Mission 2a - The Fire and Brimstone Job

[Frozen Angel]

will read this tomorrow first thing in the morning I need a game to moderate right now

[Frozen Angel]

I am medic I am better in preception (5) and normal on demolition(3) and my logic is good (4)

Technomancer is good with logic (5) and is bad with demolition (2) and is bad on preception (2)

Face is bad with demolition(2) , good with logic (5) and good with preception(5)

I guess these are all involved factors in this decision so I'm ok with option number two , jaread what is your idea about that?

[Frozen Angel]

I have two questions

why you chose a demolishing rune for our characters

what happened to "I will change PV if its possible thingi?"

I have my doubts about ABR and the message thingi as well and I don't like the way my questions got ignored becuase I wasn't around before the night end. I want to sort my asteral fellows as well PV seems really helpful and freindly and generally ok in that private topic but out of it he didn't do so much.

[Frozen Angel]

I can understand yeah

I know how assholey this political Bullshit fights might get.

I prefred if you were analyzing what is the best for us though. anyway, I guess we can get this done with our line of abilities.

[Frozen Angel]

I am town again lol , hope you are as well

I have some guesses about stuff :
- I think scum did whatever they could with matrix and will strike astral tonight.
- I beleive for some reasons we son't see karnos flip. If this happened mathblade is 100% scum ; scum knew there is a way to janit the death or delay the flip if they just delay the lynch in hope for a vig kill at night and they could use it to make others beleive scums lost some of their utilities (like they made town think their vig is limited to matrix and is now gone)
- I beleive the game started with a day vig and a night vig who must guess their victims current region for doing the kill. MC was the day vig and scum controls the night vig.
- I beleive all the game roles started naturally and litterally every role can be town or scum and there is no witght in claims by themselves.

this is just what I think about the stuff atm

and I knew drixx joined matrix becuase if he weren't he was alive right now. that makes me think the vig knew he was a part of matrix and I'm sure its restricted in telling the region names.

I won't claim anything though. I wanted to tell this out load cuase I think jaread is town and there is a good chance you are as well

[Frozen Angel]

I mean I knew that before reading the game with only reading the setup and the pm's I got from the mod.

[Frozen Angel]

VOTE: Choice 2

[Frozen Angel]

what was the mod error you mentioned inter? they forgot to change pv with abr? are they changed now?

can you make the mods confirm a mod error happened before the night or not?

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Im town as well (although i really wanted to draw scum; so far ive only been scum once and i hate being town)

-they could be striking astral...wouldnt it be safer for you to leave it then?
-im tired of the karnos discussion as thats a horse beaten to death already. We'll see about that tomorrow, but i actually believe in mathblade being town. House is just tunneling for some reason.
-thats interesting...but i dont think SC was part of any pt?
-thats a rather drastic idea, and i think you might be wrong...the game would be unbalanced like that imo
But you could be right, my role makes sense for either alignment

Drixx joined matrix and karnos was aware since he can read pt's
Although it makes little sense to let vigs guess if they can see who is in the pt's...
I agree jae is town, obviously


Wanted to post this yesterday but internet died^

Yes, that was the mod error. It can't be fixed, but it will be publically announced at daystart, luckily.

I want you to ask mods to announce there was a minor mod error at night start that we shouldn't talk about or whatever. just the confirmation there was something from their sides. this might affect the amount of townread I have about you

- I have precautions about Asteral strike thingi. If they try to vig me they will probably fail and they might face a surprise.
- I think math vig shot is not proving anything about mathblade being town. looking at her closely she was on SC pushers who changed direction toward MC right after the unexplained vig eventhough she must know that is not making MC scum by itself. I expect more deducting from her. plus she suggested karnoos as secondary option but was against it a bit (the impact I got from jaread explanations) - I think she suggested hi but wanted the other suggestion copped even though she was calling karnoos scum on day 1 but never pushed him. Plus she delayed a confirmed scum lynch with a baseless inventor vig(?) which is when the outed scum claimed vig for no reason to make us think the scum vig will die with him (? or was it real).

