STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

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The funniest part about all of this.

FOXBIRD is the counterwagon.

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Oh give me a break.

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To be clear; this is one more reason why I think RR is town. My own event (Joy Ride) required a +1 stress level to be triggered. It had a priority level of 2, and would have been suppressed by events of priority 1 (or 2 if I lost a tie-break). In essence, I know there's at least one event that would've prevented me my Joy Ride from being triggered if that was also triggered, and I believe it to be RR's.

And that means it's town because...?

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I disagree that RR pushed cakes at all.

[grapes]

Having a declared scumread is half the battle.

Give credit to those who were there. Those challenging the naysayers. Calling for votes/movement.

Not the ones letting things fall as they would.

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Yea Drixx literally fuck off. Your logic was "lol scum wouldn't be put into a neighborhood automatically with an IC"

That's what lost us the game. It wasn't me that hammered fuzzy who had a weak flavor claim and was scum by play all game. It wasn't me that quick lynched me while I was asleep.
It was you, mastin and cerb that lynched me (obvtown with obvtown flavor) that made a play far too ballsy to come from scum and then proceeded to lynch a fucking COP CLEAR in mylo because you guessed the setup wrong.

In a retrospectively very flavor indicative game.

But I understand that you like to bring this up because it's all about the blame game.

Like, you talk about my ego. You don't know me. And you certainly have a lot harder of a time letting go shit that happened a year ago in a internet forum dedicated to a detective cops and robbers game based on a kids television show than I do.

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Free life lesson. The people who don't spend every opportunity announcing how everyone else fucked up (when they clearly fucked up) probably have issues about being blamed for it more than the people who've been trying to shrug it off.

Like, that's been your default way to engage me everytime I push you on something (other than flail) and it just seems a lot less like something you give a shit about and more like something you'd rather talk on about because you're scum without anything better to say or you think you can get away with discrediting me as a player because I've mostly been whatever about it at this point.

[grapes]

Telling that thread opens; and the less appearance minded ones flock to the goodwagon that is RR;

A new day rises, and resistance is met in the form of the shadow dwellers.

What does this mean?

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It only came up at all because I don't recall playing with you in any other game, so there's not much shared history to discuss. And sure ... we messed up the last day ... but that day never happens if you don't make the terrible play you made.

You lynched a cop clear over obvious scum.

Because of strict, laughably bad setup spec.

Coversation is over.

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pushing someone as scum = disrespecting their approach

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You guys aren't questioning me on anything. You think my push boils down to my "looking down on you" when that isn't true. I'm anti-elitist as they come first off and don't have a problem with either of you.

No examples of this are given; and my original reasons for voting you don't hold weight because you've already explained those away with a text-wall or two and because it happened on Day 1 (where everyone knows that it's impossible to catch scum).

And we'll also ignore what I'm doing right now - which is pushing on you and evolving my reasons as we speak.

[grapes]

What is questioning shitty townreads and bringing up points that involve you being scum if not pushing?

[grapes]

The more you refuse to engage honestly with us and focus on keeping a dumb fight going, the more I am asking myself why you seem to care more about keeping the noise going than anything else.

Holy shit this guy must be trolling.

[grapes]

Titus not sure why you responded to me with the living in the past thing?

Drixx has been trying to get me to roll around in the much with him about this shit since like prequel.

[grapes]

muck*

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In other news would anyone like to squad up this climax. Looking for 1 atm. Possibly 2.

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ALSO

If it's the phase where we can have 3 ppl per alliance then I don't take away alliance bonuses anymore.

Which should be confirmed based on what chara said about when they first joined an alliance with me.

[grapes]

Isn't finale every 3rd day?

[grapes]

Oh it's every 4th episode.

AND it's also day 2.

pedit: yea

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Bc it needs +1 or higher stress to get triggered. I have deduced that town events need some level of +ive stress as a minimum to get triggered (as they tend to reduce stress) and scum events require some level of -ive stress as a maximum to get triggered (as they tend to increase stress). This way the game is self-balancing by tilting towards the side that seems overwhelmed/severely weakened at any given time.

Why are you paraphrasing stuff from the OP at me?


let's cut to the chase; game's not gonna get broken by massclaim

[grapes]

We break the game with an RR-scum-lynch, though. If you'd be interested in that.

