Mini Normal 1814 Machiavellian Mafia (Game Over)

Nero Cain · Post Post #11 (isolation #0) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:53 am

In post 4, Map Wolf wrote:VOTE: Nero Cain because his name (Nero) is the same as my cat.

you named your cat after me?!? I'm not sure whether to be flattered or creeped out.

vote:DW

for pre-emptivly lurking

Nero Cain · Post Post #12 (isolation #1) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 2:54 am

also could the mods use a darker color plox.

Nero Cain · Post Post #14 (isolation #2) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 3:33 am

OMGUS!

Nero Cain · Post Post #46 (isolation #3) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:21 am

other than Maria being an alt and lying about this being her second game I don't see a slip.

Also I'm down to lynch DW

Nero Cain · Post Post #47 (isolation #4) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:27 am

In post 25, Skold wrote:
In post 12, Nero Cain wrote:also could the mods use a darker color plox.
What board colour do you use? I've been using mafBlack since I've started and only just started messing around with it.

the light blue one. I don't like using mafiablac 'cause it makes dark text hard to read and really light text is hard to read on this one. So dark text on this seems like the most logical conclusion to me.

Nero Cain · Post Post #51 (isolation #5) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:31 am

She has one game on THIS account. I'm saying that if she is an alt she'd thus be lying about it being her second game and thats the only possible slip I could see.

Do try to keep up.

Nero Cain · Post Post #54 (isolation #6) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:41 am

we already know it

Nero Cain · Post Post #56 (isolation #7) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:46 am

Nero Cain · Post Post #58 (isolation #8) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:50 am

DW is the only noob here

Nero Cain · Post Post #61 (isolation #9) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:53 am

In post 59, Rosske wrote:
In post 42, Dwlee99 wrote:no srsly I have a day cop guilty on elyse
I believe it

VOTE: Elyse

What makes it believable?

Nero Cain · Post Post #64 (isolation #10) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:00 am

DW is scum

DW is scum

there now sheep me.

Nero Cain · Post Post #66 (isolation #11) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:01 am

Nero Cain · Post Post #71 (isolation #12) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:10 am

In post 69, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 58, Nero Cain wrote:DW is the only noob here
I have like 40+ games played fam

Never said you were a newb...

Elyse, if you think he is lying why are you not voting him?

Nero Cain · Post Post #74 (isolation #13) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:17 am

please quote the post where I accuse DW of lying.

Nero Cain · Post Post #84 (isolation #14) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:36 am

In post 82, Elyse wrote:I don't see how a townie would think voting me is a good idea at this point.

Depends on who the townie is

Nero Cain · Post Post #89 (isolation #15) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:39 am

you know all this could be avoided by just policy lynching DW

Nero Cain · Post Post #98 (isolation #16) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:44 am

In post 91, Elyse wrote:Do you actually think scumDwlee would do this?

I think his bussing you is a possibility.

Black/wolf are the scummiest though.

Nero Cain · Post Post #100 (isolation #17) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:45 am

vote:wolf

since I am not joking

Nero Cain · Post Post #103 (isolation #18) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:48 am

I agree what do you think of Wolf?

Nero Cain · Post Post #109 (isolation #19) » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:51 am

Elyse you weren't at l-1 btw but yeah Wolf is scummy

Nero Cain · Post Post #340 (isolation #20) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:04 am

In post 136, Zap Rowsdower wrote:Hm....I can see that being true with your posting. That or it's some grade A bullshit.

Does sitting on that fence hurt?

Nero Cain · Post Post #341 (isolation #21) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:15 am

I kinda hate to be

that

guy but

In post 90, BlackStar wrote:The reaction test was a success. Elyse probably isn't scum

is absolutely terrible ok? but I've played with Black before and he saying the most mindnumbing dumb things ever. I mean I'm not going to hard TR for it but it makes me less gungho about wanting to lynch that.

I like the wolf wagon but I want to see what he has to say now.

Rosske feels like scum thats justgoing with the flow.

Nero Cain · Post Post #349 (isolation #22) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 5:10 am

In post 344, Rosske wrote:its funny that Map Wolf hasn't posted since his unvote.....looks like scum who messed up and now is laying low hoping it all will go away

you know who else looks like scum? you

Nero Cain · Post Post #364 (isolation #23) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:20 am

vote:map

Nero Cain · Post Post #367 (isolation #24) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:50 am

In post 366, Rosske wrote:
In post 364, Nero Cain wrote:
vote:map
you just hammered

yes and?

Nero Cain · Post Post #370 (isolation #25) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 12:13 pm

yes and?

Nero Cain · Post Post #376 (isolation #26) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:07 pm

In post 369, gerryoat wrote:Wait did you seriously just hammer before asking for a claim??

In post 366, Rosske wrote:
In post 364, Nero Cain wrote:
vote:map
you just hammered

half of me wants to lynch these IIOA posts. The other half says I should maybe cut them some slack since they are new.

I'd also like to point out that there is a difference between newb and noob. Newb is just a new player noob is a bad player.

Nero Cain · Post Post #377 (isolation #27) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:10 pm

In post 357, Comparing Realities wrote:
In post 355, gerryoat wrote:Interested to see Comparing Realities 'first' post.
SHUT UP

Why are you so annoyed here?

Nero Cain · Post Post #381 (isolation #28) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:15 pm

In post 378, iraonavp wrote:I think he is annoyed because he just made his post and saw gerryoat post that before he published it.

there a reason you are commenting on this?

Nero Cain · Post Post #418 (isolation #29) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:29 pm

In post 408, Elyse wrote:I wouldn't be so quick to call Nero town.

"lets keep Nero as a possible mislynch!"

In post 412, iraonavp wrote:Well, I think that Nero Cain is suspicious and being deliberately and unnecessarily abrasive to
appear town-aligned
.

I've always felt like statements like these are stupid but anyways what makes you think I'm not being genuine?

CR are you scumreading Map or what?

Nero Cain · Post Post #419 (isolation #30) » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:58 pm

In post 392, MariaR wrote:I don't think that's it I think he found it scummy because you asked such a filler/not needed question Why did you hammer: Because he thinks map is scum it's a very easy thing to put together

What I was saying is that I sorta dislike how both Gerry and Rosske were fussing about my "hammer" but there was no indication of what they thought it meant. Which is why I kept saying "yes and?"

Nero Cain · Post Post #420 (isolation #31) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:23 am

vote: Rosske

Nero Cain · Post Post #427 (isolation #32) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:08 am

I think I'm just mostly paranoid that MAP is a mislynch 'cause there's been seemingly little resistance to his wagon.

59 gave me a strange vibe.

Didn't really like his "don't give DW a townread!" from 119 and 121.

334 is the kind of pressure point statement that I think scum like to make.

I'm not sure

WHY

he's scum reading Map and his Map scumread/intent to hammer feels kinda like going with the flow. He also had no reaction to me calling him scum and I think scum are more likely to avoid those type of accusations.

Sometimes I wonder if Map actually is scum and that "Rosske sounds like he could be my scummate" to throw us off.

But I'd like to hear why you and Elyse think I should town read him.

Nero Cain · Post Post #431 (isolation #33) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:26 am

Zap is prop scum for that avatar

Nero Cain · Post Post #485 (isolation #34) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:06 am

In post 458, Dwlee99 wrote:rosske wagon is the best wagon

Why?

Nero Cain · Post Post #488 (isolation #35) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:10 am

hey Ira, lets talk about this fake as shit scum read on me.

Nero Cain · Post Post #502 (isolation #36) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:24 am

In post 496, Zap Rowsdower wrote:It's really not always a good thing to use the full day for a couple reasons. One is that town can overthink things and let scum push them in the wrong direction. Another is that it can just wear town down and make them less good at scumhunting.

So you think Yoshi should go ahead and hammer?

In post 501, iraonavp wrote:
In post 485, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 458, Dwlee99 wrote:rosske wagon is the best wagon
Why?
You're on the wagon... Why would you even ask this?

