Shadowrun Mafia - Game Over

[Frozen Angel]

that KC used an action to figure out ABR messages and to spy his role

so I do beleive ABR is town based on your calculations even more

[SooperDetective]

I never said abr wasnt town

I have been townreading him for most of the game i think.
If anything this looks bad on klingon imo

But im not really scumreading klingon either, more of a wishy washy read. I think froot has them higher in her reads but im not sure

PS @klingon this would all be tons easier if you explicitly allowed me to reveal your role since i dont have to do secrecy stuff and i can just say what i mean
But i respect it if you dont want to fullclaim

-S

[Daenerys and Dragons]

Because he literally developed the scumread randomly right after ABR pushed him
Yeah we had a townread on him yesterday from meta/play, I thought I said that
MC didn't shoot Space Cowboy iirc.
Yes he scumslipped
Yes I think PV walked into being jailed due to pressure from House

all 3 cant be scum though

2 of the 3 people your fos ing are town very likely and I want to bring them back tonight.

This is what confuses me
I think 13-4 with a traitor makes sense, so 2 scum could be in jail and only 1 left alive
So if I HAD to pick, the town is prob SC

Fine, because I'm tired of the secrecy
Im a voyeur
First night i looked at random and only saw a bounty and myself

This night i saw my own action, klingon's action called nerfed agent which does X, X and sees sent and received messages. I also saw another action, but I am unsure whether I should claim that since I don't know if the user (i dont know the user, only the action) wants me to reveal it.

@fa second

-S

This claim seems super fake
None of the roles have been this vanilla, they've all had weird abilities or multiple different abilities
Just a vanilla Voyeur doesn't fit at all

I'm glad to see others are coming around on Sooper scum too

-dragons

[Frozen Angel]

mod confirmed that i wouldn't loose my ability to enter/exit asteral even if house were vanalizing me .

abr is fine

[Frozen Angel]

and he came in after day start so he was honest with that too.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Unvote

Mod confirmed it to me too. Seems bastard to me that it wouldn't but now is not the time for that discussion.

Just got home from work.

@D&D I am not asking what I am asking if - Are you claiming to have multiple abilities or are you claiming that you just give out guns?

[JaeReed]

I have two abilities. The ring and the prison escape thing. That's it.

I don't think you can argue that abilities make someone scum on their own. That said, there's conflicting information between Sooper and Kling so one of them is scum imo. Still haven't finished looking through the thread to figure things out fully.

@Math I thought it was better for town overall if you could still act last night, which is why I did what I did. At the time, to me, it seemed like the best action to take.

[Klingoncelt]

Also, there might have been a Mod error.

I will shoot you down just for this sentense.

and I'm sirious KC.

you are claiming you are not informed about what was the thing I was talking about and you are suggesting there was a mod error any way?

There was a Mod error, but that's a good thing. Had the instance NOT been a Mod error, then the game state would be altered. So everything's cool.

[Klingoncelt]

Fine. Talk to me about Sooper and KC while I get dressed for work.

Regarding KC -- I find it odd I did not receive a single message last night. I know you got mine because of how you posted. I find it odd I did not get a message.

Regarding Sooper -- Are you arguing Sooper is telling the truth and is therefore scum?

It seems like you are starting from both people telling the truth and then finding scum and still assuming they are telling the truth. If either one of them is scum what they have claimed gets treated with as much truth as a used car salesman with a quota.

Were you expecting a message? Who from? Why?

[Klingoncelt]

@klingon: my pm clearly states that you can see sent AND received messages, as well as 2 other things. If FA read through it correctly she knows what 2 actions. Jae as well. Is it or isn't it called nerfed agent?

-S

You're right, I checked my Role PM and I

can

see received messages. I guess that ABR didn't receive any on Night 1 and Math didn't receive any on Night 2.

I'm basically a watcher/tracker with limitations. I can see *most of those* who come to visit, and I can see *most of those* the target visits. Dropping off letters counts as a visit.

I'm an old geezer I don't know what "nerfed" means.