[grapes]

Chara who's scum go

[grapes]

In other news would anyone like to squad up this climax. Looking for 1 atm. Possibly 2.

Wouldn't that be anti-town in essence, considering people need to have their abilities at their disposal to forego in order to earn points for the town?

This is actually a good point I think.

But irrelevant because finale alliances with me let people do their thing and I also thought it was day 3.

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i'm seesawing between busy and not right now.
Rational is nullscum (i have not had a chance to reassess in the face of my new feelings from today), Klingoncelt and DGB are both very suspicious to me.
Foxbird could be scum.

What are your new feelings?
Why could foxbird be scum?

[grapes]

mastin you're voting an empty slot

[grapes]

Rational's appeals to the game today are making me reconsider. maybe i'm just susceptible to AtE, but i don't know if i want them out of the game yet.
that, and i see no reason to wait until after they've used the ability they promised.

You almost certainly are.

foxbird could be scum because kraska explained their read and vote to me in our hood. essentially, foxbird's two scumreads are both low-posters, which is strange to see coming from Foxbird herself.

So why did they explain their read (more in-depth?) to you in the hood but not the thread at large, especially if they didn't apparently have any reason to keep that reason under wraps based on you talking about it so nonchalantly here?

[grapes]

If you think it's a scumslot, wait for them to replace in, then wagon them up and get THAT reaction.

Like why do it the other way around?

[grapes]

I would certainly vote klingon, though.

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Any other scumreads fuzzy?

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hi guys

stop townreading scum for bad reasons!

thank you.

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Chara I'm more of a rolling stone gathers no algae kinda guy.

Tapping into as many difficult to read slots as I can. Feel like this is a good approach to the 1 on 1 hood environments.

With the larger hoods, I think they're the ones more important to keep town locked in. So we'll see if you town in time for that. I'll keep you in mind.

I kinda wanna ally with fuzzy tonight, now that I'm pondering things a bit.

[grapes]

looooooooopdan

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Farside, do you think Titus is scum? The question you're asking, the accusation of inconsistent applying standards, is sorta a thing that people tend to ask those they're suspicious of about.

If you ARE suspicious of Titus, please share why. I don't understand it.

No let's please not reignite that.

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RR is scum like even just this page he just tried making you and farside start tvting again not sure why people are unvoting that.

My other reads are staying pocketed for now. Need to see some catch-ups from people who probably know who they are.

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A whole bunch of different reasons.

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She attacked me to dodge giving reads. I am ok with RR pushing there.

You don't think that farside wondering why you got on her more about giving a full readslist and didn't for shiro isn't something she would find noteworthy as town?

What do you think of their reasons for the push there.

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I quite literally told farside, on this page, to NOT TvT with Titus.

So are you scumreading farside or not?

A better way to make town not argue with town and make noise would be

1) Tell them to shut the fuck up
2) Or let them work their shit out on their own

Not asking leading questions such as "farside you just called out titus for something scummy, you think she's scum? go into more detail about why you think she's scum."

So, congrats, you just made your inquiry look that much more disingenuous by saying this.

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That's a false narrative. I asked Farside to do it twice. Shiro once. It's not like I grilled her. Shiro also engaged me reasonably.

Right, which is why I find your side of the argument fair as well.

But farside probably doesn't as much because

it's her being scumread

.

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No, it's a shitty nothing question I struggle to attribute town motive to.

[grapes]

I don't tell people to just shut the fuck up in a tvt. I show them each WHY the other is town. I can't do that without knowing whatever poorly reasoned thoughts they have about one another.

Why can't you extinguish a tvt without knowing what the poor reasons they're townreading each other are?


There's a contradiction of motive here. And I assure you, my posts on you (and this post) isn't for your benefit. But you'll respond to it, to me my reasons are bad. Hold some sorta weird thing over my head where you think I'm biased against you. And then continue to either nothing post, or fuck off and continue to not gamesolve or make more awkward attempts at it like you did just a while ago.

The literal exact same thing happened day one with cakes/farside. She called my read on him "gut"

I'm pretty sure every insignificant thing I've called you guys scum for has been explained away by something or other. You realize this is a game of opinions, I can't

know

that you're scum. But I'm pretty confident that you are going by experience and your trajectory as a whole this game, the way you say things, who you say them too. Your reads and their reasonings.

