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@maria why do you want to lynch Gerry over Zap?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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its not really that hard to understand what I'm asking.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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okOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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In post 2658, Nero Cain wrote:also you are a universal town read, why do you think you are still alive?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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only flaw is that I didn't know Elyse was a PR.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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and no one died last night but I guess you are sticking to the ridiculous notion that I no killed so my buddy Maria can go into a near unwinable LYLO vs. two "confirmed town" or a you/"conf" town.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Gut says scum are Zap and Gerry
head says scum are Sable and Gerry
Tinfoil says scum are Sable and Zap
I'm trusting my gut my no lynch is the correct play, most likely.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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lol Ira won't die b/c Gerry and Zap need himOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I mean Elyse was fucking town reading AND I no no clue about her being a PR but I'd kill her over those that were scumreading me?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Where is your vote on me?In post 2673, gerryoat wrote:
Ah, yes. fosing the clears.In post 2669, Nero Cain wrote:Gut says scum are Zap and Gerry
head says scum are Sable and Gerry
Tinfoil says scum are Sable and Zap
I'm trusting my gut my no lynch is the correct play, most likely.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Gerry, can we get some links to old games you've played?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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you've said that you are not knew to forum mafia or mafia...you have something somewhere unless you are alt hiding.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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has Gerry ever talked about being suspicious of Ira before? I don't remember it.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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links plox.In post 2692, gerryoat wrote:
on epicmafia.com. it's a chat mafia site. and they have forum mafia games sparinglyIn post 2689, Nero Cain wrote:you've said that you are not knew to forum mafia or mafia...you have something somewhere unless you are alt hiding.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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^In post 2695, MariaR wrote:
you shouldn't be for town reading the shit show gerry has given when you can't out a single fucking reason why you townread him or won't talk about any of the points we bring up against him the fact you choose to ignore any point brought up by someone you scumread will be what loses this gameIn post 2690, iraonavp wrote:
I am, indeed, comfortable in my competence.In post 2678, MariaR wrote:is there a mentoring program I can sign Ira up for Y/N?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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ok, i'd like a link from your town game from that site tooIn post 2702, gerryoat wrote:this is a game of me making town my bitch as mafia, if you wanna compare my town game to my scum game.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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no one has been tunneling on you for "weird reads". If anything, Maria and I have been tunneling on you for tunneling BYF the whole game and then OMGUS scum "reading" me.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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agreed but there's still a ton of scum motivation in doing nothing for days. Like, OMGUS is scummy b/c mafia can OMGUS just like town can OMGUS so I think that sometimes scum will NOT sorta spread their reads out so they have less chance of getting scum read. You know?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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doing nothing to not be OMGUSed and playing it safe as mafia are not really that different.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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So far Gerry is getting owned in the scum game he linked.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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meh. I'm done. I blocked Maria last night. I targeted her b/c she was the ONLY resistance to my lynch so I figured that if she's not mafia she'll be killed.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Ripple and Mist are scumreading you thus far.In post 2727, gerryoat wrote:
how did i get owned in that game when i won the game there? lolIn post 2723, Nero Cain wrote:So far Gerry is getting owned in the scum game he linked.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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so Maria was scum.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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makes sense, you were kinda all over the place with your reads and you kinda seemed to lynch anyone.
