STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Almost50]

I have yet to even read, but here's an important reminder:

Now you're standing there tongue tied
You'd better learn your lesson well
Hide what you have to hide
And tell what you have to tell
You'll see your problems multiplied
If you continually decide
To faithfully pursue
The policy of truth

[Almost50]

I submitted an ally-request with FB's name in it before I even read anything. I guess I can resubmit with a different name now. The problem is -although I've played with most of you before- there are only a handful of people whom I could actually have a decent read on in early game. I mean, FB is about the ONLY one I'm CONFIDENT I can read on D1. I like to think DGB too.. hell, that's not even a handful!

Suffice it to say, if you think you need an ally; I'm open to the idea. Just don't expect me to confide in you so easily. Oh, and DO NOT CLAIM YOUR ROLE OR FLAVOUR TO ME in the PT if we are allies. If anything bad should happen to you, I don't want to be a suspect in the dead thread too!

[Almost50]

Almost I think I have default townread you in every game I played with you, which I think worked out?

Yeah, except the one were we both were scum together and you had to fake it!

I mean, we do get along, so you were my pick for an ally, but I was late and you had a better option.. *Shrug*

[Almost50]

if you're town, your ally claiming their role/flavour to you can only be helpful, Almost50. mind telling me why you feel so strongly about this?

Because:

1- Scum have been provided with GOOD fake claims already. It's in the rules. I don't want to end up town reading my ally and spelling my guts to them when they're in fact SCUM.

2- They'd expect me to do teh same, which -again- I don't want to do in case I', reading them wrong.

Ask Cerb. He'll tell you what happened in the last VARSOON game we played, where KC totally fooled me, Nahdia fooled both Cerb & ABR, and we ended up massacred by the scum team for having wrong reads and sharing secrets with them.

[Almost50]

Someone ally with me....?

I'm game if that's still open (haven't read beyond the post I'm responding to). I don't think I've seen scum!you before though

[Almost50]

So.
I know that Varsoon specifically told us, "don't claim".
But, goddammit, Varsoon.
If you're gonna tell us that claiming is going to get us punished...

...Don't give us roles where NOT claiming is even MORE punishable.
So, uh.

In simplest terms:
The good news is, I actually am town this game.
The bad news is, I don't appear to be town.

I shouldn't claim more than that, but...
...Dammit, I want to. I WANT TO CLAIM. Because it's in my nature to do so, yet I can't.

I'll say this much though:
Deja vu.
As in,

serious

deja vu.
De.ja. vu.

I can claim no more.

Woot??? NO TRIVIA??

[Almost50]

So.
I know that Varsoon specifically told us, "don't claim".
But, goddammit, Varsoon.
If you're gonna tell us that claiming is going to get us punished...

...Don't give us roles where NOT claiming is even MORE punishable.
So, uh.

In simplest terms:
The good news is, I actually am town this game.
The bad news is, I don't appear to be town.

I shouldn't claim more than that, but...
...Dammit, I want to. I WANT TO CLAIM. Because it's in my nature to do so, yet I can't.

I'll say this much though:
Deja vu.
As in,

serious

deja vu.
De.ja. vu.

I can claim no more.

are you undead risen slave or miller

She's an individual Vampire! Even after she flips you'd still be wondering until you see an Isolationist's win con!

[Almost50]

The ONLY thing that people should claim at this point is negative utility. Anything else is just fucking stupid; plain and simple.

I agree. So, I'm a PGO .. Oh, dang!! I've already used THAT more recently. OK. As you where!

[Almost50]

would your ally claiming to you really make you trust them that much?

You obviously don't know how much skill is within this player list

I also have soft spots for some, so there's that too.

As for no claiming to them in response to their claim to me, that would make them more suspicious of me for no reason at all.

I mean, consider this: You & I are allies with our own PT, and you tell me your role and/or flavour, and I don't. If you're town nobody can wrong you for growing suspicion on me. If you're scum, you'd be more inclined to off me ASAP for fear of (a) me being a strong PR being the reason I won't claim, or (b) me catching you in a lie later on.

So, the optimal play for me is if I was in a PT with a mod-confirmed Townie (say, an IC who has the option to confirm themselves in the PT if so they wished), or -at least- someone I think I can read well.

[Almost50]

Oh.
I just read a clause in my role PM.

Yeah, I'm not allowing anyone to ally with me, ever.
There's something in there that I missed before, which now that I've read, has rendered any chance of me ever having interest in allying gone.
The power I have is a massive boost to scum but useless to town, so I am NOT giving it away, ever.

The mod who complains that people missed a semicolon in their PM and/or flavor story.. manages to miss a whole clause in her own role PM??

[Almost50]

I'm still open for allying, I wanted to ally with Mastin but that's out the window now.
Almost bby want to ally?

Sure, why not! It's a BIG gamble on my part, I know (bc .. you know .. in the majority of games we were of opposite alignments), but a very good player IMHO and if you're town here then we rock!!

I'll submit the request right now

[Almost50]

So, someone who knows how to read SC with any precision tell me: Am I now blessed or have I just dug mine and the town's graves??

[Almost50]

Ok.. I have most of you at NULL still, so there's that. I'm struggling to see how some players are already making read lists (Mastina even provided a full list!!!!).

OK, let me be specific: Why are .. (a) grapes getting globally town read, and (b) RR getting globally scum read?

[Almost50]

why is grapes not very towny to you, and why is Rational not scum to you?

Not only have you not provided an ANSWER to my question, but you're trying to bounce it back on me???!!!

I said I have NULL reads on MOST players. For example, I don't see a single scummy (or townie) thing Cerb/Drixx have posted. I don't see why they are HEAVILY scum read by the majority. I could also ask Mastina why YOU are at the very bottom of her read lists, but I went for the two GLOBAL READS for starters.

Now you do realize this is still the PREQUEL phase, and "trollers" would be more inclined to troll even more since the game is still warming up phase (I look at it as the practice session in formula One races). Also the lazy lurkers will be even more lurky at this point. That aside, nobody has yet done much (I say "done" because I'd probably rely more of action that speech in these kinds of games, meaning if you scum read someone heavily but do not actually vote and push them that strong then I'd be linking you both rather than disassociating you.)

Now, let me repeat my question: WHY is grapes town to you, and why is the RR slot scummy? and -and this is a bonus for you- why am

I

scummy?

[Almost50]

and it was for everyone

Yes, it was, and you are an integral part of "everyone". You still didn't answer.

have you not considered that there's plenty of alignment indicative content to be found?

Maybe, or maybe not. If there are.. YOU STILL HAVE NOT POINTED THEM OUT!

[Almost50]

mastin2 is confirmed town. That is all.

Any particular reason(ing)?

[Almost50]

in particular using an ability on that was wasteful as it was concluded it was a joke.


~lycan

Maybe the user submitted their investigation while they were skimming/catching up, thus weren't aware of the fact it got refuted a few posts later. I'd say "once a day" is right though, as with most investigative roles.

I'm contemplating on giving them something explicit like "I'm Town aligned" to get them to write me off as scum, but I don't want to consume their one-shot per day either.

Anyway, it's out there for them to decide to check or not: I'm Town aligned. There!

[Almost50]

i mean you could have not just blind allied just cause it seemed like the cool thing to do.

It's not an ally.
It's permanent.
Game-long power.

Now if you don't mind, I'd like to keep at least some facets of my role private until it's flipped so don't prod me further on this.

It'd be ironic if you -of all- turned out to be Steven, given that you're also a Miller.

Steve(n) Miller

[Almost50]

my memory can be very bad. this excludes Almost50, who i am aware of.

I feel special! Then again, I do tend to be one of those unforgettable characters!

[Almost50]

OK, so Mastina AND Titus are pushing Not Chara. I guess this is the best sheep I could ever commit to in this game!

VOTE: Not Chara

Of course this could be called opportunistic, and could also be labelled OMGUS, so would be perfect to comply with beeboy's request to "do more things". Switch off the main lights please and put me on the focus of the spotlights for a while!

[Almost50]

Oh, and in case it isn't clear: NC already voiced their suspicion of me, so OMGUS readily exist on my part. As for opportunism, I have never voiced my suspicion of them either, so my jump on their wagon is unwarranted it seems.

Come one, people.. put some pressure on me.

[Almost50]

yes i am garnet the innocent child

Well, I hope you know what you're doing claiming both role and flavour!!!

[Almost50]

Especially after calling creature "perfect null" and then putting him not in the nullpile. (see 934)

I disagree with like... 90% of that. grapes / farside are like nullscum at least. Creature is a lot more town, xkyfu is pretty town, Obi is pretty town.

VOTE: SirCakez

You have some weird reads yourself. I mean, just bc you're likely town doesn't mean I'm going to agree with those reads.

Would you kindly explain why Xk is "pretty town" (I have him at Null), and why farside is nullscum (I have her as strong town). The only read we can agree on is Obi being pretty town.

[Almost50]

yes i am garnet the innocent child

@Varsoon - confirm please?

Since when does the IC get confirmed on the request of ANOTHER player? Besides, if the IC of the previous game could only be confirmed on D5, what makes you think they could be confirmed on D1 in this game?

[Almost50]

Varsoon

Can you confirm Almost50 is town?

??? Are.. are you claiming .. the LIE DETECTOR??!!!!!! GAWD, I hope NOT! I mean, what's with people crumbing and/or outright claiming in a game we've been explicitly warned against doing so??

Hell, even if you had a death wish, wouldn't it have been better for you to wait a few RL days to see who would vote you/me and for what reasons before you outed yourself, and confirmed me in the process???

On the other hand, if this is another one of those tricks, do you realize how scummy it makes you look??

[Almost50]

Almost50: we have not been warned against claiming, but we have been warned against relying on flavor to try and solve the game.

I took this to be a "don't claim or you could be punished for it"

Furthermore, I have given scum measures to punish players who are attempting to flavor-game the setup.

Claim flavor at your own risk

.

[Almost50]

I sense too many people following others reads.

Me too, tbh. Once too lists are posted with X is town and Y is scum; the following few are building on it as if it was mod-confirmed.

[Almost50]

Or...

Or.

Maybe when more than one person sees something. Might mean there's something there.

Maybe, but that's not how it seems to be. Try asking the 4th of 5th person to place X in the town pile and/or Y in the scum pile and see if you have a convincing argument.

[Almost50]

OK, Yume is widely town read. WHY? Is it bc Mastina said so and people are assuming that's got to be based on INFO rather than a normal read? Or is it bc Yume confirmed Mastina as Town?? And if the latter, what would YOU have done were you scum and got invited to a hood where it says "X is Town"?? Would you have even thought of keeping it to yourself, IF YOU WERE SCUM?

Maybe my mind is skewed, but I'm thinking in reverse. I'd keep it to myself for the time being as TOWN and see how people are treating the one I know to be conf!Town. I'd go out and air it as SCUM for Town!Cred and -maybe- as a means to pass some message to my peers.

But to each their own, and I'm inclined to treat this one issue as NAI, which brings me back to the original question: WHY has Yume become semi-confirmed after Mastina put her at the top of her reads??

[Almost50]

I also don't know what your scumreads are. Work on that.

To be frank, neither do I.

i have tons of TOWN reads (of varying strengths) but when it comes to identifying scum I don't have a single strong scum read. The closest to resembling a scum read at all is Not Chara and that's why I'm voting it right now. I could name like 10-12 players that I'm -more or less- null on, but that's as good as it gets thus far.

[Almost50]

I'll give you a little peek into my thoughts while we're at it (this is a rare incident):

At one point I thought SS was the lie detector. The "event" happened close enough to him catching up, so I thought it to be a good chance he was the one. I immediately moved him from Null to a slight town read (bc I had no way to confirm he IS the LD). Anyway, later on Creature did his stunt and seemed like claiming LD himself, and I'm left with big question marks at best. Is Creature for real?? Why would he do that if he is? Or did he notice what I did and is trying to cover for SS? And if so, what means of communications do they have together that guarantees such a stunt just doesn't backfire?

Of course, I could be far off and maybe neither of them is the lie detector. I seem to be missing lots, even about my own role. For example, I don't even know why I thought I was about to get confirmed. The fact is it says up there that the event I'm in (Joy Ride) prevents me from using my powers on anyone outside of it, and protects me from being affected by powers of those outside of it. How could I have missed THAT?

Oh, well.. if anyone has been town reading me based on me proclaiming town earlier; feel free to retract and reconsider. Obviously Scum!Me would've been paying much more attention and would have known a Lie-Detect action would not work on them, so I could've very well faked it with this intention! (Except I didn't, but I'm just saying that I could have if I were scum).

I feel like I've rambled enough already, but I'm sitting here waiting for my brother to show up so we can go to a family dinner at my other brother's place, and waiting on someone who is running late just irritates me, so I'm not even going to reread what I just typed.

[Almost50]

Almost50: i didn't notice Creature hinting at being the lie detector anywhere.