You haven't once made a comment such as "oh, okay guess I could see where you're coming from there or, alright maybe that's conceivable I could see you possibly thinking that's scummy"

But no. There is no reason in the world to call you scum and that is both your heads priority this game is to have that known.

You're scum.

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Grapes: while your around what did you think of Shiro going from aggressive to lynching lurks that I pointed out here.

Those two posts you quoted from the original post I both found pretty bad now that you brought it to my attention.

Would like shiro's reasoning for turning around on A50 in particular

[grapes]

Luckily, there are people who aren't you in this game that don't find them bad.

Which is why you're going to be lynched this game.

pedit: @cerb

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I mean shit, you made one bad question and look how I expounded there.

Imagine if I iso'd you?

[grapes]

Wait what? I know they softed some shit but not completely sure what it was.

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I am not going to tell you that you are wrong grapes, but he is forced into a negative ev as scum, if they are. Use him. Engage his reads. Don't focus on correcting, but understanding. Get him to talk. No one loses there.

I am perfectly aware how annoying it is to watch someone tunnel on a person you think is town.
The main difference is that the reads I'd like to push that aren't RR aren't ripe to push quite yet, and I'm more confident that they're scum then most of my other suspicions anyway.

You'll see me branch once certain commitments that I'm looking for are made.

It's 100% deliberate as I've said.

[grapes]

Reading up, but a couple of mechanical things
Varsoon has said he will never use a godfather
In regards to Peridot, remember Patches the Spider

You haven't yet earned the right to sit in the corner and sage this game, friend.

[grapes]

Can someone give me a quick rundown on what we actually know? Who is claiming what roles? Who is conftown to who? Who is confscum to who?

Any information would be helpful.

How much of the game have you read?

[grapes]

mastin and yume are masons.

There's probably 1,000 different hoods.

Did cooldog/sera end up in an alliance? Like were you given access to a hood?

[grapes]

I wouldn't bother reading "prequel" that's pretty much just fire and gang shit posting for 2 days.

Day 1 itself has some meat, particularly the cakes run-up.
Day 2 has had a lot of noise but some decent content scattered around.

The private stuff sounds like an alliance that happened before you replaced in. Was it the joyride a regular neighborhood or both?

Any scumreads yet?

[grapes]

Sticking to my scumread on chara btw.

Too much alliance bullshit not enough solving.

[grapes]

He's town.

[grapes]

Yo when did I have a wagon?

[grapes]

^

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kts who's scum besides grapes?

[grapes]

is it really?

[grapes]

So you think she's scum then.

[grapes]

Gah, titus I wanted to see if more people got it.

[grapes]

I mean there's different reasons why I think cooldog is scum but did you notice.

The wagon there despite nobody making any points on him?

[grapes]

Reminds me of cakes kinda.

And I haven't felt townvibes from loop.

[grapes]

Agree with fuzzy that loopdan's catch up would be fantastic.

[grapes]

Pretty sure almost's definition of confirmed town is different than most.

[grapes]

shoot.

hm?

[grapes]

shoot as in 'damn' or 'too bad'.

but why?

[grapes]

...because Loopdan had to replace out of all his games, and obviously felt bad about it?
also, because we were waiting for that catchup and now have to wait again. not that i'm moving my vote, but it certainly would have been helpful.

Okay the first explanation makes sense.
But giving me another one is scummy.

Especially since you're already voting there, you're convinced he's scum, yea?

[grapes]

grapes is a soulless monster.

that's a scumtell

Town-grapes is sometimes soulless.

Scum-grapes will harvest your souls.

[grapes]

Arbitrary no.

It's a fake reaction.

[grapes]

Truth be told, right now I don't have anything RR. I do feel Creature is scum, most notably bevause to me it makes no sense for town.

What makes no sense for town?

Also fuzzy you just confused a bunch of different people just then. I think not chara is allied with kraska, I don't know who you were referring to by KC but that's usually something people call klingon and KTS is the dude who made the IC claim earlier.

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re; the entire conversation about scum not posting

No fucking shit.

[grapes]

And why doesn't that make sense?

[grapes]

Is there anything useful to town , having access to the twitter account??

I dunno. But practicality isn't probably the best gauge.


Feels more like one of those luxury roles tbh.

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.....

Cause it doesn't like, one thought contradicts the other.

