Mini Normal 1825 - Game Over

[House]

I don't like that he's not answering my questions or explaining reads.

So?

I have experience with town!BBT doing exactly that, and I do as well.

"So?" Really?

So, that's

bad

,

regardless

of alignment, that's what's "so."

Regardless of alignment. Precisely my point.

So?

[House]

This gives me an idea...

Everybody pick four top scumreads. Compare everybody's top four. Lynch the player that is most widely scumread among all players.

Chuck, Cass, Mathblade. I don't have a fourth. Maybe pitoli or rb?

If I recall correctly, piloting is popping up with a lot of townreads. Why do you suspect them?

[House]

This gives me an idea...

Everybody pick four top scumreads. Compare everybody's top four. Lynch the player that is most widely scumread among all players.

Chuck, Cass, Mathblade. I don't have a fourth. Maybe pitoli or rb?

If I recall correctly, piloti is popping up with a lot of townreads. Why do you suspect them?

EBWOP

[rb]

I'll get to other stuff soon - when is deadline? I'll try to respond adequately with at least a day or two to spare.

[MathBlade]

I don't like that he's not answering my questions or explaining reads.

So?

I have experience with town!BBT doing exactly that, and I do as well.

"So?" Really?

So, that's

bad

,

regardless

of alignment, that's what's "so."

Regardless of alignment. Precisely my point.

So?

Regardless of alignment they should want to be a better player.
I suck but I try to do better and am now not an insta Mislynch.

Granted I also suffer from weakened Titus Moon Logic Syndrome but I am working on the earth landing pad.

[House]

For him to pull off this act (if it was an act) of reverse-psychology-scumlord would require him to actually be really, really good at the game. Good enough to be capable of recognizing what is and isn't a useful thing to say and to consistently keep up this persona, even through high pressure (he's at L-2) and to continuously be able to come up with enough material to keep himself in that range of never actually contributing that much but also still being coherently incoherent. RyanK is the most obvious town that ever obvious towned.

Careful making such assumptions. I was in a game not that long ago where the newbtown read blazed to a glorious victory for her scum team.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=67031

About to head home and then hit the gym, but I'll post more this weekend. Was that boring? I know her outside game, she's very, very intelligent and has a knack for this kind of game - it's an outlier not the norm imo. But fair enough that you bring it up.

It was, and it's a valuable lesson that new to the site does not always mean new to the game.

Although boring admitted she had mafia experience elsewhere, the reason not to bring such a thing up if one rolls scum early is rather obvious.

[House]

I don't like that he's not answering my questions or explaining reads.

So?

I have experience with town!BBT doing exactly that, and I do as well.

"So?" Really?

So, that's

bad

,

regardless

of alignment, that's what's "so."

Regardless of alignment. Precisely my point.

So?

Regardless of alignment they should want to be a better player.
I suck but I try to do better and am now not an insta Mislynch.

Granted I also suffer from weakened Titus Moon Logic Syndrome but I am working on the earth landing pad.

Point is, bad play is not alignment indicative... which is rb's entire point about eh... what's his name.

Using bad play as an excuse to lynch is... bad play.

[Chuck]

Scumreading the guy that got killed wouldn't make him look town. If anything, it would incriminate him because it's indicative that he wanted that player dead, if he's scum.

I treat it as a towntell because I would never kill someone I could mislynch or could continue to tunnel to look town. Apart from you, I haven't seen anyone before who thinks this way of trying to mislynch their threats.

You "treat it as a towntell"... and yet... I'm your top scum read... who you are not currently voting, or pushing at all... yeah. Instead, you've been on whatever the biggest wagon of the day was, in every single vote count... yeaaahhhhh.


Believe me, I am dying to drink this Kool-Aid; it sounds like the tastiest I've ever had.

Unfortunately for you, I'm not about that life. #staywoke

[Chuck]

This gives me an idea...

Everybody pick four top scumreads. Compare everybody's top four. Lynch the player that is most widely scumread among all players.

This doesn't sound like an especially smart idea.

[Chuck]

Then again, you ARE Dr. House...

[House]

I suck but I try to do better and am now not an insta Mislynch.

Thing is, I rarely ever want to lynch "the eternal townie"

Spoiler:

TitusMeet inside joke

[Chuck]

I'm semi-ignoring you because I don't enjoy interacting with you.

I was inactive because I was studying for my exam which was today.

You are ignoring me... because you don't enjoy interacting with me?

That's funny, I thought it was because you were compromising!

Silly me!

[House]

House. I love you. Go to bed.

Can't sleep. Guess I'll get back to reading.

[Chuck]

I don't like that he's not answering my questions or explaining reads.

So?

I have experience with town!BBT doing exactly that, and I do as well.

"So?" Really?

So, that's

bad

,

regardless

of alignment, that's what's "so."

Regardless of alignment. Precisely my point.

So?

