Open 654 | Surrealism - Game over

Vaxkiller · Post Post #825 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 4:54 pm

In post 824, Zachstralkita wrote:I mean I still want to lynch Mimikyu but everyone thinks I'm fucking deluded apparently

Decided to give it a second look for ya.

His 247 was pretty bad, but I'm not seeing nearly as much lurking as The-Jester

Aubrey · Post Post #826 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:06 pm

In post 819, Zachstralkita wrote:
In post 816, Ümläüt wrote:
In post 814, Zachstralkita wrote:
Aubrey wrote:I like the fact that the both of you are double guessing your reads on Gamma. It seems townie. I doubt scum would buss/push Gamma this close to getting lynched then suddenly back off. Not only is it super risky to bus this early as scum, but I feel like scum would commit to the bussing instead of backing off as well. Further more, if you two were scum looking to hunt other scum, I feel as if you would commit to the Gamma lynching even if you begin to have doubts regarding how scummy they may actually be. Any kill is beneficial to you as long as it isn't one of your own. In short, lynch the possible scum/town player, then night kill your other/stronger scum reads that developed later in the day phase.

You both have good town leans for me.
Odd, considering your vote is on Gamma.
I don't see how this is odd at all. There's nothing inconsistent or even troublesome about scumreading Gamma while townreading someone for doing otherwise, especially not when Gamma is by far the leading wagon right now.

Obviously not at face value but I found something off about the way he worded it.

A repeat of my past it seems. How is my wording odd this time.

In post 815, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 814, Zachstralkita wrote:Odd, considering your vote is on Gamma.
Let's get him

VOTE: Aubrey

I bet you would love to see me gone. Interesting I go from a town read for you to suddenly worse than BTD...Seems like a revenge vote. I hope everyone also notes that once again, Dunn doesn't give reasons for his thinking.

--

I'm digging Vax. His reads are similar to mine. Maybe not in order. Jester has been giving me some similar ill vibes, but it's more of a gut read. I briefly mentioned it earlier in the game. We differ on Gamma.

In post 821, Aristophanes wrote:I don't see any of these counterwagon happening

afraid so. However, we have a few days. Who knows.

In post 816, Ümläüt wrote:
In post 814, Zachstralkita wrote:
Aubrey wrote:I like the fact that the both of you are double guessing your reads on Gamma. It seems townie. I doubt scum would buss/push Gamma this close to getting lynched then suddenly back off. Not only is it super risky to bus this early as scum, but I feel like scum would commit to the bussing instead of backing off as well. Further more, if you two were scum looking to hunt other scum, I feel as if you would commit to the Gamma lynching even if you begin to have doubts regarding how scummy they may actually be. Any kill is beneficial to you as long as it isn't one of your own. In short, lynch the possible scum/town player, then night kill your other/stronger scum reads that developed later in the day phase.

You both have good town leans for me.
Odd, considering your vote is on Gamma.
I don't see how this is odd at all. There's nothing inconsistent or even troublesome about scumreading Gamma while townreading someone for doing otherwise, especially not when Gamma is by far the leading wagon right now.

Thank you!

In post 817, Aristophanes wrote:Aubrey wagon?
I'll pass.

And you! Thank you!

Dunnstral · Post Post #827 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:49 pm

When did I say you were worse than btd?

Why not talk about Gamma, by the way?

Yes, I would like to see you gone, since recently (as I've pointed out) you went from voting me to gamma but went off on a mini rant to go back to it later. At this point I know you'll vote whoever has the most votes

I'm also ok with jester being lynched for being parked on me forever

In post 818, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 815, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 814, Zachstralkita wrote:Odd, considering your vote is on Gamma.
Let's get him

VOTE: Aubrey
Opportunistic vote.

This ones better:

VOTE: Gamma

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #828 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 5:55 pm

In post 827, Dunnstral wrote:When did I say you were worse than btd?

Why not talk about Gamma, by the way?

Yes, I would like to see you gone, since recently (as I've pointed out) you went from voting me to gamma but went off on a mini rant to go back to it later. At this point I know you'll vote whoever has the most votes

I'm also ok with jester being lynched for being parked on me forever

In post 818, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 815, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 814, Zachstralkita wrote:Odd, considering your vote is on Gamma.
Let's get him

VOTE: Aubrey
Opportunistic vote.
This ones better:

VOTE: Gamma

Do I even have to say what's wrong with this vote?

Dunnstral · Post Post #829 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:25 pm

You can't

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #830 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:27 pm

OMGUS. That's what's wrong with it.

Ümläüt · Post Post #831 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:44 pm

VOTE: Dunnstral

Actually in agreement with Gamma here about the opportunism. Eyeing Zach as well.