1 says: This person has a point let!s vote with them
Then says: This person is right that person a doesn't have a point so let's vote (Eveb though I believed they had a point)

You're either missing the part where people can change their minds.
Or don't want to consider it.

[grapes]

VOTE: Mathblade

[grapes]

Seen enough from that slot.

Let's let the lurkfucks catchup/be replaced while we run this up to a claim. Go from there.

The day is just about at the point where it's gonna start dragging can just feel it.

[grapes]

No I'm good thanks.

[grapes]

So this is who was on the wagon that flipped scum. Finding the first few non RVS votes will likely be town just based on lynching patterns and scum would likely be in other places.

So chara is scum.

[grapes]

Look at the scum pretend to not know

exactly

what I meant.

Ahhh.

[grapes]

Honestly I'm more convinced by mathblade's 10 or so scumposts than I was on either cool/loop.

[grapes]

I also didn't realize klingon was on the cakes wagon.

That's pretty interesting.

[grapes]

Klingon DGB was super obviously trolling lol

SirCakez is a good lynch choice too.

Scumreads him for something that doesn't make sense.

Never talks to him or about him again.

To.

Wait a minute - Varsoon - My vote isn't supposed to count, now it's counting and twice?

Well, if it's it's doing that now, then...

UNVOTE:
UNVOTE:

VOTE: SirCakez
VOTE: SirCakez

Testing if her vote counts on a wagon at like L-2 while apparently under the impression that she's a double-voter?

mhm yup

[grapes]

Correction: cakes was at L-3.

[grapes]

kling did DGB claim to cop you before or after you claimed miller?

[grapes]

Okay it was clearly before.

Better question. Did she act like she didn't know you claimed miller?

[grapes]

FoS on Grapes for trying to match people and calling them lurksacs at Mon Sep 05, 2016 11:45 pm when thread opened at Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:22 am This is 12 hours. Most of Grapes content so far seems to be empty onliners

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEH

[grapes]

KlingonCelt probably town

One of Kling or Mastina leaning Mastina is scum because of miller crap. Leaning Mastina.

these aren't progressive thoughts^

[grapes]

She acted like she didn't believe my claim.

Okay yea I get that you guys are hot on each other for scum but did it

look

like she was trying to gambit you and get info and help town yadda yadda.

Be unbiased as possible here.

Because not believing the claim doesn't really answer my question.

[grapes]

She then acted like she did not believe my claim.

She never said "You never claimed Miller!!!!" if that's what you're asking.

Yea you keep ending the story there.

What does "act like she didn't believe the claim" entail.

Put me in that moment.

I already know you think she's scum. I'm not sold honestly and don't really care about your spin on why she's scum. I want to know what exactly went down.

[grapes]

I thought cool just prodged the last half of day 1 so I wouldn't put much stock in him not commenting on the friction of their roles.

Gonna look at cakes flip again, though.

[grapes]

Yea, titus, I'm not seeing how Math's claim is very much similar to cakes'?

Still could be a scumrole easily, though.

AND scum by play accross 3 slots and all that.

[grapes]

Somebody hammer.

[grapes]

Shiro, thoughts on Mathblade being at L-1 and their claim?

Why aren't you voting klingon if you think she scum slipped?

[grapes]

Eh she can go first, her claim as Lars makes no sense at all. Lars being that powerful, Double no sense.

And I will say this again, I cannot push anyone on my own right now, like legit. I have nothing, nada, no cred. I could vote her now but it would be a useless vote.

I having trouble deciding which of these answers is more lame.

[grapes]

I'm*

Don't worry, no cavemen here.

[grapes]

Fire, what's it like on the other side?

[grapes]

still, i find their doubtcasting on you and Yume to be townie.

lolwhat

[grapes]

Mastin, Chara thinks that it has towncred. Defending on obvscum wagon doesn't mean anything.


There's also potential for scum to swing away from this. Or at least scum think that there is.

[grapes]

there are other avenues.

You'll notice mathblade isn't taking any interesting (telling) avenues.

Only obvious ones that won't tell us much once they flip scum.

[grapes]

Someone explain their klingon townread to me.

[grapes]

so you're saying they're preparing for their lynch by stalling (well, according to Titus and mastin, but i assume you agree) and making sure to avoid associatives?

Not really.

What avenues would you have expected scummathblade to more likely take?

