@Saru
In post 2163, Saru wrote: In post 2070, Dierfire wrote:No, my vote was not cast for the purpose of having MathBlade answer my questions to golden009 (in fact, I didn't have many specific questions for golden009--I was most interested in hearing updated opinions, which a replacement would tend to provide without prompting). I also didn't need a response--from golden009 or MathBlade--to my accusations.
So, let me get this straight: you wanted to hear only "updated opinions" from a replacement, but you also vote the slot AND didn't need nor want a response to your accusations from that slot? Sounds like to me you were beyond sure that, that slot would have flipped scum. But then, when the replacement for it does come in, you end up just unvoting and then never providing actual scum reads or an actual vote. Your thought process with the golden slot has been utterly inconsistent.
It's actually so blatant that I'm surprised I'm the only one noticing it
.
I'd given my thoughts on golden009 in
1557. Which of them looked like they required a response from golden009? Also, as I have multiple players expressing suspicion of me, the underlined (my addition) feels...exaggerated to me.
And as to the quote that you posted, no, it's not me saying you town read rb because he town reads you. My point was that since you didn't respond to an argument that had your name come up so much(which is really not like you), it felt like you were giving a silent nod to rb's arguments against me. You prove this to me when you come back with the same exact stuff that rb said about me after I prompted you for a comment. Almost word for word.
You are saying that you were worried that I was agreeing with rb more than with you? I was agreeing with rb more than with you (I especially liked
1528 and
1538!), although it's not clear to me why that would worry you.
Dierfire wrote:Here is my line of reasoning. Martha had hinted at having a role in
578, and the Mafia players were evidently aware of this (as they killed her N1). In
614 golden009 casts a vote for Martha (vote was on me before that). This is after the wagon on Martha largely dissolved, so why is golden009 moving his vote? He didn't have much of a chance of lynching Martha. He didn't need to move his vote to have it parked on someone who wouldn't have been lynched (the existing vote on me would have fulfilled that purpose). He didn't really need to worry that a vote on me would attract a tremendous amount of suspicion. Therefore, I'm having difficulty seeing why the vote moved if golden009 is a Mafia player with access to Daytalk (the Traitor role crossed my mind, but I think that a Traitor in MathBlade's position would most likely not claim VT).
Wait. So you couldn't have thought of this before-hand? Meaning, you scum read golden from D1, but all these actions you JUST described are ALL from D1. Like...what? This just sounds like an excuse to hop off the wagon on a slot whose replacement isn't one to go down so easily. Pushing someone like Math is going to be hard for you to do, and I'm sure you know this from Mini 1800. Hop off when they come in with some convoluted reasoning, nice.
Well, it would have been hard for me to use this logic D1, because I hadn't seen Martha flip yet. If you are saying that I should have picked it up earlier D2, then perhaps I should have (although I didn't see you pointing it out either--if you saw a problem with my theory that golden009 was Mafia, perhaps you could have pointed it out to me sooner, and if you don't agree with me about the "convoluted reasoning" here then I'd like to hear why).
In post 2205, Saru wrote:Don't accuse someone and then not expect or want an answer from them UNLESS you're 100% sure they're scum.
This might be the source of our confusion, I suppose. Again, I'm not seeing that my specific accusations against golden009 required any specific response from golden009, and I disagree that this requires 100% confidence on my part. When I want a response, I will ask a question. When I state a read, while I am pleased to receive input from other players about the read (including the player that I am reading), I don't need any response.