STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

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I am reading the thread now.

I would like to hear anyone give a random summary so I can start getting a feel for people.

Oh and just the facts in that summary no opinions please.

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Okay so it looks like there is an alliance mechanic of some kind and people are talking of doing people and some such

Like I would like to be in an alliance with someone to be able to discuss the game and what I read.

Has anyone looked at who voted SirCakez yet since I think red is scum in this game?

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@Mathblade: sup yo?

If you check the tail end of Titus' ISO she wrote up a decent summary.

Fyi, your slot is basically scumread by all the movers and shakers of this game.

Klingon: you're being ridiculous. Stop being ridiculous, or explain why the precise phrasing Titus used is more likely to be a scum slip than anything else.

Shiro point about Creature is a valid concern. It would be nice to hear his perspective on the matter.

And on his blank vote for me on D1 after saying he townread our slot.


--Cerb

Pedit: your SU gambit was a lie. Not misdirection or obscurity, but an outright lie. Beyond that, I don't actually recall any other gambits you've performed as town, because I don't think I've played in a game with you as town where you cared enough to attempt gambits.

Don't care about the scumreads. Will help out town as long as that is. If that means mislynching me after I get some reads down so be it. I replace into slots a lot and am used to being scumread for it. I plan on checking lots of ISOs so I will do that. Thanks.

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I was in an alliance episode 1 with a player and some big weird one. I am not sure if it is going on still or not just the thread locked. Will ask the mod. I need to read up more in depth on how the alliance stuff works but maybe?

I am more trying to post here so I don't fucking drown.

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Seen enough from that slot.

Let's let the lurkfucks catchup/be replaced while we run this up to a claim. Go from there.

The day is just about at the point where it's gonna start dragging can just feel it.

This game is more than 100 pages past RVS. Excuse me while I read. If you wish me to address something ask.

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SirCakez (LYNCH): Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, grapes, Shiro, Xkfyu, SnarkySnowman, Yume, Kraskaeaque, Klingoncelt, Reasonably Rational

So this is who was on the wagon that flipped scum. Finding the first few non RVS votes will likely be town just based on lynching patterns and scum would likely be in other places.

It looks like people are talking miller claims?

Who claimed what?

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Is it bad that I don't know what half of those pronouns mean?

Pronouns are pronouns. They are what people ask to be addressed as when you are not using their name.
They don't mean anything more than 'he' or 'she' do. Nor do they mean anything

less

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There might be some technical differentials here and there, but I honestly don't know them because I don't care to, and you know why I don't care to? Because I don't need to.

The one, and ONLY, important thing, is to respect the wishes of an individual and to address that person with the pronoun that person requests. Even if it's something obscure. (Though, I've heard of well over half of those before because I'm active in that community, obv.) But this should go without saying. The pronouns mean something to the person asking to be called by them. There's literally no harm in me respecting the wishes of that individual, yet quite a bit of harm in me deliberately choosing not to.

I don't know what this is in regards to but this should be quoted for truth.

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I was pointing that out to try to find town and show my thought process. I don't think there is enough to get a scumread off that without an in depth reading. Was something I said unclear?

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Okay clarified so I am not in any alliances right now.

Would anyone like to be?

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I was pointing that out to try to find town and show my thought process. I don't think there is enough to get a scumread off that without an in depth reading. Was something I said unclear?

Nah more like CoolDog has fitted you for a rope unless you give good reads and fast.

That usually happens with a replace in at this point. I would rather take it slow and give good well thought out reads on each player. If people Mislynch me for CoolDog they do but then at least I have left town with something good.

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Look I don't know what Cooldog did but at the moment I'm sitting at 10 and all I did is replace in. Let me get some reads going. It's 12:30 here and I have to be up at work at six:30.

And people are talking double voters. Jesus...I'm still trying to get a hold of the fucking mechanics here.

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Just got through the first few pages.

Titus either badly crumbing or scum. Leaning on the first.

RR probably town. Although that summary was just why cooldog was supposedly scum unless i"m missing something

FoS on Grapes for trying to match people and calling them lurksacs at Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:45 pm when thread opened at Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:22 am This is 12 hours. Most of Grapes content so far seems to be empty onliners

KlingonCelt probably town

That's to page 16.

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McMenno likely town

Almost 50 probably town for the SirCakez alignment poke

One of Kling or Mastina leaning Mastina is scum because of miller crap. Leaning Mastina.

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that's not how it works driedgrapes
explain ur scumpool first

Wow it's almost like you called them shit just to call them shit because it doesn't seem like you were ready/willing to have a conversation about this.

have you considered that maybe my problem with your reads is i cant see where theyre coming from?

Lynch this slot with all due haste.

This is either scum theatre with grapes or just outright scum by Kraskaesque

No player says that it's a problem with your reads is that they can't see where they are coming from. And they are asking politely if they've considered no. This is likely scum lynch it.

Left off on post 553.

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KlingonCelt probably town

One of Kling or Mastina leaning Mastina is scum because of miller crap. Leaning Mastina.

these aren't progressive thoughts^

Yes they are I'm literally spitballing everything I'm thinking as I'm typing. I'm not bothering to make it pretty for you. I know you desperately want me mislynched but at least poke out things that make sense. This push is bullshit.

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Fuck this it's 1 am I'm going to bed. I'll pick up after work and try to post as I can over my lunch break.

@Klingon -- k. I haven't gotten that far yet to see the obvtownie ness. Will note that you think that as I read tomorrow.

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Farside, stop with making this personal. You see how most everyone didn't Unvote Cakey. There is a reason why that happened. It's not because I am in a crazy unreasonable tunnel but Cakey is actually scum. Do you think that grapes, Mastina, nc, McMenno, Kraska, and myself are all in an unreasonable tunnel?

We're all processing the information in our own way. This total myopic defense of Cakey merely because I believe he is scum is why I don't trust you to listen to what I am saying. The sea of discredits plus you destroying a total limitation on scum and not making certain players BP is antitown as fuck.

Even if you think I am nuts, you have systemically ignored everyone else thinking Cakey is scum and why they say it. It gives off a "this is personal" vibe and that stings. It also suggests you are the one not listening. Almost at least realizes that he bungled his claim and is giving me time to sort through that.

I really don't like how you're attacking Almost here as well. He's made a mistake under either interpretation of honest Scum Cakey or lying scum Cakey. Being wrong and holding onto that belief until evidence contradicts it isn't crazy. This whole manta you have of attacking players sanity to discredit them when they disagree with you is ridiculous, toxic and it needs to stop Day 2.

You only care about those that agree with you.

Thank you for that proof.

I'm not even attcking A50. Not even close.
There is like a ton of difference between nc and you.
They are trying to figure players out. They are engaging with the scum read to clarify.
They are actual seeing more truth then you.
Seriously all you basically said is town need to work together but not once did you try to understand someone else's POV and think for a second there view might be right and you might be wrong.
There is a difference too.
I already think grapes is scum.

Farside22 I would want to ally with.
Thefuzzylogic99 I think is scum which is rather disheartening as in order for my power to work besides special times I have to be in an alliance with him.

I am beginning to wonder if this is a game where Titus actually broke meta and bussed.

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Still reading will do so after work but that jumped out at me after reading SirCakes ISO in a couple of spots.

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@Math, why does 464 happen if you have to be in an alliance with Seraphim/Fuzzy for your role to work?

Cooldog was mentioning being ascetic.
Which I am if hit with non factional abilities at climax which I think is night.
I was referring to my main ability which would be dumb to trigger every night.

Will full claim when I get home

@Farside -- Are you forgetting about when Titus went "Baaah Farside" in the last game we were in?

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@Titus

Why do you consider me town outside of M's word? I've hardly done anything.

@Farside22 this shoot mentioned is it a vig or a cop?

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@Yume why is that spoilered?

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Why do you disagree?

Also, which night actions? I don't recall doing any

If you like it it isn't a mistake. Just annoying as fuck.

If Farside is a cop I am only ascetic at night they could just cop me.

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Sorry phone posting will find it now.

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that's not how it works driedgrapes
explain ur scumpool first

Wow it's almost like you called them shit just to call them shit because it doesn't seem like you were ready/willing to have a conversation about this.

have you considered that maybe my problem with your reads is i cant see where theyre coming from?

Lynch this slot with all due haste.

This is either scum theatre with grapes or just outright scum by Kraskaesque

No player says that it's a problem with your reads is that they can't see where they are coming from. And they are asking politely if they've considered no. This is likely scum lynch it.

Left off on post 553.

was kraska scumreading grapes here fully, or just pressing them? Math, which did you think it was?