I don't know why DW wasn't even voting ross

I wonder if Ira is scum that knows ross will flip town....

Nero Cain · Post Post #512 (isolation #37) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:34 am

In post 503, iraonavp wrote:This seems like a scum-aligned thought process, because "wagon resistance" is usually scum-aligned logic to throw shade onto the wagon.

yeah....no

In post 505, iraonavp wrote:This makes literally no sense coming from a town-aligned player on the wagon. I think Rosske could be town-aligned, you are trying to portray me as knowing that he will flip town-aligned while you are voting him, that's incredibly scum-aligned.

you have him (ross) as null yet you you also said that "he could be scum by POE" and that you have a slight town read on him. This is pretty much hedging. Its also interesting that your 3 scum reads are all on this wagon so it looks like a preemptive "blame the wagoners" but if you REALLY believed me and DW and Elyse are scum why do you not have a stronger town read?

Nero Cain · Post Post #513 (isolation #38) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:36 am

Zap are you scum reading me?

Nero Cain · Post Post #516 (isolation #39) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:41 am

In post 503, iraonavp wrote:This seems like a scum-aligned thought process, because "wagon resistance" is usually scum-aligned logic to throw shade onto the wagon.

Do you have any examples of this?

Nero Cain · Post Post #519 (isolation #40) » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:50 am

So you have no examples but you just some how know this is scum logic? Yea

I'm

the one that's making up shit to accuse you with.

I think you are incredibly fake yes.

Nero Cain · Post Post #577 (isolation #41) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 12:12 pm

vote:Ira

let DW bus his buddy ok?

CR is also scum but that's our little secret so don't tell him I said that k?

Nero Cain · Post Post #655 (isolation #42) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:22 am

In post 578, Dwlee99 wrote:why do you think I am bussing and not just right and pushing scum

You have a history of bussing. If Ira flips scum why should I ignore that? I also may or may not be paranoid that you voted Rosske without scumreading him.

In post 607, iraonavp wrote:I think it's suspicious how Rosske vaguely softed PR.

Rosske, are you PR or not? If you don't give a straight answer, I will vote you.

TBF Black, he's asking him to clarify if he's (rosske) is a PR. Its dumb and kinda rolefishing but its not the wanting him to claim his role you think it is.

Also "PR" depends on the context. It can stand for power role, post restriction, protective role and maybe some others I can't think of off the top of my head.

As for setup speculation...I always assume mods aren't derps and the game is balanced and thus the game is 50%=1 VTs. And 3 scum is a 13 is the most common but 4 have been know to exist. So I'd argue that there is atleast 3-4 prs in this setup.

Nero Cain · Post Post #656 (isolation #43) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 10:29 am

In post 655, Nero Cain wrote:As for setup speculation...I always assume mods aren't derps and the game is balanced and thus the game is 50%+1-2 VTs. And 3 scum in a 13 is the most common but 4 have been know to exist. So I'd argue that there is atleast 3-4 prs in this setup.

fixed

also follow up

3 scum=6 or 7 VTs=3-4 prs so 6vt=4pr, 7vt=3pr, 8vt=2pr etc

Nero Cain · Post Post #663 (isolation #44) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:13 pm

In post 660, MariaR wrote:Please someone read Iraon's iso and tell me how you can say "hm I think mafia is typing that"

Is this a too dumb to be scum argument? I think really idiotic posting is going to come from both alignments so....What has really made you lean town on him?

DW is OMGUSing me how cute.

Nero Cain · Post Post #666 (isolation #45) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 1:58 pm

In post 664, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't think you or ira are both town or both scum.

explain

Nero Cain · Post Post #669 (isolation #46) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:12 pm

that's totes junk bro. I'm good but using BOP against me is fucking stupid and pitting a me vs. ira and someone has to be right is totes scum motivation/chain lynching.

Nero Cain · Post Post #672 (isolation #47) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 2:33 pm

Nero Cain · Post Post #673 (isolation #48) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:12 pm

vote:DW

We should be doing this 'cause there is like no town motivation in his 668.

In post 501, iraonavp wrote:
In post 485, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 458, Dwlee99 wrote:rosske wagon is the best wagon
Why?
You're on the wagon... Why would you even ask this?

In post 503, iraonavp wrote:This seems like a scum-aligned thought process, because "wagon resistance" is usually scum-aligned logic to throw shade onto the wagon.

These two posts are mainly why I am scumreading Ira.

DW jumped on the Rosske wagon 'cause ???? And I asked him why. 501 could be Ira light defending DW here.

Wagon speed/wagon resistance is usually a decent indication of a whether a wagon is on town or scum. And its something that I've used plenty in the past. I have NEVER EVER EVER seen scum go "oh this wagon is going fast so it must be a mislynch!" and it was pretty scummy and lame how he couldn't back up his argument.

BUT WAIT THERE'S MORE

I was

NOT

the only one to question the wagon speed/lack of resistance on Map. So Ira using it as a scumtell for me but not the others is scummy.

I also just got the general vibe that Ira was scum whining about that mislynch opportunity gone away.

What I can't tell is if DW is pitting me against IRA to try to get me to back off him or if he's pitting us against each other 'cause he knows its a TvT and he's setting up a chain lynch.

But anyways

Scum are in DW, Ira, Yoshi and CR.

Nero Cain · Post Post #676 (isolation #49) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:24 pm

In post 675, No Retreat wrote:DAT BACKPEDLING!

Nero Cain · Post Post #681 (isolation #50) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:32 pm

chain lynching is lynching people back to back. No Retreat is my alt that I accidentally posted here with.

Nero Cain · Post Post #683 (isolation #51) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:35 pm

In post 668, Dwlee99 wrote:I think one of you has to be right here. Like you as town should be right about this (especially since I share your read) and iraonpvp seems fairly certain in his read.

In post 674, Dwlee99 wrote:It isnt like I will be able to say "nero flipped town ira is definitely scum!!" or vice versa

These two statements contradict. Your 668 deff says that I have to be town and right on Ira but if I'm wrong on Ira then Ira is right.

that is a completely different argument than "Oh I could see Nero pushing a mislynch on Ira so if Ira flips town then it means Nero is scum."

Nero Cain · Post Post #686 (isolation #52) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:38 pm

DW, what do you like about Ira's case on me?

Maria, why do you think town would EVER go "one of you HAS to be right on the other (and if you are wrong you are scum)."

Nero Cain · Post Post #688 (isolation #53) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:40 pm

In post 685, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 683, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 668, Dwlee99 wrote:I think one of you has to be right here. Like you as town should be right about this (especially since I share your read) and iraonpvp seems fairly certain in his read.

In post 674, Dwlee99 wrote:It isnt like I will be able to say "nero flipped town ira is definitely scum!!" or vice versa
These two statements contradict. Your 668 deff says that I have to be town and right on Ira but if I'm wrong on Ira then Ira is right.

that is a completely different argument than "Oh I could see Nero pushing a mislynch on Ira so if Ira flips town then it means Nero is scum."
are you gonna argue over semantics right now. It is pretty clear that I never thought you were definitely scum if ira flips town or vice versa. Key word: Definitely.

ok, So your argument that one of us had to be right about the other was ??? 'cause I honestly see no other explanation but pitting one against the other.

Nero Cain · Post Post #694 (isolation #54) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:46 pm

In post 690, iraonavp wrote:Dwlee never said that.

In post 668, Dwlee99 wrote:I think one of you has to be right here.

one

has

to be right

Nero Cain · Post Post #696 (isolation #55) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:47 pm

Why do you think I'm teamed with Ira?

Nero Cain · Post Post #698 (isolation #56) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:47 pm

oh AREN'T, nm.

Nero Cain · Post Post #702 (isolation #57) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:50 pm

In post 691, MariaR wrote:I think Nero took the post as Dw saying it HAS to be scum but DW meant it as it Nero could be scum who caused the lynch am I right?

that's nearly as bad and maybe even worse. Like lets say we go ahead and lynch Ira and he flips town, why in the world would a town DW blame

OTHERS

for the lynch?