I wouldn't call it hinting either. This was more of a blatant outright claim to me:

Varsoon

Can you confirm Almost50 is town?

[Almost50]

Also, FTR:

I was in Varsoon's last game, and I was a Town Vig. The only way I could actually kill someone is if I knew/guessed their FLAVOUR name right. (that's why I immediately too the "claim at your own risk" bit as a warning, and especially since he said "I've given SCUM means to punish ..." which makes me thing a scum killer would be able to use our flavour names to kill us).

Also, the way my role worked in that game was day AND night (just not on consecutive phases). By day I'd have to submit the action coupled with the player name in thread, and PM him with the flavour name guess, and if they match then it's a kill.

By night, all would be submitted via PM, so considering the prequel worked as a night phase I figured that's why the LD didn't have to submit their action in thread (IF it was Creature).

Right now though, I do NOT think Creature is the LD, simply because he wouldn't be dying to out himself, and because I now remember my ability was on non-consecutive phases, so I'm inclined to think the LD has a similar restriction.

[Almost50]

If any of my townreads are down. Would like a new ally.

I guess I can give it a shot. SC has not been talking much to me so far, and it feels like my first episode alliance with him didn't even help me get a more confident read about him

I had thought of him to be town based on the very fact he requested to ally with me. I'm usually suspicious of him bc whenever we play in the same game we're of different alignments. This has been the case in most of our previous games together and it lead me to always be suspicious of him, so wanting to be in a PT with me I thought meant he was town for sure.

But the lack of communication in that PT is starting to worry me. I have yet to check beyond this post I'm responding to to see if he had been posting in this game at all.

[Almost50]

OK. I'm at the bottom of page 49; and I have 3 things (ok, 2 now) I wanted to mention before I forgot:

1- farside voting SC hit me as a surprise. I had just read a full read list in which SC was town. What gives?

2- grapes explaining that negative utility is like .. blowing it over? I actually had to go reread my own role PM in search of a bonus that I might've missed, and I don't see anything I could gain from having an ally, so I guess I'm still down to ally with you if you want to. *Shrug*

3- This WAS a point I wanted to respond to, but it's changed now.

Spoiler:

At the time NC was responding to OWK telling them they're not confirmed, they happened to mention grapes in that post, only grapes had not been voting them yet.. just stated the intention to.

OWK clearly said 4 players VOTING, and I think they even mentioned them by name earlier. Even if they didn't, the VC tells you who is voting you, so to say OWK,grapes and Almost are not confirmed is a bit misleading to those who are not following closely, bc -if I wasn't on the wagon myself- I would've thought you meant THREE out FOUR are not conf!Town in your opinion, which is FALSE.

I hope I'm making myself clear. I often struggle to make my points. My point is OWK thinks 4/4 are conf!Town and arguing it. The response hints 3/4 are not, when in fact 2 voters have not been addressed bc they ARE conf!Town to the majority (Yume's not conf!Town to me still until Mastina elaborates on the subject). Furthermore, OWK themselves ARE conf!Town to the majority of players, so there were at least 3 conf!Town there no matter how you put it.

[Almost50]

Me allying with Grapes is a stupid idea.
Almost50 can confirm this.

Reminder:

Please do NOT refer to anything we talk about in the hood in public unless it's ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.
"Me allying with Grapes is a stupid idea." would have sufficed in this case.

[Almost50]

i give up.

that doesn't mean i'm going anywhere. i'll be here to talk all night. if SirCakez is scum then i'll buy OWK as town. out of my 'buddies', SirCakez is the one most likely to be scum. i don't even know if anyone is townreading him anymore. Rational could also be scum but honestly i'd rather see them investigated, or something. i'd say something snide about OWK at this point but i promised myself i wouldn't interact with them anymore.
i almost want to be lynched just to watch mastin, OWK, and grapes experience some form of online whiplash. for varying reasons, because mastin is town.

for the record, i don't think i'll be lynched today. those who have expressed support have already voted. there might be a few lazy stragglers/lurking scum who might join, but i don't see them reaching a majority. i'll see if i can't continue to put my foot in my mouth for the rest of the day, though.

town i am 95% sure on is Firebringer, farside, Yume, mastin, and Seraphim.
i am 100% certain there is a scum on my wagon. it's probably grapes. it could be grapes and OWK. it is... possibly Almost50, but if both grapes and OWK are scum i would not bet money on it.

VOTE: SirCakez

pedit: oh, fantastic. Cakez changed his read on me after one post while i was typing this. now this will look reactionary. because this game wasn't difficult enough.
Skybird, we aren't having a fight. grapes is scum. i outed that because they're scum and also because grapes was looking to ally with other town players.

This is town as fuck
Deal with it.

I strongly disagree. This is NAI at best. OMGUSing your entire wagon sucks. IF NC is town and IF there's scum on that wagon it'd be just one person, and then you'd have to figure out which one and what makes them scum.

[Almost50]

play like this is really only functioning as giving mastin a double-vote.

What's wrong with a double-vote at the hands of a (1) confirmed, (2) capable player? Heck, Skybird has a double-vote already, and nobody's complaining.

[Almost50]

If any of my townreads are down. Would like a new ally.

I guess I can give it a shot. SC has not been talking much to me so far, and it feels like my first episode alliance with him didn't even help me get a more confident read about him

I had thought of him to be town based on the very fact he requested to ally with me. I'm usually suspicious of him bc whenever we play in the same game we're of different alignments. This has been the case in most of our previous games together and it lead me to always be suspicious of him, so wanting to be in a PT with me I thought meant he was town for sure.

But the lack of communication in that PT is starting to worry me. I have yet to check beyond this post I'm responding to to see if he had been posting in this game at all.

Check back there

Oh, I did, and you're talking which is GOOD for a start

[Almost50]

Damn you fire.
We need to be on the same page here.
How about shiro

Fire DID comply! Fire DID vote McMenno, despite stating he thinks they're town. I didn't get your swift switch back to Cakez though. Like, WHO do you want to lynch FOR REAL??

[Almost50]

Hmm...
VOTE: SirCakez.

Yume, Almost50, rally to me.

grapes, this is a scumread of yours too, so you should come over here for a while.
I actually think we should be doing this instead.

I'm not sure we want to do this today. I mean, I could see it both ways, but I'm currently leaning on Cakez being town.

Also, we don't actually need to lynch inside the event. By definition, the 5 members of "Joy Ride" are on a separate mini-game tonight. They cannot affect other players outside of it, nor can they be affected by others, so I'd rather we were given proper chance to sort eachother out in there.

[Almost50]

fuck. i feel as though things are finally moving in a way i can actually affect, and i don't even think Cakez is scum anymore

That was a QUICK change of heart, mind you!

[Almost50]

I'm sorry everyone, I have the worst toothache imaginable and will not be doing shit with this game until it stops.

-Cerb

You have my sympathy.
You have my sympathy.
You have my sympathy.

[Almost50]

Titus, I want to hood with you two tomorrow, so we can yell at each other and figure shit out, hopefully.

Shut up! You're allying with ME tomorrow, you fire-spewing monster!

[Almost50]

I won't really detail the bonuses right now, but lets say basically everyone will want to ally me and having town allies is very good.

Erm.. ok.. I'll step down to #2 then. I only wanted to TALK to you in private, but i don't think I have anything worthy to offer back.

[Almost50]

Protect me for a free win~

I want a double-sized French Fries bag with lots of ketchup on it too!

[Almost50]

Its time to kick this game into overdrive.

@Varsoon Activate the Event:

Wait! WHAT?!
There's an event already going on, and you're on it!!

[Almost50]

VARSOON, MY TRIGGER EVENT HAS COME INTO PLAY! PLEASE ACTIVATE MY TRAP CARD!

FOR THIS PLANET IS UNTO ME, AND IF CAN'T DEFEND IT, WOE IS TO DONE TO ME!

Things are starting to get REALLY interesting!

[Almost50]

I am at NC Creature Cakez klingon CoolDog X, add DGB/Fire if wrong?

You telling me I put 2 (and a half) scum in my event?? Am I THAT bad??

Here's where I stand:

{

mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Yume, Farside22,

} << As good as mod-confirmed Town
{

killthestory, Firebringer, grapes,

} << Strong Town
{

Foxbird, Skybird,

} << Town
{

Sir Cakez, Xkyfu, CooLDoG, Reasonably Rational, McMenno,

} << Town Lean
{

SnarkySnowman,

} << Null-Town
{

Klingoncelt, Shiro, DrippingGoofball, randomidget, TheWayItEnds,

} << Null
{

Seraphim, Creature,

} << Null-Scum
{

Not Chara, kraskaesque,

} << Scum Lean
{

Nobody

} << Scum
{

Nobody

} << Strong Scum

Of the 4 below the null; kraskaesque seems like the odd one of the bunch, but they fit the "one in the non-voters" characteristic none-the-less.

I could see a Scum!Snarky, but that's only a dependent read, not exclusive, and if I wasn't hard town-reading Farside already I might've been tempted to link her with the scum team (my own perceived scum read; that is).

Obviously anyone in my NULL group could move either way if they decide to actually provide some real content, so there's that. It doesn't help that 3 of them are not even voting!

[Almost50]

Okay... Almost50, is it a stupid idea? Why?

Obviously bc grapes is a ROLEBLOCKER, and anyone with a night action doesn't want to be RB'd.

[Almost50]

Spoiler:

Part of me wants to start a wagon on Master Shiro because he talks to me more than he posts in here.
But I also think he might be town that just wants to chat with me.

I am divided on Shiro. Shiro needs more gifs to prove his townieness

I thought Shiro was a "she."

I'm sorry everyone, I have the worst toothache imaginable and will not be doing shit with this game until it stops.

-Cerb

Oh wow, get well soon!

Protect me for a free win~

Huh?

I want to ally with you Day 2.

You're a load of laffs.

Its time to kick this game into overdrive.

@Varsoon Activate the Event:

Wat?

Killthestory: i really hope you aren't actually an innocent child.

VARSOON, MY TRIGGER EVENT HAS COME INTO PLAY! PLEASE ACTIVATE MY TRAP CARD!

FOR THIS PLANET IS UNTO ME, AND IF CAN'T DEFEND IT, WOE IS TO DONE TO ME!

Wat?

WHAT do these 5 posts have to do with anything, except boosting KC's post count??

@KC:

Why did you feel the need to quote 2 posts and then add "Wat?" at the bottom of each quote? Why couldn't you have put them both in one post.. if you REALLY needed to respond to them in that manner in the first place?

[Almost50]

hey klinconcelt, rando, yume and twie... vote me you cowards

more coherent thoughts when I'm not phoneposting

possibly

Now you're sending my curiosity up to a maxima!

VOTE: McMenno

NOT that I want you lynched or anything, and my vote is still on NC in spirit, but I just want to see what comes out of this.

Knowing Varsoon I guess you may need to get voted by a certain number of players to get an event triggered or an ability enabled.

[Almost50]

That said, if you, farside, hope to get me out of the game by riling me up and getting me force replaced, that's not gonna work cos I have my neighbour/mason buddy to calm me down.

Yume, I may not know you that well, but I think I'm dealing with someone from the Frozen type??

If so, please read. If not.. just skip the post.

Spoiler:

You're CONFIRMED in THIS game, alright? This means you won't get lynched. You need to deal with it and come out blazing .. firing in all directions. You need not rely on Mastina's protection either, and you should have nothing to fear.

P.S. I know.. your reads may not be perfect and you're lacking self-confidence because of it. Well, here's the news for you: Not even the BEST players have a perfect read list in every game. I've seen Titus doing great and I've seen her doing less than that. The same goes for almost everyone else. Hell,

I

often confused and got misread by them great players, until they learnt to read me right. I was lynchbait when I started playing Mafia that my only wish was to live to see the sun on D3 in ANY given game at all!

To make a long story short: Just play and enjoy the game, and don't be afraid to make mistakes. It's just a game and we're all human after all.

[Almost50]

@Not Chara:

IF you somehow manage to make it to D3, I would like to be allied with you by then. It'd be nice to get a peek into that head of yours regardless of your alignment. Alternatively; if there's an upcoming game (a large, preferably themed) that you signed up to where you could use a hydra partner I'm game for that too. Just setup the hydra account and give me the password and we're rolling.

Thank you

[Almost50]

@Yume:

LOL
Not over the likes of Mastina and/or Obi for starters. Not over RR if they're town. I mean, there's a host of other players to be NK'd over the likes of me and you.

And, IF you get NK'd before said players then you were doing something EXTREMELY CORRECT that the scum team thought you were a bigger threat to them.

P-edit:

There you go. Titus phrased it even better.

[Almost50]

And a50 could ally farside.

I don't mind that either.

[Almost50]

I'd be more concerned as to why you didn't just put all your top townreads in.

This was NOT my read list at the time. I had to trigger the event in the prequel phase with a stress level of +1 or higher.

I considered both you and Mastina. Mastina said she had a negative utility that may hurt her allies,so I dropped her. You're in a hydra with beeboy, and quite frankly I didn't trust him to keep his mouth shut if he got pressured enough, excited enough or driven angry enough.