I can see a clear attempt for gaining tones of town cred for a vig shot which is might just be scum suicide at this point cuase Karnoos is a publickly confirmed scum. plus that "not lynch , let u vig him" thing allows karnoos to use his action tonight which if he is really the spy one , he can use his abilities to determine asteral members current position to use another on target vig shot (which I made sure this will get confirmed tomorrow if happens with a plan explained in my message which I will send to one of you two)

- MC was a day vig of some kind and scum posses two killing abilities. thats all we saw so far so I'm going to assume its the case.(as I said I know there are multiple kills each night according to the wording of my role pm) so I don't beleive it was one shot matrix vig only. there must be something against asteral and maybe even the people in neither.

I beleive the roles were all there in game start, and people just signed up for them in drafting phase cuase all I can see so far can explained as natural roles.

I can see the possibility for scums to have extra abilities which they gain for just being scum.

afterall its just a theory at this point but I guess it makes sense.

Given the fact we all can enter and exit our pts at anytime as free actions and the way My role pm is written I am like 90% sure the day vig and the night vig are both regional limited (MC just viged SC in the main thread and thats why it works). and now that there is no day vig all the pt's are safe in days.

I just hope we get karnoos flip tonight but I don't trust the whole situation we're currently in

[Frozen Angel]

The fact I'm outing this line of thought here is becuase this might be my last night in game anyway so I just want to make sure jaread gets my line of thought (as I think he is town obviously)

and I want to beleive your town, I'm just not that sure about it atm - I want to risk this and trust you this much -

the rest about what was my plan about saving asteral pt or testing if its getting spied by scum is on my pm which I will send to one of the other 5 members who are adventurning (in secon thoughts I want to expand this pool to make sure there is a good chance for my target to live.

[Frozen Angel]

Although it makes little sense to let vigs guess if they can see who is in the pt's...

it really fits if all the roles were drafted and their all natural on their own

but even if I'm wrong in that part I'm sure its still related to regions somehow cause that must be mirrored of the wording in my role pm. I am a massive setup designer trust me with this.

[Frozen Angel]

There was 0 reason for karnoos to claim the vig shot considering they have day chat as well

This is a plan obviously and a wifom going on

if math is the scum vig she is gaining towncred for being the one who is shooting karnoos + karnoos lived an extra day this way

I want to know from Jaread how exactly was her suggestion on copping karnoos, it wasn';t her only suggestion ; I as scum would do this gamble which gives free town cred

At the very least Math should not be considered town for the cop and the vig , she needs to get sorted asap.

[Frozen Angel]

@mod

FA said:
I want you to ask mods to announce there was a minor mod error at night start that we shouldn't talk about or whatever. just the confirmation there was something from their sides. this might affect the amount of townread I have about you

not sure if its ok to publickly talk about this matters.

but I hope they are ok with announcing it in main thread during the night

[Frozen Angel]

The vig was done because karnos could jailbreak (we still dont know how it works) so we just decided that mathblade should ue the gun tonight, sinc it completely kills karnos AND we get a flip.

is this karnoos claim as well?

so during day 2 he claimed : matrix vig , pt spies jailbreaker

this won't add up I'm sure there is a reason and a plan for him.

another possibility : he is the asteral vig as well and he wanted to live till tonight to use that vig shot as well.

[Frozen Angel]

I know and I won't take your actions alignment indicative ; this helps me in sorting out the events and putting puzzel peaces together. thanks lovely mods

[Frozen Angel]

waiting for the second part of adventure <3

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delaying in removing a confscum from game is bad.

I dont trust an imaginary vig over that but I see your pov so thats fine.

[Frozen Angel]

Fun fact im now alone in the matrix; it might be safer to leave it as well?

its safer to change the place unpredictably. they need to know where are you in order to kill you

[Frozen Angel]

So they hinted very strongly that karnos was the better check without directly telling me what to do.

ok then I might be wrong about her

still I'm sure the way karnoos claimed means they needed for him for another night and I'm afraid of what will happen tonight.