Nero Cain · Post Post #704 (isolation #58) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:52 pm

hit the preview button before you post

Nero Cain · Post Post #707 (isolation #59) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 3:55 pm

then I still don't really get what you were trying to say.

Nero Cain · Post Post #711 (isolation #60) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:01 pm

In post 705, iraonavp wrote:I only said your post was scum-aligned because of the way you said it, not what you said.

yeah, I don't think you said that.

In post 708, MariaR wrote:"I think __ is scum and tried to push as towards that lynch...I guess that kinda is blame or more so "look at this!"

I still don't really agree though.

Nero Cain · Post Post #715 (isolation #61) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:07 pm

In post 710, iraonavp wrote:Also, it's impossible to see you immediately leap onto Dwlee for that if you also think I am scum-aligned. You just took a single post to jump onto a different wagon, a wagon that has better implications for you.

This is a scum-aligned tell equivalent to accusing someone before the flip because you already know what the flip is. It would make some sense to accuse Dwlee of trying to chain lynches on day 2 if I was lynched and flipped town. You are using this argument early because you know that I'm town-aligned.

Says the guy that just lied about why he was scum reading me and can't back up his accusations. I don't see a town DW pitting me against you, my feelings towards you are irrelevant.

Nero Cain · Post Post #716 (isolation #62) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:08 pm

In post 713, iraonavp wrote:This is so terrible because literally NeroCain's entire argument, the reason he is currently voting Dwlee is based on the fact that I am town-aligned,

this is also untrue but maybe if you keep up the lies someone will believe you.

Nero Cain · Post Post #719 (isolation #63) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:15 pm

In post 670, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 669, Nero Cain wrote:that's totes junk bro. I'm good but using BOP against me is fucking stupid and pitting a me vs. ira and someone has to be right is totes scum motivation/chain lynching.
"totes," are you kidding me? (Triggered)

What is this?

Nero Cain · Post Post #721 (isolation #64) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 4:23 pm

triggered?

Nero Cain · Post Post #739 (isolation #65) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:29 am

While you are here Maria, would you be so kind as to explain why you have downgraded your read on me?

Nero Cain · Post Post #741 (isolation #66) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:39 am

In post 740, MariaR wrote:pre mature face tell reads

???

Nero Cain · Post Post #743 (isolation #67) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:47 am

So what has Ira done that's been so towny? Or is this basicly a "I don't think scum would play like that"?

Nero Cain · Post Post #745 (isolation #68) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 10:54 am

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=65320 is his last scum game, other than being a lurksack I'm not seeing much diffrence.

Nero Cain · Post Post #746 (isolation #69) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:04 am

vote:Ira

Nero Cain · Post Post #755 (isolation #70) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:28 pm

I don't think you can really argue that there's resistance to the (Map) wagon when the reason that myself and I guess others left is 'cause there

WASN'T

any resistance to his wagon. If you are looking for wagon resistance: ira.

Nero Cain · Post Post #757 (isolation #71) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:59 pm

that's super convoluted.

Map wagon gets abandoned due to lack of resistance

"oh but 'cause everyone abandoned it 'cause it looked like a mislynch that means there's actually resistance to it."

LIKE WHAT?!?

Nero Cain · Post Post #770 (isolation #72) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:20 am

In post 758, Elyse wrote:There's also the fact that early D1 wagons like Map's happen in pretty much every game and he was in no actual danger of being lynched

yeah bullshit.

In post 759, iraonavp wrote:You didn't even check the game properly or you would have seen that I replaced in, your approach was shallow.

So your point is ???? That you weren't a lurk sack and thus playing that game like this game?

@gerry what are your reads on Ira and Map?

Nero Cain · Post Post #772 (isolation #73) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:43 am

bro was at l-1, and there was talk of hammering him. This is not one of those silly RVS wagons that seemingly pop up every game. Your instance that the Map wagon was not serious is kinda lame. Weee I'm playing right into scumIra's hand and scum reading Elyse.

Here's an idea. Scum are Ira, Elyse and Maria.

Elyse fake claims a guilty on her scum buddy Maria and when Ira gets ran up Elyse tries to restart the Map wagon with bullshit reasoning that A.) his wagon wasn't serious and B.) once everyone abandons his wagon early due to lack of resistance she's uses this to

PROVE

there was actually wagon resistance.

Meanwhile, knowing that I'd call Elyse out on her bullshit Ira uses it as a reason to call me and Elyse a scum team knowing that Elyse will flip scum.

but then again I still hate CR and DW so hrmmmm....

Nero Cain · Post Post #774 (isolation #74) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:51 am

this wagon was serious>>>someone threatens to hammer>>>oh he wasn't getting lynched

like what?

Nero Cain · Post Post #776 (isolation #75) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 5:27 am

then we are just going in circles. I know that I jumped off 'cause I was worried about the lack of resistance after Gerry sorta kinda claimed intent. So yes, I think the wagon was serious and if I had no expressed concerns he prob would have been lynched. Maybe thats my ego and assuming that I'm being a focal point for things but I think using what

ACTUALLY

happened in the thread is a much better indication of what would have happened versus using some hypotheticals.

But you are claiming that his early lack of resistance and folks jumping off

PROVES

there was resistance which frankly I think is BS. And why now? Why did you not say "Stop getting off Mat. This proves the wagon has resistance."? Does this mean you are scum with Ira? Is Ira town and you are defending him for town cred? Or maybe you just want him alive to continue to tunnel on me. Maybe its the TvT DW is setting it up as and I'm just having a hard time seeing past his shoddy play.

I have half a mind to just lynch Matt and get it over with but I have a pretty hard time telling the difference between low hanging fruit and minimal posting scum.

But also we live in a post tiger world filled with trolls and sub-optimal town play.

Nero Cain · Post Post #795 (isolation #76) » Mon Jul 25, 2016 4:36 pm

In post 777, Map Wolf wrote:and i agree with his cases on some players.

What do you agree with, what do you not agree with?

Nero Cain · Post Post #800 (isolation #77) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 3:26 am

Maria, Elyse if Ira flips scum and assuming no viable night actions...who do you want dead and why?

Nero Cain · Post Post #818 (isolation #78) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 11:37 am

well she's prob scum with Ira unless we are all buying into the "Elyse is defending him for town cred" I'll do a longer post later.

Nero Cain · Post Post #833 (isolation #79) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:50 pm

awesome, wanna vote Elyse then?

Nero Cain · Post Post #837 (isolation #80) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 5:52 pm

oh nm you are.

I'm down for an Ira/Elyse

Nero Cain · Post Post #839 (isolation #81) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:14 pm

In post 811, Zap Rowsdower wrote:And what do you think of my "Elyse and ira don't seem like partners" post? See here.

I think it makes some sense.

My big hold up with Ira is that his "oh you are using wagon resistance to question the Map wagon but I'm A.( Not going to provide you with any examples and B.( I'm not going to apply this "scumtell" to any of the players that also questioned the lack of wagon resistance." I don't know whether its the scummiest thing I've ever heard or the stupidest.

I mainly scumread Elyse for the mental gymnastics she's using to keep the push up on Wolf.

And, despite Black, CR and Maria all claiming that I was misreading/misinterpreting

In post 668, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 666, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 664, Dwlee99 wrote:I don't think you or ira are both town or both scum.
explain

I think one of you has to be right here. Like you as town should be right about this (especially since I share your read) and iraonpvp seems fairly certain in his read.
I can see you both being scum in some weird way with you bussing awkwardly kinda but that doesn't seem likely.

I still strongly believe that DW is pitting me and Ira in this post.

Nero Cain · Post Post #840 (isolation #82) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:21 pm

In post 836, iraonavp wrote:Basically what Nero Cain does is try and accuse Elyse and then votes other people off the assumption of them being partners, both of them do this and there is unfounded confidence from both of them.