[grapes]

The fact that Firebringer had some weird removal of the game thing makes RR very likely town.

Explain this like I'm 5.

[grapes]

Of all the people to townread for pushing on cakes you pick the one who

1) Didn't really push him, to be completely honest
2) And turned around on cakes after he made a blank readslist or something similarly mundane

[grapes]

Mathblade is a person who is, for all intents and purposes, looking for things to townread/scumread people for, instead of looking for town/scum.

[grapes]

It is because of this post here. Is it much more likely IMO that RR either influenced FB's removal OR is just dead fucking on with his reads.

What?

[grapes]

RR mentioned that Firebringer was not a likely scum kill.

He usually trolls and doesn't contribute much (see 1800 for evidence) and he was easy to manipulate in 1800 he even suggested how. Firebringer I love you but it is highly unlikely he was the scum kill. The way RR phrased it means that he had something to do with it or is dead on.

Yea I could see that being a possible theory.

Not your bottom line justification for your entire read on them.

[grapes]

Pretty certain RR is scum regardless if I was the kill

Did I mention I missed you dude?

[grapes]

@Titus

Probably because scum had been -mostly- not playing the game at that point. I think.

Like, if chara's town, scum involvment there is probably kraska, or stragglers keeping their options open.

That's going off of not even reading the VCs, though.

Also scum become less predictable when getting gallows'd.

[grapes]

farside are you scum?

[grapes]

Your reads are just

so bad

[grapes]

How about the post directly before it where I highlight where math cherry picks random shit from creature to townread that doesn't make any sense to someone looking at their play en masse?

[grapes]

Like what's scummy about that post in isolation anyway?

That's literally how I scumhunt.

[grapes]

I'll go on the record now and say that outside chara, shiro is the read I'm waffling on the most right now.

That's like your only push that's got a shot at flipping scum.

[grapes]

VOTE: Kraskaesque

[grapes]

Shiro, what is your opinion on that obvious question asked for the sake of asking?

[grapes]

I know right pretty scummy huh.

There's a wagon there.

[grapes]

kraska why are you ducking the pressure on mathblade?

[grapes]

rhetorical question (it's because you're scum)

[grapes]

wow

[grapes]

Don't like the wagon, because I don't feel one way or the other on cooldog/math. id rather a wagon on seraphimslot or foxbird
about Math's behaviour; don't understand why they're scumreading grapes or us. They're being weird but I've seen them be moonlogicy as town before so meh.

Can this even be considered a waffle?

Like what's the step up from that.

This is a Grandma's homemade level waffle.

[grapes]

whoever is seraphim

That would be fuzzy.

Fuzzy is obvtown.

[grapes]

VOTE: Math

[grapes]

scumflip ahoy

[grapes]

Farside, wanna ally with me?

Bad idea.

[grapes]

Farside why did you target me?

[grapes]

dgb/farside are both good votes

lesser scumreads are kraska/shadow/rr

xk if im wrong on a couple or more of those

chara/shiro i could make a pretty compelling case either way

[grapes]

someone should vig randommidget

[grapes]

VOTE: Farside

[grapes]

Would anyone care to ally?

[grapes]

Nope

[grapes]

and I think you mean season finale

[grapes]

@Fire

- Got anyone as a third in mind?

@Skybird

- Why do you think I'm town? Could you possibly iso and give your thoughts on like... your entire "processing" pile. Because there's more than enough content from a majority of those names that you should be able to get some kind of read.

@Chara

- Who are you thinkin is scum at this point sorry if you've said this already somewhere.

@Magna

- Any other scumvibes besides farside?

@Yume

- What's up.

@Almost

- You still think shiro's scum?

@TWIE

- Are you reading the game? Do you have any other scumreads besides farside?

@random

- Like sorry for saying that you shoudl get vig'd but not really like you've coasted mad hard and need to die before lylo. :p
reads would be cool? thoughts on shit that's happening in the game right now too. lol

@shrio

- Who's your most solid townread outside the confirmed town people?

@Snarky

- What's your read on me?

@Menno

- Less sure on chara than I was. You still confident there? How about RR?

@Shadow

- What's your favorite flavor of rope?

@Creature

- We need you for keeping up the thread charisma! Also we should bounce reads a bit mine feel kinda stale in areas.

@XK

- Do you exist?

[grapes]

chara/shadow/fuzzy were my allies in that order

nice choice in tunes

[grapes]

I voted for tits.

