STEVEN UNIVERSE 2 - GAME OVER

[Titus]

If Foxbird rarely has good reads, why not read their posts and start from the opposite position?

[Shadow_step]

Lol it doesn't work that way.
Are you saying that my reasoning should be fox found this slot scummy so it must be town? Or something to that effect?

Also that is a terrible way to develop reads.
If you already assume someone is of x alignment there will be tonnes of bias. I don't develop reads that way. No thank you.

[Shadow_step]

Also, Kraska your point about Seraphim is total BS. You asked me this on day 2. I told you that my case on him wasn't lurking. It was how he got cold feet and was switching wagons for little to no reason what soever.
But as scum you obviously conveniently chose to ignore it as if I never said that.

[Randomnamechange]

Shadow seemed town last page

[farside22]

Yeah, that's the main problem I have with your case kraska. I asked you to make a case on shadow using JUST his iso, not foxbirds, and I don't believe you ever did so.

i can do that
1) dodged the entirety of the math episode, took potshots at creature, a lynch that was clearly not happening on that day
2) come day 3, and suddenly he's nonchalant about creature. no attempts to push him or get people to vote him even though it seems there's enough creature-is-scum-sentiment today for the wagon to gain decent traction
3) oh and...(well this should be number 1 if we're going by sequence) cased seraphim on things that his predecessor is also guilty of. and once i pointed that out, he retorted with "she was busy irl". i know she was and that has nothing to do with anything i've said and i'd never not factor people's real life circumstances into my reads on them. the fact still remains that in what little time foxbird had to contribute to the game, she had selective reads she couldnt explain on the very lurkers who mastin called scum. okay, even if you dont think this means that slot is scum, foxbird didnt explain her scumread on snarky either, even though snarky provided enough content to read him off of...after i called her out on her reads, she posted new reads after being caught up and again didnt explain any of them. anyway back to the topic at hand. shadow called seraphim scum for doing the same things foxbird did.
4) doing nothing today basically

@shadow: can you explain your read on creature?

Last two points are complete nonsense and have been brought up opportunistically when asked. She never talked about this before, take note. Its all conveniently bought up.

Creature is still is scum read but there is literally no interest in lynching him. Which is why asked him to ally with me to sort him.
I presented my case in Creature day 2 and nobody bought it, since then I haven't seen anything scummy from him. So what is gonna change it today? Nothing. So im not just gonna sit here and shout Lynch creature that is not an effective way to get anyone lynched.

what is your read on Kraska?

I have a town read on her.
Something nc said in the PT and kraska scum game is more lurky with very little reason for scum reads.

Almost50 wrote a case on creature, what did you think?

[Reasonably Rational]

Shadow seemed town last page

@Titus:I didn't put any time into the game last night really, and your points require actual thought to digest. I'm at work now so I still can't really evaluate it, but two things jumped out at me: First, I'm confused by you simultaneously calling MOI someone with a playstyle which you would expect from a member of the scum team (the so called tactician) while calling him town and not providing your other suspects for that role, and second...the assumption of guilt on the part of skybird for mechanical reasons seems short-sighted. Given that steven is a third party, there is an elegance to there being both a scum slot and a town slot given access to the slot, but there's obvious problems with the fact that such would be a near duplication of circumstances in the first SU, as well as the fact that skybird as town dosent actually have any mechanical arguments against it...it's just that there is an elegance argument in favor of scum+town access to steven.

Also...umm. you mentioned both a third party infiltrator of sorts, and a tactician....and considered MOI for one of those roles...but not the other. Why?

-Cerb

[Shiro]

They became stevonie.

Connie cannot be a fake claim, it makes no sense at all people.

Why are people arguying this like at all?

[Yume]

Uh, Skybird and I are Stevonnie.....

[Shiro]

Uh, Skybird and I are Stevonnie.....

