Mini 1834: Biker Wars: Blood in the Streets (Game over!)

[Parama]

i dislike eager continuing to refer to himself as lynchbait.

farside votes cakes and then immediately goes and lists the reasons why she thinks I'm scum. whereas the argument she makes against sircakez is comparatively brief.
by the way, this is the question you need to answer, not the ones you quoted. stop freaking lying. i literally could not make this more clear. you are intentionally ignoring this question.

pedit: so questions only matter now if they're alignment-indicative.
how do you define that?

where
did
you
answer
this
question

point to it.
right this instant.

gear shows up and posts nothing but useless garbage masquerading as content.
like seriously look at this: 362
how the hell do you get bussing out of that??? you only freaking called this bussing so you'd have a justification to lynch them both, probably set up a mislynch if one of them does flip scum

eager, why would you vote kuribo over sircakez at all. the softclaim is bad, sure, but not really scummy.

kraska 377 ignoring someone is literally the worst thing you can do, what the hell. i think farside is scum. why the HELL would i ignore her? that lets her get away.

if you want my thoughts on the whole ignore button fiasco grey is pushing: literally means nothing. plenty of other reasons farside is scum, but that ain't one of them.

@eager: sircakez is probscum, but farside is practically flipped scum fmpov. i keep my vote where the best candidate for scum is.

[eagerSnake]

eager, why would you vote kuribo over sircakez at all. the softclaim is bad, sure, but not really scummy.

I didn't. Only reason I would is if someone could somehow prove to me that SirCakez is in fact just guilty of bad judgement, and even then IDK if I would believe it.

[Parama]

it's not that you didn't, it's that you even considered it in the first place that baffles me.

[eagerSnake]

Yeah, I have a list of like 100 different things I would just immediately conf!scum lynch someone for, but I am finding that is too extreme of a view. They are scumtells, sure, but conf!scumming someone for doing just one of them is way too extreme, so I'm working on not doing that.

[eagerSnake]

i dislike eager continuing to refer to himself as lynchbait.

Also, do you disagree with the fact that it's extremely easy to make an argument against me?

[Parama]

i don't really disagree but the constantly pointing it out is the issue i have here.

[eagerSnake]

I feel like it's relevant. If someone else would point out these things then I wouldn't have to.

[Gear]

how the hell do you get bussing out of that???

It's such a bullshit case that if he was scum, he'd hesitate to make it against town.

[curiouskarmadog]

Just am FYI, it is the end of the quarter. I am slammed with report writing. Also I am gone this weekend. I will try to update this game tomorrow (night?) or Friday (morning?). Using phone atm

[farside22]

@mod can you sent out a game start pm to rach

would also love to hear more than nothing from snarky as well

pedit: so questions only matter now if they're alignment-indicative.
how do you define that?

Someone other than Parma want to tell me the importance of these question.

parama wrote:
fence sitting
or you know, it was absolutely in earnest ???

>not questioning it
???????

Supply put these are the type of question Parama asking that is what I call drivel.

[farside22]

Supply = simply
Sigh

[eagerSnake]

Also him openly taking concern with me is concerning, as its not productive. I'm sure everyone agrees with what he is saying, but they don't point it out because they don't feel the need to, but he's like oh I can point out my concern with this to look townie!

[kraska77]

kraska 377 ignoring someone is literally the worst thing you can do, what the hell. i think farside is scum. why the HELL would i ignore her? that lets her get away.

if you two werent stuck in "but you didnt answer my question" limbo, then sure
but you are and your exchange isnt going anywhere the way it is now. why dont you two talk about other things so you'll have more substantial things to say about eachother?

[farside22]

Also him openly taking concern with me is concerning, as its not productive. I'm sure everyone agrees with what he is saying, but they don't point it out because they don't feel the need to, but he's like oh I can point out my concern with this to look townie!

OR how he has a sudden scum read on cakez but finds a reason not to vote him.

[eagerSnake]

^ yeahup

[Parama]

you guys are seriously going to let farside continue to get away with being a massive hypocrite then?

also lol @ "scumreads cakez but doesn't vote him"
again, I vote my strongest scumread, always.
I am not pointing out my concerns with eager to look townie.

