Micro 640: Perfect Cherry Blossom (Game Over)

[DarkLightA]

Yes I didn't realize masons and neighbors are different roles. My bad.

[Luna Fox]

Similar to beeboy I still want pie to explain, there was literally no explanation in her posts.

[DarkLightA]

UNVOTE:

It scares me that neither of you two are on vedith's wagon.

[DarkLightA]

@Edo why are you voting for vedith?

[Luna Fox]

And i dont want a "Oh since you 2 are masons then my point is moot and so im never going to explain it" kind of thing.

[DarkLightA]

also would not object to some more TNE in this game.
VOTE: thenewearth
I'll park here for the time being.

[Wisdom]

Why are you guys faking being masons

[DarkLightA]

What makes you doubt them?

[Wisdom]

I doubt theyd out D1 for no reason

[DarkLightA]

So you think they're scum?

[Wisdom]

Nah i think theyre faking it for lulz

Luna might be scum though

[DarkLightA]

Do you have any reason to think this?

[Wisdom]

Just what it feels like

[DarkLightA]

See, I don't think they would fake that. If they are it's a one stop shop onto my no play list

[Wisdom]

Eh

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 1.03

pieguyn (1):

beeboy

Wisdom (1):

Vedith

beeboy (1):

pieguyn

Vedith (3):

Edosurist, thenewearth, Wisdom

thenewearth (1):

DarkLightA

Not Voting:

Luna Fox, zMuffinMan

With

9

votes,

5

votes to lynch

The deadline is in (expired on 2016-09-01 22:43:43).

[Vedith]

I'll catch up tomorrow

[thenewearth]

I actually got prodded on a GiF game holy shit

[Edosurist]

Hi guys, will post later

[pieguyn]

I am sorry about dicking around earlier I genuinely feel bad right now. I would love to respond to your post in a more game progressing manner but the only reason I think you are reading me as scum based on what you have posted is that I rubbed you the wrong the way which I feel bad about but I don't feel compelled to explicitly tell you the contents of my role pm as a result when I think the ambiguity would be good for Luna and I.

my problem with you is that you're a player who, as scum, finds it difficult to fake reasonable reads/thought processes, and as such, when you're scum, your reads can often end up being completely ridiculous. there are points when you can do OK at it, but in my experience with you whenever you're scum you rely on people town reading you for "genuineness" or "newbtown" and ignoring what the reasoning behind your reads actually is, and as such at some point or another you can't keep up faking good reads, but to the contrary, if you're making actual good points that are reasonable I take it as a pretty good sign that you're town (which is how I got the early read on you I had in magical girl game).

now let's apply this to your play here... so far, all you've done has been shit-posting. even outside of the fact that your initial argument against me wasn't serious, your only scum read has been me, because of the way you were shit-posting and my reaction to it, which is a really poor reason that has no depth to it. you haven't done any scum hunting or attempted to form any scum reads outside of this.

your two town reads were DLA for gut and Edos for "being the first person who tried to do things this game", which while there isn't anything glaringly bad about it, both of these town reads are really easy and again have no depth to them, which doesn't give me any reason to question my assessment of the rest of your posts.

so, in general, I'm seeing your "fake claim mason and shitpost the entire game" approach here as something you'd do as scum as a crutch to generate reasonable-sounding content, and I don't think you're forming reads in a compelling way like you do when you're town. hence why if you're town I want you to quit playing like this and actually play the game seriously.

[pieguyn]

I have no patience for this: Luna and bee, are you masons?

Yes

also: the problem with this is that after early game where you fucked around and called a post that wasn't serious serious, I have absolutely no reason to believe that you're seriously claiming this.

I don't give a fuck if you think it's somehow advantageous to "keep it ambiguous" for whatever reason. you need to either make it 100% explicit, in a way where there's absolutely no doubt about it and you can't go back later and claim "lel I was joking", or step the fuck back and retract it immediately, and if you don't do this I'll lynch you.

[beeboy]

DLA I am not a mason with Luna btw just so you can scum hunt normally.

I will reply to you in the morning Pie.

[beeboy]

Actually before I go to sleep, Pie what scum games of mine have you read? I can only think of borderlands Mafia which idk if that counts for anything considering it was secret bastard and multiball.

[pieguyn]

Take wisdom; vedith has been voting wisdom the entire game, ever since his RVS/"Serious" vote in his first post. Since then it's developed into his main read with no major competition bar me. However, he explains his vote as being based in the more recent fake-hammer. To me this seems opportunistic, like he's looking for scummy behavior to justify his vote rather than scum.

I don't think this is a good reason for scum reading him; it's a fairly common thing to place an RVS vote and then start seriously scum reading that person later.

Read through his posts there, 66-97, there's nothing to change his opinion? Is he threatening to vote me because of 96? That's a weak reason if I ever heard one.

I did this, and this was my interpretation of it: after 66, Edos and you voted him. he came back in 86, noticed the wagon on him, noticed Wisdom asking to hammer him, and interacted with Wisdom first. after he was done with that, he went back in 95 and responded to your 78. I don't see anything incongruous here.

I don't see anything incongruous in his treatment of you in 97 either. he sees himself being wagoned, he thinks there could be scum on it, he sees your vote on him, he tries to engage you on it and then you shut him off and claim you're not interested in discussing your vote with him. I don't think it's unreasonable that he would see this as malicious. have you never had games where you've been wagoned for what you feel are bullshit reasons and wanted to scum hunt off the wagon, cut through it all, force everyone on the wagon into explaining themselves so you can clear up why it's wrong?

[pieguyn]

Actually before I go to sleep, Pie what scum games of mine have you read? I can only think of borderlands Mafia which idk if that counts for anything considering it was secret bastard and multiball.

Errant's rap battle game where I was in a hydra with bork and you were scum, and an osu! game where I ignored the fact that the arguments you were making were bad and town read you anyway for the exact basis I mentioned in that post (don't recall the name of the game).