So Zap/Maria team?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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just tell me I was right about Ira pls?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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i think its Zap/mariaOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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but Maria won and you didn'tOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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What did ya'll have?In post 2744, MariaR wrote:Also how the fuck is this set up even closed to balanced with 4 town pr's that are op as fuck and can clear to mafia goons???Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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So it was a Gerry/Maria team?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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wow that's insane. How the fuck did town lose this?In post 2749, MariaR wrote:
just the traitor that's itIn post 2748, Nero Cain wrote:
What did ya'll have?In post 2744, MariaR wrote:Also how the fuck is this set up even closed to balanced with 4 town pr's that are op as fuck and can clear to mafia goons???Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Ira was a secret scum memberOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Like I wasn't completely sold on Maria as town b/c she kept kinda lynching whatever was popular but Zap coming in today and "oh its lylo, I'm not going to try hard" was p scummy so I thought it was a Gerry/Zap team.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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you guys did pretty well though. Gerry was kinda obvious but that fake newb tell threw everyone off.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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inb4 there's a gov that saves me and we power lynch Maria and GerryOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Gerry, was it your idea for the fake newb tell?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I bet DW's in the dead thread fussing about me leading a lynch on him. So many players were tunneling all town this game :/Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Without that fake newb tell Gerry would have been lynched. I have no clue wtf DW was doing this game. Ditto Ira.In post 2769, MariaR wrote:I don't think we were under fire for quite a bit but we got lucky and people voted you before meOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Gerry, I think your play was rather poor and like I said, i think you would have been lynched if you didn't fake that newb tell. Ira and Zap mainly carried the scum team, you should thank them.
I don't mind CR being salty about me catching him.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Also Elyse's reads were shit, didn't she tunnel town the whole game? I'm not sure why CR thinks she played well.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I mean you played better than Ira and DW and Zap but you still tunneled town the whole game so I'm not sure why he thought your play was good.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I also agree that this game was townsided. Like if town won the mafia would be completely justified in moaning about the set up.
Feel kinda bad about lynching DW but that lulzy tunneling on tunneling on a near confirmed town was kinda balls.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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yeah, all 3* of my targets were on scum
*I had misread my pm and thought I was a full JK so night 2 I sent in a block on GerryOf all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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oh I know I'm good. Like I recognized that both Ross and Map were mislynches and had correct scumreads on 2/3 mafia.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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Its not towns job to convince others they are town, its towns job to find scum which is what I did on d2.In post 2808, MichelSableheart wrote:If I look at your play during day 3 and day 4, I find it difficult to tell where exactly you tried to convince me of you being town.
Like can you really blame me for suspecting DW? He was lulz tunneling two townies and ya I led a lynch on him. D4 I was scumreading obvious scum Gerry and fell into the trap of lynching lynchbait BYF.
The question I asked you was brushed away, you came up with "this game is solved, vote Gerry" rather then interacting with my analysis
but at the same time expecting town to know why X happened is a somewhat silly question but yes I did answer.In post 2225, Nero Cain wrote:
Who knows. I mean Ira was stinking up the thread and basically calling everyone that attacked him scum, so maybe they feared being called and getting tunneled.In post 2223, MichelSableheart wrote:Nero, let's assume you're town for a moment. in that case, there were no normal mafiosi on that Ira wagon. What do you think is the reason for this?
I wanted day to go longer than it had the previous day and I didn't see a reason to out it immediately.you hadn't posted your jailkeeptarget yet when I voted you day 4. It might be a good idea to try to work together with your fellow townplayers more.
I was still the closest to solving the game and my J/K targets were on point. Maybe instead of me working with town the town should have tried to work with me?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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In any balanced or semi balanced game the VTs will always beatleast50% of the town. Scum are about 33%?
9 out of 10 times it'll be 3 scum in a 13 player.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I do think that 4 scum in a mini is whack though it happens from time to time.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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you know whats funny? My answer was a perfectly logical answer. Scum didn't join the Ira wagon b/c they didn't want to get OMGUS scum read by Ira. I know that atleeast Gerry thought that Ira was the traitor but its not like I would have known that. Idk why Maria didn't join.
Stop trying to blame me for your bad play.Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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I mean your "scum read" was basically "OMG WHY DON'T YOU KNOW WHY THERE WAS NO TEAMSCUM ON IRA!"
I think scum not wanting to vote Ira b/c he was OMGUS everone that thought he was scum is a perfectly valid thought. Obviously you disagree.
And then it was "omg we can't have a jailkeeper with these other roles!" Yet post game now you are saying that it made sense, WTF?Of all tyrannies,a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
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