I haven't gotten through all of their ISOs but I don't ask a scumread what they have considered. That is what I ask someone who I think is town and derping. The fact this is pressure but acting townie towards them at the same time makes me lean scum theatre between the two or TvS. Leaning S&S ATM

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I definitely don't think there is a "reading" being done there.

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Why did both DGB and CoolDog fail to claim their ascetic?

Also why is DGB ignoting my questions from earlier?

Finally, does anyone have any opinions about my event utilization besides titus?

Oh, one last thing I guess: the "I'll have reads tomorrow" being a scum thing per DGB is bullshit. Scum aren't fired up by scumhunting, sure, but they should sure as fuck be fired up by the chance to do something they only do 1/3 as often as they're town, and reasonably pretend to scumhunt. I get that some people have trouble getting into that mindset, so maybe it IS a bit more likely thar such a thing is said by scum...but in a game with a sizable amount of content, I don't think it's meaningful (especially if the slot ends up replacing out).

That's a bad reason to scumread mathblade and fuzzy imo.
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He hinted at it in the post Titus mentioned. He just didn't say it outright.

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can you conceive a situation where one is trying to figure out a read and asking questions like that?
what you would do isn't every player in the game.

what made you think kraska was scumreading grapes there as opposed to attempting to sort them?

Not off the top of my head for the first question.

For the latter when you accuse someone of saying that is not how the game works that to me is an indication of a scum read. Pressuring/sorting involves asking why. Scum reading involves statements.

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@Titus who is conftown according to you?

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My roommate owns this little dog and it hates me. It chews up my stuff (destroyed a favorite cup of mine, almost destroyed my glasses) and it poops on the floor where I sit. When I try to approach it kind and small, it cowers. When I pick it up, it voids its bowels completely of all urine and feces. I'm starting to really hate this dog and I'm at wits end with it. It barks incessantly--it has a real sharp yip that I can't stand. It never uses the bathroom outside despite being let out regularly. When it sees its owner, it gets turned on and licks his face, acting like some sort of nice dog (and total pervert). The owner just lets it walk all over him and calls it cute, but I hate the mongrel and I don't know how to reconcile things with this dog. I think everyone in the house treats it without discipline and just accepts the fact it does these really annoying things and because I don't, it fears/hates me.

Take your puppy to the vet. <3

V: It's not a physical problem, but a mental one.
The dog hasn't been trained at all, no one but me wants to treat it as a dog should in a human/obedient relationship, so it responds to me with fear and aggression and escapes to the other humans that it believes it owns/controls.
It also is dealing with a great deal of separation anxiety because its owner leaves for about 2 days each week and its old owner passed away recently.

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@Titus who is conftown according to you?

Yume.

Yume confirms Mastina.

They confirm Because?

I won't be able to read til late tonight so apologies for asking the what is probably obvious.

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And what is one is telling the truth and one is a godfather? Ergo I think Mastina claimed Miller right?

What if she flips town by that PT thing but is actually scum?

It could be either way mechanically.

The most likely scenario is both town and I will keep that in mind for my read but they are not confirmed. And in the extreme derp case both lying.

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Whoa wait a minute. If only one is confirmed how are you saying they confirmed them both?

Like what made you say that Titus?

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Oh okay. Got it. So You confirm Yume is Town and Yume confirms Mastina so all three are confirmed unless you are lying about what the mod told you. Makes sense.

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Oh so it is even deeper lol.

Maybe this will make sense to you and the droids not looking for.

Never tell me the odds! - HS

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At least I have a good foothold. So unless Titus is scum and lying about mod telling her because of an action then all three are conf town.

So Titus is either conf town or gambiting.

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I gotta get back to work but will log on tonight.

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Still at work longer read will have to take place later. Did anyone have any questions for me that I can answer quickly?

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1) I get whatever bonuses my ally gets.
2) Can't ally same player twice in a row.
3) Season Finale I can use any powers I have gained through allying as well as any during the Season Finale Alliance.
4) if I don't take any action during the Climax Phase which is unlikely as I only have one that I can't use (more on that in a second)

The ability (whatever it was as I am not depants ing Fuzzy but in case he is a town PR) but to use it I have to be in an alliance with them or the season finale. I gain the ally bonuses only during the alliance or during the Season Finale.

My character Lars seems to be a bully based on flavor. Oh and I am human and Earth aligned.

So long story short right now I do nothing unless I am allied. I am a sponge.

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And now for part two because phone le sigh

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During the night phase nothing except faction abilities (implying scum or multiple scums have faction abilities)

During the Season Finale this changes slightly and I don't want to tell the scums how in case I am not mislynched.

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Being able to use whatever I ally with is fucking powerful.
If I ally with a cop I cop
If I ally with a bus driver I bus drive
If I ally with God power it is God power squared

And I am ascetic at night.

For the love of God in Titus moon logic please explain how this isn't powerful.

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Plus I rolecop ally bonuses so people's can't lie to me about it.

So *glares* I am like a Joat on roids

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Explanation please

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Technically you put my slot at L-1 I want to know why.

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Grapes and Karkesque scum.

Gave what I had last night. Haven't had a chance to read further.

I wouldn't out the cops if I allied with them that would be dumb. I would just never vote for them.
And again I would have to read the thread and be picky about who I allied with.

CoolDog could have lost interest I don't know. I just know what I am. That is what happens when you replace into a 180 page game I have no way of finding every replacements post and addressing issues. I just read and play forward.

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Gotta sneak back to work will check this later.

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*Glares*

Titus look you are either scum or have a pole stuck so far up your shiny ass that you can't see that I am town.

Let me be bluntly clear here. You are derping hardcore.

None of the ascetic claims have to be scum just like none of the Miller claims have to be scum. I made a gut judgement without reading the thread and I won't get time tonight.

My claim is not a CC to Cakez as I wasn't allied to Cakez.

I don't give two shits about your supposed conf towning of someone else I had Karnos do that in 1800.

If you think this is my scum meta make a fucking case sis.

I see nothing here.

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Double scum ascetic, neither of whom claimed publicly before the end of D1?

Yeah, no.

It's not just the setup spec, it's the play.

But the setup stuff is valid too.

-Cerb

Incorrect 464 RR it was hinted but not outright claimed

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If I was scum I would have lied about being ascetic as it looks horrible at this point but I am likely going to be mislynched so I want people to have the reactions to how people push me and I hate yours sis.

Your play is usually not this terribad.

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I wouldn't have mentioned it at all.

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Explanation please

JOAT on 'roids is a scum role.

Didn't say that phrase til after you voted me.

Explain your vote.

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I don't care about how you cases what feels like a policy lynch.

Most everyone here seems to be the content on let's sheep this wagon. I bet you almost no one has made cases.

And no not the whole town.

I understand in Gistou I was scary because I was townread. The only thing I am asking for is to remove me from L-1 give me time to read and not Quickhammer. It isn't fucking hard.

Let me play.

I am town but if you think I am scum it is to your advantage to let me talk so I can interact with slots so you can get ISO interactions rather than a policy Mislynch.

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You cased CoolDog which feels like a policy lynch*

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Who is NU?

And I am doing my best to at least give decent reads. I fully anticipate being mislynched. All I am asking for is a chance to play and read the thread and give reads. And for a case against me to be made.

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Right and at L-1 Scum could come by and hammer.

All I want is a chance to give reads before I go out but it is 180 pages and I have been at work for close to all the time I have been awake and the rest devoted to Mafia.

Like I said I anticipate being mislynched. I just want a chance.

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And evil yes town tbd

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Well. I could case you, but I would rather have you read and give comments on every slot first.

I'm am an evil town queen like that.

Fact is, I don't need to.

The burden is on the persuader.

I expect anyone voting for a slot to be able to provide a case for it. Anytime. Part of the hunt.

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I already did grapes and karasque.

I will have to put off the reason til tomorrow because ya know work life balance

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Mafia life balance* whatever words things.

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Put off the read through * fuck autocorrect

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Mathblade, give us a time line here.

When will you be able to produce informed content?

-Cerb

Tomorrow is my short day so the end of tomorrow night.

We have 9 plus days til end of day.

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You can certainly give gut reads without fully finishing
Town: A B C and D
Null E F G
Scum H I J

for instance

I'm not asking for full on cases here.

There is more than 10 players a gut read on players I haven't interacted or read is impossible.

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Shiro be scums.

Waking up for work.

Scumreads on Kraskeque grapes Shiro

Shiro w/ the no cred thing is literally having no opinion when we flip town no blowback.

RR town for not being a complete tool and actually thinking about things.

I like Titus as scum with a slim chance of Mastina and Yume actually rounding it out. This entire conftown business feels like a Titus gambit. Granted only taking Titus's word that happened need to read but Mastina is better than this.