I was scumreading you long before Elyse and all of my votes (MP, Rosske, DW) had like shit all to do with them being buddies with anyone. And as much as I dislike Elyse its not like her crusade against Map has anything to do with anyone being buddies with anyone. Its like you are posting and commenting on the game but the game you are commenting on isn't the game being played.

Nero Cain · Post Post #842 (isolation #83) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:40 pm

I'm not doing Zap. We are doing Irascum.

I mean I voted Map earlier 'cause there were things I disliked but maybe I'm just mad tired but I just looked at it and I don't hate it. Give me a case without the lack of early wagon resistance=wagon resistance or whatever silly thing you were arguing.

Nero Cain · Post Post #844 (isolation #84) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:43 pm

all these pointed posts how could anyone think you are town?

Nero Cain · Post Post #846 (isolation #85) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 6:53 pm

you keep making these posts with the only intention being to

TRY

to incriminate me. Take your last post for instance. You are trying to claim that I'm negotiating. I'm not. I have no intention to let you live another second.

I mean look at your 843. You are posting things that make absolutely no sense within the context of the game.

Nero Cain · Post Post #848 (isolation #86) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:05 pm

My point is that you are commenting on things that are NOT happening in this game and its odd AF. AND you aren't defending yourself against the valid points I've raised against you.

Nero Cain · Post Post #850 (isolation #87) » Tue Jul 26, 2016 7:13 pm

Whats your towncase on Ira?

Nero Cain · Post Post #860 (isolation #88) » Wed Jul 27, 2016 11:05 am

In post 857, gerryoat wrote:
In post 850, Nero Cain wrote:Whats your towncase on Ira?
If you're talking to me, I have no town case on him. But, I also have no scum case on him. So I'd rather vote someone I think is scummy instead.

thats well and good but at some point you'll have to stop voting a vanity wagon and consolidate.

Nero Cain · Post Post #862 (isolation #89) » Wed Jul 27, 2016 2:07 pm

In post 856, Elyse wrote:I think Map's play is just terrible. He has no idea what he's doing. But that doesn't mean he's town.

that doesn't necessarily make him scum either.

I sorta feel like after the Map and Rosske wagons died we landed on scum and Elyse/Maria/Gerry won't bus their buddy.

Nero Cain · Post Post #868 (isolation #90) » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:00 pm

Like him coming in and making posts about things that haven't happened so he can look busy is town play.

Remind me, are you not voting Ira 'cause you think he's super duper town or that you just think Ma is scummier?

Nero Cain · Post Post #870 (isolation #91) » Wed Jul 27, 2016 4:26 pm

So you'd no lynch over an ira lynch?

Nero Cain · Post Post #881 (isolation #92) » Thu Jul 28, 2016 3:04 am

In post 878, iraonavp wrote:
In post 876, Rosske wrote:
In post 874, iraonavp wrote:
In post 850, Nero Cain wrote:Whats your towncase on Ira?
Meanwhile, NeroCain is just skirting the edges of the conversation and trying to mislynch me...

And this looks like buddies to me actually
Does this mean you think NeroCain is buddies with me?

Does this mean you can vote NeroCain together with me and Elyse?

Me asking Gerry why he thinks Ira is town (since I feel like that would be the only valid reason to not vote someone) and Rosske calling me a me+ira team is p stupid.

Nero Cain · Post Post #915 (isolation #93) » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:33 pm

In post 912, gerryoat wrote:It makes me wanna die of boredom. I swear we've been doing the same thing for like 5 days straight.

complains about there not being a lynch but is the reason we haven't had a lynch.

I understand if you had a big town read on IRA and said you didn't want to vote him but you don't so I'm not quite sure why you flat out refuse to do so.

Nero Cain · Post Post #917 (isolation #94) » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:40 pm

In post 909, Wake1 wrote:What's the case on iraonavp?

Ira has been posting nonsensical stuff in an attempt to look busy.

He's also being selective in his scumhunting He called me scum for questioning the Map wagon due to lack of resistance yet I'm the only one thats scummy for it even though like 4 or 5 people

AFTER

me also noticed the same lack of resistance.

As an added bonus: Elyse is playing mental gymnastics and is claiming that the lack of resistance to the Map wagon actully proves there was resistance to his wagon???

Nero Cain · Post Post #921 (isolation #95) » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:50 pm

I get it. I've understood for awhile now. I'm just saying that if you are going to complain about the day dragging when you've had a week to hammer Ira you forfeit your right to do so.

Also there is like a 0% BYF gets lynched today so you should be voting one of Map, Elyse or claiming intent on Ira.

Nero Cain · Post Post #929 (isolation #96) » Fri Jul 29, 2016 3:12 am

In post 925, iraonavp wrote:This is not something that a town-aligned player says about me if they think I am scum-aligned.

Soooo....apparently I can't recognize the reason that Gerry is not voting you and I'm scummy for thinking his reasons are crap?

Nero Cain · Post Post #951 (isolation #97) » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:17 am

In post 930, Comparing Realities wrote:-DW and Nero get in a meaningless two-page squabble because a poorly worded post from DW looked like he was calling Nero as scum regardless of the Ira flip.

I still don't really agree with this. FMPOV it deff looked like DW was setting up shop to push me if Ira flipped town.

In post 931, Comparing Realities wrote:gerryoat began the game with Ira as one of his biggest town reads

gerry is this true? If so why did you downgrade Ira?

In post 943, Wake1 wrote:For those wondering about the lack of activity, in general I dislike Day 1 because there's nothing concrete to work with; I observe interactions Day 1.

d1 is best day. So lurking out day1 is generally anti-town but I know you come from a site that encourages anti-town play so...

but I also didn't hate Skold so there's that. I've heard you lurk as scum so I think a meta dive is in order.

Nero Cain · Post Post #955 (isolation #98) » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:30 am

a site with Titus, House, and Celt ya you guys play anti-town.

Nero Cain · Post Post #962 (isolation #99) » Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:41 am

"Nero is insulting me and my friends. Wah wah wah."-Wake 2016

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:44 am

Maria explain how any of this stuff comes from town.

In post 840, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 836, iraonavp wrote:Basically what Nero Cain does is try and accuse Elyse and then votes other people off the assumption of them being partners, both of them do this and there is unfounded confidence from both of them.
I was scumreading you long before Elyse and all of my votes (MP, Rosske, DW) had like shit all to do with them being buddies with anyone. And as much as I dislike Elyse its not like her crusade against Map has anything to do with anyone being buddies with anyone. Its like you are posting and commenting on the game but the game you are commenting on isn't the game being played.

In post 925, iraonavp wrote:
In post 915, Nero Cain wrote:I understand if you had a big town read on IRA and said you didn't want to vote him but you don't so I'm not quite sure why you flat out refuse to do so.
This is not something that a town-aligned player says about me if they think I am scum-aligned.

In post 501, iraonavp wrote:
In post 485, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 458, Dwlee99 wrote:rosske wagon is the best wagon
Why?
You're on the wagon... Why would you even ask this?

In post 503, iraonavp wrote:This seems like a scum-aligned thought process, because "wagon resistance" is usually scum-aligned logic to throw shade onto the wagon.

Nero Cain · Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:55 am

oh yeah, that's another thing. Ira was trying to get Ross to hard confirm he was a pr thus rolefishing.

Nero Cain · Post Post #980 (isolation #102) » Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:01 pm

2 days 9 hours left I think.

Nero Cain · Post Post #986 (isolation #103) » Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:56 am

In post 982, iraonavp wrote:If I'm scum-aligned, I already know he's a PR.

no you don't. If you are scum you know that he's not on your team and most likely town. There was no reason for you as town to make SURE he was a pr. I think his pr claim was clear and if he were to backtrack later sure, then I could see you are me or someone making a big deal over it but there's scum motivation in getting him to confirm.