I am ok with observ obviously VOTE: Observe

[Frozen Angel]

actually Jaread confirm that you didn't join any regions for the night. this way I will guarantee that you will live tonight . assuming inter is town we might prevent the night kill cuase your a logical choice for them.

inter dont forget to tell your night region in your message to whoever your sending it.

[Frozen Angel]

And since yume very obviously softed doc twice or so, i wonder why you are still alive.

its written on my role name lol I am a protective of some kind obviously.

Drixx was still alive if he didn't join matrix pt that night. this is why region knowledge matters.

guess yume was suspicious becuase of her lurking and thats what kept her alive (plus party members had priority) honestly I'm the best night kill for scum atm but I have no control over that one .

I ask you to send your last region to someone you trust the most. this is important info you need to tell before your death.

[Frozen Angel]

Jaread will be conftown if that vig goes through. so he is high proiority town member to keep alive.

if PV is town he is in danger of asteral kill as well. house push on math means they will keep both math and house (and prob abr alive) if all three are town. I have no read on house and a little bit scum read on vedith. I didn't like his activity on day 1 , his trolling and the way he reacted to MC vig.

[Frozen Angel]

they will probably sabotage an adventure and kill in the other so I want to wait till I see how stuff will go through

[Frozen Angel]

doing what again

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not dying tonight. Firstly I'm too valuable to scum kept alive. Secondly math will be on me tonight.

so math is a protective?

this is bad

I'm going to die

[Frozen Angel]

Pedit1: do you think there is a mole on the missions? If so, who?
Pedit2: saying what i want to say right before i say it
You did that in hunger games too
It was one of the reasons i neighborized you there

-> 6 people on two missions : SooperDetective , me , Jaeread / PV , House , Daenerys and Dragons

I want to beleive PV is town cuase it makes the whole equation easier , jaeread is town cuase of that cop check , I have a townread on you

As i said I have high doubts about vedith (and house is in that slot right now) , D&D is hard to read for me atm. I need some information or flips for that

so I think there is a high chance for scum to sabotage this quest and kill in the second one which makes PV a good kill shot - assuming he is town.

-> I am what I am.

[Frozen Angel]

I'm not dying tonight. Firstly I'm too valuable to scum kept alive. Secondly math will be on me tonight.

Do you think scum can sabotage a mission they are not on?
I think that both of you are town and we passed the first part already

I doubt this mission will be messed with, but we'll see.

I'm sure ABR told mod told them scum sabotaged the mission right after they passed all the three parts and before the dice role.

[Frozen Angel]

but ehh I see. its reasonable to assume they needed to be on the mission for sabotaging.

D&D was on that mission hmmm

[Frozen Angel]

why people has town reads on D&D?

I was making an iso table of events which is halfway complete , I cant see any alignemnet indicative anything from D&D

[Frozen Angel]

There wasnt a single decent agrument against them yet they were almost lynched

this is not making me think they were town.

I don't like the way people changed their targets in 180 oposite direction there.

I don't know SC alignment but I think there is obvious scum in the sudden MC pushers.

[Frozen Angel]

think about it

SC was already dead , what was easier than to blame MC and get the killer killed as well knowing their flip will remain secret. the reasoning for stop the wagon on SC were all BS , and scumreading a day vig for not annoucing the shot before doing it seems easy and opportunistic

[Frozen Angel]

Karnos , mathblade and D&D voted SC and beside D&D both stoppoed it so sudden so soon after joining there. (math never voted or just casted doubt? I need to recheck this)

mathblade was on of the people who voted MC right after the vig shot in the wave of angry blood thirsty voters

[Frozen Angel]

I was investigating that before tonight adventure , Thats not saying I'm scumreading math now. I'm .. doubtful

[Frozen Angel]

KC needs to die though , lurking is her scum meta

[Frozen Angel]

and pushing making no sense directions. it might seem innocent but her fangs bite

[Frozen Angel]

I assume math cleared herself to jaread last night so I want to trust jaread on reading her.

can you two please tell me your top three desire for protection tonight?