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Will read more tonight.

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VOTE: Shiro

Not like anyone will listen to me but I will help a townread out.

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Will reconsider grapes if I manage to not be mislynched today which is highly unlikely.

Titus confirming Masons? Claim is bad as it makes them a target. Then she has the gall to say to me that confirming a cop is bad. Who I ally with isn't conf town by any means. Then again the odds of allying for me are even slimmer than just living.

I don't know what links you are talking about just this is obv Shiro scum.

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So Titus Shiro K Cakez. Don't see four for a game this large probably one or two more. Gotta go to work will read later.

Pedit

Titus I was AT WORK until 11/11:30 last night came home and slept and posted when I woke up. I GET TO SLEEP I GET TO WORK. I have this thing called A LIFE and it does not involve staying up through the night straight so I can't function at work because of Mafia. Now I said today is my short day will work on it when I get home.

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Oh no. Titus you do not control this game.

People do what they want how they want.

If Grapes isn't scum I would put money on DGB.

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I am running out the door.

Titus does not plan actions out in the thread or us townies are fucked.

I have to go to work but for the love of God use your own brains.

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So Titus Shiro K Cakez. Don't see four for a game this large probably one or two more. Gotta go to work will read later.

Pedit

Titus I was AT WORK until 11/11:30 last night came home and slept and posted when I woke up. I GET TO SLEEP I GET TO WORK. I have this thing called A LIFE and it does not involve staying up through the night straight so I can't function at work because of Mafia. Now I said today is my short day will work on it when I get home.

Already did my gut reads please stop lying in thread.

It is scum tastic.

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Y'all are fucking horrible.

If that is hammer I am not replacing into a slot where y'all don't even want me to play. Should have just hammered without asking for a replace if you won't give me a chance to give informed reads.

Titus if not scum is very disrespectful for asking me on Skype to replace in then asking others to not let me play.

Shiro is more likely scum. But I want Titus's head for that disrespect.

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@Titus I AM AT WORK

@Farside DGB needs rope too for copying my claim when I flip. DGB +Shiro top scumreads

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Fml work just threw something my way. Starts at 8. Will have from about 6 to 8 pm then will post what I have then be back on again around 11/11:30.

I will use those approximately two hours to do what I can.

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That is all PST.

Someone link me to the things I need to read first as soon as I get the chance I can't read 180 pages in two hours.

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Dude tit's thing was a typo but I'm totally calying Titus tit's the rest of the game.

No you aren't. Just because I think Titus was disrespectful and scum doesn't mean you get a pass to be disrespectful. Common decency it is a thing.

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Now I am going back to work. Children play nice and I will start read through at 6 PM California time

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Except I did respond. And I pointed out where I responded.

It is factually inaccurate to say I did not give reads and to say my reads are OMGUS

Now I have one meeting to do then rereading.

Mastina isn't this bad.

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Oh and hi FB and hi shadow_step

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Mastina I am fighting my own battle and making unique points.

Hell even RR commented on them.

Let me ask you this one simple question.

I know I am town. Assume for a brief moment you stop tunnelling and that I am town. Who is scum? Mostly pushing this bullshit lynch without giving me a chance to finish my reads. Who is scum if I am town (which I am).

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Playing while reading. It is a thing Mastina.

I respond and read. Your entire case is I have a life and haven't read 200 pages. That is your case and it sucks.

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Out for now yo. Next post will be close to 8 as I reread.

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Except I did respond. And I pointed out where I responded.

It is factually inaccurate to say I did not give reads and to say my reads are OMGUS

Now I have one meeting to do then rereading.

Mastina isn't this bad.

@Mastina please respond.

On my way to the office again in a bit to do a through read after I finish up something here

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Gee it is almost like scum tried to kill me and couldn't so now they want to mislynch me.

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Yeah if I live I want to ally with Farside. Let's hope scum don't hammer me while I ISO a shit ton.

Mastina would love if you would respond to where I point out your hypocrisy about my reads.

You said I didn't have any gut reads but then accuse my gut reads of OMGUS.

Sounds like you are scum or conf biasing.

And don't get me started on the conf town bit. Had Karnos do the same thing as scum in 1800. The fact you say this and you are a Miller is more suspect. Titus knows this from playing in it.

Is it likely you are town? I would put it at 50/50 ATM. Town Mastina isn't hypocritical and isn't stupid but I also have a hard time believing a scum Mastina would go along with a Titus gambit.

Reading now people.

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Its very unlikely Fire was killed...... It seems more likely he was removed from the game by an effect or action.
A townie could of done it thinking Fire was scum and wanted to neutralize his ability bc of thus
Scum could of done this with an action or effect to neutralize town
Fire used this on himself to try to look town
I think we need more info before we makes conclusions

I am not sure if Math post derating the town is frustrated town,,,who is mad bc the town seems to be acting irrationally or frustrated scun who is mad bc he got stuck in a scum slot. I an leaning town frustrations slightly

Fuzzy logic:

Think about day one in the alliance. Three letters. I am town.

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There is a post in there that will make sense with this. I am town. I am telling the truth.

Think about what I said fuzzy while I read.

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There is a post in there that will make sense with this. I am town. I am telling the truth.

Think about what I said fuzzy while I read.

The more you say you are town the more I don't believe you.

Congrats I know I am getting mislynched anyway just working on reads

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Slowly lots of pages...I have two hours.

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I'm guessing that it's big but not big. Small but not that small. It's life and death that you understand what I am saying. And yes. I'm not trying to use a lot of words to get my point across. I agree with that sentiment. I think you and I follow.

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Wtf is this nonsense?

If you full claimed, why be cryptic?

REASONS

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LYNCH ALMOST50 AND SHIRO WHEN I FLIP TOWN

Spoiler: Titus -- WTF

Titus...If you are town I've had enough of playing with you to be quite frank. You are loud and you proclaim yourself to be right and anyone who doesn't agree with you proclaim loudly as scum. I am still somewhat like that but I am trying to get better. Mafia is NOT a game of berating people until they follow you. If you continue to play mafia like that you are going to find yourself with less and less people willing to play with you.


The case for you being town is there. SirCakez's push on D1 (599) is blatantly false. You do flip flop on the game start while trying to figure it out especially in hydras. Him saying that is wrong. There are thousands of pieces on paper WHY you should be town logically. However there are a few posts that in anyone's right mind can't be ignored.

Like: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8345945 << This post especially. WHY WOULD ANYONE TOWN FAKE A POST OF CONFUSION? WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO "DISPLAY" confusion? EITHER YOU ARE CONFUSED OR YOU AREN'T? And why is this directed at Yume.

AND WHY THE HELL IS THIS DIRECTED TO YUME IN THREAD?

Furthermore anyone who fucking suggests VLA to advance their win con deserves rope. VLAs are meant for that. VLAs

God I wish your name wasn't at the top of the list because I could rant for hours. But the main thing is that on paper you are town. But when I read your posts I get more scum vibes than if I was a bat with an echolocator in the bat cave.

Then Yume gives what seems like a direct command to Titus in 4074.

Like I completely understand that on paper that I'm supposed to just sheep the Triangle of claimed townies but when Titus infects Mastina with this god awful logic when I am town it's hard for me not to see this as a repeat of 1800. I don't give a shit about what is proper though. I give a shit about what is right. Titus if you are town you are leading this group into the ground. The other problem with that is that they are pushing me which I am town so it becomes an argue with Titus game which is something I didn't want. Man I am regretting replacing into this game.

If I am mislynched I fully expect you to reboot and fully apologize for trying to lynch me before I post fully detailed reads. If not for the whole "confirming" each other that'd be a scum claim.

Spoiler: Klingoncelt - town

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p8344148

Town enough said. Klingoncelt will be confirmed one way or the other IMHO. I trust KlingonCelt here.

Spoiler: Shadow_Step -- null

This is the replacement for Twin Wings. Twin Wings had one useless post then got replaced. The Twin Wings posts are NAI.
Shadow_step deserves a chance to catch up. This is a VERY long game and if you do to Shadow_step what you are doing I will be very disappointed.

Spoiler: Xkfyu -- Null

I find Xkfyu's posts on paper quite useless.
I also think that one of two things is happening
Mastina is town being led around by Titus on a leash saying Bark here and Mastina does it as Titus is "confirmed" town.
Or Mastina is scum with Titus. The more I think about Mastina's posts is that she is more likely being led than that. So I want to see more out of XKfyu tomorrow but I don't have a read because the posts are useless. If they don't start posting anything useful soon poke the shit out of them.