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:37 am

Ira, scumhunting is not super easy. Any town worth his/her grain in salt are going to have their reads change and flip flop as the game goes along. Only scum have need for staticy reads. It also doesn't help that what is a scumtell from one player might just be a derp tell from another. For example, I was in a game not to long ago with a player faking a post restriction, even though it was clear (or atleast looked clear) that they were a PR, the scum asked, thus rolefishing. Its very similar to you asking Ross to hard confirm that he's a power role. So yes, I think its scummy but I'm more than aware that this could just be bad town play. I think you've made some posts that are very scummy. You can read it here here and it doesn't help that you aren't really responding to them. My biggest issue is that your claim that my questioning the lack of resistance to a MAP wagon was "scum aligned" but you selectively used that tell.

As much as I think you are scum I'm also aware that I could be wrong and the players that are really against your wagon (Maria, Gerry, Elyse) could easily be the scum we are looking for. Apparently no one agrees with me but I still feel strongly that DW was setting up shop to push my lynch if you flipped town. I also don't think its impossible that you two are scumbuddies and he tries to scare me off the wagon.

I was scumreading CR early mostly for

In post 416, Comparing Realities wrote:
In post 408, Elyse wrote:I'm still ok to lynch [Maps] but Zap is climbing up on my scum list. All of his posts ping me so hard.
Confirmation bias alert. If all of his posts ping you so, then either you or he are doing something wrong. And since few others are pinged, save myself and I think also Maria, it's probably just his personality that bothers you.

I mean obviously you are scumreading him NOW but earlier on I don't remember you saying anything about him. So scum thats about to get lynched adds in his scumbuddy at the last minute so we'd be less likely to lynch him?

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:09 am

Lets just pretend that's what I said.

Why is it hypocritical?

Why should I not consider that you are scum that knows Ira is town?

One of the tinfoils that I'm considering is that Ira is town and DW is scum which is why he said that one of us (me and Ira) had to be right about the other and when I called him on it his scumbuddies (CR and Maria) came in to defend him.

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:43 am

In post 1033, Dwlee99 wrote:nero i feel like you're super off track this game

I feel like you are scum and not doing anything.

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 31, 2016 10:48 am

Maria did you ever make a post along the lines of "Map is not playing like he did when he played together."? 'cause I don't really remember you doing so. If not, why not?

I did say you

COULD

be scum not that you had to be scum if Ira flipped town (you know like DW did.) And its not like you, Gerry or Elyse have compelling reasons. Two of you ae arguing that Map/Yoshi are scummier and you are arguing that Ira couldn't play like this as scum so I don't see how these arguments are impossible to come from scum and why I should not consider you aas scum.

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:48 pm

In post 1040, MariaR wrote:I'm pretty sure I did say Map's not playing like he use to? Pretty sure

pls quote it, I can't find it. My problem is, if you had a meta scum read on Map that would have changed discussion but I don't remember seeing it/didn't see it.

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:53 pm

In post 1040, MariaR wrote:It's not that you shouldn't consider it that's 100% fine but the way you're wording it is acting like the people who wouldn't kill him are prime suspects and I find that out right foolish and from what I've seen you don't seem that foolish

Lets just pretend that's what my post was saying, why is my post saying that I would consider you Gerry and Elyse as my top suspects but DW pushing me as scum if Ira wasn't scum not scummy?

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:57 pm

This is the VC. We have 17 hours left. A no lynch is a stupid thing on d1.

Map Wolf: Elyse, MariaR, BigYoshiFan [L-4]
iraonavp: BlackStar, Comparing Realities, Nero Cain, Map Wolf [L-2]
Elyse: iraonavp [L-6]
BigYoshiFan: gerryoat, Rosske, Zap Rowsdowe [L-4]

Not voting (2) - Wake 88, Dwlee

DW and Wake pls decide on what wagon you'd like to join.

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 31, 2016 12:59 pm

In post 1044, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1037, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1033, Dwlee99 wrote:nero i feel like you're super off track this game
I feel like you are scum and not doing anything.
nah i'm town and not doing anything lol

Even if you have a green pm you aren't town but I'm p sure you are scum here.

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:01 pm

ok join it

Nero Cain · Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:04 pm

I don't see why you'd wait

Nero Cain · Mon Aug 01, 2016 1:56 am

INTENT TO HAVE DW HAMMER

Nero Cain · Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:24 am

its looking like a map or no lynch.

vote:Map

Nero Cain · Mon Aug 01, 2016 3:33 am

We can get Ira tomorrow. I don't know how I'll feel about Maria if Map flips town. Her whole "I have a meta scumread on Map" seemed like a last minute push to get a map lynch. She should have said something about it DAYS ago so I'm not sure if I buy the "opps I forgot" excuse.

DW is still scum thought and we should be doing that at some point.

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:38 am

We should prob lynch Ira today like we should have done yesterday. other acceptable lynches are Elyse and DW.

vote:Ira

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:50 am

*sigh* Zap isn't going to move on until Elyse is lynched and I don't hate it give the way she was using crazy "logic" for why we shoud lynch map.

@Maria I can SORTA see you going "oh hey Maps not playing like his town game. Ima lynch it!" and be unwilling to budge. I still think your "Ira wouldn't play like this as scum" is wrong and POE.

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:50 am

vote:Elyse

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:53 am

I'd lynch 6 slots over you Maria.

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:55 am

WIFOM now help me lynch Ira or Elyse

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:58 am

^
one of the slots I'd lynch over Maria

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 9:59 am

yes lets lynch the guy with good reads this game

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 10:22 am

Was your 1084 not saying you'd lynch me over Elyse and Ira? 'Cause that's how I took it. I am thus commenting on my reads and two of my town reads have flipped town so.....

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 3:03 pm

In post 1098, Elyse wrote:Nero do you think I'm scum with ira?

I DO!

In post 1099, BigYoshiFan wrote:Are you told if you get roleblocked?

no

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:01 pm

In post 1118, BigYoshiFan wrote:
In post 1089, Nero Cain wrote:Was your 1084 not saying you'd lynch me over Elyse and Ira? 'Cause that's how I took it. I am thus commenting on my reads and two of my town reads have flipped town so.....
Now, acknowledging that two of your townreads were correct to support you being town is VERY scummy to me, obviously because you would know who was town if you were scum.

or you know, I could just be one of the actually good players here but its not like I was hand waving "oh look I had two correct town reads, I must be town!" I was just saying that it made no sense that Gerry wanted to lynch me over Elyse and Ira but then I've supposedly misread that so...CRISIS AVERTED!

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:04 pm

In post 1117, Elyse wrote:@Nero
:/
You think is hard defend a buddy like that? Especially one I don't like?

Like I could see if you think I was WKing Ira but scumreads on both of us doesn't fit.

So Ira gets ran up and you play mental gymnastics and claim we should all go back to Map. If either of you should flip scum why should I ignore that?

+++

Ira was SCUMREADING you yesterday and now he's like "oh she hasn't done anything scummy" The fuck?

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:11 pm

In post 1123, iraonavp wrote:However, you are right that NEROCAIN's reads are
inconsistent

I'd ask you to show your work but I don't think you know what this means.

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:13 pm

In post 1124, iraonavp wrote:Yeah, you clearly only came up with this now, or else you would've posted it earlier, if it was a real reason

bro I was talking about how scummy Elyse's mental gymnastics were yesterday and like...I couldn't comment on your Elyse read change before it happened so....

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:15 pm

In post 1113, itlepip wrote:Not voting (5) - Rosske,Comparing Realities,
Skold
,MariaR,BigYoshiFan

wake is so useless in this game even the mod forgot he was here. :/

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:19 pm

I love how I tear your arguments apart and then you still push on. Its very "little engine that could"

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:28 pm

In post 1028, Nero Cain wrote:'m also aware that I could be wrong and the players that are really against your wagon (Maria, Gerry, Elyse)
could
easily be the scum we are looking for.

could

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:31 pm

and Maria this was our conversation on why I think Ira is scum, did you forget this already?

In post 973, MariaR wrote:
In post 964, Nero Cain wrote:Maria explain how any of this stuff comes from town.