That is what I am saying

Connie cannot be s fake claim. Sky is almost mod confirm.ed town

[kraskaesque]

someone vig rm thanks

[kraskaesque]

Sorry phone posting, I meant point 2. Not last two points.

your post still doesnt mean anything, youre suggesting i somehow net by not bringing that up before(well i thought i did) when i dont

[Varsoon]

One person hadn't shown up for the Beach-A-Palooza, however. Steven was hoping to see Amethyst somewhere, but when the entire event was over and she was nowhere to be found, he began to worry. When he told the other gems, Pearl looked ashamed and Garnet came out with the news, "Steven, Amethyst went back to investigate the Kindergarten. We didn't want to tell you and ruin Beach-A-Palooza for you. She's... been bubbled in the temple for awhile now."

Steven gasped, tears forming at his cheeks. "She's going to reform, right? She'll be back, right?"

Pearl looked away and Garnet shook her head, offering what condolences she could, "We don't know right now."

Wiping back his tears, Steven resolved to figure out what was behind the creatures that had attacked. He would have to be strong, not just for Amethyst, but also for the Crystal Gems and for all of Beach City and, if what Ruby said was true, all of Earth as well.

Klingoncelt's role-information has been revealed:
She was Amethyst, aligned with

The Crystal Gems

.

Due to this, the stress has increased by 1.

Spoiler: Amethyst's role functions as follows:

Amethyst, A Gem Fighting For Freedom
You think that all you are is who you could be, but we don't hang out with you because of who you could be. We like you.
You are aligned with The Crystal Gems. You are a Gem.
Yeah, this plan stinks. [The mechanical effects of this ability have been redacted.] This time let's build a moat. I could be THE CROCODILE! [The mechanical effects of this ability have been redacted.] Yep! That's me! Always huge, never small, all the- all the time since I was made! You will always yield an 'Enemy of Earth' result to any investigation of your alignment. Furthermore, you yield a 'no result' to any player who attempts to yield any other sorts of information by targeting you. Homegirl knows we're gonna beat her into a green pancake. You gain access to the following abilities if you are in an Alliance: Any player you are voting for may not affect you with their Climax actions. You may vote for up to three players at once. If the stress is at +3 or higher, you may vote for up to four players at once. This does not allow for multiple lynches. If you're ever only voting for one player, your vote counts as two votes. Hey, Garnet! How'd you like to mix it up with this? [The mechanical effects of this ability have been redacted.] You wanted me to be more like Pearl and now I am! [The mechanical effects of this ability have been redacted.] Don't bother putting your socks back on, 'cus I'm abouta knock 'em off again! [The mechanical effects of this ability have been redacted.] EVENT: Knock it off. I know you let me win. EPISODE EVENT: Exposition Only--Activate during the Climax Phase. PRIORITY: 2 REQUIREMENTS: +2 Stress or Higher. Tied to the Flavor of the episode "Steven vs Amethyst." Choose a player. For the duration of the Exposition, only you and the target player may be voted for. The only players that may hammer are you and your target. If the Exposition ends on a no lynch, reduce the Stress by 3. If the Exposition ends on a lynch, the stress does not go down if the lynch flips town-aligned. Oh, good... You didn't need me at all. You are aligned with The Crystal Gems . [The nature of this win-condition has been redacted.]

[Varsoon]

"I'm back to kidnap you!
What, it's been long enough that we can joke about it, right?"

-Amethyst

"It's only been, like, an hour."

-Steven,

Catch and Release

VOTECOUNT 3.07

Farside22 (8):

Titus, SnarkySnowman, MagnaofIllusion, TheWayItEnds, DrippingGoofball, Skybird, Yume, Xkfyu

DrippingGoofball (6):

Shiro, Thefuzzylogic99, Not Chara, McMenno, Creature, Farside22

Kraskaesque (3):

mastin2, grapes, Shadow_Step

Shadow_Step (2):

Kraskaeaque, Firebringer

Creature (1):

Almost50

Not Voting (2):

Reasonably Rational, randomidget

With 22 Alive, it takes 12 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-13 05:20:00)

The Current Stress is +1:

Farside22 is V/LA until Friday, 10/07/2016.
Not Chara is V/LA until Saturday, 10/08/2016
MagnaofIllusion is V/LA until Monday, 10/10/2016

[Yume]

Well, now you know she ain't Jasper.