[Frozen Angel]

I forgot a little detail about my role. need to check this with mods before doing anything else

[Frozen Angel]

If scum can sabotage missions they might have spies as well that is not wise in first sight

[Frozen Angel]

oh btw pv was not lieing about the abr leaving time issues. his "I guessed flavor will be like that" seems really scummy. why he didn't tell anyone else about his flavor guess.

[Frozen Angel]

I like to know jareads view too.

for now
bye

[Frozen Angel]

who told karnos can jailbreak?

was this a part of his claim?

[Frozen Angel]

@mod if a player can scape the prison himself (not anyone else) and there are no other mechanics letting anyone else scape, will the rest of prisoned players flip?

[Frozen Angel]

oh I think its good to tell this : I believe house claim 100% because of a mod based info I have.

[Frozen Angel]

I still think that has nothing to do with alignments though

[Frozen Angel]

ok I can't heal matrix pt at all this is so fucked up

[Frozen Angel]

@mod if a player can scape the prison himself (not anyone else) and there are no other mechanics letting anyone else scape, will the rest of prisoned players flip?

Yes.

so stop having a death wish jaread

I guess scums know this as well, if they dont thats good for us!

[Frozen Angel]

Read the rules. A maximum of two players will escape after being publicly sent.

so if two players scape the rest will flip and all the possible other roles letting escape will be disabled for the rest of the game?

[Frozen Angel]

@mod so if two players scape the rest will flip and all the possible other roles letting escape will be disabled for the rest of the game?

[Frozen Angel]

ok so this something we can plan to achieve

we need to make two people scape

[Frozen Angel]

actually this means your role is not negative utility AT ALL. its the thing that might release the game from the current situation ; if you die we loose our chance for triggering it.

[Frozen Angel]

@mod we're waiting for the third part of adventure as well

[Frozen Angel]

That girl in the image is my character?!! :O

[Frozen Angel]

but they still had to make this look like an accident so no one would attempt to rediscover the tracking poison

but thats not really helping this is it?

[Frozen Angel]

And yes FA, but that means we have to lynch jae first
That gives little info
He can be killed while in jail i think
And it gives scum a free nightkill

I agreed , I guess that vig might be able to shoot in jail as well. (regional limited)

maybe the different regions vigs are in different people hands.

[Frozen Angel]

what?!!

[Frozen Angel]

I wasn't questioning the mod.

I was just trying to say making a video narrative is not hiding this from the rest of the world as it was mission objective

and about jae I agree , I am just saying he doesn't need to die for us to get the flips , even if he dies we won't get any closer to get the flips.

[Frozen Angel]

the only thing that gets us closer to getting flips is him getting jailed and scape which I never said he should do it.

I was just saying his death has no impact on clearing up the jail.

[Frozen Angel]

That girl in the image is my character?!! :O

It would have taken too long to edit the face but generally speaking yes.

:O

OMFG what the fuck am I!

I love me in this game!

[Frozen Angel]

wait

the poison we got is a "mass region tracker" :O

[Frozen Angel]

@Jaread what do you think? what is the similarities and differences between this operation and the one you did night 1?

[Frozen Angel]

I'm tempted to vote media

[Frozen Angel]

eh ok

VOTE: media

[Frozen Angel]

I voted this cuase you two are master of charisma in the game it must be ok

[Frozen Angel]

I request more images from the motherfucking wicked assassin ninja healer bitch who I am

[Frozen Angel]

ohh

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Is asteral / matrix / scum chat a day pt?

[Frozen Angel]

I mean are they counted as one?

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"Any PTs mentioned have day and night chat, unless a mechanic stops that." from MISCELLANEOUS part in setup post

so I guess they have day chat

what should we do

[Frozen Angel]

can he use this action in another night or is that for this night only?

[Frozen Angel]

yeah I meant that ty

ok so what should we do

[Frozen Angel]

no removing blockings is good

then mathblade will have no excuse tomorrow

if her vig failed dont tell announce this first , let her claim whatever she wanna and investigate the other adventure first.

[Frozen Angel]

will read everything after breakfast

[Frozen Angel]

A question : people got their alignments after the drafting phase or before that?