Next up I had to pick my top town read at the time: Firebringer. Then another 'slight' town read of mine (at the time) was farside who was getting global town reads including from you and Mastina, so I added her.

SirCakez was my 3rd pick due to the fact he had proposed to ally with me, and I took that to be a townie sign because of (previously explained), and then I checked Not Chara's read list, found CooLDoG on the top, and figured if NC was scum she would not put her scum buddy at the top of the list (besides I also had a slight town read on him, but you know I don't trust my early 'slight' reads anyway).

So that's how I ended up picking them 4

[Almost50]

Why are you townreading Xk?

In short, meta reasons. I find him more likely to be town with this play.

[Almost50]

lol Almost50, that list sucks

I get that a lot, especially on D1 (which is part of why I rarely ever provide read lists, but I'm trying to change that for the second game running).

[Almost50]

How Foxbird and Skybird are town?

I would rather not talk about these two for now until they've decided to grace us with more of their wisdom.

[Almost50]

Wagon of 6, contains 3 scumreads...

Let's just get McMenno to L-3 before we unvote him. I have seen it before (not in a Varsoon game though) that someone needed a certain amount of votes to get confirmed. )If I remember right, it was Frozen in an offsite game, and she needed to be voted by more than half the votes needed for a lynch to confirm her IC status). I simply want to know if this is the case (since McMenno asked to be voted) and if so then what exactly he gains from it.

[Almost50]

Almost50, your current vote makes me cry. Like tears coming down my face.

Can you vote NC again?

I explained it when I voted, and have just restated my reason with more details. My vote is still on NC in spirit, and if not enough votes come McMenno's way before I logout I will switch back anyway.

[Almost50]

SirCakez is scum. Reasonably Rational is also scum. They are the two guaranteed-scum players that if lynched would give us the most information. And by your logic...they're off-limits today.

How's RR off limits by MY logic? RR is not part of Joy Ride!!

[Almost50]

Okay I'm fucking done with this childish bullshit. Honestly, I could care less about the game or anything because it's so annoying.

Firebringer and Yume, you two

shut the fuck up. No one wants to hear you bicker, and its so childish and demeaning to the both of you. S t o p.

Not even in this thread, all threads. I'm probably beating a dead horse, but Jesus Christ the only thing I hate in Mafia is when people talk shit about others for out of game reasons. I play this game for fun, not to be an asshole

*Sigh*

I've been waiting for THIS kind of content from KTS to confirm he's town!!

Moving you up to top tier.

[Almost50]

Would there be a way to get me into an alliance with the entire scumpool?

Yeah. If someone had an event that let's them hand pick six players (I believe it's globally thought to be a 5-member scum team?? Plus you = 6 + the owner = 7 in total) AND they happened to know all the scum!! Piece of cake.

[Almost50]

Will respond to actual game content later

Who wants to play @midnight? Need 3 volunteers. It's a comedy game.

Don't mind if I do.

[Almost50]

OK, signing off..

VOTE: Not Chara

Update: RR moves up to a full town read.

Question: How sure are we that this is single-ball? I've only played one Varsoon game before, so I'm not on top of his mod-meta. I did (still do) play the game as if it was a single-ball, but then 5 scums vs 20 Town is a bit too low for my liking, so I'm thinking more like 6 scums maybe.

[Almost50]

1892 is a town post by Lycan. It's so town it merits a move of the kraskaesque slot from a scum lean straight to the town pile.

Spoiler:

I thought Shiro was a "she."

I'm sorry everyone, I have the worst toothache imaginable and will not be doing shit with this game until it stops.

-Cerb

Oh wow, get well soon!

Protect me for a free win~

[/size]

Huh?

I want to ally with you Day 2.

You're a load of laffs.

Its time to kick this game into overdrive.

Varsoon Activate the Event:[/size]

Wat?

Killthestory: i really hope you aren't actually an innocent child.

VARSOON, MY TRIGGER EVENT HAS COME INTO PLAY! PLEASE ACTIVATE MY TRAP CARD!

[/size]

FOR THIS PLANET IS UNTO ME, AND IF CAN'T DEFEND IT, WOE IS TO DONE TO ME!

Wat?

WHAT do these 5 posts have to do with anything, except boosting KC's post count??

@KC:

Why did you feel the need to quote 2 posts and then add "Wat?" at the bottom of each quote? Why couldn't you have put them both in one post.. if you REALLY needed to respond to them in that manner in the first place?

Is there something wrong in clarifying Shiro's gender?

I should ignore Cerb's pain and suffering?

I DO want to ally with KTS on Day2. He's a very interesting player, and he's good with reads - once he gets past loltrolling that is.

Where did KTS say he was an IC?

Firebringer and KTS both "activated" something. I should not react to that?


Every reply - every post I've made in this game is typical Klingoncelt. NAI.

You never had a problem with it before.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Oh, my! You're gifted, I'll give you that.


"

Is there something wrong in clarifying Shiro's gender?

"

No.

"

I should ignore Cerb's pain and suffering?

"

No.

"

I DO want to ally with KTS on Day2. He's a very interesting player, and he's good with reads - once he gets past loltrolling that is.

"

OK.

Now, why where these the posts that got your attention the most that you felt the need to respond to ocver other posts that are actually game-related? And WHY RESPOND IN SEPARATE POSTS just to add ONE word at the end of each. It LOOKS like you're posting, but you're not. A skim wuld make your ISO look like it has content, but a closer look reveals it was just as goods (NOT) BEFORE you posted this string of posts as it is afterwards.

"

Where did KTS say he was an IC?

"

Where did THIS come from? I mean, he did, and you're caught skimming, but -even worse- where did you get that from the posts quoted??

"

Firebringer and KTS both "activated" something. I should not react to that?

"

And your reaction is "Wat?" in both cases?? I think I should've responded with a "WOW!" myself as a reaction to your reaction.

"

Every reply - every post I've made in this game is typical Klingoncelt. NAI.

"

This alone is worrying me MUCH, bc you seem to be fully aware of you what you're saying/doing, but you're doing NOTHING productive to the game status.

"

You never had a problem with it before.

"

Probably because you had it mixed with some real content.

KC: A trolling post is OK. A couple are fine. A mix of game-related content and human communication/sympathy is very much welcome. A series of contentless posts with no game-related content is NOT.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Just trying to sort you out. Moving you down to scum-lean. Thank you very much. Please let the next candidate in on your way out.

[Almost50]

So does any of you players have any idea in what way scum can punish flavor claims? Scum rolecop or something else?

In THIS game; I have no idea. But -as I said before- I was a Town Vigilante in Varsoon's last game, and the only way I could kill was by knowing/correctly guessing the FLAVOUR NAME of my target.

[Almost50]

So you were voting Chara because you were sheeping mastin and Titus or because you had a mild scumread as you said later?

Neither! I voted her in anticipation of you deciding to do a catch up and point this out so I could get some scum reads.

[Almost50]

Vote:Almost

Guys, you should drop everything you were doing and lynch this.

Exactly! Remind me to nominate you for an award after the game is over, please.

[Almost50]

Xkfyu

Shiro

Reasonably Rational
possibly DrippingGoofball

Varsoon

Can you confirm Almost50 is town?

??? Are.. are you claiming .. the LIE DETECTOR??!!!!!! GAWD, I hope NOT! I mean, what's with people crumbing and/or outright claiming in a game we've been explicitly warned against doing so??

Hell, even if you had a death wish, wouldn't it have been better for you to wait a few RL days to see who would vote you/me and for what reasons before you outed yourself, and confirmed me in the process???

On the other hand, if this is another one of those tricks, do you realize how scummy it makes you look??

This seems fake as fuck.

Oh right, I missed this post, put him as possibly scum.

Okay

VOTE: Almost50

Somebody help me: What's the definition of distancing??

[Almost50]

Kind of leaning town on Shiro now.

What for?? Her cheap shot and bad push or her lack of contribution?

Shiro just literally showed up, picked someone at random, cherry picked a few posts (not even following the progress of them) and started to push the slot. She never took anything in context nor did she look at anyone else.

The ONLY benefit to her move was confirming Creature as scum to me.

[Almost50]

Hey almost50, Shiro isn't scum but Creature is. Creature is jumping on almost every wagon with a pulse but the scum ones.

How is what she just did "not scum"?? I'm just taking my time to figure which of the two I want gone today. They're both certainly worse than NC.

[Almost50]

at this time, i would not want to ally with you in this game. i'll let you know if something changes, but thank you for the offer.

Oh, I understand. That's why I offered the hydra alternative.

how does Almost Chara sound? :> i'm not terribly creative.

Almost Chara sounds good enough. As for the game, I have pre-in'ed for sometime and I have yet to hear back from the mod. I'll contact him and see if it's still on and let you know. Just make sure you get that hydra account ready (it's easier if YOU set it bc I had trouble with my Email registering this account, which is my one and only).

[Almost50]

@Shiro:

I'm not interested in your attempt to derail my line of thoughts, tbh. I play each and every game differently, and this one I decided to actually try and solve on my own and then compare my results -at the end of the game- to the likes of Titus, Mastina and RR. It's the only way I'm going to improve my scum hunting abilities. Thank you.

[Almost50]

waiting on the account being activated.

Almost, why are you explaining yourself to one of your top scumreads? in your own words, Shiro and Creature are worse than me.
and apologies if my skimming has caused me to miss the answer, but are you ever going to explain why they're worse?

I don't even know how to explain that. I have a stronger scum read on them than I do on you currently. Like, Creature put Shiro in a 4-person scum team at one page and sheeped her on the very next page. There was nothing "in between" to merit a change of his read on her what-so-ever, and I -for one- would be VERY wary of joining my own scum read on a wagon when there's no good reason and nobody else voting (that somebody else should be a strong town read AND have provided a good case for me to follow).

You think Creature didn't see what Shiro saw? That's still bad enough. He's NOT scum hunting, but waiting for "someone else" to present a case (regardless of how good/bad that case is) to just hop on.

As for Shiro and her weak sauce of a case: I voted you as a slight scum read, sheeping two extremely strong players whom I have extremely strong town reads on. I don't see the contradiction here bc these are not mutually exclusive reasons. I did have a scum read on you, but it wasn't strong enough and I wasn't ready to present a case. We had time (and still do) so there was no need for me to just stick my vote on you and wait for something to happen. But when Mastina and Obi both decided to start that wagon I felt inclined to join it. I had no reason "not to" and I had more confidence in my read because my town reads are seeing what I see.

Shiro totally missed me questioning you and insisting to get a response. She also picked a post where I was totally sincere and serious (the one addressing Creature about the lie detector thing) and called it fake. Not even YOU (the one who was mainly suspicious of me before that) thought that it was fake, and Shiro DOES have an idea -albeit a limited one- of my play, so that was forcing a non-existent scum read with a fake reason.

Overall, both Creature and Shiro are so bad at their attempt to paint me as suspicious it already backfired. I could see someone scum reading me for the wrong reasons, but being honest and sincere about it. Not these two. They have taken over the bottom of my read list, and I'm seriously considering moving my vote from you to either of them.

[Almost50]

Derail? I am asking you to explain it, but evidently you are unable to.

Exactly. I'm at a loss of words to explain anything I say/do. What can I say but: You caught be with my hands in the cookie jar!

[Almost50]

someone alliance with me while i get protected for freelo

Mate, it's a bit early for that to be decided. Everybody's making choices and updating reads. I'd probably settle for an alliance with just about anyone above my null line, but I don't have much to offer in terms of game mechanics.

[Almost50]

Probably a dead Mcmenno.

Almost love, I would 1v1 you.


Your OMG wha!!! post was really really fake. Again if you thought he accidentally claimed lie detector, In what world town you says so ? and why?

P.edit

Bleeeeeh

Either you're very very bad SCUM or just plain very VERY bad a player in general, and I don't think you're a bad player.

Like, some addressing the MOD .. in PUBLIC .. asking them to CONFIRM A ONE-SENTENCE CLAIM. Who THE FREAK would be missing that? Now even if one scum player was too busy staring at their own toes, others won't be.

On the other hand, a TOWN DOCTOR who has also been too busy watching the stars to read through the entire thread would have, and they wouldn't have had someone else to point it out for them.

This is but just ONE example of a town motive to out the LD, but it clearly was NOT the reason why I reacted that way. I'm going to hold on to my own reason of that reaction, but I'll tell you it was genuine and had a touch of disbelief.

[Almost50]

I also dislike Almost50's unexplained townread on me (and Skybird, to an extent). If you don't/can't comment because neither of us have posted much, fine, but why is that worthy of a full townread? Townlean on Xk is also bad.

pedit: Someone explain the Almost50 townreads to me? Is it just because of the joyride?

I'm starting to get annoyed by TOWN players sticking their noses where they don't belong.

1- My reads are MINE, and mine alone. If you don't like them, go get your own read list.

