STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Firebringer]

You should also be careful! There are some bad guys around that want to make your win not-so-easy, don't let them Killthestory!

YOURE RIGHT VARSOONY! THIS WIN IS MINE, AND IT'S MINE ALONE! I WILL FIGHT FOR THE PLACE WHERE I'M FREE, TO LIVE TOGETHER AND EXIST AS ME!

Garnet?

[Firebringer]

I don't get what Firebringer is trying to do with his constant scum claims. I know he shit posts a lot but he's making me want to lynch him.

I am scum

[Firebringer]

I can't stress enough how bad that hydra name was.

[Firebringer]

I don't get what Firebringer is trying to do with his constant scum claims. I know he shit posts a lot but he's making me want to lynch him.

I am scum

Is this like a post restriction?

Are you trying a new scum strategy?

It's my new scum strategy, like it?

[Firebringer]

I am feeling like this could be Firebringer's scum game.

FINALLY SOMEONE NOTICES!

Am I invisible?

I noticed in the Prequel Phase.

I don't take your reads serious.

[Firebringer]

We are not lynching Not Chara btw, i don't know if you guys got the memo, but thats like not a thing that will happen today.

Why not?

Is she your Scumbuddy?

No, it's they btw.
Get the pronoun right.

I am a little bored of the "lynch the newbie" meta on this site.
I also have strong townread on it.

[Firebringer]

I kind of would rather u get lynched then Chara today, just so we kill that meta.

[Firebringer]

I kind of would rather I get lynched then Chara today, just so we kill that meta.

Fixed
Don't know why auto put in U

[Firebringer]

OR scum are using those reads for themselves.

So why do you think SirCakez is blantenly scum?

Those evil scum butts

[Firebringer]

OR scum are using those reads for themselves.

So why do you think SirCakez is blantenly scum?

Those evil scum butts

Maybe I should say I'm scum and help me bus my scum buddy snarky.

I might be more willing to follow you if you did

[Firebringer]

Not Chara is obvscum.

Go on......

[Firebringer]

20. Firebringer - town dragon whom I'll call scum to make him happy

Your the best.

[Firebringer]

Not Chara is obvscum.

Go on......

Are you reading the thread?

I like to think I read 90% of it.
I don't see Chara actions as scummy in the least.

You will have to dumb it down for me, I am pretty stupid.

[Firebringer]

Not Chara, you need a break from this game like 10 pages ago.
Step back, you sound crazy.

[Firebringer]

It was over once town knew what scum know if you're scum.

what?

[Firebringer]

Lol. Wasn't talking to you fire.

Anyway, what about chara looks town to you?

Is it the scum motivated stances? The lack of paranoia? The shitty reactionary pushes?

Talk with me here.

I don't think its scum motivated stances, also how do you not see paranoia in their posts? What shitty reactionary pushes you talking about?

[Firebringer]

Reactionary pushes are on me + obi. Like reread them more in depth without your "newbs can't be scum for some reason" filter.

I don't have that filter.
In fact I have pushed for newb lynches when everyone has read them as "Newb town" I don't really care what experience the player has for basis of my read. I don't equate things as Newb town or Newb scum. I don't think those were reactionary, but ill read them again. They looked genuine when I was following the game.

[Firebringer]

What you talking about Willis?
You know how many players say that on this site.
That's pure NAI shit there grapes

agree with farside on this.
I don't think any of that was that scummy.

Maybe a bit "fence sitting", but I don't think it was nearly as bad as your trying to make it.

[Firebringer]

I don't get why you are so confident on this.
Remember how you said paranoia was lacking for Not CHara?

I see little self doubt in your own reads, which makes me nervous about you Grapes.

[Firebringer]

I don't get why you are so confident on this.
Remember how you said paranoia was lacking for Not CHara?

I see little self doubt in your own reads, which makes me nervous about you Grapes.

Fire, you're doing that thing rather than reassessing your own reads with evidence, you try to attack the presenter of the evidence instead. That's textbook confirmation bias.

am I?
Cause I really just don't think anything Not Chara has done is scummy.

Should I reaccess everytime a person tells me I am wrong?

[Firebringer]

I see little self doubt in your own reads, which makes me nervous about you Grapes.

You don't know me then.

I am also not a true scotsman.

[Firebringer]

No. Not everytime. We all know that I'm generally the least likely person to reassess probably in the history of mafia. Yet, if an all town wagon emerges, and you don't want it, that presents problems for the gamestate. Having town reaching a hard-fought consensus is generally how town wins games.

Sticking your nose in the sand doesn't help anyone. Statements of "she's newb town" don't help anyone. Engage us. Explain how NC is town, more than the mere conclusion. Mere conclusions don't sway anyone. Show your work.

We are like 48 hours into the game day, are you trying to argue that we need a consensus at this point in time?

I don't think I am sticking my nose in the air, though I am very adamantly against this. I also haven't made an argument based on experience level, especially with newbs because newbs are usually more unpredictable than veterans.

NC was clearly trying to press the game forward throughout this game so far, and one of the few who actually wasn't just reluctantly shit posting in Pregame. You might think that means nothing, but I think it was genuine effort. Lately they have been acting erratic but that hasn't changed my opinion on their previous actions.

[Firebringer]

@Drixx if you have a scumread on me, and you have said you want to PL me because I am a dick, why exactly aren't you trying to get me lynched right now?

I don't get that about you right now.

