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[pitoli]

I'd actually rather not say until they've gotten a chance to visit the thread.

[gameplay506]

Ryan and rb obviously

So lets see what rb has to say about his dying n1 talk and if ryan has actually come up with anything during the night

I

really

feel like Ryan is town. I just can't bring myself to lynch him. I will look at him later in the game if were both still around.

I really don't like what you just said about rb either...

Also, quick question, when you do reads-lists, do you usually copy/paste the 'Alive' section from the Mod opening post?

Guuuys please stop jumping to conclusions about my posts
I never used this as a solid argument against rb, I just said I find it odd and it

might

be him positioning for something thats why I wanted it explained. I never said that he is scum because of it
And ye copy paste is the easiest

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'd actually rather not say until they've gotten a chance to visit the thread.

Why not? It seems it would be a good idea to get a wagon rolling for the start of D2.

[pitoli]

I'd actually rather not say until they've gotten a chance to visit the thread.

Why not? It seems it would be a good idea to get a wagon rolling for the start of D2.

If you think so, then why not start a wagon instead of waiting for me?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

@BBT I need you to post more. As I understand it you're a good town player. Do more plzthx.

Rb, can you also explain this post when you're here please.

Thanks.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If you think so, then why not start a wagon instead of waiting for me?

Hard to start a wagon with one vote.

[pitoli]

Can you list the three in order of how badly you'd like lynch them in?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I have changed my mind again on Cass.

So Rb first, then Golden.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Need to wait for a replacement for Golden though and want RB to explain his D1 post I quoted and his assuredness that he would be killed (I see what you mean now gameplay, just reread pages 27-29)

[Expedience]

This large wagon swing makes me feel like scum were definitely in on it, even if not necessarily leading it.

I agree with Glitch however, that if he flips town, Expedience looks more town due to the claim duel thing.

That makes me suspect that either/both of RyanK and Martha Zolanski would be the scum he was a counter wagon to.

The fact that he was mostly gone during his wagon's growth is also a deciding factor in that it was a bad wagon.

It's disappointing that you guys didn't at least wait until I got back. Pushing through a wagon on the weekend is bad form even when people haven't announced V/LA.

This is immediately after Glitch was hammered. I feel like this post is expecting Glitch to flip town because it only overs scenarios where this is the case. like he starts with "if he flips town" then devolves into outright assumption

It's unreasonable for town!Chuck to presume a town flip here, his post where he realized he wa hammered actually looked like a scumclaim to me (since it showed his aim was survival (however his play before that was pretty town and made my heart sink reading it)). Chuck never took a stance on Glitch, just let it happen and then tried to set up new pushes afterwards, but he did it slightly too prematurely.

The CLAIM DUEL thing is something that happened a while ago, Glitch didn't really bring anything revelatory to light there. Chuck could've made his own evaluation of the CLAIM DUEL when he made that post about how oddly interested he was in the claims of two town members. This is a really unnatural progression and shows that he didn't really believe all the crap he was throwing at me before. All the suspicion on me is completely gone! It's probably because he mistakenly thought I was a PR (and didn't notice that Martha was one?).

VOTE: Chuck

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I like the above post.

Like, really like it.

I can't get into this game

[BlueBloodedToffee]

VC 1.15

Martha Zolanski (5)

: Cass, pitoli, Expedience, rb, RyanK

VC 1.39

Glitch (7)

: Expedience, rb, gameplay506, Martha Zolanski, Dierfire, BlueBloodedToffee, pitoli

Putting these here for when I have the time to look into them.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I really feel like both of these VCs point towards rb being scum.

[Expedience]

Yes, that was the predictable NK. Too bad she was the doc and not something the doc could have protected. And rather sad she panicked like that and soft-claimed, as a doc of all things. Sigh.

I don't think Ryan is the best starting point for today, we went over him a lot last day and it doesn't look urgent now. BBT should have finally read up by now, so I want to hear his thoughts. I read him as possibly linked to Glitch, but Glitch flipped vt. I want tohear Expedience talk about last day, what was he thinking? And what is he thinking now.

I'll answer specific questions.

Where did Martha softclaim doctor?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Rb/Chuck/Golden scum team?

[Expedience]

I'm slightly suspicious of rb, nothing concrete. golden is empty null and I wouldn't PoE yet.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Empty null is usually exactly where scum sit.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Who else do you think could be scum on either of those VCs Expedience?

Because I'm town reading everyone on both wagons except for rb.

[Cass]

Yes, that was the predictable NK. Too bad she was the doc and not something the doc could have protected. And rather sad she panicked like that and soft-claimed, as a doc of all things. Sigh.