2- Sometimes explaining shit is anti-town. You don't NEED to know the WHY if you don't know it already. We're not talking in our own PT -because we don't have one to start with- but rather talking to the whole list of players, both town and scum.

3- I'm not always right, and I never claimed I was. If I'm wrong about someone in my town reads though, that might as well be you. Then someone else will ask the same questions about any given set of players.

Why don't you ask Yume why she put you in her town pile? Why not as farside/grapes why they put you in null-town?

Fine. I took a wild guess and figured you might be a specific character that's definitely town-aligned, and the degree of towniness is related my degree of certainty you rolled that particular character.

Where would YOU put YOU on the list if you were me??

[Almost50]

Dude you called creature sheeping me after calling me scum for having no posts distancing, in what world ? How does that makes any sense other than I am trying to force something hastily in my narrative?

I'm not quite sure if you're talking about global warming here or about the struggle in South Sudan, but I assure you my smoking has no effect on the OPEC oil pricing. And this will be the end of this conversation. Thank you very much. Next, please.

[Almost50]

Well, let's test that out

VOTE: SC

Fine. If NC is not happening, this might:

VOTE: Creature

[Almost50]

Question: How sure are we that this is single-ball?

V never gives confirmation of single-ball, but I'll eat three eggs in one bite if this game turns up multiball.
I'm positive it's not.

Plus, you people who keep on thinking, "X is scum, and Y also is scum, but they're attacking each other" keep jumping to the wrong conclusion. It's not "opposite scum". It's not even "bussing scum", not yet anyway.

It's that you're wrong about one of your scumreads, and might be right on the other one, but are definitely wrong on at least one.

Go ahead and ask me how I know this.

I didn't consider the possibility of MB for that. I did it bc I thought I had way too few scum reads at the time (I had 4), so I was thinking maybe it'd be bc one scum team is better at hiding amidst the rest of us and outing the vulnerable members of the other team.

Anyway, please try to get along with Titus. You two going head-to-head and being stubborn about it is VERY detrimental to town. I know bc I used a Zach vs Dunn similar situation to my benefit as scum recently. Get 2 town leaders going against eachother and you might as well take control of the game if you make the right moves (and -of course- Lady Luck favours you).

[Almost50]

Well, let's test that out

VOTE: SC

Fine. If NC is not happening, this might:

VOTE: Creature

Nc is the largest wagon and SC stands for SirCakez.

Yume deserted the NC wagon to vote SirCakez. That brought the NC wagon vote count down to 5, tied with RR. I decided I wanted to lynch Creature (or Shiro), and thus switched my vote to him. You then switched back to NC to bring it back to 5 votes on it.

I'm a bit annoyed by some players' behaviour right now. FB -for instance- is acting up and out of control, what with his announcement of being able to hand people a vig shot and picking some awful target (Shiro).

Right now, this is my lynch pool:

{

Seraphim, Klingoncelt,

} << Scum Lean
{

Not Chara,

} << Scum
{

Creature, Shiro,

} << Strong Scum

And I'm not seeing much support to lynch either of them. Even the NC wagon has been stalled for ages and I'm not too sure it will garner more than 8-9 votes at best. And then I have people asking me to explain my TOWN READ on them!!!!

[Almost50]

Mastina and I both want Cakey. Sheepy?

Let's just wait and see who else is going to join the wagon.

[Almost50]

Almost50 would know how I play as scum.

Don't know, now would I?? What do you think?

[Almost50]

^ ^ ^ This is not anything that I've ever seen from A50 before.

Great. Now if you would be so kind as to define what "This" is, I'd be in your owe. Thank you.

Also, what do you mean your vote is not working today? Are you voteless?

[Almost50]

Varsoon

Can you confirm Almost50 is town?

How the hell does this post look like a lie detection actionvation ?

Woops! My bad! Upon second look it does look like a doctor protection.. or a dayvig .. WAIT! That's a satellite rocket launch count down activation! Yep. Got it now. Thanks for setting me straight!

[Almost50]

Almost50 would know how I play as scum.

Don't know, now would I?? What do you think?

What? No comment from the wagon-hopping Creature??

[Almost50]

I dunno, he just aggrivates me. He is the only person that has that effect on me. This is the second time it happens. The first being Bloodborn.

So you're still holding a grudge over the fact I had to choose between your slot (a hydra with FA) and another TOWN slot to vig so the town wouldn't lose a lynch?????? Is THAT what you're doing here?????

[Almost50]

new reads

Town: Fire, mastin, farside, Yume
Nulltown: Creature, A50, Seraphim, NC, grapes, Seraphim
Null: Kraskaesque, KTS, Skybird, Random, TWIE, DGB, CoolDog, Klingon
Nullscum: Xkfyu, Snarky, Shiro, Foxbird
Scum: McMenno, Obi, Reasonably Rational

There is one townread I have that might be wrong, but I'm still thinking it over.

Upon some review
Moving CoolDog down to nullscum, Klingon to nullscum, Snarky to null, Xkfyu to scum and Kraska to nulltown
The rest of my nulls have basically nothing

Town: Fire, mastin, farside, Yume
Nulltown: Creature, A50, Seraphim, NC, grapes, Seraphim, Kraskaesque,
Null: KTS, Skybird, Random, TWIE, DGB, Snarky
Nullscum: Shiro, Foxbird, CoolDog, Klingon
Scum: McMenno, Obi, Reasonably Rational, Xkfyu

Posts like these make me think SC is TOWN. I don't care if his reads are accurate or not. It's the fact that he has a DYNAMIC read list that is moving rapidly with every update. To me; scum (and scum!SC to be precise) have an almost static read list and try to move 2-3 names at most just to make it look like they're doing something.

Moving SC up to TOWN (3rd tier on my reads)

[Almost50]

i also don't understand your defense of Almost. he responded to Shiro's points with jokes. if he's town, he's making it impossible to understand his thought process or what he's attempting to do,

I did respond to YOU when you presented some of the same arguments, didn't I?

[Almost50]

All almost has done to "case" me is say that creature distanced me by sheeping me ???

Deja vu! This is the exact SHIT Scum!beeboy was doing in our previous game (Sorry, beeboy, but it WAS some lousy stuff you did in Gistou).

You misrep (or maybe think what you say is true for real) and then you start believing in your own shit and keep on repeating it like a broken record. beeboy overly repeated I was a member of a certain PT when I was not an absolutely nobody else said that I was. You keep repeating that I equated sheeping to distancing and are starting to believe yourself and repeat in anon-stop loop!

Distancing was in INCLUDING YOU in his SHORT SCUM LIST. He then IMMEDIATELY AFTER decided to sheep you on a case on someone that was NOT on his scum list to begin with (me). That shows he was NOT scum reading you for real, but only put you there for distancing (is that close to the rule of 3 Titus has been talking about?).

Anyway, distancing is FoSing your buddy (sometimes supported by an actual vote and sometimes not) just to make it look like you are not of the same team. Sheeping you was the TELL that uncovered the fact this was distancing, not the actual distancing act.

[Almost50]

Not that I expect him to answer for anything at this point but yea.

I sincerely do apologize, but I have a deficiency in my own personality (so I acknowledge that it's my own fault and has nothing to do with you). That said deficiency is actually the inability to communicate and construct a fruitful dialogue with people with an IQ below a certain level. Have someone else talk to me about the same issues and I might be inclined to respond more appropriately.

P.S. See? Now THAT is how a true moron should respond, don't you think?? Keep on...

VOTE: Almost50
Not liking the recent changes in tone with Almost and him in the PT.

Another shining start on the rise. Everyone who has previous experience with me should see that I'm being overly obv!towning here (and don't you dare think it's not for a reason). I'd give a semi-pass (not even a full pass) to those who have no prior experience with me (or those who have very little experience, like maybe one game in which one of us died early). But YOU, Sir get NO PASS AT ALL. You know me inside out and have seen me multiple times as both alignments, and even know what I would be doing in a game like this if I was scum.

There are exactly TWO people here whom I would NOT accept being scum read by, and those are firebringer and beeboy, having been scum partners with me previously and knowing exactly how I planned my moves in both incidents. There's also one more person here who should know this is exactly town me being extremely annoyed and losing it altogether, because THEY have been the subject of my wrath once before (I don't mean to bring on bad memories, mate. I'm just spewing junk out of extreme annoyance. SORRY!)

Now you go back to that friggin VT and talk about the subject me, far & SC have been discussing. Let's make a stand and let's TRY to stay united before the Joy Ride quest/adventure/whatever it is we're up to starts. If we're not united and we're not trusting eachother it could backfire if it's anything like the Dungeon Quests in Bloodborne.

[Almost50]

almost you are really seeming scummy at this point.

And -of course- this is exactly how you would expect SCUM!ALMOST to be acting. Right? I mean, RIGHT???

[Almost50]

MAGENTA WOLF

HAS REALIZED THAT WHAT WAS WRONG WAS THAT HIS ENTIRE TEXT WAS COLORED.

HE HAS FIXED THE MISTAKE IN THIS POST.

MAGENTA WOLF

would not mind lynching Almost.

See? THAT one is acceptable. Why? Bc I only played with KTS once, and he was annoying and I was hating his play. We eventually lynched him on D1 and he flipped town (and so was I, but the point is he never saw scum!me before, and he never even played long enough with town!me either.)

[Almost50]

im fairly sure ive played with you more than that one time.

Maybe, but I then I don't recall that/those other games. If they have any influence at this game status, please refresh my memory.

[Almost50]

@KTS:

Found it. Varied Music (mod: Rc) and you were also NK'd N1, which is why I didn't remember you in it.

[Almost50]

anyway youre essentially saying that

MANGETAO

WOLF

cabnt scumread u because hes never played with you

so no

bad

Actually I was saying the exact opposite. I was saying it OK for YOU to scum read me, bc you have very limited experience with my play as either alignment.

[Almost50]

Almost, every time you say you are 'obvtown', i hear 'i know my own scum meta and am acting differently from it'. the fact that you know this means you could replicate it... that defense is meaningless.

Yeah, I know. Well, those who know me know me well, and those who don't won't be able to tell!

Just stay tuned.

Btw, I feel "just a teeny weeny l'il bit" better about NC, so moving it one notch up to Null-Scum.

[Almost50]

no kling is town

id bet my whole mafia career she isn't.
Like straight up.

id bet my whole mafia career that kling is town.

what are you gonna do when you lose.

I'd bet my whole mafia career one of you two is going to look really naive when KC flips.

[Almost50]

Shiro caught me role fishing
Shiro caught me trying to OUT the Lie Detector.
Shiro considers outing someone's role is BAD and comes from LIKELY SCUM.

Varsoon warns us about outing our FLAVOUR.
Many players have repeatedly explained how OUTING FLAVOUR COULD BE DETRIMENTAL to Town.

Oh you are also potentially town to me, forgot that I took you joining a pt with steven as a huge,

most likely connie

,most likely town.

I'm extremely and utterly impressed!

[Almost50]

FTR, THAT was a huge part of why I town read you, Sky. You asking me to explain just didn't make any sense though. I could not have gone and said I Town read you bc allying with Steven resulted in you permanently possessing a double-vote, which most likely meant you were Connie.

But .. you know .. I'm the scummy one .. so maybe I should have explained anyway. Shiro is Town and is good at it too, so hers wouldn't/shouldn't count as scummy behaviour AT ALL!

I rest my case!

VOTE: Shiro

And this one is not moving until the end of the day. It's stuck with cement and reinforced concrete on top of it!

[Almost50]

I was the first one to note that sky bird was likely Connie, what the fuck guy talking about almost

If you outed her in public, you're scum too. Period.

[Almost50]

I am voteless today.

"This": You're often laid back and calm and thoughtful as Scum, As Town you can be a bit whiny and depressed if you're being suspected or ignored.

Today you're aggressive and angry. Is it because Mercury's in retrograde? I don't know what to make of it.

Ok. Thanks. I'm much cooler and calm now.

WAIT! Being calm means I'm Scum???!!

[Almost50]

Klingon is town alright

Thank you for confirming. I wish more players were as thoughtful as you, you tricky li'l .. erm .. something!

KC moves up to a town lean for now. DGB up to Town.

[Almost50]

Yo let's lynch cakes guys.

Or not!!!

You see, I'm a bit confpuzzled here. On the one hand, Mastina, Obi, Yume are all conf!Town to me, and grapes is Strong Town, and they're all on Cakez. On the other hand, NC & Shiro are also voting there, and my own read on SC isn't even leaning scum.

Oh, and I STILL don't want to lynch inside my own Joy Trip. It could result in some disaster if it's anything like the Dungeon Quests back in Bloodborne.

@Cakez:

FGS Town it up. Even if you are Scum, please go get lynched when you're NOT in my Event. Better yet, if you're Town give me something conclusive in our own PT to defend you with.

[Almost50]

You're acting like multiple people haven't given good reasons why he's scum or something.
If there's scum in your joy trip, I think we should lynch them.