[Firebringer]

@Drixx if you have a scumread on me, and you have said you want to PL me because I am a dick, why exactly aren't you trying to get me lynched right now?

I don't get that about you right now.

You're behaving way out of the norm for you. I don't know for sure that means you are scum. The only actual evidence I have against you is that you tried to say Titus would tell me all kinds of information when you were in freaking Space Dandy II and saw the absurd amount of ugliness between us there. There's no rational headspace for you to be in where you make that assumption and statement.

You also stopped being an asshole, so why would I invest a bunch of effort pushing you over one thing that doesn't make sense when people are literally lining up and falling all over themselves to look more scummy than you?

~D

You keep bringing up Space Dandy but anyone can tell you that I didn't post much in the game past day 1, and definitely wasn't around for the "ugliness" though I guess I do remember some hostility between you two. I should assume thats a normal between you two because of that game?

[Firebringer]

I am so legit confused on all RRs reads.

[Firebringer]

Which doesn't help change my read on him at all.

[Firebringer]

Do I have to come in here to tell people to walk away from the thread so we can actually get productive?
Cause I am kind of done with Titus tunneling at this point.

[Firebringer]

Ugh.

Toothless is leaving this thread till something new comes in that isn't NC vs Titus.
Or at least until someone else puts some thoughts.

This is just disgustingly waste of time and energy.
Consider myself ignoring both of your posts for time being.

[Firebringer]

@RR Well, the thing is, I am unsure. I have this problem differentiating between scum posts and town posts. Tbh, I play better as scum than as town. *goes off to the corner*

*pulls Yume back*

Hey, you're universally townread. It's ok to be wrong.

General life tip: Most regrets come from the things not tried. Take a shot. It's day 1, I have a theory on the scums, but I am not sure and testing it out some. I'm at NC - Creature - Cakey - Plus [redacted].

Yume is not a universal town read.

Let's find out.

Who here is town reading yume?
If so is it only because of mastin?

I am townreading yume, but it is because of her claim relative to mastin.
Doesn't mean she isn't worthless town though.

[Firebringer]

Yume makes no sense, but then again when has she ever.

[Firebringer]

Stop trying to make facts fit to theories and have theories derived from evidence please.

:rollseyes:

Seriously Titus, you of all people.

[Firebringer]

Baby, do you remember Suikoden?

dragons aren't babies.
We are hatchlings.

Get it right Titus.

[Firebringer]

Baby, do you remember Suikoden?

dragons aren't babies.
We are hatchlings.

Get it right Titus.

Hatchling, you remember that game don't you?

vaguely

[Firebringer]

When the game is over.
We'll see who was the one tunneling.
Hint: it aint the multiple people all agreeing for different, yet augmentative, reasons.

you smell.

[Firebringer]

You don't like Yume's play, tough. But Yume's town, so you're going to have to live with it because Yume's never getting lynched. Ever.

I cried a little inside when I read this.

[Firebringer]

Town: Fire, mastin, grapes, farside, Yume

Cakez put me as scum, I have you as scum.
its only fair.

[Firebringer]

You don't like Yume's play, tough. But Yume's town, so you're going to have to live with it because Yume's never getting lynched. Ever.

I cried a little inside when I read this.

Me too.

You want to bet scum win this now?

I mean statistically scum win Large Themes with such a high degree that its laughable
Current win rate for scum on Large Theme for last games I kept track of was 12/14 games.

So based on that trend. Guess who is likely winning this?!?!?!?!

[Firebringer]

is there somewhere i could find statistics? this is depressing.

I don't think anyone keeps track of it.
This is just something I tracked for games either I watched/participated in/modded.

[Firebringer]

By the way: the number of secret weapons I have against the scum in my readslist has increased from one to two.
There's two things they now all have in common.
Admittedly, they're related things.

But they're separate, and it'd be nice to reveal to you all what they are right now, but I need some patience to make sure I'm right in my inclinations right now.

I hate whatever role you have.

[Firebringer]

Part of me wants to start a wagon on Master Shiro because he talks to me more than he posts in here.
But I also think he might be town that just wants to chat with me.

I am divided on Shiro. Shiro needs more gifs to prove his townieness

[Firebringer]

Good, we can start with McMenno, he has a history of lurking a lot in scum games.

Sure

Vote: McMenno

Come on scum fire.

Ehhhhhh....I kind of think he is townie.
But I would like to hear more from him.

VOTE: Mcmenno

GET IN HER BLOCK!

[Firebringer]

Just checking, because my townread on them is fading fast.

good, scumread me titus.
i live to be scumread.

[Firebringer]

His repeated constant defense of my scumreads, attempts to wagon my townreads, forgets Suikoden and doesn't explain it to you, his repeated attacks of me being "mean" that were unwarranted, his continued echoing of everything you say.

you actually have been a dick, like in a different way than I have been a dick.
So like if you want to have a post game talk about that, we can.

[Firebringer]

Titus, I want to hood with you two tomorrow, so we can yell at each other and figure shit out, hopefully.

[Firebringer]

Titus, I want to hood with you two tomorrow, so we can yell at each other and figure shit out, hopefully.

[Firebringer]

I feel like I should mention enticing things to get Titus to respond to my request.

So ill give you some.
Titus, part of my role gives bonuses to people who ally me.
I won't really detail the bonuses right now, but lets say basically everyone will want to ally me and having town allies is very good.

[Firebringer]

ill protect you for three fifty.

[Firebringer]

Its time to kick this game into overdrive.