I don't think Ryan is the best starting point for today, we went over him a lot last day and it doesn't look urgent now. BBT should have finally read up by now, so I want to hear his thoughts. I read him as possibly linked to Glitch, but Glitch flipped vt. I want tohear Expedience talk about last day, what was he thinking? And what is he thinking now.

I'll answer specific questions.

Where did Martha softclaim doctor?

My question refers to the Claim Duel business. Why did you do that?? And how do you feel about it after the flip? People are calling you more town over it, but I'm mostly just confused by it.

Martha softclaims in 578, for summary of the context read my 1280. She didn't softclaim doctor, just PR. I also really didn't think she'd be a doctor because that makes her behaviour there frankly even more insane. (One could even say anti-town, but I'll be generous and call it panick.) (Hence my sigh.)

[Expedience]

1380 and 1383 both strike me as trying to distance yourself from the responsibility of the D1 lynch. The connotation of 1380 in particular goes like "k, you idiots ready to listen to me now??" which just comes off incredibly scummy.

You're going to have to convince me why the Glitch wagon was a compromise for you when rb, one of your top scumreads, was pushing it.

I don't think gameplay did that, he's just trying to lynch his scumreads. There's no responsibility it's just a game.

[Expedience]

Who else do you think could be scum on either of those VCs Expedience?

Because I'm town reading everyone on both wagons except for rb.

Cass, pitoli, Saru (although not on wagon)

VCA doesn't make sense to me anyway, I think it's usually coincidence / statistics that scum are on a wagon, I never have that in mind as scum.

[Expedience]

Yes, that was the predictable NK. Too bad she was the doc and not something the doc could have protected. And rather sad she panicked like that and soft-claimed, as a doc of all things. Sigh.

I don't think Ryan is the best starting point for today, we went over him a lot last day and it doesn't look urgent now. BBT should have finally read up by now, so I want to hear his thoughts. I read him as possibly linked to Glitch, but Glitch flipped vt. I want tohear Expedience talk about last day, what was he thinking? And what is he thinking now.

I'll answer specific questions.

Where did Martha softclaim doctor?

My question refers to the Claim Duel business. Why did you do that?? And how do you feel about it after the flip? People are calling you more town over it, but I'm mostly just confused by it.

Martha softclaims in 578, for summary of the context read my 1280. She didn't softclaim doctor, just PR. I also really didn't think she'd be a doctor because that makes her behaviour there frankly even more insane. (One could even say anti-town, but I'll be generous and call it panick.) (Hence my sigh.)

I did that to try and get Glitch lynched instead of me (at the expense of my claim), I feel regret that I pushed the wrong guy.

I actually thought Martha claimed cop in 1367 and I got really confused and thought she was fakeclaiming, but it turns out I'm illiterate lol

[pitoli]

Cass, is Expedience still scum today?

[Expedience]

The many happenings from post 761 to post 864

An accusation was made against Glitch,
By Expedience, who decided to lynch,
The accusation was based on his defence,
About synchronized posts, for Martha and Cass.

The reason, for Glitch's vote on me,
Was brought in Gameplay, with an accusation,
Glitch's reason for vote was a bit fishy,
The reason for it, was my lack of reason.

It was fishy, because he stated,
Lack of arguments, isn't a scumread,
Thus, another argument was thrown quickly,
By five-zero-six gameplay.

Rb came in and accused gameplay,
For he thought Dierfire as scum,
But decided to vote me anyway.

Gameplay, defended himself poorly,
Because of defensiveness, which turned things terribly,
However, defensiveness isn't a scum tell,
As both factions, may react defensively.

Rb looked terrible while attacking gameplay,
As opportunism, is a very strong scum tell,
That such a strong scum read was found finally.

The conclusion, I will let you make your own,
As bias reads, shouldn't be well known.

-Ryan

I dont get this

And I still dont get what this means

some sick beats

[Cass]

Quick notes, gtg now:
- Expedience & BBT seem fairly town for now, reads improving.

Looked back on D1 wagons:
- Pitoli has the most suspicious voting pattern from my pov - note to self to ISO him.
- Golden had his vote in the same place for very long, but has been gone for almost that whole time. Over 8 days in fact. Very annoying, but need to wait for replacement...
- Chuck voted only ONCE this entire game! He put his vote on Naomi for her scummy entry and excuses - this was his second post-, then never ever voted again. Ended the day with his vote still on Expedience. Pressure on Chuck is good.

VOTE: Chuck