True, but that's a BIG IF. I'm town reading him .. sort of. farside is too. Not sure about FB who is like a hurricane, and CooLDoG is a lurksack in this game.

I see more obvious scum elsewhere and I don't see why I need to lynch someone I'm actually town reading over someone I'm scum reading, and hardly so.

[Almost50]

Almost, every time you say you are 'obvtown', i hear 'i know my own scum meta and am acting differently from it'. the fact that you know this means you could replicate it... that defense is meaningless.

Yeah, I know. Well, those who know me know me well, and those who don't won't be able to tell!

Just stay tuned.

Btw, I feel "just a teeny weeny l'il bit" better about NC, so moving it one notch up to Null-Scum.

i forgot about this comment.

what changed, Almost? my posting volume went way down around the time before you made this post, and i don't remember doing too much in that timeframe.

Then maybe you should keep it down!

[Almost50]

did you miss where SirCakez posted the first list, and Creature commented "too many null reads"?
i'm fairly certain that was the direct cause of the rapid reads change.

Why do I get the feeling you're underestimating SC? I knoe he's NOT naive by any means. He simply would NOT do THAT!

P.S. I've seen SCUM!Cakez more than I've seen Town!him. *Nods firmly*

[Almost50]

To be clear:

<Big Snip>

If an Event does, it will be detailed in that Event's description.

That's really

GOOD

to know. Now I can comfortably declare that my event did NOT affect the stress. There's no mention of such effect in the description I got.

[Almost50]

Hey Almost, have you chose who you are gonna align with tonight yet?

If not, I'd like to volunteer.

Deal. I'll send the PM on the Climax phase.

[Almost50]

I'll ally with you, if Almost doesn't want me.

To me you're null-town, and I'd rather have you as conf!town if I could.

[Almost50]

a good piece of advice, but not the answer to the question i was asking.

Your overall tone has slightly changed for the better. I'm starting to get a weak signal that you maybe clueless (as in "uninformed") and looking, which means you're town. But a weak signal is, well.. weak, and you could be faking it.

Another reason is you don't make much sense as scum with some of my scum reads, or let's say; if you're scum them my reads ares shit and there's at least 2 scum in my higher town reads, so I had to reconsider you rather than the whole read list.

[Almost50]

The joy ride alliance is officially terrible, its a echo chamber of reads.

Farside now thinks I am scum with Shiro and Snarky.

Done with posting in there.

@Varsoon Can I just leave the alliance?

If I was a frequent user of the F word; my reaction would've been "F YOU AND

WHOEVER PICKED TO JOIN THAT EVENT!

"

[Almost50]

Somebody please shoot this FB guy. He's up to no good, and isn't sticking with any deals.

@Fire:

Seriously, GROW UP! Like, I fully understand why farside might not be too comfy about you. What I do NOT understand is you claiming to be scum, then getting annoyed when you ARE read as scum!! Now THAT is what I can't get my head around.

You want to get lynched? FINE! Then be happy to be scum read. You do NOT want to eat the rope? Great. Then STOP advertising that you're scum and advocating your own lynch.

[Almost50]

is you claiming to be scum, then getting annoyed when you ARE read as scum!!

That isn't why Farside is reading me as scum and you know it.

Regardless! WHY do you care about the REASON as long as you are SCUM READ?

[Almost50]

is this genuine frustration/confusion or another joke? because a lot of your posts are like this. this incredulous tone that you take to things with obvious answers.
i assumed the 'wants to be scumread' notion wasn't Firebringer being serious. that you of all players is talking about this is kind of funny.

Actually, it IS serious. He's doing it all over the place, whether it be here in the main thread or in the PT. he's advocating being scum but not aligned with anyone (i.e. 3P). I asked if he was a Jester and needed to be roped in order to win and he said something like "you got it" (paraphrased). I then told him to help us catch scum today and promised that if he did that I will help him get lynched on D2 or D3.

The next thing I know (several posts later) when we were discussing a unanimous vote on Shiro that he says something like "I want them to town, so I'm not voting them unless there's no other option". WHAT?

Since when does Mafia get played according to what alignment you want a player to be? I mean, we could be best friends outside the game. Hell, we could be siblings, spouses or whatever. But a game is a game and it has rules and you play according to the rules, not how "you want someone to be".

And you're wondering why I'm on the verge of losing my mind??

[Almost50]

is you claiming to be scum, then getting annoyed when you ARE read as scum!!

That isn't why Farside is reading me as scum and you know it.

Regardless! WHY do you care about the REASON as long as you are SCUM READ?

I don't care if people scumread me based on my stupid joke.

I care when Farside makes up this stupid reason that I am scum. That I am associated with both Snarky and Shiro,

and before we even have one flip of either of them. I am a teammate of them

.

Like fuck off, you don't know shit

Ok, let's make it official: Do you, or don't you want to get lynched in order to win? I'm asking you right here and now in public under everyone's sights. DO YOU WANT TO GET LYNCHED?

[Almost50]

I should've NOT triggered my event on D1. I certainly shouldn't have.

We're lynching Cakez, FB won't work with us, and CD is a lurker. It's just me and far right now facing the unknown. *Sigh*

@Shiro:

Everytime, and I mean EVERYTIME you post you make me want to lynch you more. Let me try another approach:

I triggered an event, and the stress got LOWERED by TWO levels. I claim that it was NOT bc of my event. If you chose to believe me then my event has pros and cons to town (neutral). If you chose NOT to believe me, then it's actually a PRO TOWN event. Either way it's not detrimental or harmful to town.

Are you following so far?

Now, lynch the event owner and the event itself is no more. (Unless Mr V up there took measures similar to those of Bloodborne, but I doubt it since events in this game are a role trait not a game-wide thing based on votes). Anyway.. WHY would you want to prevent a TOWN EVENT from taking off? Why do you so much want to prevent us from seeing it's fruition? Answer me that if you will.

[Almost50]

does that mean I could ally with Snarky rn?

Which part of the word CLIMAX did you not understand?

[Almost50]

P.S. I've seen SCUM!Cakez more than I've seen Town!him. *Nods firmly*

And, pray tell, how well did those games go for you by letting him live?

I did beat him the last TWO times he was scum (Soccer Spirits and Gistou).

[Almost50]

The joy ride alliance is officially terrible, its a echo chamber of reads.

And, pray tell, whose fault may that be?
(Hint: I'm talking about scum. And have been pursuing scum. I am not voting Almost50.)

TBH, both SC & farside have been VERY cooperative in there. FB has been active yes, but a thorn in our sides of late. And -of course- CD is no more active in the event PT than he is in the main thread.

[Almost50]

Stop saying "and, pray tell" I'm annoyed by it

And, pray tell: What exactly annoys you about it?

[Almost50]

MAGENTA WOLF

DEMANDS ALMOST50 ONE ON ONE HIM FOR PERMISSION TO SPEAK. IF HE LOSES, MAGENTA WOLF WILL CLAIM HIS HEAD.

I .. honestly didn't get that. Care to explain?

[Almost50]

OK, RR moves up to "as good as confirmed Town" (I won't be explaining why). Skybird also moves up to the same level, but this one I can explain if you want to rant about nothings for the rest of the day.

In fact, it's bc allying with Steven Universe got mod-confirmed in public. If Sky was scum I very much doubt she would've been allowed to ally with SU in the first place, let alone be told it IS SU they've allied with.

I'd also suggest the lack of such a mechanic similar to the monocular in Bloodborne (a PT spying ability/tool) for the same reason. If scum ever got THAT it'd be fairly easy for them to target Sky with it and see whom she's allied with -other than Foxbird- and thus identify SU.

Feel free to attack, criticize and ridicule this line of thought. This is my logic and these are my reads none-the-less.

[Almost50]

Pedit: we used that same flawed logic to lose SU 1(plus some other stuff, but that was what ultimately drove the lylo mislynch), except we had EVEN MORE REASON to think scum wouldn't possibly be given confirmation of Stevens identify than you do, and we were STILL wrong.

Don't be us. Don't close your mind to the possibility. Evaluate Skybirds play on its own merit.

OH! I didn't read SU1.

But if I disregard THAT, Sky would be back to NULL (or null-town at best).

OK, thanks for the correction. I really do appreciate it.

[Almost50]

@A50, you still down?

I'm allying with Xf on D2. Done deal. But I can ally with you on D3 if you like (and we both still live).

[Almost50]

OK.. last attempt to correct the situation: THIS HAS NEVER BEEN PUBLICLY ANNOUNCED BEFORE.

If myself and SC vote the same player, we add a THIRD vote on them automatically. If the members of Joy Ride vote unanimously (all 5 of us) we also earn an additional vote on the target.

Since that certainly is NOT mentioned in my role PM, I think it maybe related to SC's role. Now, the more experienced MODs can think it over and decide whether that would be given to scum, town or is NAI. (Sorry, Cakez)

[Almost50]

Don't anybody shout at me. You were going to lynch him anyway. If that's a scum tool, then it's confirmed. If that's a town tool, then at least I kept him alive for one more day. If it's NAI, no harm done still.

[Almost50]

That's pretty much NAI.

if we're waiting for cakez to show up and claim shit.

why would you claim shit for him before he shows up.

Cuz I'm trying to save us from a MISLYNCH. This is not a NAI ability to me. It's TOWN. If it was scum it means scum will ALWAYS have access to an extra vote and "maybe" another extra vote. Also, I know my own alignment, so when someone with THAT ability allies with me I KNOW they're FRIGGIN' Town. They could've just allied with their own scum buddy and guaranteed the extra vote use.

I tried to deter you from voting SC in every way I can while NOT confirming him so he won't be shot at night instead. I kept him low in my reads to make use of that extra vote ability to keep him safe (when that vote reflects on the VC you'd be more suspicious, which means he is still considered a viable lynch for the scum, which means he is not NK'd, which means I get to have one conf!town that I can actually communicate with for a couple more days. Someone who might be willing to listen to me and my crazy stuff when everybody's brushing me off.

SirCakez id CONF!TOWN to me.

[Almost50]

and no one else should. Firebringer, you should bring him back to l-1.

See? I told you this is scum!! Why would we put someone with that role 1 vote away from being lol!hammered??

[Almost50]

Literally no one else has claimed BP?

Our alliance is semi BP
A few others hinted

That's because of me you dingus

Actually it's bc of BOTH of us. SC made us all BP, and I made us all immune to actions from outside the alliance (but unfortunately we also can't target anyone outside the alliance).

So, you've been double protected by this alliance, FB. This very alliance you've been treating like garbage!

[Almost50]

A50, did you know about the BP thing too? If you did, why didn't you corroborate his claim that he should ally with mastin, given your townread on both slots?

-Cerb

No, I didn't. SC didn't claim anything about his role details. what I did know is the extra vote bc that was evident (mod confirmed). I was told in my PT with SC that if we both vote the same person that a third vote would be added, and it was announced (by Varsoon) in the Joy Ride PT as well that if all 5 of us voted the same person that we would get an extra 6th vote. Neither could be used to hammer though (the extra votes). It only took me to put 2 and 2 together to figure it was SC's role, but I kept my mouth shut (I didn't even mention it to HIM) bc I wanted him to do his thing naturally. It was enough for me to know he was town and that was it.

[Almost50]

Regarding Varsoon giving the role to scum: absolutely possible. The BP thing is, in and of itself, probably NAI(particularly given the mechanical ability to bypass BP at low stress).This is part of why I want to know what knowledge of SC'S role A50 and/or the members of the Joyride had, to see how said knowledge may have forced his hand in terms of his play.

-Cerb

He didn't say anything about it in either PTs. None of us were made aware of it until he claimed it here.

P-edit:

Welcome to the game, TheFuzzylogic99

[Almost50]

@RR Almost knew the whole day I was the BP provider. The joy ride did not know though.

No, I didn't (and I'm sorry I didn't look any closer). When the PT header said we [redacted] I assumed it was bc we could not be affected by anyone else's actions, and the way the [same redacted] was phrased I thought was subtle hint we were all town. (I could elaborate more in our PT or in Joy Ride if you like).

[Almost50]

It ain't flavor I am CCing. They got cute with the role fake.

Titus, your conf!bias has come unbearable. Varsoon said he crafted the scum FAKE CLAIMS even before he wrote our town role PMs. You simply would NOT be able to counterclaim anything if SC was using a fake claim, FGS!

[Almost50]

I think I am done here.

SirCakey promises Farside that she can have a extra vote if they agree and he lives.
Farside townreads him and refuses to vote his scumreads and sticks to voting town.

Not exactly a far out conclusion to reach when Farside can usually justify her opinions.

It's sad what power makes people do.

You guys want monkey business? You got it!

As of NOW, Obi-Wan Kenobi & Farside22 are both demoted to SCUM LEAN.

Obi is so persistent to lynch the BP source, and farside has just decided to disband the event altogether. This tells me they're scum TOGETHER and have been faking it to find out who the source of all that shit was. They now know what my event did, and -additionally- have sabotaged it to no remedy. They also know SC's full role, and that's all scum needed to know.