[Frozen Angel]

@mod will we keep access to this thread for reading this later on (after the night is over) ? cause I like to have this data if I lived of course

Just reading not talking obviously

[Frozen Angel]

RR I love you man

"That logic is flawed. Just because no more jailbreaks are possible after two people escape doesn't mean only two people total have the ability to escape. It's more likely that there are more than two because otherwise lynches won't reveal flips until really late. It might be a strong move to lynch you because your ability allows only you to escape but I don't want to lynch someone I don't think is scum. How would you sort Menno/SC? I disagree that they're probably not the same alignment. It's improbable they're both scum, possible 1 scum and 1 town, but also possible both town. If we ignore Menno's slip debacle. One shooting the other doesn't tell us much other than probably not both scum."

exactly where I am about them and your jail thingi

[Frozen Angel]

All the thing setup is saying is when 2 people scace the rest will die this strongly suggests there are more people with jailbreaking abilities or there are events which let a jailbreak. which makes your role all possitive utility but hard to use now that MC is dead.

"Math you're the only one I'm unsure of here. Your play seems plausible as either alignment. Jae was nulltown but his stuff in here pushed him up to actual town." this was also what I was thinking about Math in first iso/fact review and the initial source of my doubts. reading yet ...

[Frozen Angel]

"Strongest townread I have is Grovyle." can you confirm if this was mathblade perspective at the end of day 1 as well (in game?) or should I check that as well ... :~

why your read on scout changed from scummy to town? I am trying to follow your thought process , I'm not discussing my own reads atm.

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I have my doubts about ABR and the message thingi as well and I don't like the way my questions got ignored becuase I wasn't around before the night end. I want to sort my asteral fellows as well PV seems really helpful and freindly and generally ok in that private topic but out of it he didn't do so much.

With regards to this... Klingon is sticking to a townread because ABR said he sent a message to Drixx and she thought he wouldn't send a message to him if he was going to kill him. There's no guarantee that the message was actually intended for Drixx though, as you pointed out. Or at least I don't think Klingon confirmed that it was mod confirmed that the message wasn't intended for her. I find it really odd that she could get someone else's message too.

That's already a really iffy reason to townread someone, but then ABR returns the townread seemingly based off Klingon claiming to have received his message and confirming it with the phrases they had, which I found really weird?

I asked some questions before the night start which klingon nor abr answered. If I died please continue my thought process. If we had a way to communicate with drixx we could confirm this out but its not working out that way

Abr messaging Drixx if ABR is scum can only be because they have the ability which copied the message to klingon which makes no sense cuase then they knew their killing drixx and he won't be able to confirm that message anyway. this means we have three objects here :

Object A : Klingonsent : who claims her role has nothing to do with the message but she recived it anyway
Object B : the one who is responsible for thr message to be copied
Object C : ABR : who is the message sender.

so its eaither A lieing and klingon is spy who can read messages (used that to make her look good to ABR) or some shit like that
or C is lieing and ABR sent that message to klingon in first place for making absoloute wifom and to look townish.
or both are telling the truth and B is conftown for not using their ability to gain the messages for themselves (or an scumbuddy)

I don't beleive B exists myself cuase then B is a message redirector (who change all the sent messages to someone to another) then klingon should have recived my slot message to drixx as well which she never mentioned.

so obvious and first geture of this looks like there is a scum in KC / ABR

my slot message to Drixx has a role claim but no signature. I will send a copy of that to the one who I'm sending my own message tonight. push kc enough to claim if she recived any other messages that night or last night and get this matter resolved even if I wasn't alive anymore.

[Frozen Angel]

That very last bit about vigs being able to read PTs and see who is in there is kinda correct. Why would you have it be specifically so that you have to specify which PT it takes place in if you're not going to leave them to guess who is still in the PTs? Which makes Karnos' claim to have killed Drixx kinda sus.

I can't answer about this unless If I full claim which I prefer to not do that, if I died tonight with that and the information I gathered in my message you can understand my pov here. the way my role pm is worded seems it wants to hint on the killing abilities restrictions becuase a part of my role is mod confirmed useless by its own.

[Frozen Angel]

I can't heal scout unless he is already out of matrix pt before the night starts. so thats pretty much of the table.