In post 840, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 836, iraonavp wrote:Basically what Nero Cain does is try and accuse Elyse and then votes other people off the assumption of them being partners, both of them do this and there is unfounded confidence from both of them.
I was scumreading you long before Elyse and all of my votes (MP, Rosske, DW) had like shit all to do with them being buddies with anyone. And as much as I dislike Elyse its not like her crusade against Map has anything to do with anyone being buddies with anyone. Its like you are posting and commenting on the game but the game you are commenting on isn't the game being played.

In post 925, iraonavp wrote:
In post 915, Nero Cain wrote:I understand if you had a big town read on IRA and said you didn't want to vote him but you don't so I'm not quite sure why you flat out refuse to do so.
This is not something that a town-aligned player says about me if they think I am scum-aligned.

In post 501, iraonavp wrote:
In post 485, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 458, Dwlee99 wrote:rosske wagon is the best wagon
Why?
You're on the wagon... Why would you even ask this?

In post 503, iraonavp wrote:This seems like a scum-aligned thought process, because "wagon resistance" is usually scum-aligned logic to throw shade onto the wagon.
Yeah I find a lot of these posts slightly scummy or null but not every town has a perfect game of no scummy posts I feel like a lot of people who pushed on Ira in the first place have either subconsciously scumread everything Ira says or haven't looked at him as a whole

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 03, 2016 7:39 pm

lol no

Nero Cain · Thu Aug 04, 2016 5:46 am

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:05 pm

In post 1164, Wake1 wrote:Is there anything pertinent I should know?

I have a guilty on Ira.

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:14 pm

I thought I I posted earlier but the site has been spotty lately so maybe it didn't post. Anyways, I think Elyse expecting my to choose between my scum reads on her and Ira is plain dumb but then again this is the same person that argued that the lack of resistance on the Map wagon actully meant there was resistance. I thought it was stupid and I could deff see scum arguing that. So I scum read it for that. The fact this came about the same time as the Ira wagon makes a Ira-Elyse team sensible but I think its independently scummy as well.

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:14 pm

In post 1204, iraonavp wrote:
NEROCAIN is just saying it as a semi-joke
to try and get votes on me

the bold is correct, the unbold is incorrect.

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:15 pm

In post 1208, BigYoshiFan wrote:Also, I haven't been very trusting of Nero Cain, I don't know, maybe I just don't wanna admit my townread was wrong.

or you are scum that knows my scumread on Ira is wrong. Remind me why you don't trust me.

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:20 pm

I don't think you know what you are doing. Its not impossible that I'm wrong and the scum are sitting there and TELLING me that I'm wrong so they can sit there and argue that I'm some how scum for pushing you, why do you think this is impossible?

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:28 pm

like each time you post its like listening to someone scrape their nails over a chalkboard, it is THAT bad. The things you are saying are so fucking stupid that I'm not even sure how

ANYONE

would not want to policy lynch you unless they knew you were town. I really don't want to play with you so just lynch me. I'm flipping town and then lynch the fuck out of Ira, Elyse, Gerry and DW. That should be all the scum.

vote:Nero

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:33 pm

In post 1217, iraonavp wrote:Because you are scum-aligned, because your posts are basically admitting that you are wrong about me.

The way you are talking to me now also proves this.

YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON

I have a solid as fuck case on you and there are a NUMBER of people calling you town against all fucking reason. If you were decent town/not scum you'd spend the 1 second it takes and THINK about the game.

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:37 pm

Are you willing to self vote when I flip town?

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:38 pm

I see you on Maria, pls vote me or Ira.

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:06 pm

Says the guy that was scumreading her yesterday, then argues that she's done nothing scummy and now she's scummy again.

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 05, 2016 5:11 pm

no one ever said anything about you calling me scum?

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:10 pm

I'm here. vote me or Ira.

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:17 pm

i think he's a derp. now vote me or ira. I don't there's any reason to wig out about his full claiming or not, obviously he needs to full claim in the coming days but its not a big deal.

Nero Cain · Sat Aug 06, 2016 8:07 am

In post 1242, iraonavp wrote:NEROCAIN is saying this expecting you to vote me because I have 0 charisma

All I hear is "wah wah wah"

I'll make a bigger post later but I think you are the best vote in the game regardless of alignment.

Nero Cain · Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:44 am

I'm here.

Nero Cain · Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:19 am

In post 1257, Zap Rowsdower wrote:And I'm treating ira as town simply because Elyse is my top scumread and it doesn't make sense in my head for him to be partners with Elyse.

could you explain this?

TBF, I think DW being willing to switch to Map isn't nessisarily scummy but...

In post 1052, Dwlee99 wrote:maybe a wagon i like better shows up m9

Do you guys really think this hesitation type post comes from town?

Nero Cain · Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:38 pm

might need to go on v/la Thursday until Monday.

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:55 pm

Speaking of Ira....ntice how he's lurking now that the main focus is not on him.

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:59 pm

^
hello bettlejuice

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:03 pm

scum often don't kill prs to sow WIFOM so I'm not sure why Elyse is pretending like that's not a thing. Like all her logic is so assbackwards this game. I mean sure, Ross will need to eventually full claim but I don't see the big deal to do it today *shrugz*

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:10 pm

ummmm...I do think its very possible. Why do think its not? I also had the same issue with the Map wagon that I had with the Ross wagon, there was no resistance.

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:17 pm

In post 468, Something_Smart wrote:Rosske: MariaR, Nero Cain, Dwlee, Zap Rowsdower, BlackStar, gerryoat

In post 372, itlepip wrote:Mapwolf: Elyse, Dwlee, Nero Cain, Zap Rowsdower, BigYoshiFan, Skold

hrmmmm...

I mean I knew DW was scum already but maybe this does poiint to Zap as scum.

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:27 pm

I don't really remember you having a scumread on DW.

Map (confirmed town) and Ross both had wagons of little resistance. That to me makes me think that there is scum on those wagons and the only 3 names that appear on both wagons are me, DW and Zap. I am confirmed town to myself so...

also if you have a scumread on DW why is my thinking there is scum on the wagons flawed?

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:45 pm

In post 1347, iraonavp wrote:You quoting two wagons like it is actual evidence proves nothing.

VCA is a thing. You've never seen this?

In post 1347, iraonavp wrote:I know that "little resistance" is easily manipulated by scum-aligned players to reach any conclusion that you want to reach.

So I just happened to use its to defend a big nice juicy mislynch. Why would I do that as scum? If you were honestly looking for scum you'd look at the players that used the same argument

AFTERWARDS

but you didn't. That's selective scumhunting and I see more scum motivation in it then town just being derpy.

In post 1348, iraonavp wrote:If you're confirmed as town-aligned to yourself, how does it make Dwlee scum-aligned to be on the wagons in the
exact same position as you
?

You don't believe what you're saying at all!

Lets pay this out.

Do you think that both the Map wagon and the Ross wagon were both full town wagons?

Given the wagon speed I don't think so. Both Zap and DW are common names on both lists so I think its possible that one or both could be the scum hopping on both wagons.

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:50 pm

In post 1349, MariaR wrote:it makes DW and Zap likely partners.

yeah that's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that there's scum on the d1 Map/Ross wagons and both of Zap/DW are common names on that list and it makes me think atleast one of them is possible scum.

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 10, 2016 8:51 pm

In post 1351, iraonavp wrote:NEROCAIN was on the same wagons, that's what I'm saying.

yes and?

In post 1352, iraonavp wrote:No, both Zap Rowsdower and Dwlee are town-aligned...

why?

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:01 pm

ok I'm done with this Vi

vote:Ira

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:07 pm

I wish there was a competency test that you had to take to get out of the newbie games.

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:10 pm

then no wonder you are so bad.

Are you an alt?

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:13 pm

Do you think me being on the Map and Ross wagons make me scum?

