Micro 642: Auction Mafia TOWN WINS!

[lane0168]

I also agreed with darks point about Charloux's Lynchbait stuff. Charl gets voted as scum, lynched as scum. And then basically says, if we don't lynch, then Lynchbait. Or if they aren't killed, Lynchbait. I don't like that defense at all

[Lucky2u]

Vote Count 1.4

My Other Head Is Scum (L-2)

- Map Wolf, BulletNLynchproof, lane0168
Map Wolf

(L-3)

-DarkLightA, McMenno
Charloux -
McMenno

(L-3)

- My Other Head Is Scum Charloux
Davsto -
lane0168 -
BulletNLynchproof -
farside22 -
DarkLightA

(L-3)

- Davsto, farside22

Not Voting (0)-

Deadline - (expired on 2016-09-13 12:00:00)

[farside22]

Moves lane down to null.

vote: mcmenno

[farside22]

L-1 by the way.

[farside22]

L-1 by the way.

Never mind l-2

That's what I get for getting up early today.

[Charloux]

That did not sound as i imagined... Give us reads or something.

I did or are you blind

Allow me to play the "I was drunk when i posted that" card!

McMenno apparently rubs people the wrong way and bam he gets votes.

Moves lane down to null.

vote: mcmenno

From the first post i got the impression that Mcmenno is null to you, and that he shouldn't get votes for things like that; AND THEN you voted him 18 posts later. Can you explain your thought process to me?

[My Other Head Is Scum]

You who else im opposite of? Mohis and map, who town read each other? I'm taking your word for it as I cant remember, since mohis has opposing reads in themselves

Me and Map are both town lane.
Why can't you see it?

~Fire

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Why are you tunnelling on me.
If you say you aren't I'll call you a liar right now.

I always feel players think I'm better then I think I am.

I don't think what I am doing constitutes tunneling.
I mean, maybe if it went for a few more pages, but I am neither A) voting you , or even B) calling you scum anymore.
I want to get reactions from you.

Its not been very successful.
Also, I have never legit read you as scum ever, so thats why I want to know if you will always feel null or town to me.
Which is standing true.

~Fire

[BNL]

And yes i have not participated enough to blame anyone for voting me.

So if you're town, can you please participate more to show that...?

[BNL]

McMenno, can you tell me if this is your general play style in all your games? Can you link me some of your completed scum games?

I read a few of his town games (but couldn't find a scum one), and the general feeling I got is that he posted more in those games. Though I feel that it may be owing to the fact that the earlier part of the day was really slow.

[BNL]

Still waiting for DarkLight to respond to my questions.

[BNL]

I don't tunnel.

So what's with the new trend here?

I have no idea what your talking about.
I don't tunnel.

Why don't you give me a post I can actually read?

~Fire

Why are you tunnelling on me.
If you say you aren't I'll call you a liar right now.

I always feel players think I'm better then I think I am.

Hasn't Fire already claimed that his scumread on you was fake?

[farside22]

That did not sound as i imagined... Give us reads or something.

I did or are you blind

Allow me to play the "I was drunk when i posted that" card!

McMenno apparently rubs people the wrong way and bam he gets votes.

Moves lane down to null.

vote: mcmenno

From the first post i got the impression that Mcmenno is null to you, and that he shouldn't get votes for things like that; AND THEN you voted him 18 posts later. Can you explain your thought process to me?

I wanted to test a theory in regards to mohis.
I just thought his reads were fake and I wanted to see if he reacted to my vote on the player he is calling scum with me.
His reaction was not what I expected so I'm still very confused by them.

Vote: map

[McMenno]

McMenno, can you tell me if this is your general play style in all your games? Can you link me some of your completed scum games?

I read a few of his town games (but couldn't find a scum one), and the general feeling I got is that he posted more in those games. Though I feel that it may be owing to the fact that the earlier part of the day was really slow.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=67110 very recent, this one
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=61456 perfect scum win somehow
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=60972 first scumgame on site... yeah
don't have any more atm

[My Other Head Is Scum]

McMenno, can you tell me if this is your general play style in all your games? Can you link me some of your completed scum games?

I read a few of his town games (but couldn't find a scum one), and the general feeling I got is that he posted more in those games. Though I feel that it may be owing to the fact that the earlier part of the day was really slow.

This probably isn't town McMeno...

-Vedith

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Next 2 people to vote McMeno will get 10 lucky coins!

-Vedith

[Map Wolf]

And I don't see this coming from a "Mr. trying to be neutral":

I've just not been able to get into the game yet—I'll get better as it progresses, I promise.

That's my favourite excuse as scum too

Don't you? I was merely pointing out your incredibly lame excuse for inactivity, an excuse which I have frequently used as scum in the past. Of all the points you have a problem with, really?

So yeah this game has stalled too much. This game really needs more activity. If anyone has got questions i will be willing to answer them.

What's your read on Mohis?

Townlean due to them participating in the discussion that there is.

Because scum find it impossible to participate in discussion..?

No, but scum generally doesn't have a direct incentive to provoke discussion

You do realise how incredibly wrong this viewpoint is? Like, looking like they're town and making other people look like scum is literally how scum play, and you know how you do that? Provoking discussion! Because people who promote discussion tend to get labelled as town, but provoking and leading discussion allows you to paint other players in the light you want. Scum's incentive for promoting discussion is that it's their main path to victory!