[Klingoncelt]

keep in mind kling knew my role since n1 when she intercepted my drixx msg

This is true.

[Daenerys and Dragons]

VOTE: Unvote

Mod confirmed it to me too. Seems bastard to me that it wouldn't but now is not the time for that discussion.

Just got home from work.

@D&D I am not asking what I am asking if - Are you claiming to have multiple abilities or are you claiming that you just give out guns?

At night, we only give out guns. We also have one other ability that we haven't used but it has little possible utility from my perspective, given other things that have happened.

-Daenerys

[Frozen Angel]

Kling can you confirm ABR used the so told action on math last night or not?

[Klingoncelt]

Kling can you confirm ABR used the so told action on math last night or not?

I can't see what action anyone performs, only that they visited the target.

ABR visited MathBlade.

[SooperDetective]

This claim seems super fake
None of the roles have been this vanilla, they've all had weird abilities or multiple different abilities
Just a vanilla Voyeur doesn't fit at all

I'm glad to see others are coming around on Sooper scum too

-dragons

But it's not fake, because i have information because of it that's confirmable.
My other 'power' is entering/leaving matrix whenever I want, but that was already known.

Kling can you confirm ABR used the so told action on math last night or not?

I can't see what action anyone performs, only that they visited the target.

ABR visited MathBlade.

Can you confirm that I did as well?


Now that klingon claimed that
Tracker+ watcher means
If both klingon and i target scum doing nightkill, which is strongmanized by abr, i see that there is a strongmanize, and klingon sees who that was and who the scum visited (a dead body)
Thats a breaking combo that catches 2 scum in 1 night, and with that masonizer/neighborizer it would have been possible to coordinate

Ergo
If abr is scum klingon is likely scum because klingon!town would be too op
Thats what i was saying yesterday

-S

[Klingoncelt]

I can't see what action anyone performs, only that they visited the target.

ABR visited MathBlade.

Can you confirm that I did as well?


Now that klingon claimed that
Tracker+ watcher means
If both klingon and i target scum doing nightkill, which is strongmanized by abr, i see that there is a strongmanize, and klingon sees who that was and who the scum visited (a dead body)
Thats a breaking combo that catches 2 scum in 1 night, and with that masonizer/neighborizer it would have been possible to coordinate

Ergo
If abr is scum klingon is likely scum because klingon!town would be too op
Thats what i was saying yesterday

-S

I'm not Scum.

ABR isn't Scum.

And yes, you were visiting MathBlade too.

[Frozen Angel]

@D&D

sooper is not that vanilla as your making it look like though. he is a semi role cop voyeur.

[SooperDetective]

@D&D

sooper is not that vanilla as your making it look like though. he is a semi role cop voyeur.

Well
D&D is right that it is rather vanilla

Wiki says 'voyeur sees the actions done on a player but not the people who visited'

So it is a 'vanilla' voyeur.


-S

[SooperDetective]

No wait it isnt

I see night and day actions performed on a player (thenight i use it and the day before that) I just didnt see any day actions yet because what day actions have there been so far? Dayvig, but i cant target in prison as far as i know.

I forgot about that part of my role lol
Its not important so meh

-S

[Frozen Angel]

what are you talking about

You saw the exact actions they performed , how is that weaker than a normal voyuer? Voyeurs see "protective" "killing" "blocking" etc not the exact roles normally.

[Frozen Angel]

ohhh

day actions eh?

[SooperDetective]

Oh
I thought voyeur sees full actions already
My bad.

Pedit: yes. Is it that special? I haven't seen day actions yet.

[Frozen Angel]

Thats important info

if your town that suggests scum has day actions - MC menno for example (cuase his day vig was private as well)

if there are enough town actions you an be useful for scum. for a fact it can be sueful for scum to detect wheter if someone is inside or outside a pt - but then there was already a karnoos doing that in them

[Frozen Angel]

ask mod if your ability can detect someone entering or exiting a PT or not.

[Frozen Angel]

It actually makes sense for your role to be against MC.

MC never shot SC publickly means he casted that ability privatley. You could detect and catch him.