So, it's unconscionable to not only allow anti-town behavior to persist, but indeed to defend it when it is questioned or challenged.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm interested to hear Math's and rb's current read of me.

[House]

It's either town-cass with scum BBT or scum-cass with scum-BBT. Either way, you're the best lynch because I don't see a way that you're town here.

In both scenarios, BBT is assumed scum, but you say Cass is the best lynch?

What is this?

[House]

I don't like that he's not answering my questions or explaining reads.

So?

I have experience with town!BBT doing exactly that, and I do as well.

"So?" Really?

So, that's

bad

,

regardless

of alignment, that's what's "so."

Regardless of alignment. Precisely my point.

So?

So, it's unconscionable to not only allow anti-town behavior to persist, but indeed to defend it when it is questioned or challenged.

Doesn't change the fact that bad play does not change a person's role pm and lynching because of "bad play" is a cheap tactic that only serves to help scum.

It is town's job to find and eliminate threats to town. Bad players are not that's too town because they can simply be read, struck from the lynch pool as bad players, and ignored.

Lynching town simply because they're bad at the game only serves to help scum.

[Chuck]

Not answering questions, and not explaining reads, are both concrete examples of objectively anti-town play.

Are you done with the completely superfluous theory lesson yet?

Are you going to discourage objectively anti-town play, or are you going to continue to defend it?

[Chuck]

This is exactly what I was talking about in this MD post a week ago:

Unfortunately if you just mow through people who do bad things and "deserve" to be lynched, the Town loses more often than they already do.

At some point you have to understand that many people don't play the game the way you'd like it to be played ("well") and you have to get people to do what you want within the confines of how they want to play the game.

This statement is a small symptom of a greater problem.

If site culture now consists of valuing "teamwork" with people who don't play well with others, more than valuing victory, then "winning" is relegated to little more than a glorified participation medal where things also just so happened to go right for you that time because you hit the jackpot in a lottery of detrimental players.

What happened to old guard players teaching "the way things have been" to the new school scrubs by example, and lynching them mercilessly until "the way things are" dawned on them and they started contributing towards making "the way things'll continue to be" into something the old guard could comfortably hand off and retire? (or keep playing until they were well and truly over the hill but then thaaat's none of my business)

The inherent beauty of mafia-style "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" is that when anyone refuses to drink you can just rope them until they stop kicking. Neutering that is just watering down the game you claim to know and love, in favor of playing slappywags in kid gloves.

Knowledge and culture trickles

down

, not the other way around.

If you aren't part of the solution, then you're part of the problem.

[Expedience]

I'm semi-ignoring you because I don't enjoy interacting with you.

I was inactive because I was studying for my exam which was today.

You are ignoring me... because you don't enjoy interacting with me?

That's funny, I thought it was because you were compromising!

Silly me!

Seriously just stop I don't even know what you're trying to say

BBT, is your read on Mathblade 100% gut or you just don't want to explain? I don't know what to think of that, I didn't like how rb kept asking "why are you scumreading them?" and you just kept repeating "its null for me not to explain" rather than actually answering. Because at this point I'm worrying that you are not actually this confbiased and just faking bravado.

I don't even trust my scumreads at this point I just gave my vote to BBT.

[Expedience]

Not answering questions, and not explaining reads, are both concrete examples of objectively anti-town play.

Are you done with the completely superfluous theory lesson yet?

Are you going to discourage objectively anti-town play, or are you going to continue to defend it?

So your vote (not sure if you're voting him or not, otherwise push) on BBT is policy?

This post is disgusting regardless of your answer.

[Expedience]

This gives me an idea...

Everybody pick four top scumreads. Compare everybody's top four. Lynch the player that is most widely scumread among all players.

Chuck, Cass, Mathblade. I don't have a fourth. Maybe pitoli or rb?

If I recall correctly, piloting is popping up with a lot of townreads. Why do you suspect them?

They've posted a lot but haven't done anything I thought was town and a few posts I thought were scum. They've been in my peripheral vision for most of the game, not a strong read.

[Expedience]

Havent read yet will read after work.
However I did see last vote count I am at L-1 I am a VT.

Please give me a chance to read the thread and post thoughts.

And FYI my pronoun is them.

Why did you claim immediately before even reading the thread?

I thought you were the person always getting annoyed when people claimed prematurely

[rb]

It's either town-cass with scum BBT or scum-cass with scum-BBT. Either way, you're the best lynch because I don't see a way that you're town here.

In both scenarios, BBT is assumed scum, but you say Cass is the best lynch?

What is this?

I said BBT was best lynch.

[rb]

Havent read yet will read after work.
However I did see last vote count I am at L-1 I am a VT.

Please give me a chance to read the thread and post thoughts.

And FYI my pronoun is them.

Why did you claim immediately before even reading the thread?

I thought you were the person always getting annoyed when people claimed prematurely

L-1 claim is fairly standard no?