Spoiler: Skybird -- Town

This reads like mass effect mafia to me. Especially the push and drop on RR and the vote on Xkfyl. Good eyes on the Shiro scumread as well I agree.

Spoiler: Almost50 --Scum if the Triangle of Yume/Titus/Mastina is Town If Almost50+Shiro are town then I'm PDS that the triangle is scum

I do not like how Almost50 and Shiro are confirmed town to each other when Shiro's pinging me scum all ways from Sunday. The fact that Almost50 was wrong about SC and then both he and Shiro throw up "no credibility" so they don't want to post thoughts or be loud. WHAT THE EVER LOVING FUCK?

I have no credibility right now but I want people to know where I stand on things. It is through posting that you gain credibility or through your flip people read and listen. You don't just gain credibility by praying to the random number gods and hoping.

Spoiler: Shiro -- SCUM

See Almost50 for a rant on credibility. I've played with Shiro scum in Mass Effect Mafia. I even caught Shiro just as the wrong alignment. I am GOOD at catching Shiro scum. Lynch Shiro.
Shiro only doesn't "get" things as scum. Especially about partners.

Spoiler: DrippingGoofball -- SCUM

DPG looks like they are copying me. So either all the duplicates are all town or this is just DPG being all kinds of shitty. No hunting in their ISO I don't think they are even trying.

Spoiler: Farside22 -- Town

You don't get more town than Farside...Just wow. All the pushing all the questions. If all town played like you scum would be fucking scared every single game.

Spoiler: Yume -- WTF

Mostly can be covered by my Titus rant.
What is really unique is they are posting more than their other games of either alignment and haven't replaced out yet. Yay. Please keep that up Yume.

HOWEVER:

If you are town then McMenno is town by association because ye be crumbing something or faking it.

Spoiler: mathblade -- TOWN (duh)

The towniest town to ever town

Spoiler: Reasonably Rational (Cerberus v666 + Drixx) -- Town

Already said this in the thread. RR seems to be one of the few people using their brain. This is Drixx town. 304 really sealed it up for me. Whoever did that to Firebringer agrees with RR's assesment there. The fact that Firebringer had some weird removal of the game thing makes RR very likely town. 3452 about not rushing the day RR is very consistent in that regard. Consistency (not in reads but in beliefs) and logic is something I look for in town reads. RR is very likely town.

Spoiler: grapes -- TOWN

Having had a chance to fucking read, I can see where Farside22 gets their town read of grapes from. I was a bit panicky on grapes joining the wagon. They are indeed analyzing the game. I only saw through the first few posts and the end. Didn't get a chance to see the pushes that made up the majority of their ISO. THIS IS WHY YOU LET PEOPLE FUCKING READ.

Spoiler: mastin2 -- WTF

You are a hypocrite. Pure and simple

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 2#p8349472

There you call bullshit on your opinion that people can be confirmed town to each other and when I push and doubt I'm scum for doing so. I don't trust Almost50's and Shiro's push of each other but Mastina is not hypocritical twice. Something is off here. I would say someone cop Mastina to ease my fears but since you are a claimed miller. *sigh*

You post hypocritical statements like "I have no reads" and "My reads are OMGUS".

You've either gone so far that you've eaten Titus cake that you will do ANYTHING to see me flip or you are scum.
Let me be painfully clear.

Mastina you are better than this. If you are town go for a walk around the block. Go run a mile. Go do something anything that is not this game.

Spoiler: Not Chara -- Town lean

Mainly 2357 and 2512 give me those good town feelings. I also like 2523 supports the Almost50+Shiro theory.

Spoiler: Kraskaeaque (kraska77 + lyncanfire) -- SCUM

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p8319915

If Almost50+Shiro are scum this is almost certainly scum with them along with the fake outrage.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8340020

Plus blatant rolefishing.

Spoiler: killthestory -- TOWN

I think I finally figured out how to read KTS. 1724 is genuine.

Spoiler: McMenno -- TOWN

3330 and Their push of Shiro and how they are doing it makes them likely unaligned with Shiro therefore town. Also agree with 3306

Spoiler: TheFuzzylogic99 -- Strong Lean town

Hopefully they get the message....

THEY LEAN TOWN BECAUSE REASONS.

Spoiler: SnarkySnowman -- Null lean town

Doesn't post anything useful. Hops onto Sircakez's and my wagon.

Needs to fucking play. What little push he had on Almost50 is good.

Spoiler: Creature -- TOWN

Between their push of SirCakes and then Almost50 they are very likely town.

Spoiler: randomidget -- TOWN LEAN

Limited posting so can't confirm it but I think Random is town. Needs to be on more to see if I can confirm that hunch.

Spoiler: TheWayItEnds -- NULL

I actually agree with Titus on TWIE which is scary NULL read.

Spoiler: Firebringer -- TOWN

I could use some dragon hugs Can I get some free hugs before I'm mislynched?

Spoiler: Overall Thoughts

I cannot shake this feeling that Titus and Yume are scum together and Mastina is along for the ride. Like I know that everyone's going to ignore this as ramblings of a crazy person but ughhhhhhhhhhhhh the shadiness abound. Shivers.

All my other reads are from piecing together the ISOs and events but ughhhhhhh ewwwwww disgusting.

I have too many scumreads leading me to believe that the triangle thing is paranoia. I'd push either Almost50 or Shiro with all the power I had but OMG keep that trio in mind if either flips town. Lynch the fuck out of Shiro.

LYNCH ALMOST50 AND SHIRO WHEN I FLIP TOWN

Sorry no post links ran out of time to put them back in and it's 10 minutes before 8. Jesus so many fucking posts.

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Now I am driving home and will respond to inquiries after I get home.

If you can't decide which first start with Shiro.

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@Math, talk more on creature. I have them as scum.

This game isn't anyone who disagrees with me is scum. Am I calling Mastina scum? Nope.

Your reads look more like you trying to turn Almost, Shiro and me against each other than substance.

Because Creature actively pushed Cakez and their other pushes make it obvious. Why are you scumreading them?

Last sentence makes no sense please restate it.

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Note to self: Mastin can't read players.

Mastin has a proven record of being way above average at reading people. Sorry that she pegged you as scum, but so far you kind of look like scum trying to get town read. If you're not, maybe that should tell you something and you should adjust.

I don't see anyone fishing.

Probably because of where you're currently keeping your head?

Seriously ... take your head out of the dark smelly place you currently have it lodged.

lol where is my head lodged?
This is too funny.

Your lower colon (a.k.a. rectum). Take it out and you'll see clearly

there is... a lot of anger in Drixx.

what you've said about Firebringer indicates scum, but you're still talking directly to them. is Firebringer scum or misguided town, which is it?

Oh no. I'm not in the least bit angry. I'm just being snarky. If I should happen to get angry, it would be really unpleasant. That's not likely to happen this game though, as I'm not on steroids and it takes a pretty

considerable

amount of provocation to make me actually angry. I'm being very snarky with Firebringer because I've grown tired of his schtick. He trolls a lot and frequently contributes little to nothing to games. I'm hoping my approach will encourage him to do something useful.

The posts are coming faster than I can keep up with at the moment, but I've got conflicting reads on FB as of right now. It's irrational to pretend to know someone's motives and so when I evaluate his "reasons" for throwing a scum read on us, and then his post where he made a big show about how he wasn't going to form reads in the pre-game but he has multiple scum reads ... it looks like an intentional performance to me. But it's also

really

clumsy, so it's either really bad scum play or he's trolling again. It's a big game and it will sort itself out.

Firebringer, as town, is basically always misguided. At this point, I've concluded that it's an intentional play style choice on his part. He trolls and contributes little to nothing and ends up in the end game unless he gets lynched because why would scum kill a townie behaving that way?

~D

It is because of this post here. Is it much more likely IMO that RR either influenced FB's removal OR is just dead fucking on with his reads.

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VOTE: SirCakez

It doesn't make sense for you to whiteknight me and then put me as "perfect null"

Here for example. I don't see anyone aligned with SirCakez saying that and especially not Creature. I have played with him but it is an ongoing but I think Creature is town.

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@Math, talk more on creature. I have them as scum.

This game isn't anyone who disagrees with me is scum. Am I calling Mastina scum? Nope.

Your reads look more like you trying to turn Almost, Shiro and me against each other than substance.

Because Creature actively pushed Cakez and their other pushes make it obvious. Why are you scumreading them?

Last sentence makes no sense please restate it.

Your reads look like, rather than scumhunting, you're more pissed at a townblock existing than scumhunting.

Creature went after Cakey? He voted every other wagon but Cakey until it was inevitable. Cakey resigned after the "you have too many null reads" comment. So where the fork do you get Creature "went after" Cakey?