Nero Cain · Wed Aug 10, 2016 9:54 pm

ok I like Marie better now

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 12, 2016 8:49 am

I kinda think that Elyse is town if CR is scum. Like I can't get the idea out of my head that CR telling Elyse that her scumreading ZAP was conformation bias. That seems alot like a thing that scum would say that knows Elyse is wrong and knows Zap is town. I've also been secretly scumreading Gerry for awhile and when Marie put some pressure on him its why I said I liked her better now. His (Gerry) saying "you can't convince me on CR rn." kinda makes me think they could be scum buddies, idk.

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:00 am

In post 1377, Rosske wrote:No one's actually explained to me why Ira is scum

Maybe you should try reading my iso and/or his posts?

In post 964, Nero Cain wrote:Maria explain how any of this stuff comes from town.

In post 840, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 836, iraonavp wrote:Basically what Nero Cain does is try and accuse Elyse and then votes other people off the assumption of them being partners, both of them do this and there is unfounded confidence from both of them.
I was scumreading you long before Elyse and all of my votes (MP, Rosske, DW) had like shit all to do with them being buddies with anyone. And as much as I dislike Elyse its not like her crusade against Map has anything to do with anyone being buddies with anyone. Its like you are posting and commenting on the game but the game you are commenting on isn't the game being played.

In post 925, iraonavp wrote:
In post 915, Nero Cain wrote:I understand if you had a big town read on IRA and said you didn't want to vote him but you don't so I'm not quite sure why you flat out refuse to do so.
This is not something that a town-aligned player says about me if they think I am scum-aligned.

In post 501, iraonavp wrote:
In post 485, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 458, Dwlee99 wrote:rosske wagon is the best wagon
Why?
You're on the wagon... Why would you even ask this?

In post 503, iraonavp wrote:This seems like a scum-aligned thought process, because "wagon resistance" is usually scum-aligned logic to throw shade onto the wagon.

thats it in a nutshell I think. You can ask me on things if they aren't clear.

Also add to that I don't really feel like he's scumhunting and add his nice bettlejuice from the last page. The only thing that really makes me feel like he's town is DW arguing that one of us had to be scum and I could easily see that coming from scum. He's also really hard to lynch for some unusual reason so it makes me think he's scum or he's being defending by scum so they can keep a lighting rod around and pressure off themselves.

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 12, 2016 9:15 am

3 scum in a 13 player is normal. I've seen 4 (3 mafia+sk) but we had no 2nd kill last night so I'm going with the standard of 3 scum. My default balance theory is that the VTs are 50% of the town+1 so at minimum 6 vts. So we'd only have 3-4 PRs. Thats why I don't think its super duper important for Ross to full claim now. On d3/d4 sure but now seems silly.

Nero Cain · Sat Aug 13, 2016 11:28 am

Maria marry me.

In post 1399, MariaR wrote:How do people feel about a Gerry/CR/Zap Scum team?

replace Zap with DW

and Ira's play still blows and I have a hard time seeing his play from town but I could imagine a town Ira with how CR and DW are treating him.

Gerry bussing/distancing from BYF is still a possibility.

Wake is a non entity.

The biggest problem with this game is that no one is willing to budge. Its stupid.

vote:CR

Nero Cain · Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:10 am

In post 1420, Wake1 wrote:Honestly, I'm pretty close to replacing out, because I'm getting hit pretty hard in my personal life (two deaths in the family).

That said, I'm surprised Scum haven't really tried to use my inability to stay relatively active against me.

bye Wake

Nero Cain · Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:30 am

Says the guy thats being overly guarded about their reads. I've been in plenty of games where scum tunnel their buddy but nice attempt at insulting me.

Nero Cain · Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:37 am

Why is CR obvious town?

Like I'm fairly sure you are just scum just replying and not really paying attention to the game but BYF isn't one of my main scumreads. Scum sitting on thier buddy is a possibility and that's all I'm saying it is. You being all hyper defensive and trying to discredit me is p scummy.

Nero Cain · Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:37 am

Why is CR obvious town?

Like I'm fairly sure you are just scum just replying and not really paying attention to the game but BYF isn't one of my main scumreads. Scum sitting on thier buddy is a possibility and that's all I'm saying it is. You being all hyper defensive and trying to discredit me is p scummy.

Nero Cain · Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:38 am

In post 1441, gerryoat wrote:Why would maf claim VT and not fish.

I'm not even sure what this is...like Map claimed VT b/c he was town?

Nero Cain · Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:54 am

ok....

like Map already flipped town so why are we still talking about him?

Nero Cain · Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:55 am

I thought BYF was your ONLY read in this game?

Why do you TR CR and not me?

Nero Cain · Sun Aug 14, 2016 9:08 am

In post 1427, Comparing Realities wrote:1) My apparent associations with DW (who you personally dislike) and/or Gerry
2) My telling Elyse to avoid confbiasing Zap, because that might have been mafia!CR knowing Zap was town
3) My beating up on Ira (parallel with DW, apparently)
4) (Probably) My "unwillingness to budge", unless you were referring to Gerry's "you can't convince me" line

lets get one thing straight first so DW can't sit there and toe the "Nero doesn't like me, that's why he's voting me!" line. I dislike 99% of all players play.

I don't mind you tunneling Ira like at all. I think Ira's play is pretty horrible and its not like I think the guy is pro-town but then again most players on this site aren't. I just feel like

In post 1311, Comparing Realities wrote:Are you done yet?

In post 1386, Comparing Realities wrote:WTH, Nero? Really?

I'm subbing out if one more person acts like this.

are weird ways to treat Ira. Like Ira is frustrating ok, I'm frustrated with him. I'd love nothing more than to PL him. So what do you do? Chide me over it? AND THEN you get all

ATE

y and threaten to replace out.

despite Maria and you not agreeing with me I still strongly feel like DW is pitting me and Ira against one another.

In post 668, Dwlee99 wrote:
I think one of you has to be right here
.
Like you as town should be right about this
(especially since I share your read) and iraonpvp seems fairly certain in his read. I can see you both being scum in some weird way with you bussing awkwardly kinda but that doesn't seem likely.

bold 1 says one of us is right. This post gives DW the freedom to hop on me if Ira is town. Bold 2 says that I have to be town but if Ira is town then I was wrong and not town. Thus I think Ira is some what likely to be town and DW knows this is a TvT.

Nero Cain · Sun Aug 14, 2016 9:14 am

In post 1458, gerryoat wrote:Nero is upset that I don't TR him over CR.

not really. I at first kinda liked CR as town 'cause I felt our gameplay was mostly similarish. I was scumreading Ira then he was scumreading Ira, I got all side eyed at the Map wagon b/c lack of resistance then he did too! So I'm just a little surprised that you have a rock fucking solid TR on CR but you don't have a TR on me when he's doing the exact same things as me.

If you had a solid town read on CR why did you say "you can't convince me rn" instead of something like "he's town."?

Nero Cain · Sun Aug 14, 2016 9:14 am

In post 1461, gerryoat wrote:So Nero, you fo DW?

sure!

Nero Cain · Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:45 pm

Zap there is plenty of potential scum motivation for scum to fakeclaim a guilty. My initial reaction was he was trying to save CR from rope.

Nero Cain · Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:48 pm

I've never played with scum DW before but this is supposedly his scum play where his just does gambits and jazz the whole game.

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:06 pm

Just letting everyone know that I'm here and that today is a DW lynch. Not really wanting to say anything until Zap gets done with his post about me.

Nero Cain · Fri Aug 19, 2016 2:51 pm

i lied, might want to PL Wake

Nero Cain · Sun Aug 21, 2016 2:32 pm

In post 1821, Zap Rowsdower wrote:I pretty much finished Nero's ISO and all I got out of it was "meh, he could be scum." I think there might have been some specific things but I'm not looking at my notes right now.

Da ba Dee da ba die

ya you have nothing son.

vote:DW

Still think he's scum that slipped he's scum that knew Ira and I was a TvT. Mildly suspicious of Maria for trying to wave me off (like scum CR did) but being bad is a thing.