Dunnstral · Post Post #832 (ISO) » Fri Sep 23, 2016 8:13 pm

Don't be dumb

Aristophanes · Post Post #833 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:20 am

UNVOTE:

I've unconvinced myself that I am in the right place.

Zachstralkita · Post Post #834 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:59 am

Ümläüt wrote:VOTE: Dunnstral

Actually in agreement with Gamma here about the opportunism. Eyeing Zach as well.

Are you joking? Me pointing out my thoughts isn't opportunistic.

That

is opportunistic.

Ümläüt · Post Post #835 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 3:20 am

I'm not eyeing you for being opportunistic, I'm eyeing you because I have trouble crediting your misgivings about Aubrey's post as genuine.

Aubrey · Post Post #836 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 6:22 am

In post 827, Dunnstral wrote:At this point I know you'll vote whoever has the most votes

VOTE: Gamma

Hello contradiction. I also assume my Jester, Dunn, and earlier votes were also of popular opinion?

In post 827, Dunnstral wrote: Why not talk about Gamma, by the way?

I have.

In post 827, Dunnstral wrote:
Yes, I would like to see you gone, since recently (as I've pointed out) you went from voting me to gamma but went off on a mini rant to go back to it later.

Unless you think BTD or myself is town all of a sudden, then I doubt you are much different than me. I campaigned against someone who I think maybe scum, people didn't rally behind it, so I moved onto another person who I had issues with that a bigger number of people thought was possible scum. I consider this also a contradiction on your part.

In post 833, Aristophanes wrote:UNVOTE:

I've unconvinced myself that I am in the right place.

Why?

--

Totally down for lynching either Dunn or Gamma. Not much of a preference.

BTD6_maker · Post Post #837 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:24 am

In post 820, Vaxkiller wrote:I'm goign to write out some thoughts as I read.

I'm n page 9 right now, holy cow you guys talk alot.... that's... GREAT!

Blackstar seems kinda aggressive but I have more of a null read on him so far.

Jester seems pretty scummy to me at the moment. Hes just sitting in the back acting like a commentator.

Page 10

Not really agreeing with meow's (i know its my slot!) thoughts on Gamma. Jester actually joins the game with post 246

Page 13

I'm seeing some similar commentator actions from Dunn, they have some thoughts on people but don't explain why.

Page 18 (yeah im stating to skim through some pages. I've been reading for more than 2 hours now!)

Holy shit! Some guy name BTD6_maker is in this game? Lurking hard!

Clearly you missed my explanation of my Real Life being busy.

Oh god I just powered through he last of it.

I need more time to read through iso's but here are some current thoughts of where we are at. I'm not down for a gamma vote. Dunn vote im ok with , but would really prefer a jester vote first.

Do you have any reasoning for your Townread on Gamma and scumread on Jester and Dunn?

I'm not sure about a something smart vote yet. I still have a null read with a slight town edge.

I'm just going to post what I have and start participating wher we are at in the game.

VOTE: The-Jester

Overall this is nullish to me.
Other Real Life things are more important right now. However, I should be fine by the start of Day 2.

The_Jester · Post Post #838 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:36 am

I'm halfway through my catch-up post.

ISO · Post Post #839 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 7:39 am

In post 791, Aubrey wrote:You've also forgotten my question a
SECOND
time SS.

lmao, sorry! if it's this one:

In post 755, Aubrey wrote:I'm still waiting to know why you would prefer to lynch a gut read over a read in which you seem to have some logical reasoning behind SS.

the answer is that, at that time, my reasoning on Gamma was conflicted; he had done some newb-towny things and some newb-scummy things; and furthermore, he strikes me as an easy push for scum to make. whereas I don't think I've actually liked anything Dunnstral has done.

however I promise I'll stop being lame and RIGHT NOW I will ISO some people and come up with some reads!

and by the way, Vax, Jester is my strongest townread and you're voting him for playstyle stuff (that actually makes him towny in my eyes b/c meta).

ISO · Post Post #840 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:25 am

So, I don't think anyone else besides Gamma and Dunn can (or should) realistically be lynched today, based on people's general reads and votes. I'm in partial agreement with Ari in that new counterwagons probably won't happen, and even if they did they'd probably end up being a terrible deadline wagon on town.

After ISOing Gamma and Dunn (these were the 2 main people I wanted to look at), I think lynching Dunn today is better. I don't have a strong read on Gamma, because he's fairly new and for reasons I mentioned before. Essentially, I see a lot of matter-of-factness in his ISO, which is normally good, but he's agreeing with so many people and seems hesitant to produce original thoughts. I don't feel comfortable sorting him without flips.