[grapes]

skybird might be scum guys

[grapes]

I gave a summary statement of why TWIE and DGB are scum. Twie is lurking even more than usual. He has given 0 reads and made many fluff statements. Even giving him some benefit of a doubt because of his play-style, he has literally done nothing this game.

DGB has mentioned a few people as being scum or town, but not made any pushes on anyone. She doesn't appear to be reading or following the thread. She said she didn't know anything about Beachpaloza and didn't vote. She's claimed to be ascetic but then says she can be targeted by events which doesn't make sense to me.

Snarky states he's trying to change to be more active, but he's not pushed people or tried to question people. He naked voted SirCakez, then got on the Mathblade wagon with a vote and "I guess I can get on board with this". Later he states he's town-reading Mathblade but never explains his 180. Naked votes DGB. He asked for votes on her but never really pushed for it. For someone who is trying to be more active, he's pretty far in the background.

this is like... a low-hanging fruit basket

[grapes]

grapes: i may have missed your response. will you ally with Fire and i tonight?

I'm down with that.

[grapes]

You could run with snarky/fuzz?

[grapes]

Oh are finally doing this?

VOTE: kraska

[grapes]

shadow/kraska could be scum/scum just based on how focused they are on being pointless towards one another for no reason.

[grapes]

When did meta shift to

pushing a lynch = sitting in the corner complaining every once in a while

[grapes]

Spoiler:

Go to sleep, thread is closed. Wake up, 7 pages. Good thing I have time to do this now.

Uh wat

KTS bro you should ally with me

VOTE: Farside

Snarky, vote RR.

Nah not interested atm

Hey farside! Does your town read on Cakez still stand?

Especially after calling creature "perfect null" and then putting him not in the nullpile. (see 934)

I disagree with like... 90% of that. grapes / farside are like nullscum at least. Creature is a lot more town, xkyfu is pretty town, Obi is pretty town.

VOTE: SirCakez

VOTE: farside

Well, now I'm like 35 pages behind wp guys

VOTE: Cakez

VOTE: cakez
VOTE: cakez
VOTE: cakez
VOTE: cakez
VOTE: cakez

I can get on board with this I guess

VOTE: Mathblade

VOTE: DGB

Re-read the iso, looked at what klingy said, I think this is a little bit obvious

Mathblade is town. Titus is town. Stop confbiasing the shit out of each other pls

Well, DGB I think is town but reasonable minds can disagree.

Why argue about it. Klingy's flip should definitively say whether or not DGB is scum, wait for that.

Fuzzy, would you be up for allying?

back off scum i called it first

I'm 100% willing to switch to a skybird wagon.

Farside is scum and will be gotten back to later.
DGB will be sorted out with klingoncelt's flip.

All of snarky's posts that stuck out to me after a second look.

[grapes]

I remember his vote on cakes being a bit more substantiated than just "I disagree with you a lot"

[grapes]

I remember his vote on cakes being a bit more substantiated than just "I disagree with you a lot"

Oh, there was that much to it?

I thought it was just literally a naked vote in prime, optimum bussing range.

What sold me was him asking farside about her cakes townread.

[grapes]

Creature who's scum?

[grapes]

Mastin can we please just lynch kraska?

[grapes]

Actually my PoE list is anyone who hasn't voted mastin2, Titus or Not Chara.

That's dumb.

Scum know who the town are and don't need to vote them unless they need to.

[grapes]

fugit

VOTE: Snarky

[grapes]

Chara I think we should roll with menno.

[grapes]

What else is snarky gonna do?

Strong-arm a lynch away from cakes?

Why's he first on the scene when town are starting to perk their ears to the rambles of cakescum.

And never around to sift through solving the textual forest that is this game with the rest of us.

[grapes]

Yes, because Snarky championed a lynch on scum both times,

[grapes]

VOTE: Snarky

[grapes]

These posts are back to back mentions of SirCakez. How does she go from town to wagoning with her biggest scumread?

I talked her out of the townread.

[grapes]

grapes, Firebringer, apologies to both of you.

What goes around comes around.

[grapes]

So me/menno/fire then yea?

[grapes]

Yea how could you not be townreading him?

[grapes]

snarky should claim i guess

we don't need to drag this out for 2 weeks

[grapes]

what?