@Varsoon Activate the Event:

[Firebringer]

I am really starting to think that Kling isn't just bad reading but scum trying to fake a read.
I can go into that more later I think.

It just feels out of place all game, and doesn't feel like she believes it.
I think grapes mentioned that before, but I agree with it.

Meh.

I could swing wagon that way, but mcmenno still hasn't answered for his crimes of being a block.

[Firebringer]

You serious?
His last post was basically prod dodging.

[Firebringer]

hey klinconcelt, rando, yume and twie... vote me you cowards

more coherent thoughts when I'm not phoneposting

possibly

[Firebringer]

I wasn't nearly due for a prod; just thought it was amusing that not posting at 3am is "lurking" now, will address some more concerns when I get home

I don't think your really lurking mate, but I want to hear more of your thoughts, which do feel pretty absent from the game.

Care to give us insight?

[Firebringer]

I already played that video Yume

[Firebringer]

not the song, no.

[Firebringer]

First, Firebringer, why did you ally with Shiro if your ability gave neat rewards?

It only gives rewards to people I chose to, not just because they are my ally.
Its like inventor but only works on my allies.

[Firebringer]

Ttius, you think I should gift Shiro with something?

[Firebringer]

@Titus I only trust mastin....

i trust your lack of faith is disturbing.

[Firebringer]

dragons aren't shrimp.
i don't know how you confused us two

[Firebringer]

If i was trying to ridicule you, you would know.
Right now I am trying to keep my sanity by your mere pressence in this game.

[Firebringer]

I wrote up two huge long speeches about how I despise your style of player (or lack thereof).

I am sure each one of those would get me force replaced or banned for how innappropriate it was.

Consider me ignoring you for the rest of the game.
Everyone else should too.

Your going to flake out of the game anyways.
Day 3 is longest i give you.

[Firebringer]

This is a vicous cycle. By outright ignoring her, you encourage her to flake and thereby justifying ignoring her. Support her instead.

If she flakes, we ignore her. If she doesn't we don't. She's conftown and this is no way to talk to conftown. If she has a shitty argument, call the argument shitty. Don't attack the player.

We should do everything we can to encourage Yume to talk, not shut them down.

She has flaked out of 9 games in the last two months Titus.
I am done "supporting" her, and believe it or not. I was at one point.

Fuck her.
She deserves zero support till she proves she changes.

[Firebringer]

That part of you that wants to just flavor claim just to annoy titus.
It is strong within me.

[Firebringer]

mcmenno whats your read on cakez?

[Firebringer]

No KTS.

[Firebringer]

then replace out

Your the one who has a problem with it, why don't you?

[Firebringer]

then replace out

Your the one who has a problem with it, why don't you?

lol

Lol

[Firebringer]

dont replace out fire
just stop being a meanie to yume
she doesnt seem to poke her head in the thread unless her name is mentioned anyway

I am not replacing out because at this point me leaving game would cause other issues

[Firebringer]

You know what'd be great? If everyone dropped out-of-game discussion and associations beyond the standard meta-fare.
For the record, it is against site-wide rules to bring outside influences into the game.
If I rule it so, harboring a grudge against a player to the point of saying "I will not talk to you in any game you are in" would warrant a ban under these rules.

So, play the game at hand.
Yes, I am aware of how meta can shape the basis for someone's engagement with another player.
That said, play the game at hand.
That means this game.
Focus on it instead of engaging in pointless, distracting meta-discussion that's best left for a speakeasy thread or a PM after the game.
If any player's primary engagement in this game is to engage in topics only tertiary (or unrelated) to the game itself, I will issue a warning followed by a force-replace.
Play the game.
It's the single thing that you signed up for.
Just do it.

No

[Firebringer]

btw last game i played with yume she said early in the game that she wants to change perception of her being a flaker
and was active the whole game(altho things got heated later...but)
she seems to be doing fine so far, doesnt look anywhere close to flaking range

Your wrong.

[Firebringer]

I am not a meanie.
Your probably scum, so is RR, cakes and grapes has been leaning scum too but him and rr doesn't go together

[Firebringer]

I like new rr wagon:
VOTE: RE

[Firebringer]

I like new rr wagon:
VOTE: RE

Fuck you phone:
VOTE: Reasonaly rational

[Firebringer]

Your probably scum

no

Yes, you haven't done anything townie.

[Firebringer]

KTS looks more town than you, what's with that?

[Firebringer]

I don't think rr and grapes are scum together, possible other teams?
Someone want to help me with that contradiction?

[Firebringer]

That's a compliment to KTS

[Firebringer]

im not caught up with the game fire
i'll do stuff later

Yeah I know your behind, that is part of why you are scummy

[Firebringer]

I don't think rr and grapes are scum together, possible other teams?
Someone want to help me with that contradiction?

Is this based on grapes vote on rr?

No, their interactions together.
Which part of is the vote

[Firebringer]

I actually kind of want to speed through this day, but I want to sort shiro hard first so I can decide whether to gift or not.
Which right now I am leaning not

[Firebringer]

grapes is kinda really gung ho about lynching chara though
and theyre getting more opposition than support for the push but they keep escalating pressure on chara
looks like they genuinely scumread them

Do you think opposition means something in this context?

[Firebringer]

I guarantee you RR isn't scum. And he should be able to prove it by Day 3 with an unquestionable event.

So RR claimed to you that he is conf town basically on Day 3?
Isn't that exactly like Steven Universe 1?

Why the fuck are you buying that?