No he scum hunted. Huge difference. Stop painting investigation as scummy.

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It is always the little things that catch scum and trip them up not the big ones.

I find Creature's posts very townie.

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RR mentioned that Firebringer was not a likely scum kill.

He usually trolls and doesn't contribute much (see 1800 for evidence) and he was easy to manipulate in 1800 he even suggested how. Firebringer I love you but it is highly unlikely he was the scum kill. The way RR phrased it means that he had something to do with it or is dead on.

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I am saying RR is town.

He either did the thing to FB or understands someone like me who is fucking kill immune except for faction powers (see claim) got shot.

I don't think scum shot Firebringer.

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RR mentioned that Firebringer was not a likely scum kill.

He usually trolls and doesn't contribute much (see 1800 for evidence) and he was easy to manipulate in 1800 he even suggested how. Firebringer I love you but it is highly unlikely he was the scum kill. The way RR phrased it means that he had something to do with it or is dead on.

Yea I could see that being a possible theory.

Not your bottom line justification for your entire read on them.

My reasoning not justification is they are completely consistent in word speech and thought and attempting to poke and trying to stop stupidity. Regardless of what you believe my alignment is getting me to talk is a good thing. Getting Cakez to talk is a good thing as it made A50 and Shiro clear as day.

Whatever you believe keep people talking. Unless you have a guilty a quicklynch is terribad.

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@Titus no they are saying RR is town for somehow knowing I wasn't dead. Meaning linked to my imprisonment which should mean scum more than town. It's literal moon logic

No. It isnt.

Not sure how you get scum out of that. Being encased is not alignment indicative of the remover person. How they respond to it is.

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RR mentioned that Firebringer was not a likely scum kill.

He usually trolls and doesn't contribute much (see 1800 for evidence) and he was easy to manipulate in 1800 he even suggested how. Firebringer I love you but it is highly unlikely he was the scum kill. The way RR phrased it means that he had something to do with it or is dead on.

Yea I could see that being a possible theory.

Not your bottom line justification for your entire read on them.

My reasoning not justification is they are completely consistent in word speech and thought and attempting to poke and trying to stop stupidity. Regardless of what you believe my alignment is getting me to talk is a good thing. Getting Cakez to talk is a good thing as it made A50 and Shiro clear as day.

Whatever you believe keep people talking. Unless you have a guilty a quicklynch is terribad.

Consistency doesn't mean anything

For RR it does.

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FB
I disagree FB we interpret those posts differently.

Titus
*glares* I am well aware. *double glares*

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RR mentioned that Firebringer was not a likely scum kill.

He usually trolls and doesn't contribute much (see 1800 for evidence) and he was easy to manipulate in 1800 he even suggested how. Firebringer I love you but it is highly unlikely he was the scum kill. The way RR phrased it means that he had something to do with it or is dead on.

Yea I could see that being a possible theory.

Not your bottom line justification for your entire read on them.

My reasoning not justification is they are completely consistent in word speech and thought and attempting to poke and trying to stop stupidity. Regardless of what you believe my alignment is getting me to talk is a good thing. Getting Cakez to talk is a good thing as it made A50 and Shiro clear as day.

Whatever you believe keep people talking. Unless you have a guilty a quicklynch is terribad.

Consistency doesn't mean anything

For RR it does.

Rr was inconsistent as fuck at the end of day 1.

How so?

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Yes the heads are consistent. Hydra dissonance is a thing. I don't see your point.

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After I flip town can I has dragon hugs?

Pi could use some hugs.

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" But all the monsters just come here to get you guys, and then wreck things and put us in danger! Beach City would be way safer if you guys weren't here!"

-Ronaldo,

Rising Tides, Crashing Skies

VOTECOUNT 1.16 : LYNCH!

SirCakez (LYNCH):

Not Chara, mastin2, Obi-Wan Kenobi, McMenno, grapes, Shiro, Xkfyu, SnarkySnowman, Yume, Kraskaeaque, Klingoncelt, Reasonably Rational

Farside22 (3):

killthestory, Firebringer, Almost50

Shiro (2):

Farside22, Skybird

McMenno (2):

CooLDoG, Thefuzzylogic99

Obi-Wan Kenobi (1):

SirCakez

Not Voting (5):

Foxbird, randomidget, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball, Creature

With 25 Alive, it takes 13 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-21 15:10:00)

The Current Stress is -1:

1) I don't want to prove I am town. I just am. I am kinda resigned I will be mislynched but I will make scum earn it. Then Xkyfu Snarky Kraskeque DPG and 1-2 of the other non voters scum

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However I also think that is a bullshit question as Almost50 and Shiro are so much scum they might as well have gotten scum tattoo'd on their head at a tattoo parlor

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Titus I had 2 hours to ISO 23 people.

This means about 5 minutes a person.

If you expect me to do VCA I need overnight with no new posts added. I just simply don't have the time.

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Even if I agreed Mastina was conf town which I don't. Conf town doesn't mean conf right.

Need to sleep now super tired.

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....

Titus is clearly scum or just plain confbiased.

She says I am a townbeard.

One post from me after that saying conf town is not conf right (and I don't think Mastina is conf town)

Then asks Mastina if still doing this (whatever this is)

Then after Mastina dodging and ignoring my questions spouts incorrect bullshit Titus votes me.

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Farside, you are just reading my bad play as scummy in all honesty.
That is why those with first hand experience townread me.

P.edit

Because it needs actual work to be done yo and I have demoted myself to town cheerleader :p

I do not town read you.
People who have experience with you in Mass Effect townread you. You were scum of a different faction but the point remains this is a lie. You has a scum tell IMHO.

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How about the post directly before it where I highlight where math cherry picks random shit from creature to townread that doesn't make any sense to someone looking at their play en masse?

Let's review what Math said.

@Math, talk more on creature. I have them as scum.

This game isn't anyone who disagrees with me is scum. Am I calling Mastina scum? Nope.

Your reads look more like you trying to turn Almost, Shiro and me against each other than substance.

Because Creature actively pushed Cakez and their other pushes make it obvious. Why are you scumreading them?

Last sentence makes no sense please restate it.

This was in reference to when cakez called creature the perfect null and creature called cakez out on it.

Now how does that make creature scum and math post scummy?

Notice how Titus ignores the question on why they scumread Creature.

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I mean, to me Titus is either confbiased or correct, though leaning the former. Really dont think titus is scum

What do you think about Shiro?

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Nooo. If you're throwing shade at conftown, I have a problem. The goal should be working together, not tearing each other apart.

Says the player tearing players apart that disagree with her.

Even if I agreed Mastina was conf town which I don't. Conf town doesn't mean conf right.

Need to sleep now super tired.

Math sounds reasonable...........not liking this.

Math is always reasonable.

NAI.

I don't actually know how to read Math though.

-Cerb

Math is unreasonable as town.
I don't know who you been playing with, but reasonableness is a scum tell with them.

Math is reasonable as town, weird, sometimes a bit of reasons I don't agree with but he thinks it's reasonable.

Play with me enough and you will see where that comes from. I have logic inside my own head but sometimes it was quite terribad. Been working on improving that and it is usually better on replacement games.

I have a suspicion Titus and Mastina are not as they claim but I believe MORE that Shiro is scum.

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Each their own for now. Right now I am more focused on MathBlade. Their insistence on scum being within obvtown irks me. Either, they are scum and desperate or town and failing. Either way, I do not want to deal with the headache again. I think their ability is shit too (although others disagree). Their VCA was substandard when I asked them to look at the wagons. Assuming Farside town, their play only serves to keep me v Farside going.

I don't give two shits about my substandard VCA argument when I have said multiple times I had two hours to read the thread. There was no VCA. You and Mastina are being deliberately bad.

Not wanting to deal with me is not indicative of my alignment. You said I am a townbeard. That means you are advocated a lynch on someone you read as town.If you weren't this townfirm nonsense I would say it is a scum claim. How about you put your vote on someone who you actually think is scum?

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Titus I had 2 hours to ISO 23 people.

This means about 5 minutes a person.

If you expect me to do VCA I need overnight with no new posts added. I just simply don't have the time.

@Titus

Slow down and read.

If you are town this has been a public service announcement.
If you are scum please keep being terribad so people realize this shit is terribad.

Pedit:

Shadow is null to me and gets time to play. They said they are still reading. The creature vote is terrible but when they read I have faith they will change it.

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I am really very sorry to do this, but I need to do a site-wide replace out of all my games. I have some things in RL that just have to be dealt with and that take precedence over this.