Don't what me.

[grapes]

Kraska is scum.

[grapes]

Yea titus not sure you could pull that off.

[grapes]

This game needs flips desperately.

[grapes]

I'll go out on a limb here and say that Snarky doesn't have the votes atm primarily because he's scum. With a dash of confirm-town defending him.

All 3 of his scumreads this game have been 0-100. Stances are positions, not processes.

His cakes stance in particular looks like bussing; pulling a name out of a hat and scumreading him for things that weren't really why cakes was scum.

Nobody is town-reading him either. Just other people are more scummy.

Which brings us back to the game needing flips. Like, DGB lynch wouldn't get any argument from me. Farside either really; but that's primarily because I'm always skeptical of the age-old "i can win with town"

Meh, just kinda wish we were "caught up" I guess is the best phrase I can think of.

[grapes]

If DGB is traitor then interactions there are bound to be off anyway.

I've just never seen so much resistance to a snarky-esque player lynch before.

[grapes]

I am townreading Snarky. Please it's ok to disagree but do not misrep me. Snarky doesn't have votes because people think you're wrong.

I don't think I'm misrepping you -- it's just that there's a lot of things floating around making it okay for people to duck this.

[grapes]

Lurkers aren't unreadable. Just harder to read.

[grapes]

The Scum Factional Event "Message Received" has occurred and been resolved.
As a result, Yume has been killed. However, due to another effect in the game, Yume's role information will not be revealed at this point in time and the stress will not change as a result of this kill as of now.
This Event has caused the stress to increase by 1, towards Tragic Destiny.

Well then.

[grapes]

Fuzzy who are you allying with?

VOTE: DGB

[grapes]

grapes/magna/a50
rr/tits/shiro
chara/mastin/menno
fire/fuzzy/kraska
xk/shadow/random
snarky/twie/farside
fuzzy/sky/creature

i think if im wrong say something

[grapes]

grapes/magna/a50
rr/tits/shiro
chara/mastin/menno
fire/farside/kraska
xk/shadow/random
snarky/twie
fuzzy/sky/creature

fixed i had fuzzy twice

[grapes]

needed to shift a few things after yume died.

For instance a50 and magna needed a fill in and fire and i were gonna ally but didn't have a third, it's simpler if we just split up

plus im scumreading you so it makes more sense for you to ally fire than me

[grapes]

you could go with magna/a50 instead of me? but im not sure what you'd get out of that since magna is scumreading you

just ally with kraska and far what could go wrong there?

[grapes]

actually shadow said something about wanting to ally with farside

fuck man i dunno this is why you count votes before you vote

[grapes]

Isn't Creature allying with me and Shadow?

If that's what you guys had set up then yea.

[grapes]

grapes/magna/a50
rr/tits/shiro
chara/mastin/menno
xk/shadow/creature
snarky/random
fuzzy/sky/twie
farside/kraska/fire

This look good? Speak now.

[grapes]

Oh right we don't want her getting points.

Btw there was a hammer.

[grapes]

Magna I'm allying with you and a50 just letting you know.

[grapes]

Okay that works.

Now we just need to figure out what we're doing with fuzzy/sky/kraska/fire

I'd say just let kraska not have an alliance (especially after that hammer) and roll with fuzzy/sky/fire but it's really up to you guys. fuzzy/sky should ally at the very least. And kraska/fire can also ally just the two of them but without farside.

[grapes]

I didn't get an alliance.

Magna and almost what happened?

[grapes]

Guys, can we slow this shit down a bit?

I'm so far out of the loop this game and that isn't good.

I didn't try for an alliance.

[grapes]

I'm going to get more involved now. I didn't realize that not being in an alliance would nullify my vote. This kinda sucks.

What are your scumreads cerb?

[grapes]

I'd hold off a minute and see if we have enough votes to lynch today I think.

[grapes]

I'm going to get more involved now. I didn't realize that not being in an alliance would nullify my vote. This kinda sucks.

What are your scumreads cerb?

Nobody knew that except for scum.

Farside's at the top for the reason I just gave, along with a host of other things. TWIE is also a possibility because of the missing kill last night, but that's dependent upon varsoon and his answers to my question. The gems could have a traitor within who convinced them going into the night at -4 stress would somehow be beneficial, but I don't know which one that could be. I know who two of them are, but without knowing al three I can't judge which is most likely among all of them.

