Open 44 - Twofold Mafia: GAME OVER! before 506

[JDodge]

Oh for god's sake.

I don't know if Tobiassen is totally clueless or what, but how much am I going to let slide here?

Sikario is our claimed, uncountered doc.

Unvote Rishi, vote Tobiassen

. It's been one long string of nonsensical action after another and none of them are helping the town.

I'd rather this lynch to lordy's by a long shot

, even though I'm not particularly hot on either.

I found this statement a bit out of place. The list of Dasq/lordy connections continues to grow.

See? Maybe I'm not as crazy as you think, eh?

[Sikario8]

You guys must be masterminds in the real world...

[somestrangeflea]

5

lordy - 4 (Sikario8, ckillor, aioqwe, TylerJ)
Sikario8 - 2 (groinhammer, Tobiassen)
Tobiassen - 2 (shaft.ed, Dasquian)
ckillor - 1 (pwayne66)
Dasquian - 1 (JDodge)
JDodge - 1 (lordy)

Not Voting - Rishi

12 alive, 7 to lynch, 4 at deadline.

Deadline in 4 days, 23 hours and 28 minutes.

[TylerJ]

Tobiessen seems to just be making newb mistakes. In the matter of the few months that I have participated on this site I have seen three newbs vote for themselves. His vote for claimed Doc could stem out of the fact that he lost track of the replacements. I too find myself forgetting who is supposed to be who. I'm just glad I didn't make the mistake of forgetting and then voting for the Doc. Well, actually I did do the forgetting part, but not the voting part.

I am not saying he isn't scum, nor am I excusing his actions. I'm just putting my two cents in. Take it or leave it.

Now was it Dasq that wrote that I was taking an opportunistic vote? Whoever it was, I have to say this. I was already suspicious of lordy (Chronx). It is just that I was weighing between voting for Max or Lordy. So my voting him wasn't based off of the input of others. Merely, it helped me see an advantage of voting Chronx rather than Max. Shaft.ed mentioned that perhaps you two are scumbuddies. If he turns out scum, I wouldn't be absolutely sure if you are too. But at least it would help with determining your alignment at least some.

[Dasquian]

Sure, I'm not saying that if someone comes up scum you shouldn't take a long hard look at who voted for them and who defended them in the hunt for their partner - of course you should. You should just also remember that their scumbuddy knows this will happen too, and will act accordingly.

A world of WIFOM lies down this path of reasoning though, so I'll stop there. In any case, we haven't even lynched lordy, let alone determined him to be scum, so this is all a bit pre-emptive. I just get nervy when people put me in scum-pairings because I

know

it's wrong, and thus suspect a setup. I like to nip that sort of thing in the bud.

[JDodge]

Note: Tyler defending Tobiassen; possible connection if one of my previous pairs is false

[shaft.ed]

Note: JDodge's scum list just broadened from 7 of 10 to 8 of 10. That's quite a broad net. Wonder if aoiqwe and Rishi are safe.

[Tobiassen]

damn, i allso want to note something,
but hey, nobody's perfect O.o

[Tobiassen]

and i still cant understand why you say that i'm not moving the game forward,
im making huuuge discussions !

[JDodge]

i have divined from the posts thus far the following likely scumpairs

Dasquian-pwayne/lordy (more likely pwayne)
Tobiassen-ckillor/shaft.ed/groinhammer

people not voting for one of them are wasting their vote

Allow me to rephrase this

If Dasquian = scum, then one of pwayne/lordy = scum, more likely lordy now

If Tobiassen = scum, then one of Tyler/ckillor/shaft.ed = scum, more likely Tyler, then shaft.ed

[TylerJ]

mentioned it twice Jdodge. Form of brainwashing? Oh, well I knew someone was going to mention that. Like I said, I just wanted to add my two sense.


All I'm saying dasq that is if lordy is lynched and comes up scum, I will know who to at least look at more intently. Of course it isn't a set in stone case that if he is scum, you are too.

[Tobiassen]

Unvote

[TylerJ]

I will ask again tobiassen to change your avie

[shaft.ed]

OK Tobiassen's play seems to be consistantly "light-hearted." While I've seen that be used on occasion as a valid pro-town strategy, generally the person going with such a play style will make some conclusions based on the reactions to their posts. Thus far I haven't seen any such ploy by Tobiassen. While behaving in such a manner may not be inherently scummy, it is inherently anti-town as it serves to distract players from what is going on in the game. Therefore, combining what I think is scumminess from Max's play with Tobiassen's two scummy slip-ups that I've previously noted. I think Tobiassen will be my vote for the day (have to leave town and computer access on Friday).