Nero Cain · Sun Aug 21, 2016 2:45 pm

both Ira and Elyses play have been terrible but prob both town due to the way CR treated them.

I think Marias play makes some sense as town but that "Ira wouldn"t the play the way he did as scum" was pretty stupid. She's atleast shepping me so she can be town.

I'm convinced that DW is scum so that means the last scum is in

Zap Rowsdower
Wake 88
BigYoshiFan
gerryoat

I see potential scum motivation in all of them.

Gerry I could see as scum for having so few reads wich is helpful as scum. He's also mainly tunneling on BYF.

Zap is similar as he's been tunneling on Elyse most of the game. Its also somewhat possible the CR tells Elyse to stop tunneling her budyy.

Wake is a lurksack that's done nothing but ask the mod useless questions and complain about how busy he is.

And I just don't remember anything Yoshi has done that was useful.

If I had to put those 4 in order it would be Wake, Gerry, Yoshi, Zap. But hey! 25% chance we win this game tomorrow.

Nero Cain · Sun Aug 21, 2016 2:50 pm

In post 1825, Nero Cain wrote:Zap is similar as he's been tunneling on Elyse most of the game. Its also somewhat possible the CR tells Elyse to stop tunneling her budyy.

Also add in stuff about his CR hammer being fake sounding.

Nero Cain · Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:08 pm

In post 1636, gerryoat wrote:Do you really think I'd hard defend a traitor if I was mafia if so, for what reason?

You wouldn't know but scum defending town for town cred is a thing and I don't think its in the realms of impossibility that you'd hard defend CR knowing he wasn't on your team.

In post 1818, MariaR wrote:No one is even close to hammer what are your reads right now Wake

You should have told him to "hammer" DW just to see if he'd vote DW. Both Zap and Yoshi dancing around voting Yoshi is p scummy. I mighta changed my mind and decided that the last scum is between those two since I feel a 1/2/10 setup is more balanced than a 1/3/9.

Nero Cain · Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:12 pm

I don't think so.

Nero Cain · Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:24 am

In post 1831, Zap Rowsdower wrote:
In post 1824, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1821, Zap Rowsdower wrote:I pretty much finished Nero's ISO and all I got out of it was "meh, he could be scum." I think there might have been some specific things but I'm not looking at my notes right now.

Da ba Dee da ba die
ya you have nothing son.
Why were you waiting for me to post about this anyway?

just was interested in what you'd come up with.

In post 1833, Zap Rowsdower wrote:I'd like to hear the people voting Dw explain the reasoning behind his two gambits. The one at the beginning of the game with the fake result on Elyse and the one yesterday with the fake result on ira.

I will reply to your question with a question. Do you think DW's "reaction" tests are townie?

Nero Cain · Mon Aug 22, 2016 8:59 am

In post 1857, MariaR wrote:Does no one want to talk on the traitor thing or are we all gonna auto tr that and not think it's fake ever

is this about Zaps hammer?

Nero Cain · Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:05 am

In post 1852, Zap Rowsdower wrote:
In post 1849, Nero Cain wrote:Do you think DW's "reaction" tests are townie?
Well, yes, kinda. Because I just feel like it goes against the grain of scum motivation, you know? Like, you draw attention to yourself by faking not one but two guilties? And then you call people town as a result? Just doesn't really help to get mislynches. Maybe if he's partners with Maria it'd make a bit more sense, but I still have a hard time believing Maria could be scum.

And then, I mean, think about what would've happened if Dw had stuck to the fake guilty on ira. It only makes sense if Dw and ira are partners together, because if ira flipped town then Dw would have to expect that we'd just turbolynch him the next day. And scumDw would know that ira was flipping town now that the traitor has flipped.

So then, what if ira
is
Dw's partner? They'd really pull that after losing the third member of their team? I know the automatic answer is "yeah they'd do it because they knew you'd townread them for it!!!!" but I just have a hard time believing that.

Not to mention the whole thing where I have a really hard time believing ira is scum anyway.

So the other option is that Dw is scum who's just flat-out lying right now about his intentions with the ira gambit. As in, he didn't really intend to get ira lynched when he fakeclaimed the guilty. That's the reason I'm still not totally willing to close the door on Dw being scum. The meta you claim exists might help me sort it out. Dw linked to some game where he was town but I lazily ctrl + f'ed his ISO in that game and couldn't find anything that looked like gambiting so I'm not sure what Dw was trying to show with it.

At any rate I just feel like there's so much more sketchy shit going on with BYF. He's bungling his reasons for scumreading me, he's sheeping the shallow reasoning that I'm scum because my reaction when I realized I'd accidentally hammered CR "looked fake" (I'd be sincerely interested to see an example of somebody realizing they'd accidentally hammered where nobody tried to argue the next day that the reaction "looked fake") and his actions in this game have largely benefited scum.

ok well, both me and Elyse have done "reaction" tests and you have no trouble scum reading us so?

"BUT DW DID TWO!"

I think his "tests" are null and I'm having a hard time seeing you as town believe that he's townie but Elyse and I are not. Also I'm p sure that it was Elyse that fakeclaimed a guilty on Maria...not DW. I think DW's "reaction" test was fakeclaiming a guilty on Elyse. I think he DID call her town but has since backtracked and is scumreading her as town.

Nero Cain · Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:13 am

I am much much more confident on DW being scum mostly b/c his voting pattern today is all kinds of shit. He has voted both pretty much confirmed town reads (Ira and Elyse) and has a scum read on the only guys to actually get scum lynched this game. He's voting this way b/c he knows he's scum and voting outside of the obvious kills (Ira, Elyse) would help town narrow down who is buddy is. A DW scum means that

BOTH

Zap and Gerry can't be scum. And Zap is defending the living daylights out of DW so I could see a DW/Zap team. Sheep me if you aren't already.

I think CR makes Elyse p obviously town.

Nero Cain · Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:20 am

CR knew who scum were. I think CR telling Elyse that her Zap read was confirmation bias sounds like scum with inside info and thus he was talking to town. I am not sure on whether or not this means Zap is scum or he was telling Elyse this was a TvT.

Nero Cain · Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:21 am

In post 1867, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1070, itlepip wrote:

Votecount 1.14 FINAL

For every dark night, there's a brighter day.

Map Wolf: MariaR, BigYoshiFan, Elyse, BlackStar, iraonavp, Dwlee, Nero Cain, [L-0]

iraonavp:
Comparing Realities, Map Wolf [L-5]

BigYoshiFan:
gerryoat, Rosske, Zap Rowsdower, [L-4]

Not voting (1)
- Wake 88,

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

(expired on 2016-08-01 12:00:00) remain until day end

nero assume I am town for this excercise.
Who is the scum on the map wagon. I think it is elyse.[/quote]
"ignore me and look over there!"

please step into the noose

Nero Cain · Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:21 am

In post 1867, Dwlee99 wrote:
In post 1070, itlepip wrote:

Votecount 1.14 FINAL

For every dark night, there's a brighter day.

Map Wolf: MariaR, BigYoshiFan, Elyse, BlackStar, iraonavp, Dwlee, Nero Cain, [L-0]

iraonavp:
Comparing Realities, Map Wolf [L-5]

BigYoshiFan:
gerryoat, Rosske, Zap Rowsdower, [L-4]

Not voting (1)
- Wake 88,

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

(expired on 2016-08-01 12:00:00) remain until day end

nero assume I am town for this excercise.
Who is the scum on the map wagon. I think it is elyse.[/quote]
"ignore me and look over there!"

please step into the noose

Nero Cain · Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:27 am

Way back when it was p common play for the traitor to attack the scum, get shot at or something and get recruited. Obviously it doesn't work like that in normals anymore but still CR kne who the scum were thus Ira and Elyse are prob not scum. We should be lynching DW today.

Nero Cain · Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:44 am

Zap stop posturing and bus DW

Nero Cain · Mon Aug 22, 2016 9:59 am

[quote="In post 1882, Zap Rowsdower"][/quote]
one is confirmed scum.