I partially blame Mastina for early town reading farside (which I must admit has affected my read on her), but I mainly blame myself for my betrayal to myself. I had promised myself I will work individually in this game, and taking anyone's reads into account was a fatal mistake.

Also, Mastina: RR is TOWN, OBI has been playing them, not the other way around. I have seen this Titus ONCE before (in THIS game Blitz 26), but -fortunately- Ranger was there for the rescue.

I may need to reevaluate some of my reads later on, but scum are definitely to be found in TheFuzzylogic99, Not Chara, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Farside22, Creature & Shiro (that's the entire scum team OR 5 of them are scum and one is really bad town).

Done with this. These are the 6 lynches I'm willing to take all game long. Nobody else.

[Almost50]

In fact, this is a MUCH better lynch target right now:

VOTE: farside22

Like, the last thing she was saying in the PT was she was Town reading both me and Cakez, and the next thing you know is she is disbanding the event. WHY? Give me ONE FRIGGIN' GOOD REASON. Why would you revoke protection form your TOWN reads?? Why would you disband a TOWN event, that was likely to give town BONUSES??

[Almost50]

@almost50, thoughts on me CCing Cakey?

By now I already gave my thoughts. Your slot is SCUM (again, SORRY I didn't follow you Cakez), and that might be why you sent beeboy to take a hike after what he did to his scum buddies in Gistou (I mean his HYDRA scum baddies).

[Almost50]

Almost50. could you have

chosen

when you activated this event? why would you do it on the first day if you were trying to build a townblock?

Why not?

[Almost50]

Yeah I'm pretty sure i have a greater shot to die then many others.

Outright lie. If you truly believed that, you would not have revoked the BP AND the isolation from the rest of players' actions from yourself. You were practically immune to all action but those coming from within the event.

You also disbanded shortly after you tricked me into confirming it was a 1-time event and that I had no more powers but my own vote. You had to make sure I could not do a repeat of the same event, only this time a different team. And if I could and I opted to include Cakez that would've been disastrous for you and your scum buddies. For what it's worth, you could be the one with extra powers you needed to use on someone outside the Joy Ride tonight, but found you couldn't while it lasted.

LYNCH SCUM PLEASE!

[Almost50]

Btw, apologies due to

TheFuzzylogic99

IF their slot is town. The bad town -in this case- would be seraphim, not you.

[Almost50]

@RR Almost knew the whole day I was the BP provider. The joy ride did not know though.

No, I didn't (and I'm sorry I didn't look any closer). When the PT header said we [redacted] I assumed it was bc we could not be affected by anyone else's actions, and the way the [same redacted] was phrased I thought was subtle hint we were all town. (I could elaborate more in our PT or in Joy Ride if you like).

Varsoon 'subtly hinting' that your neighbourhood. chosen by you. was all town? that would be really unbalanced. wouldn't it? there are five of you in that.
why am i doing this. i just said i wouldn't.

i'll be back in an hour. :>
also: Almost50 is either actually town or a remarkable actor. and that isn't a joke this time.

Oh, this reminds me (TY, NC) the [reacted] was a line that said we could not be killed by "conventional methods". This -to me- meant someone had to manipulate their way to kill us (yes, I now see it meant we were BP and would only be killed by a strongman or that other modifier that makes your action resolve first, but at the time that's how I interpreted it and never looked back.)

By implication, I assumed none of us 5 was a killer, bc then they would be able to act on any member of the event normally. Stupid? Yes. Bad assumption? Sure. So SUE ME!

[Almost50]

I didn't see your post in the PT until just now farside, to be fair

And this is town.

Let's play let's make a deal Titus.
I'm feeling a bit pissy with you.
I feel you need to take your arrogance down a notch.
So here is my deal and it will be fair.
If I'm right you can't not only stop arguing day 2, you need to sheep my read day 2.
If your right I eat my words, call my reads bad and sheep you day 2.
Here is the thing, you don't comply I vote you and refuse to move till your dead.

And why should I deal with you? I don't mindlessly sheep and nor do you. Mindlessly Sheeping is Antitown as fuck. We get there by justifying our opinions and talking. It took this much to highlight Cakey's bribery to the hood. You mindlessly Sheeping, this never comes out.

You are basically Cakey's pawn and you want to justify voting town.

Well ill just vote you day 2 then.

Yeah, and why not today?? Or you still haven't figured out a way to unvote them later? Oh! Is it bc you want the BP provider lynched first so you wouldn't have to worry about whom they ally with next?? Is it bc -since you destroyed the event- he can actually be checked now, and if he got cleared by an investigator you won't ever be able to lynch him by day nor kill him by night??

[Almost50]

And I'm disbanding the alliance so Titus whole power trip BS is pretty null and void.

Yeah, how convenient! "Oh, I'm so afraid I would be NK'd, but you know what? I'm just going to defuse an irrelevant peace of $#!t by removing all my protection."

Like, how long did it take you two to plot that farce in your scum PT? I know now that you've planned your perfect distancing play well, but THIS particular stunt to sabotage the event is unspeakably MARVELOUS! *Clap clap*

[Almost50]

You fucker. You really are helping scum like holy shit. Stop with the desperation. Cakey's BP IS FAKE. HOLY SHIT.

And how would farside know that, assuming it's true?? She's either scum with him or with you! THAT would be the only way she would know if it was a fake BP claim.

So,

a- farside is scum with Cakez and has juste revoked a BP that wasn't there to begin with;

b- farside is scum with you by virtue of already knowing your role while not even sharing a PT with you;

c- OR farside is scum who believed the BP claim to be true and still opted to void it.

Pick one, she's still scum regardless of the reason you pick.

[Almost50]

...no one even knew about the bulletproofing. SirCakez was the only player to know. they cannot have been faking anything to find anything. they are not scum together.

How convenient of another scumster to try and disguise the obvious. They kept the .. correction .. YOU kept the event going until farside could milk everyone wh has been active for their role details. Once you've had enough you decided to move on to step #2, which is eliminate the positive effects to town by voiding the event and pushing for Cakez lynch.

That was brilliant, btw. You and Obi pushing Cakez while farside defends them. You and Creature pushing me while Obi and farside defend me. I didn't make mention of anything related to BP, when I did repeatedly bring up the fact we could not be affected by other player's actions, and you deduced it was more likely SirCakez who provided the BP.

The "nobody knew" doesn't even come into play when farside was inside the PT and must've conveyed every little detail to you, which -of course- included the opening text. Just bc I wasn't able to figure it out on my own doesn't mean your lot didn't. There are 5 or 6 evil minds in the scum PT working together (actually 6 or 7, considering Obi is a hydra itself), so yeah, very much that.

[Almost50]

your 'fatal mistake' was your first actual scumread in the game being a self-proclaimed sheep of both Titus and mastin. you really should have realized you were straying from your goal when you typed that.

Only that was still MY OWN READ, still is, and forever will be for the entire game. I'm now self-proclaimed all-knowledgeable, and have reached enlightenment. Praise the Lord for His Majesty! *Does a Whoopi Goldberg -like act).

[Almost50]

Spoiler:

I think I am done here.

SirCakey promises Farside that she can have a extra vote if they agree and he lives.
Farside townreads him and refuses to vote his scumreads and sticks to voting town.

Not exactly a far out conclusion to reach when Farside can usually justify her opinions.

It's sad what power makes people do.

You guys want monkey business? You got it!

As of NOW, Obi-Wan Kenobi & Farside22 are both demoted to SCUM LEAN.

Obi is so persistent to lynch the BP source, and farside has just decided to disband the event altogether. This tells me they're scum TOGETHER and have been faking it to find out who the source of all that shit was. They now know what my event did, and -additionally- have sabotaged it to no remedy. They also know SC's full role, and that's all scum needed to know.

I partially blame Mastina for early town reading farside (which I must admit has affected my read on her), but I mainly blame myself for my betrayal to myself. I had promised myself I will work individually in this game, and taking anyone's reads into account was a fatal mistake.

Also, Mastina: RR is TOWN, OBI has been playing them, not the other way around. I have seen this Titus ONCE before (in THIS game Blitz 26), but -fortunately- Ranger was there for the rescue.

I may need to reevaluate some of my reads later on, but scum are definitely to be found in TheFuzzylogic99, Not Chara, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Farside22, Creature & Shiro (that's the entire scum team OR 5 of them are scum and one is really bad town).

Done with this. These are the 6 lynches I'm willing to take all game long. Nobody else.

I did ask before I did it.

Yes you did, and we both said NO, and you said you were going to be selfish and still did it. You were going to it anyway, but hoped for us to go along with you so you won't be blamed for it (or maybe even blame it on us later on), but when we BOTH said we wanted to carry on with it YOU STILL DISMANTLED IT!

[Almost50]

Almost50 cannot be convinced, but Creature might. possibly.

Of course he could. He's one of yours, and he needs to step in for the town players who have decided to jump off that awful wagon. I bet you had counted on more town to support you so you wouldn't have to put almost all the team on that lynch!

[Almost50]

Maybe I should just day vig Shiro.
That'd make me feel better.
What do you think a50?

I don't know if you have a dayvig to begin with, but if you did I dare you to use it on OBI-WAN KENOBI instead. Wouldn't that be MUCH MUCH MORE CONVENIENT for you than to have to vote them for the rest of game starting TOMORROW???

[Almost50]

VOTE: cakez
VOTE: cakez
VOTE: cakez
VOTE: cakez
VOTE: cakez

NOT GONNA HAPPEN
NOT GONNA HAPPEN
NOT GONNA HAPPEN
NOT GONNA HAPPEN
NOT GONNA HAPPEN

[Almost50]

the longer the game goes on, the more time you have to gather information on who is town.
unless you have reason to believe mafia will nightkill or roleblock you, there was no reason to do it so soon.
if you had waited, your neighbourhood could have contained mastin and Yume, as an example.

I'm not sure if you have your own event to trigger, but those who do know there are conditions and also know there are ways for it to fail even if you try under when said conditions are met. I wanted mine to go through, and I trusted no one would be interested in blowing it to pieces when it was a D1 event. It was a "JOY RIDE" FGS. Now that farside has wrecked the car and even set it on fire, my dad's gonna kill me. I'll be grounded for the rest of the year.

[Almost50]

Great, the BP might not be true...someone is counter claiming Cakey, come on...

The BP IS FARTING TRUE. It's just that I missed it. It did say we were not to be killed by conventional methods, and that isn't part of my own event's effect. That's not part of my own role either. It had to be someone else's role/effect, and I don't see counterclaims coming from either FB or farside. You can wait for the rest of your life for CD to show up and confirm it wasn't his either. Like, you're not reading at all!

[Almost50]

It has never existed in the history of Varsoon games to have double powers in an alliance and have it be town. His response was to resign. Then Farside and Almost derping defend him.
The BP neighbor is to explain why Cakey should be kept alive.
The BP on himself is added to explain why scum don't shoot him.

It's really farcical.

Without the BP claim, Cakez ability sounds townish but would not be enough to save him.

OK, let's put into test. He's still allied with ME, you know. Have the town vig shoot one of us. Easy!

[Almost50]

1) In the SC/A50 pt (not the Joyride), was there any indication of what SC has claimed?
2) In the joyride, was there any indication of what SC has claimed?

1) No. Absolutely not.
2) Not by SC's claim, but it was carved on the wall in the opening post and I misread/misunderstood the meaning, leading me to believe it was part of the isolation my event resulted in (i.e. thought their might be some way for someone to actually affect us from outside, but that would be one person. One particular role Varsoon would have designed to negate my event's effect. I should've known better bc I can't trigger it anymore, so -in retrospect- it didn't make sense to have a role especially designed to overcome a ONE NIGHT act/event)

[Almost50]

Before I sleep, I want some things answered when I wake up.

1) In the SC/A50 pt (not the Joyride), was there any indication of what SC has claimed?
2) In the joyride, was there any indication of what SC has claimed?
3) Why did you destroy the joyride Farside?

I'm having trouble understanding why FS would do what she did ( as town, it's dumb, and as scum it only makes sense if some critical role was in that joyride and needed to target outside of it...and even then it's still dumb), as well as reconciling SC'S claim that A50 knew about this all day with his claim of ignorance, while the rest of their joyride claims they were aware of the protection SC claims to be the source of.

And with that, good night.
-Cerb

Amendment: I only addressed the BP issue here. The extra vote was not brought up either in either PT, but I figured it out as I was the only other member of BOTH, and it wasn't mine for sure, so it had to be his. The other 3 didn't know it bc they didn't know we had that same effect in our own PT (mine & SC's)

[Almost50]

Event =\= alliance.

I don't know about that. In my role PM, my event is explicitly describes as an alliance. My event resulted in forming an alliance with the players I picked, and this "alliance" members could not affect nor could they be affected by actions from anyone outside it. So, yes.. my event was referred to as an alliance in my role PM. TWICE.