[Frozen Angel]

Math wasn't pushing for a karnos vig though, they wanted karnos lynched because he's confscum. It was the rest of us that urged Math to use the vig on karnos because we wanted to be sure with the flip.

As far as Karnos' vig claim it seems most likely that he's the "eyes" for scum and someone else in the team is the vig. So there'll probably be another 2 kills from scum at night I think? Then Math's kill if it goes through.

yep I expect 3 night kills (me among them)

its eaither this or the vise versa (he is the vig and someone else is the eyes).

I'm sure the extra kill was limited on matrix region. thats why I believe tonights extra will be on asteral. anyway if 3 kills happen math is pretty much conftown

so eaither pv + karnos + a night kill or me + karnos + a night kill or 2 kills.

if neither me or pv dies and there were still 2 scum kills + math ; math is conftown scum probably has no asteral or matrix vig anymore so the pts must be safe from killings (if a spy flips then it will be safe from that as well) and they can be used for making blocks coordinating adventures and stuff

[Frozen Angel]

Scum can night kill in jail, I think?

jail is not dead thread so there must be stuff letting players target in there as well. I don't know if a normal night kill is one of them though.

[Frozen Angel]

Flavor is always good If you're asking about the options thing that's pretty standard to get two options, yeah. Seems to have both the clever way of doing it or the brute force way? We did a lot of charming, analyzing type stuff N1 and then escaped using magic.

I like to know if we would get other prizes if we were choosing other options and doing this differently but that doesn't matter at all. we can assume its eaither way. I just like to know if scum could sabotage this after reciveing the prize or not

and the way the flavor is written is making me nervous. we disabled aztech's mass regional tracker poison. if that was really a thing in the game and we deactivated it this means scum really needed to sabotage that particular misson for enableing something or preventing disabling of some ability of them.

all this in mind this adventures might be more powerful than they seem.

[Frozen Angel]

This is somewhat a good idea though I think. Even with Math's jailkeeping thing. I have a theory about that anyways. I was thinking there's a possibility no one gave Math a gun, and that was them soft claiming another ability of theirs? If that's the case then the jailkeep wouldn't be used tonight. But that's just a theory I have.

Yeah I don't think both exist. If we end up ruling out blocking then we need to go with FA's thing if karnos doesn't flip. Which means Math can't know that roleblocking has been blocked. I suppose saying something was done specifically about jailkeepers last night to them might work?

if we are disbaling block we need to hide this till every other single detail claims. if anyone claimed to be blocked we can assume their flat out lieing. this also applies to mathblade. outing this info with messaging is stupid.

[Frozen Angel]

Ok so what I'm thinking are roles that could affect the karnos vig:
Doctor
Bulletproof
Bodyguard
Redirector
Roleblocker
Jailkeeper

Anything else? I think shutting down roleblockers or redirectors tonight are ok choices.
We can rule out Jailkeeper as something that will mess with Math's shot. Also can rule out Doctor as that is FA. Which leaves BP, Bodyguard, Redirector, Roleblocker? Bodyguard would be terrible to be used on confscum so I don't think even if they have one they'd use it here, because it just guarantees an extra scum loss. So I think it's between bulletproof, redirector, roleblocker. I don't think bulletproof would be something karnos would be given the rest of his abilities he's claimed so far (being the bounty, seeing all PTs, and possibly the 1 shot matrix vig which is probably a lie). So yeah, redirector or roleblocker.

If you're right in that a scum!Math here would shoot elsewhere, the claim would be redirected. If scum have either a redirector or roleblocker and this is town!Math then they're gonna use it on them to mess with the shot for sure. Roleblocker I think is less likely to exist in a setup with a jailkeeper but then we're playing "outguess the mod" so idunno.

In your place I'd probably flip a coin. Shutting down the redirector possibility is good, but if we're wrong in the spec that rb wouldn't exist with jk then we miss out on karnos' flip. At least shutting down redirector would make it guaranteed that the shot is going to karnos so there's less chance of town dying unless Math is scum?