[McMenno]

so apparently they have fusion effects or something

[kraskaesque]

Also from what I know of foxbird after playing a game with her is that she rarely has good content and reads. So that point is really like scraping the barrel.

lemme point out how weird and unnecessary this post is
why did you feel the need to post this crap, shadow, when your reads have been pretty much in-sync with hers? you both say me and xk are scum. and i dont recall you townreading snarky so youre not at odds on that one either

[Titus]

@Yume, did the mod say that you are Stevonnie or just that you fused with Skybird?

@RR, I suspect MoI as possible as the tactician. It's a mindset. The tactician is someone actively following along with mechanics and roles to suggest actions to the scumteam. I don't think he is but he does fit the profile. So for I (but I am town). So do you. Putting the tactician separate is merely indicative that my other reads don't include that necessary component.

[MagnaofIllusion]

@Snarky

- there's your flip. Explain in detail how it solidified DGB as Town or Scum.

[Reasonably Rational]

Yume. Gonna need an answer to this.

What were the redacted parts of klingon's role? You only said win condition wouldn't show up, and the fact that more did only strengthens my suspicion that you caused those parts to be redacted.

@Varsoon: the rules say stress increases with any non-scum deatb, which implies third party flips would result in a stress increase.. Please confirm that the stress was not meant to change.

-Cerb

[mastin2]

she didn't use her vote steal in a scummy way at all. Klingon regained her vote, so clearly she was capable of NOT stealing it/not revealing she could steal it...but all she did was take it early game and see who noticed the extra vote, claimed it, and then gave it back.
Why expose what is basically an I win card late game if she didn't have to? I mean sure, it's quite possibly lylo limited, but considering it requires someone ally with her, it could easily not be because it requires she be townread enough to get someone to ally with her in that situation.

Well for a start: DGB is not a scum mastermind. Her main strength as scum lays in players underestimating her. (Same for her towngame, just different alignments. She relies on scum underestimating her.) She knows how to make a few smart kills here and there (e.g. policy-killing kuribo because he has perfect accuracy in reading her), but otherwise, she's not going to deal with all the role mechanics in the game and create some foolproof winning plan. She's the type of person who uses chaos and confusion to drive the game forward as both alignments: as town she uses it to see what sticks, and as scum she uses it to obfuscate stupidity and insanity and muddy the waters. There's a reason that Serene is one of the most infamous hydras of all time, and it's because she and kuribo have a vaguely similar approach to the game.

Unfortunately, while I know all of the above to be true (more or less), and have that profile on her, I'm unable to properly filter her posts this game to determine which approach she is furthering. The two are nearly identical on the surface level. You have to have a lot of experience with her to tell the difference, and I honestly lack that.

Also, any and all voting powers are explicitly, as per the mod, disabled in lylo.

(Also, Yume told me I was wrong, so yeah, no concern there about the flip. Also also, you're quite correct on kraska.)

[Reasonably Rational]

You could also give me a good reason why that information was redacted rather than sharing it all.

-Cerb

[Yume]

Goodbye





@Titus Neither.

[Yume]

Oh, those are just the effects or her alliance powers when aligned with other gems, and Varsoon redacted them, not any of my powers. You have my word on that.

[Shiro]

Redacted 2:The flip strikes back

[MagnaofIllusion]

Yume. Gonna need an answer to this.

What were the redacted parts of klingon's role? You only said win condition wouldn't show up, and the fact that more did only strengthens my suspicion that you caused those parts to be redacted.

@Varsoon: the rules say stress increases with any non-scum deatb, which implies third party flips would result in a stress increase.. Please confirm that the stress was not meant to change.

-Cerb

Yeah I'm coming to the conclusion that RR might well be scum.