[Almost50]

the longer the game goes on, the more time you have to gather information on who is town.
unless you have reason to believe mafia will nightkill or roleblock you, there was no reason to do it so soon.
if you had waited, your neighbourhood could have contained mastin and Yume, as an example.

I'm not sure if you have your own event to trigger, but those who do know there are conditions and also know there are ways for it to fail even if you try under when said conditions are met. I wanted mine to go through, and I trusted no one would be interested in blowing it to pieces when it was a D1 event. It was a "JOY RIDE" FGS. Now that farside has wrecked the car and even set it on fire, my dad's gonna kill me. I'll be grounded for the rest of the year.

I get the flavor reference

Actually I wasn't crumbing anything related to my flavour. It was a reference to the movie: ROAD TRIP and the character Kyle "something" played by that skinny goofy dude.

[Almost50]

Pedit. Okay. So there were TWO separate effects protecting members of that alliance. The BP is unclaimed by anyone but SC ,and the limited targeting is claimed by A50?

Is that correct?

Yes.

[Almost50]

I need to know if the joyride and thr sc/A50 alliance are two separate PTs.

Yes they are. Joy Ride is no more. Almost+Sc is still intact.

[Almost50]

It's your event Almost. You did it. Not scum Cakey. Not CoolDog.

No, I did NOT. I couldn't have. It's NOT in my event description, nor is it part of my own role. Just like the extra friggin vote. It ain't my effect either. Not by role and not by event description.

[Almost50]

It's your event Almost. You did it. Not scum Cakey. Not CoolDog.

If what you say is true, then how come SOMEONE ELSE managed to dismantle MY EVENT? Or do you think I did that too??

[Almost50]

No. It didn't matter. He is probably lying but hoodwinked the hood. Even if he's not there's not likely more than one town BP.

First, his BP appears to be conditional, i.e. IF he's in an alliance.

Second, it doesn't make sense to give scum the ability to make their entire team BP, bc I have never seen a TOWN strongman before. It only makes sense to give the TOWN a "feel" of safety, with a scum strongman being able to breach that shield. There's also the very likely possibility that said alliance would include scum in it (be it one on one or one resulting from an event like mine where an ignorant town player gets to pick). Either way, if a kill does occur nobody would be able to tell for certain if it originated from within the group or from a strongman outside it.

I maintain my TOWN READ on Cakez.

[Almost50]

Given that Almost50 has a stick up his ass, Farside imploded, Fire wants to lynch her for that implosion

And your issue is that I take a counterclaim to its logical conclusion? Holy shit RR.

In a world where farside is town and she "imploded", the reason to her implosion is you, and you should be lynched for it.

[Almost50]

It probably WAS part of your isolation event.

Jesus Navas Gonzalez!! The bit about us not getting killed by conventional methods was NOT in my event description from my role PM, nor was the bit about the additional extra vote.

The parts about it being an alliance, about the isolation, and about abilities were all in my event description, almost word for word. Like, I maybe dumb but I can READ! Duh!!

[Almost50]

@A50: in your alliance with SC, there is mod confirmation that an effect exists which makes you both BP, correct? Basically, this is not something it is possible for SC to be lying about, unless there were some prequel phase effect which granted this modifier to your alliance(s) in particular.

Is that accurate?

Correct. In fact, it's the exact same wording for both the BP effect AND the extra vote that were in the Joy Ride PT, which brings ANYTHING Obi has to say about this being mine to ashes.

Now I feel REALLY dumb not having noticed the bit about the BP in this PT before. It somehow escaped my vision until now, or I may have read it but it didn't get stored in my mind bc I was excited about the extra vote. I mean, it IS the eact same wording as the one that was in the JOY RIDE introductory post.

[Almost50]

Pedit: there was NEVER any statement made in this game by ANYONE stating that the cakez/A50 alliance existed separately from the joyride. All of A50's statements regarding the OP of alliances have been vague. There is NO reason to assume the joyride wasn't just an extension of the cakez /A50 alliance. That needed to be confirmed, as well as the joyrides status as alliance, so I could check whether or not A50 should have been able to connect the effect the joyride had with thr effect his own pt had, and thus know that it was definitely SC providing the BP.

Pedit2: So your alliance with A50 has NO MENTION of any bp granting effect, but the joyride does?

OK, I do realize that THIS problem is all my fault.

1- I had (and still have) an alliance with SirCakez.

2- I triggered an event that resulted in forming another alliance with SirCakes, farside, firebringer and CoolDog.

3- Those are two separate alliances, and YES, my event resulted in an ALLIANCE forming with said 4 players and myself.

4- My EVENT makes my event alliance (and only that alliance resulting from the event itself) isolated from the rest of you guys action-wise. That effect does NOT extend to my alliance with SC alone, bc it's and EVENT EFFECT not a ROLE ability.

5- SirCakez ROLE has 2 effects: an additional vote to the alliance(s) he is in if they all voted for the same person, AND a BP (described as "the members of this alliance cannot be killed by conventional means")

6- BOTH effects stemming from SirCakez ROLE were explicitly announced in the opening post of each of the 2 PTs, and with the exact same wording.

7- I missed the line about the BP in the PT with SC alone, and only found it now as I was double checking everything.

8- This means, both the BP effect AND the extra vote effect are confirmed characteristics tied to SC's own role.

9- The extra votes resulting from SC's role effect on any given alliance cannot be used to HAMMER a lynchee.

10- SirCakez asked if I could help him ally with Mastina bc his role would be very beneficial to her, but she was scum reading him already and he didn't know what to do.

11- I gave him some advise which he never followed. He's just as stubborn and self-righteous like the rest of us. I'm not faulting him there, but it could've been better for him if he did yield a little here or there.

That's the story in a nutshell. Cakez believes in his scum reads (and especially that on Obi) and his claim does coincide with the mod-confirmed details posted in both PT intros.

[Almost50]

If the BP was announced in both PT's, then it should have been clear to you that SC was the source, same as with the extra vote.

that is true, and you're absolutely correct. I just missed the BP bit in the PT with SC alone and interpreted it differently when I DID read it in Joy Ride. Yes, it's my own fault and you (or anyone else) would be spot on calling me an old blind horse or however you want to put it. I'm sorry.

[Almost50]

Like, it feels really simple to answer me here, but I'm not getting straight answers.

You're getting them now. In fine details. And as close to a "copy and paste" as can be, without resulting in me getting modkilled that is.

[Almost50]

1) In the joyride PT was the BP mentioned(NOT BY SC, BUT BY THE MODERATOR AS AN EFFECT MODIFYING THE PT)?
2) In your PT with SC, was the bp mentioned(NOT BY SC, BUT BY THE MODERATOR AS AN EFFECT MODIFYING THE PT)?

The answer to both is YES, and in the EXACT same wording.

[Almost50]

That's all I want to know, and your answers are making it difficult for me to tell if you're telling me that SC never claimed things himself in the PT, or if you're telling me that there was no moderator information regarding the bp in both pt's

SC never claimed. Varsoon DID the announcement. Both BP & extra vote are MOD CONFIRMED abilities.

[Almost50]

A50, PLEASE STOP ANSWERING OLD SHIT AND ANSWER 3051 SO I CAN TRY TO GO TO SLEEP AGAIN!

-Cerb

Sorry! When I'm several pages behind, I almost never read newer posts unless it's the last one posted when I'm submitting (and sometimes not even that, bc I click submit and then quickly click it again and then click the post I quoted to get back to where I left).

[Almost50]

I now have to decide whether or not I believe you seriously missed that, while simultaneously AGREEING that it would be a bad idea if he allied with grapes.

OK.. I fully deserve that.

I agreed it was bad to ally with grapes regardless. I already town read SC, so wouldn't want him to get RB'd. I also only missed the BP part, but the extra vote was still cool, you know.

But seriously, you OF ALL know that I DO NOT FRIGGIN LIE unless it's ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. Do I have to remind you of that fact IN EVERY VARSOON GAME????

@Varsoon:

Send RR the pm I sent to RI in bloodborne if you will.

Finally; How would I be lying about the BP when nit's already verifiable from Joy Ride as well? And if Joy Ride was a scum event by any means, how come the stress-o-meter went down by TWO levels. (I'll repeat: My event did NOT have an effect on the stress levels either way. I know bc Varsoon said if it did it would mentioned in the event description in the role PM. Now assuming I'm lying and it was actually a scum event, then something MAJOR must've happened to negate it's effect AND bring the stress down by not one, but TWO levels.)

Have a good sleep, my friend.

[Almost50]

-@almost, how do you explain Klingon having two votes when she should have none according to her claim she should have none?

Great you admit this confusion is your fault. Talk to me about Cakey's lack if scumhunting.

Um.. Mod error?? I have no idea.

As for SC's lack of scumhunting, He's been absent for sometime, did some at another time, but mostly has been the target of a fierce all-out attack on him he had to resort to defense most of the time.

[Almost50]

Since when do town bps get announced?

Since when do SCUM BPs get announced?? Don't forget he allied with me by his own will. Now if that was a scum ability and he knew it would be revealed to me, would you think he WOULD have allied with me in the first place? Even if he thought he could manipulate me, what guaranteed I won't be outing it for someone more experienced to connect the dots and call him out for it??

God, your cases suck big time! You need to stop right there. Like, seriously .. every attack you launch fails miserably. It's like you're sending in the archers w/o the spearmen, and when they get slaughtered you send in the musketeers w/o ammunition, and when these get slaughtered you follow with horsemen without their shields.

[Almost50]

that stress decrease was mastin's masonry holy shit

Yes, I know. What I'm saying to RR is if my event was scum triggered it would have -ate least- taken the stress up by one, and then Mastina's mason thing would have had to decrease it by THREE notches for us to get a net effect of 2 notches down. I was arguing against me being a lying scum who's all out to defend their scum buddy, which everybody seems to be stuck on in regards to SC.

[Almost50]

@Farside/Almost, I do hope you stick around. I'm sorry that I wasn't clearer or that we didn't have effective communication yesterday. If you could give me feedback on how to get reasons from you to see where things went wrong, that'd be great. Same with you Almost. I respect you both and think you both are town.

I .. have no excuse for being a fool. 4th time Scum!SC tricks me. That said, I now have no clear reads AT ALL. Most of my reads were centered around the idea Cakez was TOWN. Of course, those who kept pushing him despite resistance are now as good as confirmed town to me, but I'm talking about others (i.e. the Majority of players).

I think I'll just shut up and just sheep you and Mastina. Just tell me where to vote and I'll do it.

[Almost50]

But among the obvious, Obi-wan Kenobi is town; Titus virtually never busses, and when she does, it's strategically as a last-resort; she was hardcore pushing SirCakez so either she hardcore bussed (lolno), or she's town.

I whole heartedly agree with this.

But why are we voting RR? Do you think their confusion about what was written in the opening posts of my alliances with Cakez was fake?

[Almost50]

@Mastina, Can we slow the roll here on RR? I'm not hard townreading them anymore but I'd like time and the opportunity to mend bridges with Farside and Almost.

Not sure what you mean by "mending" bridges with me. It's obvious -to me at least- that I was farting under my sheets while keeping my head down there too. I have nothing against you. In fact, I owe you an apology.

It may take me a day or two though to bounce back and actually start playing again (i.e. try to sort alignments and stuff). All I know is your slot is town, and so are both Mastina and Yume. Everyone else I reset to null until further notice.

[Almost50]

This 'removed from game' effect is similar to a treestump in that the player is no longer a legal target or able to vote, but, in addition, they may not post.

In other words; Garnet put him in a bubble.

[Almost50]

Not Chara doesn't quite fit the pattern, the profile, for scum that I have built. Its early posting had some elements which did, and some of its later posting did as well, but there are huge segments which diverge from what I'd expect, and I just feel more comfortable lynching Cooldog/RR/Klingoncelt first.

Ok, I have but ONE favour to ask here: Could you please put your "pattern" in writing somewhere to post POST-GAME, so that I may understand what it is you were doing? Thanks in advance.

[Almost50]

@mastin: you do realize that nobody died last night, yes?

No, Firebringer is dead.
He was killed.

I'd rather not explain how I know this right now.
I just know he was.

Hmmm... did you have to use the word "know"?? I would have preferred to live my own dream of him being bubbled away by Garnet to prevent him from giving stuff to the wrong people. Oh, well.

[Almost50]

HINT: Maybe it had to do with the joyride and him being town amids scum. Just a thought you guys. Just a thought. Almost did say there would be an event at night from it.

almost did say he wanted somethign to succeed from there and next day the universal townread member of it disappears

Every single post I read from you makes me want to strangle you not with a rope, but with barbed wire.

1- Joy Ride was DISSOLVED before the day ended, and thus there was NO night event resulting from it.

2- FARSIDE dissolved Joy Ride, not FB.

3- If I was scum with Far, she wouldn't have dissolved my event, would she? You would think scum would have the decency to pre-plan together before they triggered an event. You'd also think they'd convene and pick the members of their own event.