Karnoos can't reach night 3. jail him if the vig shot failed. This is not a joke. a confscum must be removed from the game asap. jailed is similar to dead in most cases. if he ran away kill him again. but eleminate him from the game asap cuase he isusing his ability whatever it is.

disableing redirectors is not a bad idea though. if someone is messing with messages this might prevent it. so if klingon or anyone else claimed they recived an extra message we can omit the redirector theory from there.

don't worry about math jailkeep. I have a protective as well. I just try to understand what is the best for me to do atm

**Please please please don't talk about the thing we disable tonight in your messages before the other adventure claim or KC / message thingi and math shot **

[Frozen Angel]

at least one people with that knowledge must live

considering the fact I can't heal you we cant make sure it works that way.

[Frozen Angel]

Ill send a mesage to someone that is not mathblade and someone who i trust with the info then

I will heal in jaread , pv tonight. and don't send it to me cause I'm very probably dead tomorrow.

[Frozen Angel]

and it doesn't need to mention you shouldn't send that info to math blade , abr or KC

[Frozen Angel]

wait there might be spy in messaging system

we better have a code for our three.

My message - if I ever send it to you two will use the nest alphabet in English for each sentence.

"J mpwf Zpv." means "I love you"

@mod codding the messages are ok with game rules? its not against the site rules becuase their not normal posting in games but Its up to you to decide about it.

[Frozen Angel]

oh i lost the main point. I like to know jaread idea about this way of hiding it.

it seems ok the way you wanna do it

[Frozen Angel]

I never vomit read lists - well I try to not to cause I like to tell myself that I can change them easily

but I will try to make one for this pt for sure.

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{Jaread}
{SooperDetective , PeregrineV , Mathblade}
{Mcmenno , Albert B. Rampage , Daenerys and Dragons}
{Space Cowboy , randomidget , Worldzmine , House}
{Klingoncelt}
[karnos]

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shut off all player initiated actions (meaning non-adventure) of a particular type

initiated action

this must be in refrence for the vig kill

@mod can somone use factional kill and a vigilant shot (if they have that) in the same night?

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ok what

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I guess the other adventure put pv in prison

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I dont know but this is so weird

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if its similar to sabotaging and tomorrow starts without house voting D&D and D&D voting house I bet you both are scum.

PV was the leader so I'm sure this is eaither

1 ) related to the prize itself
2 ) is D&D action (cuase he was in the last sabotaged mission as well)

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no I bet to you that both of them (house and D&D) are scum

and it makes sense.

killing party leader is bold move. the way they react to it and their explanation matters .

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I mean if there is one scum in that party who made that move its D&D cuase he was in the same party which their mission got sabotoged but house must see that.

If that kill wasn't something flavor/adventure related they were watching that adventure(for sure) , were inside it (for like 80%) and had the majority there : 2 scum in there (30%) and decided to destory the one who has the prize and completly silent whoever town had access to that topic (cuase it was only one people)

House D&D scum makes sense depending on what might happen ; That Pv death was really really dark and twisted

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abr never expling his reads , thats not something abnormal about him

I've also got some questions about D&D's mission and the prize for that. I asked them what they wanted to do with that prize - I guess that can be used any night because it's an effect for the whole game?

I cant understand this. what D&D mission?

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what was its prize?

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I'm confused that mission was sabotaged by itself

the prize of that mission was sabotaging a mission as well?

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that was a stupid mission to sabotage for scum

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like really really stupid

I can see that as an absolute negative utility.

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so maybe there was no scum there and they really sabatoged it from outside? :/ I'm confused

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what was their exact claim (I mean time wise) how they know the reward if the mission was sabotaged before that?

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when that mission got sabotaged? after party leader recived the prize?

if not how they know the prize

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it can't be a normal glitch

it might be a

Critical Glitch
A critical glitch is the same as a glitch but less likely to occur and has more severe consequences. A critical glitch occurs when more than half or more of the dice rolled are 1s and a player rolls no successes. Failures on a critical glitch can result in automatic mission failure, death of the glitcher, loss of powers, etc, as the narrative and game balance deem fit. Critical glitches are predetermined prior to the start.