I'll try and come back to MS once this settles down, but I cannot say when that could be, so VLA just wouldn't be fair to you. Again, my apologies. I know some of you were waiting for my catchup to move forward. Please give my replacement a chance. You want this role alive.

@mod-- Please replace me.

NEVER accuse RL of fake ever Creature. That is despicable.

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How about you go fix that then?
^@Creature

Pedit

@K - Twin Wings had one post and foxbird was start of game. I maintain null and time to play.

@Titus -- So questioning the almighty overlord deserves lynching regardless of alignment. Thank you for your brilliant play. (The last sentence is sarcastic)

I had RL for why I didn't read I haven't been in this game that long. I am literally at home wrapped in a blanket sweating out a fever and you want a VCA of lord knows how many vote counts for yesterday and today. That shit takes hours and diagrams which means in essence I don't post or play.

I hate how you have been subtlety suggesting that I should die regardless of alignment. Again PUT YOUR VOTE ON A SCUM READ. Mafia is not a strategy game where you bully people into your opinions. Convince me A50 and Shiro are town because I find that terribad.

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Yeah, no ally, I forgive Shiro as she might've missed it.

I was allying with Random Creature.

@Mastin

Why are you townreading Almost... like I legit don't get it. I want to be convinced otherwise if I am wrong but I can't.

Shiro pushes their scum buddies but does nothing about it as scum. This is a common trait for Shiro scum. Getting Almost 50's posts that made me think that.

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So, someone who knows how to read SC with any precision tell me: Am I now blessed or have I just dug mine and the town's graves??

OK, so Mastina AND Titus are pushing Not Chara. I guess this is the best sheep I could ever commit to in this game!

VOTE: Not Chara

Of course this could be called opportunistic, and could also be labelled OMGUS, so would be perfect to comply with beeboy's request to "do more things". Switch off the main lights please and put me on the focus of the spotlights for a while!

This is a joke where A50 calls himself not town. He also sarcastically preemptive ly deflects scummy arguments. Gistou was different.

Oh, and in case it isn't clear: NC already voiced their suspicion of me, so OMGUS readily exist on my part. As for opportunism, I have never voiced my suspicion of them either, so my jump on their wagon is unwarranted it seems.

Come one, people.. put some pressure on me.

Especially after calling creature "perfect null" and then putting him not in the nullpile. (see 934)

I disagree with like... 90% of that. grapes / farside are like nullscum at least. Creature is a lot more town, xkyfu is pretty town, Obi is pretty town.

VOTE: SirCakez

You have some weird reads yourself. I mean, just bc you're likely town doesn't mean I'm going to agree with those reads.

Would you kindly explain why Xk is "pretty town" (I have him at Null), and why farside is nullscum (I have her as strong town). The only read we can agree on is Obi being pretty town.

Deflection off of SirCakez while not disagreeing with the points is terribad.

Claims for pressure is also terribad which means he wants to be lynched instead of SirCakez. Probably a lesser power role than SirCakez.

Also the no credibility thing so not going to do shit is terribad from both.

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How about you go fix that then?
^@Creature

Pedit

@K - Twin Wings had one post and foxbird was start of game. I maintain null and time to play.

@Titus -- So questioning the almighty overlord deserves lynching regardless of alignment. Thank you for your brilliant play. (The last sentence is sarcastic)

I had RL for why I didn't read I haven't been in this game that long. I am literally at home wrapped in a blanket sweating out a fever and you want a VCA of lord knows how many vote counts for yesterday and today. That shit takes hours and diagrams which means in essence I don't post or play.

I hate how you have been subtlety suggesting that I should die regardless of alignment. Again PUT YOUR VOTE ON A SCUM READ. Mafia is not a strategy game where you bully people into your opinions. Convince me A50 and Shiro are town because I find that terribad.

I have zero faith in you listening. We've had those discussions ad nauseum in the thread.

It's not really a subtle suggestion.i would lynch Farside in a heartbeat too, given they aren't confirmed town to me.

Mafia is a strategy game. Town live. Scum die. It is just people disagree. Town want town to do what they want. Same with scum.

Why should I keep you alive if all you'll do is attack town through any mountain of evidence? I shouldn't.

I have and do change my reads look at the game where Farside and I were town. When given reasons and especially closer to LyLo I flip flop more than 1000 waffles at Waffle House. I live I breathe I read.

When confirmed town acts like confirmed town they are confirmed town. This is just you with trying to lynch me regardless of alignment which is pro scum while all the (potentially other if you are) scum have to do is hide in this. It blocks discussion if creates a horrible atmosphere. You are not playing to wincon if you think I am town yet are trying to lynch me. Confirmed town plays to fucking wincon.

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And that folks is an actual argument. It is how one plays Mafia.

Notice how I don't insult people who disagree.

I lay out my cards and that is that. If people agree or disagree with that we talk about the cards. And if the cards make sense as a logical progression. I can think people are idiots for not agreeing with me who I wish desperately would flip but I don't advocate lynching the idiots. I advocate lynching de scums.

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@Mathblade I am not debating strategy with you. I can grab you the VCs if you'll do a VCA with the suppositions I gave you. If you're just sitting around attacking town, you have zero use to the thread.

Who do you think is hiding, that is not almost, Shiro, Mastina, grapes, Yume or McMenno? (I do not think I am ever lynching those)

....Town doesn't lynch town.

I have repeatedly said I need a quiet thread to do VCA. I can ISO Varsoon and get vote counts. That isn't hard.

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Town doesn't lynch townreads*

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And VCA is always done with a blank slate. Assumptions are terribad with VCA then all it is is confbias.

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@chara
when town, he's more present in the game, flipflops a lot, weakly defends his TRs, gets frustrated when pressed and shows more progression of reads...and this is what im seeing so far in this game

And notice how scum defend the obv scums when no need to yet. You sir be scum de scum scum scums.

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Or madam or person *

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No. I like living and pointing out my scumreads til my last breath. Everyone gets to play much as scum hate it.

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I called you scum. I did not shut you down.

You are free to continue defending obv scum. Just as I am free to point it out.

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@chara
when town, he's more present in the game, flipflops a lot, weakly defends his TRs, gets frustrated when pressed and shows more progression of reads...and this is what im seeing so far in this game

1)I disagree with the assessment of his presentness matching alignment same with the rest. It is all meta. I disagree with your meta read. I have demonstrated things you need to counter if you want me to think A50 is town. Address them.

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Pedit: I think Creature is town but the conversation and recent posts were about A50

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Am I a scumread? Why? Besides disagreeing with you and scumreading you.

[MathBlade]

Last comment was about A50.

Please use the name at least once so I can keep straight who the point is about. I still think you are scum though.

[MathBlade]

Am I a scumread? Why? Besides disagreeing with you and scumreading you.

There's disagreeing, and then there is posting nonsense like Mastina is scum and there has to be scum in obvtown and ignoring anyone who tries to have a reasonable conversation.

Like Mastina being scum requires Yume lying and that requires me lying about Yume and almost 50 lying about me and hyper bussing Cakey. At some point, you're ridiculous. It's ok to disagree that Almost 50 is scum but Mastina? That's just throwing baseless noise.

You need to start addressing Mastina's concerns and mine as well. Your depth is lacking. Your reason is lacking. Your listening is lacking.

1) Your only concern is that I am scumreading in "obvTown" which has not been demonstrated. Scum can say town is town. They can say scum is confirmed town. This is NOT a valid point until proof has been presented.

2) No. That is actually not true on the second paragraph.

Assume player 1 is scum. Player 2 is town. Player 3 is scum. Player 1 "confirms" player 2 as town. Player 2 agrees. Player 3 further "confirms" player 2. This says nothing about player 1 and 3 other than a strong belief player 2 is town until facts given. People abuse conf town all the time and if anything conf town claims should be scrutinized.

3) Lack of "depth" is meaningless. Unquantifiable. Therefore no action can be taken. My reasons are present you have argued with my reasons. Unless you argue with something that doesn't exist which is rather quite strange. The last point is I simply don't agree with you.

That last sentence is the sum of your push. It is not that I am a scumread. You are pushing a townread towards lynch and Mastina the hypocrite is no better.

[MathBlade]

I am going back to sleep. More tonight.

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Don't you remember when Infinity claimed cop and obvtowned wingback as scum.

Come the fuck on sis.

ObvTown is Always Scrutinized.

[MathBlade]

@RR, Your distinction is pointless. They were told to each other in a PT that they were town and are town. That

is a masonry

. Why the hell are you provoking a semantic argument? Both heads know how much I

detest

mason rise and I call them masons. If you insist on calling them Masonic townies, ok by me. They are masons. Period.