[Firebringer]

Don't dare you call me a dirty rolefisher.

I will have you know I showered today.

[Firebringer]

I guarantee you RR isn't scum. And he should be able to prove it by Day 3 with an unquestionable event.

So RR claimed to you that he is conf town basically on Day 3?
Isn't that exactly like Steven Universe 1?

Why the fuck are you buying that?

No, I'm not telling you what he claimed you dirty rolefisher.

We've discussed the details of his role and how best to use it. I know his trigger and when I expect it to happen. It's an ability, given that Mastina and Yume conftown, that scum cannot interfere with.

So fuck off. RR is town.

Haven't you been fishing all the aspects of my role too btw?
You at least haven't chastised me once for revealing aspects of it.

What a hypocrite.

[Firebringer]

I mean seriously... you've been doing the scum's bidding since go.

How am I supposed to trust you when you claim that similar situations to when RR was town should result in me scumreading them?

How am I doing the scums bidding, I asked you a question. You don't have to respond with "this is the role", you are only reading them as town for whatever claim they gave you, so thats a bad read imo.

Role =/= Alignment.
Especially in a varsoon game, will you stop trying to setup spec the game?
You should know better.

I also don't know what you mean about trusting me.

[Firebringer]

Their scumhunting is town.

Have I been in a daze, what scumhunting have they been really doing?
I feel like I haven't been seeing this at all.

[Firebringer]

Again, you're busy attacking my approach of the game since go, when it is unwarranted and you have been whenever I attack scum.

You've completely avoided engaging Klingon, who you should know by now is scum.

I have been ignoring Klingon?
I engaged with her during the pregame.

And I just recently said she is scum. Wtf you talking about?


And I have called you town this whole day, I disagree with you heavily on NC and RR but besides that we have many simllar reads. Can you not nitpick this stuff. I am not saying your are wrong about everything.

[Firebringer]

This wagon is jumped on by Creature, who by the fucking way is scum.

Why are you so hellbent on scumreading creature
Your push on Creature was so fucking weird I don't even understand how it materialised
Tell me what I'm missing

Seriously, this is still scummy.

[Firebringer]

Again, you're busy attacking my approach of the game since go, when it is unwarranted and you have been whenever I attack scum.

You've completely avoided engaging Klingon, who you should know by now is scum.

I have been ignoring Klingon?
I engaged with her during the pregame.

And I just recently said she is scum. Wtf you talking about?


And I have called you town this whole day, I disagree with you heavily on NC and RR but besides that we have many simllar reads. Can you not nitpick this stuff. I am not saying your are wrong about everything.

Really,

when I went after Creature, you said I was being mean and have constantly pushed this narrative that I'm overreacting and riduculous with Farside because you two cannot handle me being right.
Again with NC
Again with RR
Again with Cakey

You agree on Klingon but make zero action to vote there or try to work with me.

Your MO has been about how Yume and I are evil assholes rather than trying to work with us. You instead try to offer me shiny baubles which I'm only attempted to accept because I think you're scum.

You were being mean at the time with Creature, but why does that matter. Being rude doesn't invalidate any of your points. I have been rude as of lately, does that mean my points are?

Your right about my disagreements, what does that have to do with me "attacking" you? Jesus your definition of "work together" is basically I have to agree with you on everything and then vote with you. Stop it. I don't agree with everything you have said and probably will never.

I can't vote all my scumreads at once, it would require me have like 4 votes. Kling is scum lean for me, but she can wait.

Also, I have never said your an asshole. You are a nice person, who can get emotional, just like the rest of us. You have been openly hostile to me and you know what, I haven't been that nice to you either. I think you and I both need to approach other in a different way because what we are doing now is clearly not working.

Also, don't mention Yume pls.

This wagon is jumped on by Creature, who by the fucking way is scum.

Why are you so hellbent on scumreading creature
Your push on Creature was so fucking weird I don't even understand how it materialised
Tell me what I'm missing

Seriously, this is still scummy.

No that's the first fucking townie thing they've done in awhile.

Second, even if it was, it's a defense of scum.

Its scummy because the catch up is out of place. It implies that Kraska now has a townread of Creature that I never even picked up from before. When did she form that read in her catch up? I have no idea. But its implied in that.

It looks like fake scum catch up to me.

I don't know what you mean by second point.

[Firebringer]

Lol Titus stop pestering creature he's town

Lol Titus stop pestering creature he's town

Why? I don't respond to others telling me what to do. That's DOUBLY true for my scumreads. Why should I back off creature?

Why are you onto creature to begin with? i have a gut tr on Creature bc of his entrance posts
I'm fine with you pushing the slot for more content, but I think the way you're doing it now feels more like pestering than productive pressure

Nevermind on Kraska not townreading Creature.
Still don't understand it, but I guess it wasn't as scummy as I thought.

[Firebringer]

Dude, anything you say Firebringer will agree with but for lynching scum.

Titus.....I said it before Farside even mentioned it.

You...

I am actually sad at this.

[Firebringer]

"Terrible Justifications for Forced Reads, Insults at townreads, answering for others, self-meta"
All of that is standard town creature awkwardness/quirkiness

Haven't you only played one game with him?

[Firebringer]

Okay Titus, you clearly aren't interested in working together.

[Firebringer]

"Terrible Justifications for Forced Reads, Insults at townreads, answering for others, self-meta"
All of that is standard town creature awkwardness/quirkiness

Haven't you only played one game with him?