4- IF the event was handpicked by scum, and it had an effect on some town player who would have to be on it for the effect to take place, you would think scum would go for some STRONG town player. Someone who would be a threat to the scum team regardless. FB only revealed his role during the Exposition phase (i.e. after the event was already on). You'd think Mastina, Obi or even RR would've been picked in there for the kill (since that's what you're implying it did).

5- The name of the event ALONE should make it clear it's a TOWN event.

6- If you missed that, the event had NO EFFECT on the stress level. Scum event tend to up the stress level.

7- You're whole argument (and -in fact- every other argument you make) is so dumb I have nothing to respond to. I only use sarcasm and humour to avoid outright calling you a shrimp.

8- The only think keeping me from voting you now and picking up on my tunnel from yesterday is the lack of confidence in all my reads from before as a result of the SC flip. I'm working on it though, and I think that I WILL end up voting you again and again and again until you're gone.

9- Being stupid is a privilege. Some just abuse it.

[Almost50]

@ALL

(Fit me into his creature scumread by saying he distanced me by sheeping me)

How many times did Shiro repeat this misrep BS? How many times did I explain it to her? How many times did she ignore my explanation and still phrased it the way she did.

THIS IS SCUM.

VOTE: Shiro

[Almost50]

My D1 Alliance with SC had the following content:

Format: Post #-Poster: paraphrased content.

0-Varsoon: Welcome, Day & Night chat, You can't be killed by normal killing actions, you posses an extra vote if both vote the same target (can't be the hammer vote).

1-A50: Tell me if this was a mistake and you're going to kill me. Enjoy the Event.

2-A50: Did you notice the double-vote thing?? It's also the same in Joy Ride, so we may have TWO extra votes at our disposal. If everybody in Joy Ride votes together that's SEVEN votes.

3-SC: Yeah, the extra votes are great. Better not use them randomly though.

4-A50: Agreed. You know full read lists isn't my style, but here goes:

{mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi}
{Sir Cakez, Foxbird, Skybird, Farside22, Firebringer}
{CooLDoG, Reasonably Rational, killthestory (jumps to top if confirmed IC), McMenno, SnarkySnowman}
{Everybody else} << Null
{Yume, Not Chara, kraskaesque}
{Nobody} << Stong Scum

Of course, these are subject to change. For instance, I'm not confident if my scum read on kraska is genuine. It could very well be due to her playstyle in general.

5-A50: Your lack of contribution here worries me. I wanted to be able to read you better and vice versa.

6-SC: Apologies. I wasn't at home for the day and haven't been all caught up. Why is Yume nullscum? And why is Obi top town?

I also want to ally with Mastin tomorrow as my role can protect her. She's scumreading me though, so I could use your backing here.

7-A50: As I said in Event thread; Obi is semi-confirmed bc of the Exposition opening post by Varsoon. he said Obi was "trustworthy". that bit couldn't have been put out there randomly, I don't think.

Yume is bc she confirmed Mastina too fast. I would've slept on it myself to see who will try to get rid of Mastina from the word go, and especially so when Mastina was already universally town read, so it looks like a thing scum would do for town cred.

8-SC: I read the OP, and I don't see how that makes Obi semi-confirmed. Also Mastina confirmed Yume through her role.

9-A50: You think Varsoon would say that about OWk out of nowhere? I think this was a result of an action or event, and my only concern would be the possibility of it being a scum ability, in which case it "may" be misleading info. Aside from that it could very well be that OWK is a modified IC of some sort.

Yume, I'm not fully updated on the matter. Could it be that Mastina's action only works on Town?? If that's the case then OK.

10-A50: You & Mastina.. we can see about that when we get closer to the deadline.

11-SC: Where does it say OWK is trustworthy? I don't see that.

12-SC: Found it. That's probably random stuff for flavor purposes. It also mentions KTS & Foxbird.

13-A50: I don't see how Mastina's ever going to change her read on you when you're pushing OWK with persistance. How about you ally with grapes as he proposed? That should clear you of any mishaps for the 2nd night in-a-row.

14-A50: Why did you pick me to ally with? What did you expect to gain and/or why do you think I needed protection?

15-SC: Obi is extremely scummy. I picked you bc my townreads were already taken, I didn't want to ally with someone useless. It had nothing to do with the protection tbh.

16-SC: I only started townreading you after we got allied, to be clear.

17:A50: Why are you sheeping KC on a vanity wagon FGS?? I would sheep NC over KC, if I didn't have my own reads that is. At least NC is active and engaging with most everyone. The problem is I'm suspicious of NC itself.

18-A50: How is NC's giving up townie? When YOU give up (as town) you tend to throw the towel. They are "still going to be around all night" and they "don't think they'll be lynched today". That's sowing doubt in the minds of the undecided.

also, there are endless attempts to get counter wagons going, and THAT is worrying. Sure enough, they're not all scum driven, but scum are for sure pushing some and waiting for one of them to take off. That includes the wagon on you, which was triggered by NC itself!!

19-SC: What is KC? When town give up they don't leave. They keep posting. Scum though will just leave. I -for one- get salty when I give up as town.

20-A50: KC= Klingoncelt.

21-SC: I didn't sheep her.

22-A50: Try to use your influence on FB to get him back in the Event PT and persuade him to vote Shiro with us. With FB & CD joining then you on top that wagon could be @ 9 votes instead of 4.

23-SC: Do I just outright tell him to get back in the PT?

24-A50: No idea. He's not being himself at all, and I'm starting to worry about the person he is IRL.

25-A50: Yo, man .. why is it everytime someone's trying to argue FOR you being town you turn the table on them and discredit their case yourself? you did that top me and to farside already. You're spitting in my face and telling me I can't read you for shit!!!

26-A50: Man, if you're scum -after all my hard defense on you- it'd be just like how you hard defended scum!me on my very first game here. If you're scum, consider us even. Just saying.

27-A50: Am I still BP here after Joy Ride has been disbanded?

28-SC: Bc I would feel bad being townread for the wrong reasons. Yes you are BP, until I'm dead.

29-Varsoon: Thread Locked with SC's lynch.

N.B. Wow, I thought that would be easy. It wasn't. I don't think I will do that to the Joy Ride PT as I initially intended.

[Almost50]

@Farside/Almost, I do hope you stick around. I'm sorry that I wasn't clearer or that we didn't have effective communication yesterday. If you could give me feedback on how to get reasons from you to see where things went wrong, that'd be great. Same with you Almost. I respect you both and think you both are town.

I .. have no excuse for being a fool. 4th time Scum!SC tricks me. That said, I now have no clear reads AT ALL. Most of my reads were centered around the idea Cakez was TOWN. Of course, those who kept pushing him despite resistance are now as good as confirmed town to me, but I'm talking about others (i.e. the Majority of players).

I think I'll just shut up and just sheep you and Mastina. Just tell me where to vote and I'll do it.

You see. This is the last thing I want. I want to be fought on my scumreads. I want to have them tested. That's how I verify them. Scum can easily hide in sheeping conftown.

Go out and find me scum. That's what I want. Even if we wind up disagreeing, I'm not going to automatically scumread you for it.

When my reads are untested, that removes a failure mechanicsm, particularly if there's some fact I don't know.

As I said, I am on the rebound/bounce back process phase. I will be back to normal soon. I'm jhust trying to reassess my reads bc some serious damage has been done to them due to the shenanigans of D1.

I'm back to scum reading Shiro (obviously) and I'm skeptical about DGB too. I think DGB was trying to start a vanity wagon to avoid the SC wagon towards the end of the day. Add Farside and her destroying my event resulting in FB getting killed/stranded/isolated .. or whatever happened to him that would probably not have happened if Joy Ride was still on, and you get 3 suspects that I think have more than an 80% probability of containing -at least- one scum in them.

I'm still not cool with the likes of Not Chara or Creature either, but I will try to not do pre-flip association much further. Like, it didn't look like NC & far are scum together, but I'm reassessing that as well.

I'll keep on reading, and seeing what other stuff I could find. Mastina's fairly confident farside is town, and I can see both sides of the argument, but I can't bring myself to fully trust farside myself.

[Almost50]

I still think Shiro and snarky are scum.
Cooldog and RR.

That's pretty much were I'm at.

I'll lynch Shiro, and to a much lesser degree CD out of those 4. Snarky is meh, and I can't help but town read the RR slot.

[Almost50]

Because we're TOWN and our event requires STRESS +1 or higher. We couldn't trigger it last night.

To be clear; this is one more reason why I think RR is town. My own event (Joy Ride) required a +1 stress level to be triggered. It had a priority level of 2, and would have been suppressed by events of priority 1 (or 2 if I lost a tie-break). In essence, I know there's at least one event that would've prevented me my Joy Ride from being triggered if that was also triggered, and I believe it to be RR's.

[Almost50]

Eventually, I want you to vote Reasonably Rational.

Not gonna happen. I mean, you can't have your cake and eat it too. You explicitly threatened to lynch me if I sheeped you (which I don't really if it happens anyway, ftr), and then you tell me to vote a town read of mine in the very next line?

RR has been screaming they handed us the SC lynch on a silver platter. I would tend to disagree, but only partially. I'd credit the SC lynch to OWK's insane tunneling (insane here is not the right word, bc Sc DID flip scum after all), but -on the other hand- Cerb DID go through the SC ISO point by point. The fact CERB did not come to the conclusive conclusion that SC was scum is IRRELEVANT, bc DRIXX did. I would've suspected Cerb was trying to discern the SC wagon rather than push it forward had his analysis been used by "someone else". But the fact is Drixx IS Cerb, Cerb IS Drixx for all practical purposes in this game. They're the same slot. They have the same role PM. They act like (and are treated as) one entity. One head did the work, the other came to the final conclusion, so the SLOT both made a case and concluded SC was scum. That's one more reason why I'm reading RR as TOWN.

So, MY conclusion is RR is NOT the lynch we're looking for. Just let them be for today, and see what comes out of their proposed event. Let's not forget many TOWN player will need to forfeit their own night action for the GOOD us all, and that a very nasty SCUM event has been triggered already, so I can hardly think of anything worse that could happen to us.

[Almost50]

So far events have been triggered during the day, not at night.

Actually, they get triggered at NIGHT, get "resolved" by the end of the night, and -if successful- they get ACTVATED by day.

Let me try again: I submitted my Joy Ride activation request during the prequel phase, and while the stress was @ +1 (a prerequisite for it to be triggered). I didn't get confirmation until the day had begun, and only then did we have the PT available.

I think Varsoon made it clear that events get triggered by night but do not count as night actions (i.e. these cannot be blocked by a Roleblocker or a Jailkeeper for instance, and they will not count as forfeited action towards the current hidden counter). But they do get triggered at night none-the-less.

[Almost50]

For the record, I'm having trouble reconciling the idea of farside as scum with her having a gun that ALSO costs town a lynch. Unless the ability has some other cost associated with it (most likely loss of a NK or something like that), I can only see that being a balanced tool to give to scum in the presence of 1) a number of traditional day vigs, or 2) day role blockers/neutralizes of some sort.

But even then...if Farside22 didn't claim that, how would anyone know to stop her? Hell, farside, is your vig publicly activated or privately activated?

-Cerb

Flashback: In Soccer Spirits; I had a day vig shot (I was scum) ONLY if our NK failed the night before.

[Almost50]

While you are around, why did you pick Cooldog to join the joy ride?

Someone had him as their top town read (I think it was Not Chara, but I'm not sure) and I figured if they (NC) were scum they wouldn't have put their own partner as their #1 town read.

@Shiro:

I think I'd need a little bit of an explanation there. What changed your mind about me after all that tunneling?

[Almost50]

5- The name of the event ALONE should make it clear it's a TOWN event.

6- If you missed that, the event had NO EFFECT on the stress level. Scum event tend to up the stress level.

STOP

S-T-O-P

I think you're barking at the wrong tree here. Shot what exactly??

[Almost50]

dude back the fuck up that was scompletely uncalled for

What was?!

[Almost50]

@Almost creature is town

You would have to say more than that to convince me. WAIT! You're not above suspicion yourself from my own PoV. Yeah, don't bother.

[Almost50]

To be clear; this is one more reason why I think RR is town. My own event (Joy Ride) required a +1 stress level to be triggered. It had a priority level of 2, and would have been suppressed by events of priority 1 (or 2 if I lost a tie-break). In essence, I know there's at least one event that would've prevented me my Joy Ride from being triggered if that was also triggered, and I believe it to be RR's.

And that means it's town because...?

Bc it needs +1 or higher stress to get triggered. I have deduced that town events need some level of +ive stress as a minimum to get triggered (as they tend to reduce stress) and scum events require some level of -ive stress as a maximum to get triggered (as they tend to increase stress). This way the game is self-balancing by tilting towards the side that seems overwhelmed/severely weakened at any given time.

[Almost50]

First of all, I'm pretty sure *higher* numbers mean high priority, but we should totally conform that with Varsoon.

I already did upon receipt of my role PM, and he told me what I said.. explicitly.