The other "assumptions" are not assumptions but conclusions every other rationally thinking town individual has reached for the most part. Furthermore, Mathblade has asked us to assume they are town and not lynch them on that basis, yet refuses to do analysis or put in the work to show she considers opinions other than her own. Grapes and Mastina highlighted that MathBlade wants to stay in the realm of the ridiculous to avoid outing their partners. By asking the question, I am giving them the opportunity to show myself, grapes and Mastina wrong.

Titus KNOWS I AM TOWN yet votes for me

She says "every other rationally thinking town individual"

Look at the word choice.

1) It implies I am thinking rationally
2) It implies I am a other town individual.
3) I am not refusing to do the work. I have given an argument for my scumreads of those slots. All you have done is said they are town. If you want to convince me make an argument. VCA takes too long during the day. Without new inputs I look at the same thing and reach the same conclusion.
4) ...I have said Almost 50 and Shiro are scum. I have scumreads. How exactly is that avoiding partners?

When all you and Mastina do is avoid questions?

Oh and your Creature case is a piece of shit.

[MathBlade]

Diplomatic immunity?

The connotations there should be obvious enough: players who have no right to be immune from scrutiny, but for whatever reason (usually role, sometimes other-player-based), are still immune.

A bit tongue-in-cheek terminology, but an apt description for, saaaaaaaaaay, RR, Klingoncelt, and similar.

And Mastina and Titus and Yume.

Imagine if scum claimed masonry every game. Until one flipped they wouldn't be. Period.

[MathBlade]

So...You have no comments on the past few posts Yume?

[MathBlade]

And you get a townread mr fuzzy logic.

Your name though should chance to Clear Logic That is what I will say.

Clear Logic what do you think of Shiro and Almost 50-Tay?

Pedit reading Mastina's post now.

[MathBlade]

So your entire read is a meta read based on CoolDog and nothing based on my slot because those arguments were torn to shreds. Do you have anything not hypocritical and not bullshit on me? No. Then move your vote off me.

Especially when the biggest proponent in Titus "conf towned" me by calling me a rational townie.

Vote Shiro. There is the scum that needs rope today.

[MathBlade]

Enough of this regardless of alignment bullshit.

We are here to lynch scum. Not who you dislike. Not who you want to be scum but who is actually scum.

That is Shiro. Vote there.

[MathBlade]

And again you do not address Titus conftowning me. Address it Mastina.

[MathBlade]

On page 42 currently. I'm onto some things but don't expect anything spectacular till tomorrow evening at least. My main focus currently is the development of the SC wagon. In Varsoon's last game we lynched scum day 1 too. But that didn't end up well. IIRC more than half the scum team was on that wagon.

(Speaking of Loopdan-like players......*)

(*I mean, he's less likely to be scum since his slot doesn't

quite

fit the pattern as well,

butstill

......**)

(**Also this would be a scumteam that would be comprised almost entirely of lurkers or former-lurkers when factoring in Mathblade's slot, so......)

Also this doesn't factor in Mastina playing like an idiot because I am town.

[MathBlade]

...Mastina.

Answer me.

[MathBlade]

Let me get this straight. You are suggesting that I don't have belief when I am barely able to hold my head up and fucking post to stop your bullshit.

I have believe. I am also calling out all the bullshit hypocritical and outright lies I see. The only difference is there is more of it my way as I am actively being wagoned but I am pushing Shiro when I can.

Again you ignore Titus conftowning me. *glares*

[MathBlade]

No Mastina.

Titus tunnels me almost every game we are in. She believes she has caught me every time except when she is scum. She is terribad at reading me.

The TLDR of that is you are policy lynching me if town and scared I will tunnel Titus if scum. You are scared of what I did in Gistou same as almost50 who wait for it. Advocates for a policy lynch.

I am flattered but Mastina doesn't ignore posts and Mastina shouldn't policy lynch.

I am town. Shiro is the scum fuck you want to lynch.

[MathBlade]

Mastina catching up. She will see your post.

I do not have a town read. Every other rational townie, meant all the rational town but me.

Excuse me while I am choking on your bullshit and policy lynch players.

[MathBlade]

I am not strategizing Mastina.

I am merely repeating 28 million (exaggeration) Shiro is scum. Shiro is who we should lynch.

And when my town flip comes I hope you eat your words because Titus is downright deplorable at Mafia.

Listening to her will lead to a town loss because she is either scum or playing stewpidly and I am Titus's sibling.

[MathBlade]

This isn't an excuse and you aren't confirmed Town like Titus did to me and then gave that weak sauce answer that doesn't make sense in context.

Fml if I had a gun that would shoot infinitely many times I would fucking shoot Shiro then A50 then Titus then You then Yume and I think I would have almost all the scum fucks. However if I am wrong and you and Titus are just takibg your idiot pills

I would shoot Shiro and then A50 and then Karaskque.

Now you can address where Titus Townfirms me town.

And when I flip you WILL be eating your words Mastina. I assure you.

[MathBlade]

No it isn't FB.

If he doesn't scumread me WHY IS SHIRO's vote on me FB?

[MathBlade]

Spoiler: post

@Farside: Klingon mentioned she didn't know what AUA was. AUA is equivalent to town.

Klingon here says we fight for crystal gems when we fight for Earth.

See here you said kling used those words.
That is incorrect, it was Shiro interpretation of it that way.
That's not the same.

HOW, TELL ME HOW THE FUCK IT IS SO?

You dont go around fucking claiming bs flavou saying peridot is a corrupt gem one moment showing TOTAL FUCKING DISREGARD AND NO KNOWLEDGE of the flavour and then go around saying your faction wrong because flavour wise it makes sense.

YOU. FUCKING. DONT

How hard is it to realise that? Seriosuly how fucking hard is it ? If you stop for a single moement to be the most biased person in tis game, you would be able to see further than your "Shiro is scum, there is nothing else in the world" viewpoint.

Oh and let me tell you, I already said that I haven't read what Math has said par the bloody claim, I just didn't, not yet at least. Simple as. Read is the same as it was before she replaced in and I still trust the majority of her bloody wagon to believe that it is a sound place to place a vote.

Happy, miss farside ?

You keep pressing the fucking point abou tme scumreading math when I honestly never said I did, iike what exactly are you trying to gain here ? What ? Tell me ? What change in PoV is this going to give ?

This is so not a scum shiro post. It's townie as hell.

How is SHIRO TOWN when he is voting for a person they don't even scumread?

This is Mafia 101 peoples.

[MathBlade]

Hey Mastina! Guess what

People will believe when I flip. They will read they will analyze and yours and Titus bullying of the thread will stop.

Or we can lynch Shiro and end this.

@Titus I did that. You didn't like my answer.

Y'all aren't reading. You don't care.

You are just loud. That is it.

People will look at Shiro and see Shiro scum. I have faith.

[MathBlade]

Titus
Skybird
Almost50
Farside22
Yume
grapes
mastin2
Not Chara
Kraskaeaque (kraska77 + lyncanfire)
killthestory
McMenno
Firebringer

is this town

hey let's accept that all mathblade is currently doing is posting noise

Sure, let's see who isn't there.

Now this is a good catch. McMenno you suck but I still think you are town.

[MathBlade]

Rock* Creature is annoying but still town.

[MathBlade]

Auto correct can suck it.

[MathBlade]

MathBlade why no dgb wagon? It's shinnier

Because I don't go for shiny.

I go for most likely.

DGB is shiny and I do scumread them but I want people to look at Shiro and see what is going on.

When I flip town DGB is conf scum anyway for taking my role stuffs.

[MathBlade]

I think he makes a good third party candidate. I want Shiro or A50 more.

However if election rules make them no longer viable like how I wish Bernie sanders was president will vote for DGB.

[MathBlade]

And not the role to be clear that was a party system joke.

[MathBlade]

I will play swordsman with two shields between the idiots!

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And it is explicitly old news that Mastina continues to ignore my posts.

[MathBlade]

Your name though should chance to Clear Logic That is what I will say.

By the way, in case you were wondering, this is scum buddying town.
Just sayin'.

And fuzzy knows I am town.

The fact I am not using my words in a certain way proves it

[MathBlade]

And again you do not address Titus conftowning me. Address it Mastina.

I address anything that's actually worth addressing.
Your point is an utter stretch at absolute best. It's absolute bullshit, to the point where I didn't even bother pointing it out because it's self-evident that your point is full of crap.

There. I've addressed it.

And when I flip town.

How much of a stretch is it then Mastina?

No you don't want to realize you are wrong. Either that or just plain scums.

[MathBlade]

Yeah. I think there be scum claiming conftown as a gambit in that there three I just can't figure out which because all of them got their confbias on so thick they will drow in it overnight.