I think I've played 2
So? Point is ive seen enough to know this is a superficial scum read

Okay.
I was more meaning that meta reads are better with multiple experience, but I get your point.
I kind of think he is town too, but not as strongly as you seem to have on him.

[Firebringer]

Not like ull listen to me anyway so wtv

I read it.

I have creature as a town lean.
The only Questionable on the rr wagon to me is dgb.

get out of my mind.

[Firebringer]

"Terrible Justifications for Forced Reads, Insults at townreads, answering for others, self-meta"
All of that is standard town creature awkwardness/quirkiness

Haven't you only played one game with him?

I think I've played 2
So? Point is ive seen enough to know this is a superficial scum read

Superficial scumread? I went through and highlighted how every single post of his did NOTHING for town until he temporarily voted Cakey and it's a superficial read?

I think what she is trying to say was that you were scumreading him based of his playstyle, not by his motivations to undermine the town. You know not everyone acts to do stuff for town.

[Firebringer]

I think what she is trying to say was that you were scumreading him based of his playstyle, not by motivations to undermine the town. You know not everyone acts to do stuff for town.

Fixed

[Firebringer]

Yeah, and if they aren't doing stuff for town, they are scum unless proven otherwise. There's wrong but trying, and then there's doing nothing for town. Creature is the later.

Isn't it more appropriate to say if they aren't doing anything that they aren't town till proven town? Not that they are scum?

I mean theres a huge different between actively trying to achieve scum goals, and completely not doing anything. Not saying your wrong, of course I could be wrong its not a super strong read. I also don't understand why your read on that is so strong. Nor why Kraska is.

Its more "leaning' town for me.

Like the case you made looked more a case for him to be Null than scum.

[Firebringer]

Okay, wouldn't you really just say he is a scum lean not outright the same level as someone like Klingoncelt who is obviously faking reads?

[Firebringer]

Like I am willing to go on a Klingoncelt lynch right now with you Titus.
To "compromise" here.

[Firebringer]

Klingon isn't faking reads, because she hasn't stated any. (Which is still pretty much a scumclaim from Klingon.)

Kling has stated reads though.....


VOTE: Klingoncelt

[Firebringer]

Spoiler: Klingoncelt Reads

Anyone supports a scum!grapes?

I do.

OK, Yume is widely town read. WHY? Is it bc Mastina said so and people are assuming that's got to be based on INFO rather than a normal read? Or is it bc Yume confirmed Mastina as Town?? And if the latter, what would YOU have done were you scum and got invited to a hood where it says "X is Town"?? Would you have even thought of keeping it to yourself, IF YOU WERE SCUM?

Maybe my mind is skewed, but I'm thinking in reverse. I'd keep it to myself for the time being as TOWN and see how people are treating the one I know to be conf!Town. I'd go out and air it as SCUM for Town!Cred and -maybe- as a means to pass some message to my peers.

But to each their own, and I'm inclined to treat this one issue as NAI, which brings me back to the original question: WHY has Yume become semi-confirmed after Mastina put her at the top of her reads??

Unless the Mod says so, no one is "c" to any degree.

"Obv", on the other hand, is acceptable.

Anyway, most of us were Townreading Mastin. Obv.

Mastin has an above-average accuracy at reading other players.

She puts Yume at the top of her Town list.

Yume is therefore ObvTown.

So far my scummish pile is foxbird/shiro/klingon. They all feel like they're coasting and I haven't seen much from them that gives me any reason to think that they're trying solve the game at all.

Klingon is the worst because she's made the most posts and they've all been noise outside of a few bad questions and a forced SR on fire which doesn't feel like something she believes in.

VOTE: Grapes

Your white-knighting for Firebringer is noted.

And he is a Scumread.

Hey, Townies, my vote on Grapes is sheep-worthy.

Like here she makes a few reads.
Didn't go through her whole ISO, it was pretty empty of anything.

[Firebringer]

Saying conftown is conftown is not a read.

Supoorting a scumgrapes =/= having grapes as a scumread. Maybe there's a read in the last post. I got lost in pronouns.

But yeah, there's a dearth of information. We agree on the important things regarding Klingon, namely that they are avoiding the central conflicts.

Still want that neighborhood?

Okay......
So none of her reads are real. You said she didn't have a read. I think thats a bit different.......................

Are you just disagreeing to disagree?

And no, I don't want to neighbor with you anymore.

[Firebringer]

I'm down with that. You vote first.

Klingon isn't faking reads, because she hasn't stated any. (Which is still pretty much a scumclaim from Klingon.)

Okay.

Enough.

Varsoon, I'm sorry, but she does this shit every fucking game we're in and I'm done with it.

Titus

explain to everyone why you have to lie about me and my Day1 reads every goddamn game we're in.

I don't know why the fuck you're doing this, you owe me a fucking explanation.

And then you should replace out.

Really really really scummy.

[Firebringer]

Okay, wouldn't you really just say he is a scum lean not outright the same level as someone like Klingoncelt who is obviously faking reads?

What the hell are you talking about?

I only have a handful of reads, and they certainly aren't fake, much less "obviously" fake.

Jeez, FB, try to look even more Scummy.

They really don't, you talk to me in a way that you don't really see me as a scum suspect and your explanation of your meta read is both false and untrue in its application. We have had quite a few games since that MFM yet you say that's only way you read me? That must mean you scum read me every game. Which isn't true.