Okay sorry if i didn't elaborate in my post. What i meant by "direct incentive" was that discussion isn't something scum wants, but rather trying to look like they are making it. Now looking back my read on Mohis might not be that decent, but point remains that town generally does try to participate more.

[Lucky2u]

Darklight hath been prodded

[Map Wolf]

You who else im opposite of? Mohis and map, who town read each other? I'm taking your word for it as I cant remember, since mohis has opposing reads in themselves

Me and Map are both town lane.
Why can't you see it?
~Fire

What do you think makes me town?

[My Other Head Is Scum]

Okay sorry if i didn't elaborate in my post. What i meant by "direct incentive" was that discussion isn't something scum wants, but rather trying to look like they are making it. Now looking back my read on Mohis might not be that decent, but point remains that town generally does try to participate more.

We both know I don't overly participate as town.

-Vedith

[BNL]

Something I just realised:

Map Wolf, since you're town reading Mohis, why are you still voting them?

[Davsto]

Second quote, the game is slow, seems like many people aren't getting full on in to it, he just expressed it. Your response shows bias

But "I'm not in the game yet" is the lamest excuse for inactivity that I have used so damn much as scum. Of course I'm going to find it scummy.

Third quote, lackluster may be right, but at the time its more than many had done.

The fact that other people haven't provided reads doesn't stop that read from being really weak and mediocre.

Forth quote, as explained, there was a point to his questioning

But... there wasn't. Did he think that farside didn't read the points of mine she was complimenting? Does the fact that she did read my read suddenly make her townie because scum never read posts before agreeing with them? The question was pointless, the conclusion was illogical.

Fifth, true first part. Second part you call it pathetically easy, and yet you didn't do it, you even said his questions were useless cause you didn't apparently catch on to what he was trying to do.

Just because I didn't do it doesn't stop it from being easy. Charloux would be the easiest player in this game to make a case against, quite simply, and as such someone making a few points against him seems like an odd thing to give town points to. I also don't understand the "you even said his questions were useless" bit is going on about.

Seventh, bias, how does that mean towards calling her scum by saying hes having trouble getting information out of it? That's just a fact. Ask fire.

I would consider "lots of content but struggling to pick out information" to be a scumpoint. I read it as "posting lots, getting across little," a criticism that farside said lots but didn't actually make a lot of good points that make sense. It seemed quite, well, wrong for him to say that and suddenly go "townread".

Eighth, he's scum reading and voting your scum read, but your issue is him saying its not all about the rvs? Clearly there's more scum to map than the rvs. Considering you think map is scum correct?

Well, yeah, I think he's scum. Doesn't change the fact that DarkLight's reasons for scumreading him are really damn weak. I don't just go "well he's scumreading scum so he must be town", I look at the reasons and see if I think they come from a town perspective or not. I don't buy DarkLight's reasons for voting MapWolf.

Sure, he

said

"it's not all about the RVS", yet his entire reasoning actually given for MapWolf is that and "low activity". That's what my problem was - he was saying something that, from my view, was contradictory to how he actually behaved with his MapWolf vote.

Okay sorry if i didn't elaborate in my post. What i meant by "direct incentive" was that discussion isn't something scum wants, but rather trying to look like they are making it. Now looking back my read on Mohis might not be that decent, but point remains that town generally does try to participate more.

But scum

do

want to make discussion - they want to play an active part in it and guide it towards where they wan't and away from where they don't. Sure, they want to appear like they're making it, but the best way to do that is actually to make it.

[Davsto]

And I don't see this coming from a "Mr. trying to be neutral":

I've just not been able to get into the game yet—I'll get better as it progresses, I promise.

That's my favourite excuse as scum too

Don't you? I was merely pointing out your incredibly lame excuse for inactivity, an excuse which I have frequently used as scum in the past. Of all the points you have a problem with, really?

So yeah this game has stalled too much. This game really needs more activity. If anyone has got questions i will be willing to answer them.

What's your read on Mohis?

Townlean due to them participating in the discussion that there is.

Because scum find it impossible to participate in discussion..?

No, but scum generally doesn't have a direct incentive to provoke discussion

You do realise how incredibly wrong this viewpoint is? Like, looking like they're town and making other people look like scum is literally how scum play, and you know how you do that? Provoking discussion! Because people who promote discussion tend to get labelled as town, but provoking and leading discussion allows you to paint other players in the light you want. Scum's incentive for promoting discussion is that it's their main path to victory!

Okay sorry if i didn't elaborate in my post. What i meant by "direct incentive" was that discussion isn't something scum wants, but rather trying to look like they are making it. Now looking back my read on Mohis might not be that decent, but point remains that town generally does try to participate more.

Also, why does lane seems more interested in defending DarkLight than DarkLight does? Lane actually argued my points in a genuine manner (as strongly as I disagree with him), whereas DarkLight threw out an incredibly cheap "all your reads are bullshit lol" with no justification except for a couple of very weak counterpoints.

[farside22]

Why does map keep just complaining in general or act like scum don't lurk too.
The equivalent of his post are summed up as.
Oh I don't know. I have no clue.
We are at page 12 with the same fucking excuse.

[Davsto]

3 days until deadline, I'm not getting a DarkLight lynch it seems, so I'll go for my next best option.

VOTE: MapWolf

Still willing to keep the interrogation pressure on DL, but voting for another likely scum who is more likely to get lynched today takes preference.