[MathBlade]

Klingoncelt
Shadow_Step
Xkfyu
Shiro
DrippingGoofball
mathblade
Reasonably Rational (Cerberus v666 + Drixx)
TheFuzzylogic99
SnarkySnowman
randomidget
TheWayItEnds

This here is strong town list? Dgb is in it

You know who is? Mathblade.
You know who isn't? Yume, Mastina or myself.

Fire, please call me a jerk. Insult me please. I lift my restriction on you for insulting town. I need townie people to bitch at me and Mastina to keep us alive.

If you are so "confirmed" bitching is just spam Titus.

I don't think you are confirmed town though.

Pedit

Your reads are so wrong that they aren't even salvageable at the local swap meet.

[MathBlade]

This game is literally not big enough to house Mastins ego

A fucking men.

[MathBlade]

I had a restriction for insulting town?

I told you not to doubt Mastina on the Bubble being town. It likely is and I think I know whom too.

But I kinda said like don't doubtcast conftown. I just realized Mastina living is better than me though.

I hope Mastins dies before you, literally can't deal with all these "I am so great" posts, they are annoying as fuck

Thank you for the virtual hug FB. Even if I don't get dragons yet.

[MathBlade]

Oh and we should trust

because.......

[MathBlade]

...You're innocent because you call someone conf town? Yet no proof you are town.

[MathBlade]

You have NO reason to be trusted more than the rest of us and while Mastina does t say I am a policy lynch that is what I am.

[MathBlade]

I want to vote DGB or Shiro but I keep having to deal with these idiots who keep screaming I am scum.

Shiro or A50 preferred then DGB is what I would like.

[MathBlade]

Except the productive conversation hasn't ended. I posted my reads and I am explaining them. People agree on DGB and they will on Shiro. I just need time and not to be barked at that I am scum constantly.

[MathBlade]

And they all ripped me off. I am the first person to do it on this site.

I just can't prove it yet because ongoing.

Now let's poke DGB.

[MathBlade]

http://img09.deviantart.net/9c8b/i/2014 ... 7at3rh.jpg



Talk to me about DGB and Shiro reads people

[MathBlade]

McMenno what are your reads on DGB and Shiro?

[MathBlade]

That game (Wake's Massive RoleMadness) is STILL ongoing Farside and is 10000% not the game you want to cite for me playing like shit.

Farside22 isn't citing you for playing like shit she is citing that is an example of town play but I agree no ongoing games references allowed.

[MathBlade]

Whoops my bad good point Farside I stand corrected

[MathBlade]

However no one is going to lynched claimed Mason's today so this is pointless.

Let's talk DGB and Shiro for the health of the game.

[MathBlade]

However no one is going to lynched claimed Mason's today so this is pointless.

Let's talk DGB and Shiro for the health of the game.

I'm just trying to get people to read Titus post carefully.

*stops self from ranting*

DGB voted for pretty bad reason and unfortunately her lurking is NAI lately.
I'm just not seeing anything that says she is doing more at this point.
Pressure on her would at least prove something of a read I can sink my teeth into.

And what do you think of DGB copying my claims?

[MathBlade]

Because copying claims is only one part of alignment. There. Could be two of every town role.

I have a scumread on Shiro that is stronger. When Shiro is town they push Scumreads. As scum they go you townread them...really? It is trademark Shiro

[MathBlade]

Those of you who townread both DGB and Shiro why?

[MathBlade]

Of the three simultaneous claims the only true one is ascetic.

First I told KC that she was mod-confirmed scum to me LOL

Then whined that I didn't know who all my buddies are, can she please name them?

If that had worked I'd be a hero

[MathBlade]

It just got lost in between my daycop fakeclaim and traitor fakeclaim

[MathBlade]

She said she investigated me and I came back Scum.

Right... here's my Daycop claim too LOL

[MathBlade]

Yes CoolDog 464 Farside

[MathBlade]

1) I get whatever bonuses my ally gets.
2) Can't ally same player twice in a row.
3) Season Finale I can use any powers I have gained through allying as well as any during the Season Finale Alliance.
4) if I don't take any action during the Climax Phase which is unlikely as I only have one that I can't use (more on that in a second)

The ability (whatever it was as I am not depants ing Fuzzy but in case he is a town PR) but to use it I have to be in an alliance with them or the season finale. I gain the ally bonuses only during the alliance or during the Season Finale.

My character Lars seems to be a bully based on flavor. Oh and I am human and Earth aligned.

So long story short right now I do nothing unless I am allied. I am a sponge.

Of the three simultaneous claims the only true one is ascetic.

First I told KC that she was mod-confirmed scum to me LOL

Then whined that I didn't know who all my buddies are, can she please name them?

If that had worked I'd be a hero

Copying????

I have a hunch that DGB knows I am ascetic.

Where else would he get three ascetic claims. I am town ascetic who will likely die and DGB will go hurr durr fake claim. That is terribad.

[MathBlade]

They have no effort of anything in that ISO.

Their only recent post is I am a slow eater. I don't like when it is forced down my throat.

[MathBlade]

Shit I am going to Murder my tool. Fuck. That point is invalid.

Fuck CoolDog for not claiming it early.

[MathBlade]

DGB and who else claimed it?

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....

Titus is clearly scum or just plain confbiased.

She says I am a townbeard.

One post from me after that saying conf town is not conf right (and I don't think Mastina is conf town)

Then asks Mastina if still doing this (whatever this is)

Then after Mastina dodging and ignoring my questions spouts incorrect bullshit Titus votes me.

Math, please. IF you're town, you need to find a different target to tunnel than Titus. I have already seen you doing this same thing TWICE before (as both alignments) and in both cases Titus was TOWN. Moreover, we all know Titus doesn't bus, and much more so when there's no need to. I only saw her bussing ONCE before, and it was a strategic act of distancing when Titus AND one of her scum partners were widely scum read, so they started a counter wagon on a third scumster. They both flipped, but that 3rd one (Ranger) drove the game all the way home.

Morale of the story:

1- Titus is TOWN in this game.
2- You're not convincing anyone.
3- You're doing much harm to town.

3 is OK if you're scum yourself. In fact, I'd be thanking you for making it abundantly clear you are. However, if you're town, you're playing against your win con, which -unfortunately- would coincide with mine in this case. I'm not amused.

You are scum so excuse me if I take what you say with the largest grain of salt in existence.

Thoughts on DGB and Shiro go

[MathBlade]

I thought somone someone else claimed it but I don't remember who..I could be wron

Cmon fuzzy *sigh* moving on then thoughts on DGB and Shiro?

[MathBlade]

Well then do some.

Post your thoughts.

[MathBlade]

I was wrong there us only two...

I am confused by DGB play... She acting strange making her hard to read
I have done zero research into Shiro.........

DGB has had medical issues. We love her and support her.

Medical issues is not alignment indicative. I will treat DGB like anyone else. If DGB has some sort of condition that makes it hard to read text I can alter my fonts accordingly but otherwise DGB is scum.

Medical issues I love and support but it is not a free pass from scrutiny.

@Farside Kling claimed Miller both Mastina and Kling have. and I understand on the ally I wish it wasn't the case.

Since I have no ally and I think this wouldn't be a repeat. Would you mind fuzzy?

[MathBlade]

So is DGB replacing Out bc I'm confused,,,,,,I know this is a normal stae for me but I am more confused than normal

I need some time to do an analysis on DGB and Shiro


If math survive today I want to be allies with Math instead of Grapes...Sorry Grapes,
How about it Math want to ally tonight>>>>if you live

Would love it assuming Varsoon says it is not a repeat and I have no ally today so it should be fine.

[MathBlade]

Farside let it go please. I agree but let it go. We have to be the bigger people.

Now let's talk DGB and Shiro.

[MathBlade]

Vote Shiro
Vote Shiro

The scum won't bother me anymore.

[MathBlade]

I'd tier like this:
{See strong town list}
{MathBlade, SnarkySnowman}
{Reasonably Rational, Shiro, Xkfyu}
[randomidget, TheFuzzyLogic99, TheWayItEnds}
{Shadow_step}
{DrippingGoofball, Klingoncelt}

You do know that I'm the one that started the DGB wagon, right?

Because you're a townread
A townread

Because sanity is what this thread needs

[MathBlade]

Fuzzy needs overnight to ask me something I am willing to give it. Now if only Varsoon would answer my question about repeating it out be great.

[MathBlade]

Error contradiction in logic in that if most people townread you alliance not blown up.

Error Math must not get sucked into the Titus hole

At least someone has a plan.

Fuzzy who would you like to lynch