I am pointing them out because they are legitimately concerning and the way everyone is willing to brush them under the rug is even more concerning. it's called... scumhunting. Heard of it?

[Parama]

@aristo to be fair, i never had a "stance" on eager to withdraw in the first place. i was just voicing a thought or two about his play. for what it's worth, i don't have a particularly strong read either way right now but how easily everyone is writing him off as town is setting off flags. and i really don't like him continuing to purse the whole omgus thing even after like three people screamed at him that it was literally jsut basic frickin math. and the constant self-referencing of tunneling almost starts to sound like an excuse for bad play after a while.

omg. i'm convincing myself of an eager scumread again, even looking past all the clunkiness of his posts. i like 102 though.

nobody cared when I posted this. Why is me pointing out issues with eager only just now becoming a problem?

[Parama]

I don't think I've ever expressed a townread on eager for what it's worth. I don't particularly think he's a strong scum read or a good lynch at the moment. But how easily he's being written off as town and how people are attacking anyone who questions his supposed towniness is just setting off all sorts of flags, and I especially dislike his attitude about it. "Look at me I'm so town that I can point out all the scummy things I do but if anyone else points them out it's suddenly a problem"

[Parama]

honestly, more.than anything, what I feel is happening is that eager is letting things get to his head a little and scum (esp. Farside, who has been incredibly eager to buddy eager) are using that to their advantage.

anyways I actually need to get back to work now

[GreyICE]

Honestly Kuribo, was I scum with you in a couple of games? Yes. I think every game we played together before this one I drew scum. Was this some nefarious plot of mine? No. I don't like playing scum, I genuinely dislike it, but I play it out because that's how mafia works and if I replace out, don't fight my lynch or don't push lynches on townies as scum I am violating the spirit of the game. But more to the point it's

not my fucking plot

okay? I don't message the mods and go "yo man, I'll slip you $20 through PayPal if you make me a scumbutt". It's the role I drew those games and if you're seriously angry over that rather than playing it up, fuck you. You're better than that.

I'll give you your space, for fucks sake I was giving you space. I also am stating my read on you, and yeah, it was scum and frankly its still more than a little towards scum. It's insanely demoralizing to open the thread as scum and realize there's a stupid 5 vote RVS wagon on you. It feels bad. I've been there and it felt way worse than it did when I was town and I don't quite grasp the psychology behind it, but I know what I know.

My vote is parked on Farside and I like it there.

@Gear:

The nature of the lie is irrelevant. The

choice

to lie is everything. In point of fact the lie being about non-game related things is MORE damning. Townies might, for whatever deluded reason, talk themselves into lying about the gamestate for strategic purposes.

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

curiouskarmadog (1): SirCakez
farside22 (2): GreyICE, Parama
kuribo (1): kraska77
SirCakes (4): curiouskarmadog, Untrod Tripod, eagerSnake, farside22
Not voting (5): kuribo, RachMarie, SnarkySnowman, Aristophanes, Gear

With

13

players voting, it takes

7

votes to lynch a player.

Day 1 end in (expired on 2016-10-10 13:18:51).

Stranger coug you missed my vote on the last 2 counts

Fixed. For future reference, please bold stuff I need to read.

@mod: VLA for the next 24 hours

Noted.

[SirCakez]

Also cakez admitted to reading my stuff as town but pursuing it anyway when be said "most of his stuff is easy to fake" implying he reads it as town but thinks I'm faking

No, I read your "stuff" as null crap that you shouldn't be being townread for

i dislike eager continuing to refer to himself as lynchbait.

Also, do you disagree with the fact that it's extremely easy to make an argument against me?

Just look at this garbage
Literally no one except me is attacking him and he's trying to make himself look all vulnerable and lynchbaity when he's being widely townread
It's fake as fuck

VOTE: eager

[eagerSnake]

A lot of this stuff he's doing is easily fakable

"stuff" was the word Cakez originally used, btw.

[eagerSnake]

Seriously, Cakez, regardless of your alignment you picked the wrong guy.

[StrangerCoug]

Bumping over the count.