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the game is kindda lost if there were 5 scum starting players and none is already jailed.

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ohhhh

it they couldn't sabotage the main mission that night so "It was neccessorry for them to be on the mission for doing it"

that means math is more likly towntown and there is scum in D&D , ABR , randomidget

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good night anyway.

I need to work twice harder

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before day start I mean.

bye for night

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the game is kindda lost if there were 5 scum starting players and none is already jailed.

ohhhh

it they couldn't sabotage the main mission that night so "It was neccessorry for them to be on the mission for doing it"

that means math is more likly towntown and there is scum in D&D , ABR , randomidget

Before i go

I think there is 4 or 5 scum
At best, one of menno-cowboy is scum, and random
That leaves 2-3 scum alive

17p
-2scum =15
-2dead town -modkilled - pv = 11 players
Lets say its 8-3
Karnos dead and 2 nightkills (like last night)
6-2
Thats not mylo yet, even with 2 nightkills
But if thats how it is tomorrow i doubt we should go on a mission, because if the same happens as to pv it could be mylo

^dont mind this i just want some numbers and its incredibly hard to do so without flips or knowledge of scum-town ratio

But i do believe there is scum in jail, at least random is. Karnos dies tonight as well if math is town, so thats 2 scum already gone. Its not as lost as you may think

you calculated the best sitouation but as a computer enginear we go with the worst case scenario always

if there is no scum in jail right now and math don't shoot karnoos in any manner (and the starting scums were 5) and their successfully manage 2 nightkills we're already lost

but thats just to bad to assume such a thing is true ; its just a heads up we don't have really that much time to waste for testing theories or whatever , we need to find scum and put them in jail/or kill them asap

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The timing of this was too suspicious. Scum are reading this PT.

If this is the case scout is likly scum which is something I really don't want it to happen

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Which PT was PV in? Can people rejoin PTs whenever they want if they leave?

I can tell you this now that PV was in asteral when he died and I really couldn't heal him tonight because of reasons , I was wifoming.

now my heal pool is changed but your still in it.

I am wifoming about several things about my heal and my role to stop night kills for if this thingies are getting spied on or there is scum in here .you need to understand.

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I can't figure out why Klingon would lie about it being related to her role as either alignment. A message redirector would have to know Drixx is dying so I don't think they're conftown for sending the message to Klingon (there's still a chance that Klingon and whoever is the redirector are on a team together and Klingon claimed for wifom and to look town since both she and ABR were pushing math). That will get cleared up after knowing if she received any other messages N1 though I think.

me neither. if KC is scum then its safe to assume another scumbuddy of her recived it , and they did a show to make townreads on each other (ABR/KC maybe?)

but thats too much to assume. the best thing we can get is if she didn't get my message or there is no other explanation about the middleman , at least one of KC/ABR is scum

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Can people rejoin PTs whenever they want if they leave?

I can tell you that I'm aware some certain people can. PV could do it.

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what if , if you crumb what was your choice (blockling redirection or Blocking abilities) in your first post in a very twisted manner. if this topic is getting watched scum will know that so we might be able to see if there is any signs of knowledge out there or wahtever.

I'm not ok with privious plan cuase I don't trust you as much as I was before the pv shot sorry but jaread is right that the timing of that is really suspicious

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tomorrow questions :

1 - how did pv died (from house and D&D)?

2 - Did KC recived my message as well on night 0?

3 - Exactly When night 1 mission got sabotaged and how did that happen?

4 - if karnoos is still alive :: what did math do?

5 - if karnoos is in jail but not flipped :: why math didn't claim this last day?

6 - if the kill numbers make no sense : who and what intefered with that?

7 - What is house read on D&D and vise versa

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night 1 yeah. as I said my slot sent a message to drixx as well which I will send its content to the person I'm healing to make sure it will remain in game even if I die.

there is no evidence indicating tonight's mission got sabotaged. I think its failed becuase the leader died but thats way different than what happened night 1. but yeah

8 - Exactly When PV died? what happened to the mission and the prize?

9 - if it was a critical glitch explain the whole flavor thingi which lead to that.