Dunn seems to be BSing his way through the game. It's not that he has no valid content, it's just that it's all over the place and doesn't contribute to any unified scumhunting picture; it's more like he's trying to not attract attention for any one thing for too long. He's done a whole lot of questionable things and pushed a whole bunch of easy pushes, and I don't expect this read to become more informed with flips like I do with Gamma.

VOTE: Dunnstral

The_Jester · Post Post #841 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:29 am

Sorry for my inactivity but I've just quit my shitty job and got a new one, which is an improvement but leaves me with very little free time.

Let's do the catch-up thing.

Spoiler:

Okay I won't be able to finish my catch up tonight so I'm gonna post this as it is and follow with the second part tomorrow. Way too much content to break through at once.

Aubrey · Post Post #842 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:21 am

^ now THIS is a catch up post. Feeling better about Jester.

Aubrey · Post Post #843 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:34 pm

UNVOTE: Gamma.
VOTE: Dunn.

Aristophanes · Post Post #844 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:40 pm

In post 836, Aubrey wrote:Why?

Because things are shaking up and I want to make sure I actually see scum here. I'll Iso them and Dumm and see what I can do from there.

Aubrey · Post Post #845 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 12:47 pm

In post 836, Aubrey wrote:
In post 827, Dunnstral wrote:At this point I know you'll vote whoever has the most votes

VOTE: Gamma

Hello contradiction
. I also assume my Jester, Dunn, and earlier votes were also of popular opinion?

I'm wrong here, where I stroke though . Wasn't keeping up with the votes correctly. Before Dunn Voted Gamma, I believe the votes were tied. Dunn's vote however tipped Gamma's vote count over by 1 in comparison to Dunn's.

VC MOD please?

and thank you.

Creature · Post Post #846 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:00 pm

Votecount 1.12

[0] BTD6_Maker
[1] Mimikyu - Zachstralkita
[1] Something_Smart - BlackStar
[0] Vaxkiller
[0] Aubrey
[2] Gamma Emerald - BTD6_Maker, Dunnstral
[0] hi im Yakko
[0] BlackStar
[1] Zachstralkita - hi im Yakko

[5] Dunnstral - The_Jester, Gamma Emerald, Ümläüt, Something_Smart, Aubrey [L-2]

[1] The_Jester - Vaxkiller
[1] Ümläüt - Mimikyu
[0] Aristophanes

[0] Nolynch

Not voting: Aristophanes

There are 13 players alive, 7 votes is the majority.

Deadline: (expired on 2016-09-27 13:00:00)

Zachstralkita · Post Post #847 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:30 pm

hold the fuck up

Since I'm more free and more inclined to post here now I'll get into that

For the record I don't like this wagon right now and if anything want Dunnstral to post his reads. It's not that he's a scum impossibility to me, but that the lynch Gamma crowd has suddenly had a convenient revelation that would prompt the wagon switch at the same time and no one is addressing that. Oh, oh, because there's no opposition to the lynch it's so opportunistic and suddenly all of you want to switch?

w o w

, how convenient!

Does no one care? Or are you not caring on purpose? Quite fucking obviously there are strings being pulled.

That is the main factor. The other one is I don't actually have a game with Scum Dunnstral, well technically, but I'm very certain he plays very similar as both alignments. This is key. And there's lynches I'd much rather prefer.

Gamma

himself

hopped on his fucking counterwagon with no shame.

I don't know why people are giving me shit about still wanting to lynch my probably top scumread. Like he should have stopped being scum to me or something. Get the fuck out of here. Sorry guys, I don't fucking make up SRs when convenient to me. I felt strongly about Mimikyu when I voted him. I still feel strongly about it now. If you don't care then say so.

Ümläüt wrote:I'm not eyeing you for being opportunistic, I'm eyeing you because I have trouble crediting your misgivings about Aubrey's post as genuine.

Yeah Umlaut, we should just have the same opinions and feel the same way at the same time all the time so everything can be fine? Of what I post, what is the deductive method that allows you to determine what is genuine or not?

The_Jester wrote: I'm actually starting to dislike Zach in #590. He's blamed Dunn for tunnelling him but all he does at this point is talk about Dunn and use it as an excuse not to talk about other stuff. But then he follows with a pretty good point on BTD in #593 so I don't know.

What you're not familiar with is that the norm for myself and Funnstral is to argue for a fuckton of pages and have people bitch at us. I tried to detract from that this game but eventually gave in to the relentless stream of shit. It's my fragile human soul. I can only take so much.