[Firebringer]

Fun fact for everyone who read Klingoncelt AtE and thought "ohh she is so frustrated with Titus that's town"
She did the ducking exact same thing to me in Soccer Spirrits to guilt trip me into not voting her, said "it feels like you always lynch me" so on and so forth but hardcore.

Guess her alignment in that game?
Fucking scum.

Lynch her now

[Firebringer]

I don't see almost as scum, please enlighten.

[Firebringer]

Kind of leaning town on Shiro now.

[Firebringer]

They try to paint me as big bad Titus.

Can you list any games for this?

[Firebringer]

Part of me wants to start a wagon on Master Shiro because he talks to me more than he posts in here.
But I also think he might be town that just wants to chat with me.

I am divided on Shiro. Shiro needs more gifs to prove his townieness

I thought Shiro was a "she."

Shiro is what you want Shiro to be

Firebringer wants Shiro to be his best friend.

omg guys.............


It happened:

[Firebringer]

KTS want to ally, I'll give you a vig

[Firebringer]

i think all those people excluding yume are higher kill Janice targets than KTS

[Firebringer]

Actually I may just give it to shiro.

[Firebringer]

What if we lynched almost today?

[Firebringer]

What if we lynched almost today?

You unvote Klingon, we are voting NC. Almost is town.

NC is town too.

[Firebringer]

Shiro you couldn't even shoot almost because he is protected by our alliance group right now.

[Firebringer]

Titus can you give me your thoughts on Almost ? I am really certain that I am right.
His avoidance to explain what I ask is really telling. His nonsensical acussation just as much (derailing his thought process ???? Like whaaa?)

I agree with Creature being scum Sheeping you. He took a similar awkward position with RR. Creatures jumps are terrible and almost doesn't seem fake at all.

Creature isn't scum either

[Firebringer]

What if we lynched almost today?

You unvote Klingon, we are voting NC. Almost is town.

NC is town too.

Based on what?

Based on me hacking it's account and reading role pm

[Firebringer]

Titus can you give me your thoughts on Almost ? I am really certain that I am right.
His avoidance to explain what I ask is really telling. His nonsensical acussation just as much (derailing his thought process ???? Like whaaa?)

I agree with Creature being scum Sheeping you. He took a similar awkward position with RR. Creatures jumps are terrible and almost doesn't seem fake at all.

Creature isn't scum either

And let me guess you townread Cakey too?

No I don't

[Firebringer]

I am going to ask Varsoon if I can give my stuff to people in the joy ride.

[Firebringer]

What if we lynched almost today?

You unvote Klingon, we are voting NC. Almost is town.

NC is town too.

Based on what?

Based on me hacking it's account and reading role pm

Dude, your hacking skills suck if that's the case. You hacked the wrong account.

Well you need to change your password something other than "swordfish"

[Firebringer]

I promised at beginning of day I wouldn't lynch within my joy ride

[Firebringer]

I promised at beginning of day I wouldn't lynch within my joy ride

Who is your joy ride?

Read beginning of day post it was announced to everyone

[Firebringer]

Look, fire what's your solution here? Lynching scum together or keeping a promise to scum? Unless klingon takes off, I don't see how we can do both.

I didn't make the promise to scum I made it explicitly because the neighborhood is safe from most kills so it's perfect for sorting to make a town pool. If you aren't sure about someone in the hood I suggest getting an invest to clear them.

Cakes would be good target for potential cop over a day one lynch.

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Reasonably Rational
Since Klingon isn't happening

[Firebringer]

Willing to give a gun to anyone who will shoot titus n1

[Firebringer]

I have totally forgot about xkyfu and cooldog

[Firebringer]

Willing to give a gun to anyone who will shoot titus n1

So you will willingly give scum a gun? Fuck off fire. This is why I cannot trust you.

I prefer to fuck on.

[Firebringer]

If you were a captain of a ship at this point I would rally a mutiny on the grounds of you trying to sink the boat

[Firebringer]

Okay titus I'll make you a deal. I will follow you on anyone fucking wagon you want for the day on this condition.
If you are wrong, which I am 100% you are. You got shot by the person I give a gun too.

Sound fair?

[Firebringer]

Okay titus I'll make you a deal. I will follow you on anyone fucking wagon you want for the day on this condition.
If you are wrong, which I am 100% you are. You got shot by the person I give a gun too.

Sound fair?

You give the gun to RR. Just for the poetic justice.

And I will go for that.

Now you want me to give a gun to my scum read?

[Firebringer]

It probably is single all, I am guessing 5-6 scum team with possible SK but doubtful

[Firebringer]

Faction wise I don't know how you make two scum groups from this flavor wise.
Unless you split home world factions by gem allegiance.

I see it as just home world vs Earth, with possible SK of Jasper

[Firebringer]

Actually jasper being against home world wouldn't make sense much in flavor either I think.

[Firebringer]

No really I don't Farside. Your Snarky read has been there since he pushed you.
The argument you made on grapes is bop not meta. The argument grapes posted makes sense because it is correct and valid. You don't like it, so you search in your head for a reason not to. It's what you're doing here.

Look to work with people. I justified with information from the hood at major expense to our plans to justify my read on rr. You won't justify anything beyond confbias. You keep claiming I ignore you after I highlight there's nothing there but confirmation bias.

180 on reads that so closely match Mastina when we agree to lynch Cakey isn't natural. You should explain it.

You just like grapes post because he's following your read of nc.
Snarky read and read on was crap.
He's lurked since then.
You think that shot is town?
Fuck that shit.

Fire give me that gun after all.

The urge to shoot Titus is strong.

