,
McMenno (L-5)
Dunnstral (L-2) lane0168, Luna Fox, McMenno,
Javajoe24 (L-5)
GuiltyLion (L-5)
Wingback (L-5)
AlpacaAlpaca (L-5)
lane0168 (L-5)

Not Voting (4): Javajoe24, Wingback, GuiltyLion, AlpacaAlpaca,


With 9 Alive, It takes 5 To Lynch

Day 1 Ends In (expired on 2016-08-22 18:00:00)

[Luna Fox]

I'm really starting to think that i shouldn't have started playing a non-casual MMORPG while simultanously trying to play a Blitz mafia game and... about 4 other mafia games. I'm now debating whether i should just rep out or just get mislynched =/

[lane0168]

You've got second most posts by far. What are you talking about and why are you feeling guilty?

[Luna Fox]

What are you talking about and why are you feeling guilty?

well i feel like im having more fun playing the MMORPG

[GuiltyLion]

When you are back, I'm interested in talking about the Luna scumread.

I am back

Basically I am scumreading Luna because I think she is trying to appear helpful and townie while not actually pushing anything that changes the gamestate. I also felt 57 was a scummy vote, the way she says "I'll trust your strategy" feels like a subtle way of deflecting blame.

Weirdly enough I am fine with a Dunnstral lynch even though I think he's more likely to be town than a few other players because I don't think the scumteam is java-Lane or java-Umlaut, both of which would be the only two teams (FMPOV) that have a clear path to win if we lynch Dunnstral (and java-umlaut would still have to work to secure an Alpaca mislynch). Lynching Luna today would basically guarantee Alpaca to survive until endgame so I don't want to go there.

[Dunnstral]

What are you talking about and why are you feeling guilty?

well i feel like im having more fun playing the MMORPG

What game

[Dunnstral]

@Dunn - Are you still for lynching mcmenno?

Probably not

VOTE: JavaJoe

[lane0168]

Holy shit, now you're trying to actually give away the game to scum via tic tac toe. Brilliant

[McMenno]

two more votes, folks