Of the people on Gamma's wagon, if I had to name someone suspicious, it's Jester based on that catch-up, but I'll wait for him to finish it to say what I have to say. The whole Aubrey situation is fucking bizarre because when I state an opinion based on my perception and not even attack or push, I'm in the wrong.

It might be that Fix-it Felix avatar that has my emotions going haywire, but I don't see the fuss about S_S. It looks like he's been shooting straight to me from here.

Yakko's been getting a free pass for not doing shit simply because "I'm scum", which is just dandy, isn't it?. I'm not too fond of when people say I'm scum and don't present their bullshit argument so I can go into precisely how bullshit it is. Please provide me with that common courtesy. Are you gonna say it's a gut read, bud? It doesn't make it any less obvious to anyone if you don't.

If you guys are fine with that I'm not gonna say shit because it's a testament to the amount of fuckery people condone this game. I'd definitely lynch there, though as opposed to these fucking options. BTD does not, to me, give the appearance of that scum who's under pressure. I think in his situation, scum that was trying to slide by would opt to acquiesce and attempt to post heavy content rather than still not doing that and still saying they'll be inactive. That's not someone who's deceiving us IMO.

Vax himself I need to get accustomed to his posts. However MeowMix was a very strong TR of mine and I liked his posts a lot.

Zachstralkita · Post Post #848 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:31 pm

That wasn't to say I think Gamma's scum necessarily, just that the entire way that played out fucking

reeked

.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #849 (ISO) » Sat Sep 24, 2016 1:34 pm

In post 847, Zachstralkita wrote:
hold the fuck up

Since I'm more free and more inclined to post here now I'll get into that

For the record I don't like this wagon right now and if anything want Dunnstral to post his reads. It's not that he's a scum impossibility to me, but that the lynch Gamma crowd has suddenly had a convenient revelation that would prompt the wagon switch at the same time and no one is addressing that. Oh, oh, because there's no opposition to the lynch it's so opportunistic and suddenly all of you want to switch?
w o w
, how convenient!

Does no one care? Or are you not caring on purpose? Quite fucking obviously there are strings being pulled.

That is the main factor. The other one is I don't actually have a game with Scum Dunnstral, well technically, but I'm very certain he plays very similar as both alignments. This is key. And there's lynches I'd much rather prefer.

Gamma
himself
hopped on his fucking counterwagon with no shame.

I don't know why people are giving me shit about still wanting to lynch my probably top scumread. Like he should have stopped being scum to me or something. Get the fuck out of here. Sorry guys, I don't fucking make up SRs when convenient to me. I felt strongly about Mimikyu when I voted him. I still feel strongly about it now. If you don't care then say so.

Ümläüt wrote:I'm not eyeing you for being opportunistic, I'm eyeing you because I have trouble crediting your misgivings about Aubrey's post as genuine.
Yeah Umlaut, we should just have the same opinions and feel the same way at the same time all the time so everything can be fine? Of what I post, what is the deductive method that allows you to determine what is genuine or not?

The_Jester wrote: I'm actually starting to dislike Zach in #590. He's blamed Dunn for tunnelling him but all he does at this point is talk about Dunn and use it as an excuse not to talk about other stuff. But then he follows with a pretty good point on BTD in #593 so I don't know.
What you're not familiar with is that the norm for myself and Funnstral is to argue for a fuckton of pages and have people bitch at us. I tried to detract from that this game but eventually gave in to the relentless stream of shit. It's my fragile human soul. I can only take so much.

Of the people on Gamma's wagon, if I had to name someone suspicious, it's Jester based on that catch-up, but I'll wait for him to finish it to say what I have to say. The whole Aubrey situation is fucking bizarre because when I state an opinion based on my perception and not even attack or push, I'm in the wrong.

It might be that Fix-it Felix avatar that has my emotions going haywire, but I don't see the fuss about S_S. It looks like he's been shooting straight to me from here.

Yakko's been getting a free pass for not doing shit simply because "I'm scum", which is just dandy, isn't it?. I'm not too fond of when people say I'm scum and don't present their bullshit argument so I can go into precisely how bullshit it is. Please provide me with that common courtesy. Are you gonna say it's a gut read, bud? It doesn't make it any less obvious to anyone if you don't.

If you guys are fine with that I'm not gonna say shit because it's a testament to the amount of fuckery people condone this game. I'd definitely lynch there, though as opposed to these fucking options. BTD does not, to me, give the appearance of that scum who's under pressure. I think in his situation, scum that was trying to slide by would opt to acquiesce and attempt to post heavy content rather than still not doing that and still saying they'll be inactive. That's not someone who's deceiving us IMO.

Vax himself I need to get accustomed to his posts. However MeowMix was a very strong TR of mine and I liked his posts a lot.

What does this mean for your read on me?