[Firebringer]

I like people saying I am frustrating, goals accomplished

[Firebringer]

I am probably going to talk more in there [joy ride]
It's free from the crazy.

[Firebringer]

almost, Klingon, and someone else can be town.

Rest of you are scum.

Klingon is not town, wtf you getting that from.

[Firebringer]

I am bored of this game, lets all just watch adventure time.

[Firebringer]

Fire can attest that I started saying stuff before that in the PT and also I made the remark about mastin which was a misundestanding.

I attest

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Almost50
Not liking the recent changes in tone with Almost and him in the PT.

[Firebringer]

almost you are really seeming scummy at this point.

[Firebringer]

Ugh.
Hating mafia right now.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Can we lynch this one pls?

[Firebringer]

no kling is town

id bet my whole mafia career she isn't.
Like straight up.

[Firebringer]

go quietly into the sunset, knowing my job here is done.
hbu?

[Firebringer]

I'd bet my whole mafia career one of you two is going to look really naive when KC flips.

i never feel naive.
stupid, maybe.
Naive no.

[Firebringer]

You should disrespectuflly disagree.
Call DGB fat or something.

[Firebringer]

Shiro you need to be more rude.

[Firebringer]

RR needs rope tomorrow, I don't see them getting lynched today but seriously needs rope in day 2 or 3

[Firebringer]

Lynch kling then lynch rr, titus will get vigied I hope, then we will be rocking this game

[Firebringer]

Lynch the scumkelt

[Firebringer]

Fire, you kept claiming scum, why shouldn't we lynch you?

I mean if you want a curated scum lynch sure.
But let's role dice on kling

[Firebringer]

I was the first one to note that sky bird was likely Connie, what the fuck guy talking about almost

[Firebringer]

I was the first one to note that sky bird was likely Connie, what the fuck guy talking about almost

If you outed her in public, you're scum too. Period.

And only scum deal in absolutes.

I totally did too, read the thread dummy

[Firebringer]

Does alliance in that context mean that Skybird can talk to the player who has role card of Steven Universe?
I am guessing that makes Skybird "Connie".

[Firebringer]

You refuse to acknowledge your bias.
We can't all be happy.

Pot, kettle, black.

I'm much much less bias then Titus.

Thats not saying much.

[Firebringer]

I'm totally making only one scum read with a number of people in this game next time and doing nothing more.
It's apparently town to do.
In fact I'm officially lurking this game day till it ends.

Welcome to the apathy club.

[Firebringer]

I find it odd cakez said I was trying in science, I thought I half assed that game

[Firebringer]

Wow

[Firebringer]

This is why I hate my role I would have shot cakes for that comment but I cant

[Firebringer]

So dgb claimed scum and your not doing anything?

[Firebringer]

This game sucks, we need like hookers and blackjack or something.
Actually forget the game.
Lets get hookers and blackjack.

[Firebringer]

Yume wanna ally

Nobody wants me today

You lose my friendship if you do that.

[Firebringer]

Not sure about FB who is like a hurricane,

I am more like a wrecking ball

[Firebringer]

I need someone to raise the stress up pls.
Scum use a power or something.

Or mastin or w/e.
I need stress higher.

[Firebringer]

I feel like the chance there is scum in my neighborhood is pretty decent now.

[Firebringer]

The joy ride alliance is officially terrible, its a echo chamber of reads.

Farside now thinks I am scum with Shiro and Snarky.

Done with posting in there.

@Varsoon Can I just leave the alliance?

[Firebringer]

The joy ride alliance is officially terrible, its a echo chamber of reads.

Farside now thinks I am scum with Shiro and Snarky.

Done with posting in there.

@Varsoon Can I just leave the alliance?

That's because you just say gut and want to town read them.
I've even asked you about snarky in a game you modded, which you just ignored.

I haven't seen Snarky be that active in other games. I saw him modding, but I have no idea if he just busy or isn't interested in the game.

Lurking isn't a scum tell for everyone and 1 game isn't good enough to get a idea of someones style.

Why don't you vote me if you think I am scum with those two?
Ill join it.

[Firebringer]

I SUPPORT A FIREBRINGER LYNCH 2016

[Firebringer]

The joy ride alliance is officially terrible, its a echo chamber of reads.

Farside now thinks I am scum with Shiro and Snarky.

Done with posting in there.

@Varsoon Can I just leave the alliance?

If I was a frequent user of the F word; my reaction would've been "F YOU AND

WHOEVER PICKED TO JOIN THAT EVENT!

"

Yeah, fuck that guy.
Hard.

Fuck him hard.

[Firebringer]

If I am a lying, I a must be scum.
Vote me.

[Firebringer]

is you claiming to be scum, then getting annoyed when you ARE read as scum!!

That isn't why Farside is reading me as scum and you know it.

[Firebringer]

is you claiming to be scum, then getting annoyed when you ARE read as scum!!

That isn't why Farside is reading me as scum and you know it.

Regardless! WHY do you care about the REASON as long as you are SCUM READ?

I don't care if people scumread me based on my stupid joke.

I care when Farside makes up this stupid reason that I am scum. That I am associated with both Snarky and Shiro,

and before we even have one flip of either of them. I am a teammate of them

.

Like fuck off, you don't know shit

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Sir Cakez

[Firebringer]

shut up with your dumb ate stuff I dont bother reading it and no one cares. if u feel like ur losing you're mind go away. Your insanity would probably cure my own, and I don't need to be sane at the moment. Insanity is the key to life with a different perspective on how to use it, much like anything else.

u smell

[Firebringer]

The more I think about this game the more I think that Almost is scum and Cakez is also scum but on a different team.