That said, my views towards Dasq have been wavering a bit after reviewing JDodge's post. But in a subsequent reread I see again that Dasq gave Tyler plenty of explanation of the situation he was in. And also gave him some advice that I see as someone trying to help out a possible townie from becoming nervous and getting lynched. While I do find it odd that he would be so adamant about a Tyler and Panzer claim, Tyler was at L-2 for about 3 game pages and panzer was playing scummy. The different stance towards ChronX/lordy has been noted ad nauseum now.

The person that came out scummy again was ChronX/lordy. I think if they are a pair, which I'm not really sure about, lordy should be the first one targeted not Dasq. I hope that the people actually voting lordy would go read my posts from that time and draw conclusions based on that (ie. I don't like aoiqwe's current "let's bandwagon close to deadline" vote).

What worries me most about the lordy/ChronX issue, is that I seem to be the only player that has ever provided a substantial case for lynching him. Also three bandwagons have now easily formed against him (interesting note that Rishi was on all three). This gives me a bit of pause in pushing for his lynch.

I think as of now my lynch list would be ckillor, Tobiassen as top priorities, lordy and Rishi as secondary. Maybe aioqwe.

With ckillor out for replacement and no one taking Tobiassen seriously, I might move to a secondary lynch choice if it appears my Tobiassen vote is going to waste.

[TylerJ]

While it is true that you were the only one that gave a case against Lordy, I should say this. Your reason for voting him was because of his push for a claim. Just because you gave the evidence, doesn't mean that me and others are voting for no reason. It was because I agreed with your stance that I voted. It is true that I didn't use my own case, but I didn't vote without reason.

You seemed to accept my evaluation in post 653, but I should play devils advocate. Could it be that they both pushed a claim as a team forming double pressure. Again, I am not saying they are a team, but I am playing devils advocate in an attempt to look at every possible solution.

As far as my opinions of Dasq, I only find him slightly suspicious at best. So far I wouldn't give a second thought about voting for him with the current evidence.

[TylerJ]

ohh, and forgot. While I do believe that ckillor is scum, I wanted to wait till he either got more active or was replaced. That is why my vote isn't on ckillor.

[lordy]

Right now my only suspicions are on JDodge/ Rishi and ckillor, but seeing it being so close to deadline I think my opinions might hardly count.

So far I believe I dealt with most of the arguments against me, except for the links between me and Dasq. It is still day one, while these behaviors are meant to be observed and taken down, it would be abit too early to associate different people as partners.

If you haven't noticed, of the two he/she is the only one buddying up, so if she turns out scum I do not want to be implicated.

Also Jdodge, this is a reasoning game. I do not see why you are not giving reason to your votes.

[Tobiassen]

I find JDodges play style very "professional",
very defensive, he lurks in the shadow and posts meanings and conclusions hoping to turn the game in his direction,.

everyone else is just trowing around insults and disrespecting my avvie, but Jdodge is just playing it cool,
I'm just accusing JDodge for being a good mafia player (god forbid if I'm wrong), but be aware, I got my eye on you,

If i see you before you see me, look out.

[somestrangeflea]

Groinhammer has been prodded.

[Sikario8]

Happy holidays, everyone.

A WEEK OUT OF SCHOOL!

[Tobiassen]

gz sikario

[Tobiassen]

but no posting du to school break?
i dont see the logic,

[JDodge]

Also Jdodge, this is a reasoning game. I do not see why you are not giving reason to your votes.

Reasons are overrated.

everyone else is just trowing around insults and disrespecting my avvie, but Jdodge is just playing it cool,
I'm just accusing JDodge for being a good mafia player (god forbid if I'm wrong), but be aware, I got my eye on you,

What the hell?

[shaft.ed]

Also Jdodge, this is a reasoning game. I do not see why you are not giving reason to your votes.

Reasons are overrated.

No they're not. They just get you into trouble when you're wrong.

everyone else is just trowing around insults and disrespecting my avvie, but Jdodge is just playing it cool,
I'm just accusing JDodge for being a good mafia player (god forbid if I'm wrong), but be aware, I got my eye on you,

What the hell?

Sounds like the classic too townie fallacy. Why aren't more people voting for Tobiassen?

[JDodge]

Also Jdodge, this is a reasoning game. I do not see why you are not giving reason to your votes.

Reasons are overrated.

No they're not. They just get you into trouble when you're wrong.

Theoretically, that is correct. In practice, it isn't.