There's also a nonzero chance shiro is scum, considering he hasn't actualy done anything all game long.

Fuzzy is 90% town with snarkys flip (only way he's not is if his team deliberately let snarky live because they were afraid they would be lynched if they didn't have him around as a distraction), farside flip is most relevant for this particular scenario since she was, during the time the event was decided, the other most likely lynchee.

@kraska: you can stop this event and give us all our votes back? Please do.

-Cerb

Pedit : grapes is right actually, if we have enough votes for lynch we should consider not stopping it

...farside weren't you supposed to apply titus? Why didn't you?

How do we know there was a missing kill?

Haven't we concluded that farside isn't groupscum at least? Why do you think her flip would tell us something about other players?

Explain why snarky being town makes fuzzy town like I'm five? Are you saying that scum wouldn't have let fuzzy get roleblocked by snarky's ally ability?

That seems meh to me because town was very much in control of how alliances were put up. At least before the last two days. :p

I'm so fucking lost yo.

[grapes]

Can we trust the GEMS?!

[grapes]

I think fuzzy's town.

I think kraska is mebbe scum.

[grapes]

VOTE: Farside

let's see

[grapes]

Yea I'm not gonna believe that they're all town at face value that's how you lose games.

What's their wincon?

Massclaim doesn't sound like a bad idea but thoughts are appreciated.

Town is and has been at an info disadvantage for way too long it needs to stop. I can almost tell who the other earth are just because they're as lost/apathetic as I've been.

This is no good brochachos.

[grapes]

Well then I'd at least like to know all public info and claims.

Time to start solving this shit.

How do you know there's 2 scum left?

[grapes]

Okay so we can't even lynch today because what the fuck let's all pile on snarky.
Thought after the skybird flip he looked more town. Which is why I voted kraska for the lynch thing.

Shadow_Step - meh
Almost50 - wouldn't lynch today
Shiro - meh
Farside22 - good lynch
Reasonably Rational - wouldn't lynch today
mastin2 - wouldn't lynch today
Kraskaeaque - good lynch
MagnaofIllusion - meh
TheFuzzylogic99 - wouldn't lynch today
Creature - wouldn't lynch today
randomidget - meh
TheWayItEnds - good lynch

Just completely off the top of the dome. I know twie looks pretty bad especially since he didn't vig I mean he might've been blocked but really it's getting more and more convenient.

[grapes]

I have no idea where to go from here

No really. What are your reads?

[grapes]

Farside needs all of the death.

[grapes]

I don't want to do anything quick. People still need to post thoughts.

[grapes]

Today? How many scum do you think there are?

[grapes]

Is it confirmed farside has 5 votes?

[grapes]

So she'd have to have 2 buddies.

Seems unlikely. But they might be coordinating.

That's where kraska comes in.

[grapes]

I submitted your name :/

Anyway, just to be safe:

VOTE: No Lynch

Why did you vote for nolynch here?

[grapes]

RR and farside please stop talking to each other, thanks. Like, we get it, you guys think the other one is scum.

I'll be honest getting a sneaking suspicion that kraska's trolling everybody about being able to end the event or something because you'd think she'd have done it by now.

[grapes]

As for farside, I dunno man. Looks like there's a lot of things there. I mean I could see town just lolhammering snarky there I suppose and I don't really get why the numbers matter so much when you're voting to lynch anyway. It's easy to paint -not letting everyone get alliances- as scummy. It's easy to paint her role as scummy because it kinda is.

But the trouble is based on XK's flip that the leftovers have literally no reason to not try and help the faction who's lending them more of an ear. And town sure as hell has been pissed at farside.

Kraska's groupscum for certain. And if there's 5 twie's the last.

[grapes]

Creature, were you aware of all that cluster stuff? Why did you choose to action anyway?

Cuz it feels like you're excuse is gonna be -didn't read the thread- and that's like wow.

[grapes]

I read it, but I didn't understand.

What part didn't you understand?

[grapes]

your scumpool is like half the game holy cow

[grapes]

RR could still be scum but I keep thinking like; why would they bother trying to kill you so hard?

pedit: what

[grapes]

How many threats to earth are left? That's the kind of game we should all have in the back of our mind when trying to solve.

[grapes]

Honestly would've expected some good gamesolving from him by now if he was town.