[Firebringer]

Ok, let's make it official: Do you, or don't you want to get lynched in order to win? I'm asking you right here and now in public under everyone's sights. DO YOU WANT TO GET LYNCHED?

My win condition isn't that I must get lynched to win.
My win conditiion isn't that I must survive to the end.
My win condition isn't to see someone else get lynched.
My win condition isn't to see the town lose.

That help?

[Firebringer]

Maybe I am on the wrong wagon here.
With RR on this.....

I am not liking this.

[Firebringer]

Stop trolling and do something useful Firebringer. Short of a day use investigative, have you

ever

seen a more obvious and solid scum case on day one?

I didn't think so.

Plz stop trolling. Kthxbye.

Love, Drixx

What solid case?
Its day 1.

What are you talking about?
I am not even trolling right now.

[Firebringer]

I think its strikingly weird you agree with the case on Cakez, when its made by Mastin who you already say you disagree with.

What makes them right about Cakez but wrong about you? You just say she is wrong about it. You don't contemplate a real thing that most town players do when a person reads them wrong. That the chance is that other of their reads are likely also wrong.

[Firebringer]

dont make me daygun you fire

ill give you one if you promise to do it.

[Firebringer]

Well I need us to raise stress first.
Also ally me.

[Firebringer]

Mastin didn't make a case on sircakez. She said he's doing a vague thing, which she also accused our slot of doing(which we know to be an inaccurate portrayal of our play). I went through his iso and actually identified MULTIPLE suspicious things he was doing beyond her vague handwavey suspicions.

I am pretty sure that isn't true.

[Firebringer]

Posts like these make me think SC is TOWN. I don't care if his reads are accurate or not. It's the fact that he has a DYNAMIC read list that is moving rapidly with every update. To me; scum (and scum!SC to be precise) have an almost static read list and try to move 2-3 names at most just to make it look like they're doing something.

Yeah, bullshit.

SirCakez's reads are changing, yes, but they've changed to fit the pushes of other players. His reads are being tailored to fit the reads of most players: there's no "stick-out" reads. There's no reads that are stubborn defiance of all logic. All of his reads are convenient. All of his reads are easy. Now, that in of itself wouldn't make him scum! Some players just get beaten to the punch, and would have given those reads regardless. But that's just the thing:

SirCakez

isn't

pushing.
There's no aggression from him.
There's no real attempt to do anything beyond surface-level "scumhunting", to look good.
He is putting in just enough to put on a show. And nothing more. No hard, firm defenses, no hard, firm attacks, this in spite of him

agreeing with me

on RR about that, when he is guilty of it himself just as much if not MORE than RR. He's not bringing up his own reasons. He's just reflecting those of others. He's not adding. He's just restating.

No attempt to solve the game.
No attempt to unify the town.
No attempt to take control of the game.

He's content to sit in the background and let the town just go at it, largely as we have been, because we keep on arguing with each other and getting distracted by the shiny while also lacing venom into our words about one another.
If he were actually town, he'd be doing the same thing I am: planting his foot down and trying to get it to stop.

This was handwavey?

[Firebringer]

Also, how exactly are you privy to our private thoughts? Perhaps you don't know this, but the chance that she's wrong is the EXACT reason why I do the footwork myself to check whether or not someone's suspicions are justified instead of just sheeping people.

Thats the impression I get from your posts.

I don't know everything your thinking, I can only base what I know from what you say and interpret from there.

[Firebringer]

I thought you guys scumread me?
Why do you care what I think of your SC case?

[Firebringer]

Furthermore, just ISO Firebringer for yourself ... I rest my case. Something's WAY off on that slot, and it hasn't gotten any better (apart from him dropping the nasty attacks, but I credit that to Varsoon's intervention).

Like this and your previous post doesn't add up to me.
Do you think I am town or scum?

[Firebringer]

Wait that was Drixx.
Meh

[Firebringer]

Cakez who would you have us FoS on your flip?
Obviously saying your town on flip.

[Firebringer]

If I am a lying, I a must be scum.
Vote me.

K

VOTE: Firebringer
But the game won't be the same without you

The game would probably extremely improve without me.
The frequency of AtE would decrease sharply by 80%

[Firebringer]

Hey, ATEs are what I love about this game

So whats your reads anyways DGB?
You have been silent all game pretty much.

[Firebringer]

Pedit: DGB is useless and does nothing, I wouldn't waste my time on asking her anything if I were you.

Wow.
Thats low.

So what would you suggest I waste my time on.
I am sick in bed.

[Firebringer]

Yume even helped by reigniting the wagon. Everyone helped.

Your giving me reasons to jump ship here.

[Firebringer]

SU requires the feels.

It is a pretty good show.

[Firebringer]

Psst kling your supposed to be faking a scum read on me

[Firebringer]

That's very kind of you

[Firebringer]

I"m liking RR a lot now

Is it their dashing charm that got you?

[Firebringer]

hey give me more attention I'm sick too

im just kidding get better fire

Want a ball?
*throws a ball*

Go get it!

[Firebringer]

listen here you slimy fuck I'll have u know I have over 300 confirmed

Balls?

[Firebringer]

Obi Wan Titus is town

I came to this conclusion pretty early.

[Firebringer]

Allying people was so day one.
I think I am just gonna solo it from here on.